SURPRISE: This is why you should (NOT) use META SETUPS in ACC! | Ultimate Comparison

[@BewareSA]

Thank you for showing me that your setups are the way to go. Thank uou for posting your setups for the rookies. Really appreciate your time and effort.

[@BewareSA]

Love the lambo evo 2 setups from you so will be looking out for those.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thanks a million, I am glad that you like it! I was a bit scared of the fact that those setups still work that well. Especially on a track like Barcelona that wants to kill your tires... There is barely a difference, but I believe the more consistent wear gives you a slight advantage using conventional setups. For me personally, it is more fun to actually test things while creating a setup, so I will keep doing them the "normal" way - you can easily convert them into a meta setup though.

[@BewareSA]

@@Fri3d0lf see the reason i use you is that your old setups still work throughout all the updates. Being on console showing the setups page by page also helps. Will really keep on using yours for sure and watch the fill video on how you driving the track also helps me as a rookie

[@Fri3d0lf]

Great, thank you so much for your support! That is a good aspect you mentioned there. As long as they do not turn the physics inside out, the conventional setups should always potentially work well.

[@timonriemann295]

​@@Fri3d0lf Was hältst du eigentlich von E Sport setups wie z.B. die von Rennwelten?

[@gunja1st]

Ok, first of all thank you, then thank you and then thank you again. I recently subscribed and downloaded setups from this channel. I love all of them. You seem to be a community gem. And lastly, I wish you very successful new year. Thank you.

[@Fri3d0lf]

I can only repeat: Thank you! I really appreciate the support!

[@AlistairMcKinley]

Vielen Dank für den Vergleich! Ich bin kein sonderlich schneller Fahrer, aber was einem Kumpel von mir und mir am meisten an den "Meta-Setups" gefällt, ist, dass sich das Fahrzeug so gutmütig verhält. Und das sorgt wiederum dafür, dass wir konstanter fahren können. Das ist (zumindest für ihn und mich) der größte Nutzen dieser Setups.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Hallo, gerne! Verständlich, denn die Meta-Setups sind sehr schnell erstellt und hinsichtlich der Fahrbarkeit sehr gut. Allerdings lässt sich - wenn vielleicht auch mit etwas mehr Aufwand - auch ein konventionelles Setup gutmütig gestalten.

[@AlistairMcKinley]

@@Fri3d0lf Auf jeden Fall! Nochmals vielen Dank!

[@drepssint]

Awesome job and I 100 percent agree conventional setup are the way to go. Yes the meta setups are “arrive and drive” especially to to me for qualifying or hot lap but for long term not the case. Actually you will perform better with conventional setups. As always thank you for your hard working and dedication. Setups are always top notch!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much for your support!

[@Steve-514]

I've used your set ups on 1.8 for the 720 and on 1.9 for the 720evo. The meta set ups are a good starting point but but your set ups need little to no change and are easy to drive for regular drivers like myself.... Keep up the good work thanks

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much!

[@faultycpu]

Hey mate, I want to thank you for the effort you put in. After watching you Monza BMW video I was able to drop my time by 4sec. Now my trying to break the 1:50 mark, but I guess it’s just practice now. Thanks a lot!!!!!!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Hello, awesome! It is always about practice which is most important. Keep it up!

[@faultycpu]

@@Fri3d0lfbroke the 1:50, with a 1:49.612. But I feel my gear can’t take me any further. Thanks for the help mate!

[@cypcyphurra8755]

The hero we all need. Damn, your channel should get way more attention. Thx!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thanks a million for your kind support!

[@999Souls]

your work is incredible, I always use your setups, by far the best :)

[@999Souls]

What about the zero TC thing, is it a real advantage or just a trend?

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much! 🙂 I will also drop a video about TC off in the future, that is already on my list to take a deeper look at. If you can handle the low traction, TC off has an advantage though for sure!

[@xUnfx]

Your setups never fails, nothing more is needed!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much!

[@jaysysumakaRatMaster3]

I always use the meta setup as a base for setting the car up initially but I never use max toe settings. I generally always use -2.0 on the front and 0.0 on the rear. Dampers I always max out the fast bump and rebound… lower the bump and rebound. I’ll usually always soften the rear fast bump and rebound in equal measure. Suspension is usually always 2 clicks on the front and fully soft at the rear for most cars. The biggest setup focus should always be on ride height… mainly rear… and rear wing. Great video 👍🏼

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you! Sure, there are so many things that work well in ACC regardless of realism.

[@kpeleent]

you forgot to mention that in meta setups nowadays people use 0 tc on many cars (especially on the lambo) on many tracks, which makes it more difficult to drive, but also even faster. still, if you compare a meta setup to a good realistic setup, the difference is 99% the person sitting in the seat. for me, who isn't very good (mostly 2 seconds of esport pace at minimum) the meta setups are still more comfortable to drive, cause of the inherent understeer in normal setups. but that's just a preference thing. all that aside, we all should really appreciate the work you are doing, giving all setups and advice away for free.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much! I have had the idea of doing a separate video taking a deeper look at driving with TC off. That gains you quite some lap time as long as you can handle it. Considering understeer in conventional setups, that can also be eliminated though. Of course, the negative toe gives you a slightly sharper turn-in in general.

[@G-_-haat]

How to get rid off understeer?

[@Fri3d0lf]

Understeer in general or what exactly do you refer to?

[@G-_-haat]

Yes, what do i change in setup to make car les understeer. And a bit more oversteer

[@Fri3d0lf]

I have made a simple setup guide that shows which direction changing a setup value makes the car tend to understeer or oversteer. Feel free to take a look at that video which was recently uploaded. There are several things you can potentially do!

[@JonRacesCars]

As a tuner I love nothing more than speeding hours at a track and analyzing Motec data. However, proper setups take time and knowledge. Often two things a non-professional racer does not have. Rather than learning about dampers and spring rates and how they interact with a meta setup you can adjust balance with ride height and rear aero then adjust tire temperature to be in the grip window. It's the simplicity and quickly being competitive that they are used.

[@Fri3d0lf]

I could not have summarized it better! 👏 Alternstively you can use (free) available setups though as well! 🙂

[@dylanmonahan5909]

I'm a bit late to comment, but thanks for this analysis. I actually thought the meta setup would do worse, but that's testiment to your highly consistent good driving. In my experience meta setups are only easier to control on flat surfaces and as soon as something goes wrong/you start to lose control or go off track, the meta setup is much harder to bring back under control. They tend to use max front ARB and min rear ARB, which I think is a part of that problem too. Excellent content, mate 👍🏻

[@Fri3d0lf]

Agreed, thank you very much!

[@dylanmonahan5909]

@@Fri3d0lf Oh, I wanted to ask... How would you set up the NSX evo for Donington (1.9+)? Do you use negative Rear toe for tracks like this? 🍻

[@tuliturazvan7880]

For la last 7 months i exclusevly use your race Porsche gt3 setups 🤗since it's the only car i drive, i really love them! , and i want to thank you for that. Tyre wear is so much better....i allways get them on the last 5 min of the race....good consistency. They still work the best for me even in 1.9.5 Would love to see your updated future ones. Thanks again for sharing , making my races enjoyable❤🤗💪

[@Fri3d0lf]

Awesome, thank you very much! I really appreciate it! Hopefully they will not turn the physics upside down again which means that the available setups will still work the same. Up until now, nothing really changed from the beginning of 1.9, so no worries.

[@МихаилЩелкунов-у1к]

Super true. I am like a biginner and don't have even a dd wheel yet. And even yours set up for Ferrari in Barcelona was super sliding. My friend made one really stable and I was able to drive it 43.8, compared to yours best been 44.3. So, even if something has more potentian, always better to use one convinient for yourself.

[@Fri3d0lf]

That is completely true!

[@razek007]

2min - Meta setup VS grinding 2 to 3 hours (or even more) - conventional setup = basically no difference in performance. Thanks for the video!! As a casual player (also on console), I like Meta setups' simplicity, fast to apply, and competitiveness they offer. We don't have Motec or any telemetry to adjust the setup with precision.

[@Fri3d0lf]

That is an interesting aspect for sure! I neither use telemetry software to create the setups. Further, thanks to always similar setting tendencies, it does not take that long. Another approach can be to covert setups like mine into a meta setup if they potentially do not fit your driving. However, it was an interesting experiment as I was not aware of such a close result and still such small differences now in version 1.9 that I have hoped things would change more drastically.

[@razek007]

@@Fri3d0lf I´ve tried your setups before, they are awesome. Got almost 1.47s at Monza with it. Just a few adjustments (wing, height, TC) to fit my driving style. But Metas are easier because you can apply them on every track and for every car. To just join an open lobby and have fun they are an easy pick. If they patch it, I´ll go back to your channel and copy the setups... lol

[@TomTheSurgen1]

I have done a whole yeah in meta GoSetups. Fast but the front of the Lambo feels terrible on turn in a one thing I’ve noticed is the tyres take one time to get up to temp on super soft suspension and while they are getting up to temp the meta setup is super sketchy to keep on track at sensible pace

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thanks for sharing your opinion! There is no need to use meta setups I believe, but it is just easier get the setups done and obviously a shame to sell those.

[@mariansamol5034]

Very good Video, well thougt trough. The benefits and disadvateges of the two setups became really clear. I heard that one could still use the meta Setup but without the excessive toe settings. Jardier made a Video on that. Excessive toe does not work anymore since the 1.9 Update. Anything else does... he stated. I would be interestet in the same compairson. Only difference is that you use more "conventional" toe settings for the Meta Setup

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you! The only difference would be that you will have slightly less temperature on the inside of the tire using less excessive toe. One might run less negative toe at the rear now in version 1.9, but even the maximum still works considering my "experiment". Everyone handles it a bit differntly in general though from what I know.

[@mariansamol5034]

@@Fri3d0lf Yeah true. My assumption is that one would have better mechanical Grip in slow sections and less "sliding" but also less turn in at fast Corners. So youd also have to Change sth. like Areo/Rake or Mechanical Grip settings to a more oversteery value to "compensate" the Fast corner understeer. I assume the "compromise" Setup will be fastet in Race Trim ( maybe even quali ). I do have roughly 2000h in the Game and always did my setups the complicated motech way. Expecially focussing on getting good Damper curves ( cause that made the car extremely "predictable" to Drive ). I havent really been "active/involved" in acc since 1,5 Years... Now it seems possible to make a fast Setup within like 1~2h of testing and basically no use of telemetry. I always have put extreme effort in my setups. So usually for a good setup i would need around 10~20h of "work". Seeing These "simplistic" Meta setups work as goof as super "complex" setups... idk... it actually leaves a Lump in my throat to be honest. Why would i invest all the Hours if i could go for a meta Setup of the same Pace.... I always "enjoyed" that the hard work and understanding of motech and car Physics pays off... but now... my granny can create a fast Setup 🤣

[@Fri3d0lf]

That is an unfortunate truth. All those setup issues cast a damning light on ACC. I am not sure if they were not able to fix it with the 1.9 update or if they just ignored it, but that probably was the last hope I had. Considering the functionality of those setup, anyone can create them and also sell them... I have not used MoTec to check the dampers for ages, but go by feel. It seems like any damper settings kind of work well as there is something wrong with dampers in ACC. This makes MoTeC kind of useless.

[@mariansamol5034]

@@Fri3d0lf Jardier made a Meta Setup Video. Just search for that. He uses 0 0 Max Max on All dampers. Trust me.. this did not work 2 Years ago... now it does. Im currently testing around myself. Took the Ferrari 296 at Spa, copied a Meta Setup from youtube, made some adjustmemts. Drove like 1h and im Down to a 2:16:6 With more practice a low 16 is possible. I did not even Do the Lap on the Ingame quali Mode. Just a normal server

[@crisbivolaru819]

I am so happy that you did this comparison I was slowly losing interest in ACC knowing that setups where only meta now I will keep trying and improving my setups

[@Fri3d0lf]

It is always the best to have some setup knowledge in order to improve setups on your own driving!

[@lobo13skanda]

This guy is GOD, thanks a lot for tour setups❤

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much! 🙂

[@TomTheSurgen1]

I always use your setups when I can and if you don’t have one, I will go meta for easy setup. I used your base setup for Audi GT2 today and barely made a change. New car and not raced redbull for years and could get sub 1:30 in 15 laps.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Great, I am glad that it worked well for you. That is also a good approach.

[@ThePsycho211]

Well, it really depends on the track, car and driver. Unfortunately a comparasion like that doesnt give a full picture. For example - you are used to your setups that are completely different from meta setups. Meta setups are meant for the pros, to get last bits of performance. My short opinion? Try both setups, sometimes I find your setups faster, sometimes the meta setup is faster.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Perfectly fine, I have nothing really proved that goes against meta setups. It is just that conventional setups appear to be at least as good and sadly the meta setups do not kill the tires yet even though that kind of was an aspect to be improved with 1.9. Hence I took an extreme track with Barcelona which makes it even more evident. Why would the meta setup I have used here be different from other meta setups though? Apparently, I have driven both with the same amount of time invested (20min) to get a lap done.

[@ThePsycho211]

@@Fri3d0lf What I meant is that your setups are completely different in terms of feeling from meta setups. Yours are stable and meant to keep the car on the track, while meta are often unstable just to be able to get perfomance. Also, I think that tyre wear is not a problem because you drove too short races. If you drove 1h stint I think with the meta setup you used the difference would actually huge(and in hot conditions like 30+ air the difference would be even bigger). Also I think meta setups dont use negative rear toe anymore, and thats what could potentially slow you down a bit and wear tyres a lot.

[@Fri3d0lf]

I believe that we must differ (rather unstable) esports setups from meta setups in general. You can also get a conventional setup to be unstable / likely to rotate a lot. I highly doubt that it would have made a big difference going for a longer stint, at least not the difference I was expecting. I mean, there is like no difference at all even though Barcelona is harsh on tires and full negative toe at the rear is not common anymore. The only thing is that the inside wears slightly more which can lead to a worse driving behavior throughout a stint. Higher air and track temperatures would have also not really changed the outcome supposedly. There is no way to really have an impact on tire wear and temperatures setup wise other than opening the brake ducts and of course driving less aggressive. However, the balance was really good with the meta setup as mentioned in the video. Quite the contrary, the tires did not wear a lot which is the most interesting perception...

[@Car3stash]

nice video! Personally, my only problem is getting the dampers setup correctly when it comes to building a conventional setup. very hard, actually impossible, without Motec. Also, the soft settings on the "meta" setups must be helping the tire wear logically speaking. They also help with the kerbs. I'm right now testing the GTR for Suzuka, having more than 2 clicks on the first spring rate makes the car very sketchy if I want to take the inside kerb two corners before the bridge 🤔

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you! The dampers seem to be buggy in ACC. I do not use MoTeC though, but always set them by feel.

[@snippidippi]

fri3dolf can you create good setups for misano for the porsche? there is none out there on the tube

[@Fri3d0lf]

I have stopped with the Porsche to get a new car in, but you might just use the setup from Watkins Glen. That is the one I would suggest the most for Misano probably.

[@snippidippi]

@Fri3d0lf can I just copy that file into the misano file and it works? Or do i need to manually copy it from game? Thanks for suggesting

[@Fri3d0lf]

You can copy whatever setup (.json) file in whatever setup folder. There is no connection to the track where the setup has been created.

[@alessioanzalone9759]

Thanks for your work... It is a very well made simracing channel...😉

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much, I really appreciate it! 🙂

[@nhdiablo5197]

Super Video mal wieder mach weiter so danke dafür

[@Fri3d0lf]

Herzlichen Dank!

[@voodoo728]

I agree with your conclusions, META setups are not the most efficient setups possible, but they are a really good approximation to it while requiring little to no setup effort. ACC doesn't really "punish" unbalanced setups with excessive tyre wear or jacking-down effect so those min-maxed values are still somehow usable. When a friend (who created Racing Sim Tools app for simracing telemetry) introduced me to setup knowledge, he told me that it's possible to reach 80% of an optimal setup with 20% of the effort, but I would say that in the current status of ACC physics we're on 90% of optimum for a 10% effort in case of Meta setups.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Completely true and approved!

[@joshua_dragongame]

Kannst du ein Setup Guide für Stossdämpfer machen?

[@Fri3d0lf]

Für Stoßdämpfer benötigt es üblicherweise separate Software wie MoTeC. In ACC sind die Stoßdämpfer allerdings etwas irreführend und MoTeC aktuell leider nicht mehr wirklich hilfreich. So funktionieren zum Beispiel die in diesem Video vorgeführt Einstellungen... Ich persönlich stelle die Stoßdämpfer nur noch nach Gefühl ein, da schlussendlich sowieso maßlos viele Kombinationen funktionieren. Für die Theorie bezüglich der Erklärung der verschiedenen Einstellmöglichkeiten bin ich leider der falsche Ansprechpartner - davon habe ich nämlich ehrlicherweise keine Ahnung.

[@keitaauto]

Love using your setups man....but bring back the Porsche 992 setups bro!!!!! Thanks for your work

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much! As nearly all tracks are covered up, I have stopped doing setups for the Porsche (and the BMW) to switch to other cars.

[@n4z944]

Excellent!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much!

[@n4z944]

@@Fri3d0lf it's normal. I hate this "meta's" => full/empty/full/empty/full... It's to easy!

[@MasterCamus]

How your graphics look so smooth. Mine is all ultra and it's a bit jagged

[@Fri3d0lf]

It might be that way as you have set everything on ultra? It also really depends on how many cars are on the track. I have made a video about all my ACC settings, including the graphics. You can also download my presets there. However, I do not have the best hardware using a NVIDIA 2070S combined with a AMD Ryzen 7 3700X. The settings are fine though, even when I use the "Kamera" preset for recording the replay.

[@fiegt]

I found that with the honda evo for example, monza works great with your conv setup and zolder works great with the meta setup. For me at least. So now I'm tryong to understand suspension and dampers to see why it's the case but.. Everything O found, is difficult to understand.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Of course, they work well on every track. There is no need to understand anything in the current state of ACC.

[@fiegt]

How do you know to increase or decrease bumpstops, wheel rates and dampers? Is it by motec or just by feeling and testing it out and then finding a good and quick balance?

[@Fri3d0lf]

I go by feeling exclusively.

[@hanswurstxD]

Thanks 😀 good video 👍🏼

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thanks a lot! 🙂

[@Christian-kg6uc]

what is conventional? is that by feeling and changing until it suits you drive style?

[@Fri3d0lf]

You can say so! Or also call it "normal" setups that do not really use excessive values.

[@kimlodrodawa123]

Danke schön! 🙏

[@Fri3d0lf]

Sehr gerne! 🙂

[@Gwayneeee]

This is exactly what I commented the other day the difference between my Hymo or Go setups to a KZbin setup like yours in my own driving is only a very few tenths off in comparison squeezing it to the limit, I also agree conventional setups are much better for races and special for beginners drivers to get a right feel of it, I still use a lot of “meta” setups but mainly because it is driving on edge which is the way I like to drive.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thanks for your comment! I believe you cannot necessarily use meta setups as a synonym for "aggressive/on the edge" though. An aggressive driving behavior can also be reached with a conventional setup whereas on the other hand a meta setup can be made really safe.

[@Gwayneeee]

@@Fri3d0lf yes I agree with that too, your explanation throughout the video was executed well done like I’ve said before I share the same opinion

[@Fri3d0lf]

No worries, this experiment was meant to be all the way unprejudiced and neutral. I did not know about the outcome as I have not used the meta setups so far in version 1.9 and I think it is quite surprisingly.

[@Gwayneeee]

@@Fri3d0lf My personal experience with 1.9 is that the meta setups behave slightly different than in previous versions but now is less about the setup and more about the TC changes during a lap that is my opinion

[@Fri3d0lf]

TC off is the way to go! 🙂 I will take a deeper look at that topic as well.

[@kevinhadj82]

I feel though the Huracan is maybe not the best car to demonstrate that, it is very gentle on the tyres. You would get way more extreme result with the 296 or the 720evo. Worse, trying all low values like that on bump/suspension stiffness would make the 992 undrivable. Meta setups are good for going fast on short burst i.e. they are perfect for qualifying, but if you want to do any meaningful racing you are better off trying to work on the setup a bit or use ones like yours.

[@Fri3d0lf]

That is exactly why I have used the Lamborghini to get a fair comparison. Considering that there were barely differences in tire wear and temperatures, I would not expect anything else for cars that are less gentle on tires. The Porsche e.g. kills the rear tires, but it does so no matter what kind of setup you use. I have made the experience that you cannot really affect tire wear and temperatures setup wise at all. Hence it is about driving more calm to treat the tires with care.

[@WTFDust]

TIL Du nutzt kein Motec und trotzdem stabile und flotte Setups Macht mir Mut meine eigenen Setups mit Hilfe von Motec zu erstellen, ohne den Drang zu haben nach Meta-Setups zu greifen Hatte immer das Gefühl das die gekauften Setups mehr aus dem Fahrzeug rausholen 😅

[@Fri3d0lf]

Nein, ich erstelle die Setups nach Gefühl. Wenn man sich etwas mit der Thematik beschäftigt, kann man die Setups selbst erstellen bzw. vorhandene auf den eigenen Fahrstil optimieren. Jedem das Seine, aber gekaufte Setups sind nicht zwingend das Maß aller Dinge und in diese fließt seit langem mit Sicherheit kaum noch Aufwand rein. Die Spur negativ stellen, weiche Federung anwenden und die Dämpfer immer nach dem gleichen Muster einstellen - das sollte jeder selbst hinbekommen. Natürlich sind aber nicht alle Kaufsetups nach diesem Muster erstellt.

[@WTFDust]

@@Fri3d0lfJa, habe ich auch gemerkt, dass die alle relativ ähnlich sind ( habe zu viel Geld für Setups ausgegeben) Habe mal paar Setups jetzt selbst erstellt für Kya und Val und neue Bestzeiten mit dem Mercedes gefahren 🎉 Hätte nie eigene Setups ausprobiert, hättest du das Video nicht gepostet ❤

[@KeinName73]

Bei mir überhitzt das rechte Voerderad beim Ferrari immer egal wie niedrig ich den Reifendruck stelle. Hast du vlt irgendwelche Setup Tipps?

[@Fri3d0lf]

Auf welcher Strecke denn? Die meisten Strecken sind im Uhrzeigersinn, wobei die linken Reifen mehr belastet werden und überhitzen. Grundsätzlich sollte man hierfür tendenziell höher Drücke fahren, also das Gegenteil von dem, was du vermutlich tust. Ansonsten lassen sich der Reifenverschleiß und die Temperaturentwicklung leider nicht nennenswert durch das Setup beeinflussen.

[@KeinName73]

@@Fri3d0lf ja meistens auf den Strecken im Uhrzeigersinn. Danke für den Tipp

[@lukebraddford3287]

wow what a video!!!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you!

[@ferdiistanbul4268]

da hat ACC richtig mist gebaut , das ding ist ja man kann die meta setup fast für alle autos benutzen , was total unrealistisch ist . habe ein stream von jardier geschaut ,der hat von aston das setup gezeigt ,das ist ja ein "no GO" das man so fahren kann . Ich feier deine setup ,und schätze deine Arbeit und die Zeit die da reinsteckst , Danke Dafür !!!!!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Ja, lieder lässt es dir Spielphysik zu und es scheint so, als wäre diese Problematik nicht vermeidbar. Wie dem auch sei, vielen Dank!

[@lukeaddison96]

Nobody uses -0.4 toe on rears but META setups are a thing indeed.

[@Fri3d0lf]

I am not sure about that, but even worse that it has no affect on tire wear. Apparently you can still use it though.

[@lukeaddison96]

@@Fri3d0lf as far as I know go HYMO myself CDA don’t even use -0.40 rear toe as it kills tyres more than before

[@Fri3d0lf]

Unfortunately it is not mentionable though which should have been the case with the version 1.9 update. I feel like we will not get rid of using those overall excessive values which is a shame for the sim stated ACC.

[@snippidippi]

Your setups have made me able to manage the porsche, using all your 1.9.1 setups and maining the porsche in lfm. Could barely drive it before but now in cuttings seconds and learning tracks. Meta setup didnt work at all for me on porsche, extremely nervously behavior and such. Meta worked fine with some cars and some tracks but going 100% meta will not work!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Amazing, thanks for sharing your experiences!

[@69mpaunov]

today, few hours before I watched this video I tried meta setup on Suzuka with Aston. Before that I tried your setup for Aston, Meta was very bad in the last chicane over curbs. It was unusable. With your setup Aston didn't have any problem over curbs.

[@Fri3d0lf]

That might happen as the car unsettles being too soft or that the dampers just do not do it I believe. I am glad though that it was fine using the rather normal setup!

[@JWacker667]

full negative toe is not meta anymore as far as I know. People are running quite low negative toe values to increase tyre life in race settings.

[@Fri3d0lf]

I am aware that maximum negative toe at the rear is no longer the common way to go. Even though, I believe that it is still used in qualifying sessions. However, the result is clear. It shows that even the maximum negative toe barely has an impact on tire wear and temperatures. There is nothing you can really do setup wise in order to conserve the tires and on the other hand there seems to be nothing that actually kills them...

[@saagz11]

Tbf when jardier was explaining the meta setups for 1.9.5 he did say going full negative toe is no longer the way. It does use very soft suspension settings. I find it to be more stable that way. Personally I find your setups a bit too oversteery for me, but that's because of my driving style. If I was a better driver it might be different😂

[@Fri3d0lf]

There is no clear definition of what would be the way to go. I believe maximum negative toe is still taken into account for qualifying sessions. However, this experiment sort of proved that even maximum negative toe does not really harm the tires. You can adjust setups to your driving with a few simple tweaks. A meta setup is not the safer alternative automatically. Anyway, you can use whatever you feel most comfortable with.

[@recarsion]

Full toe was no longer meta at the time this video was made especially on the rear, nobody is using it like this. People are running all kinds of toe values now, negative on the front, it can be anywhere from low to high but rarely max, and typically zero or even slightly positive on the rear. I find meta settings a good starting point for every track with minor adjustments. For a track with many high speed corners like Catalunya I'd surely go for less bumpstop range and a bit of wheelrate. While for a track with many bumps I'll go more bumpstop range especially on the rear and possibly up the bumpstop rate as well so it's a bit more forgiving when I do hit the bumpstop, and of course look at the fast dampers as well. ARBs are always worth playing around with as well. The one meta setting I always avoid is TC 0.

[@Fri3d0lf]

I still see people using it in the current state of the game... Using negative toe at the rear, but not maximum negative toe does not change the intention of the video though as it is not all about that particular setting, but in fact an interaction with springs and dampers. In the end, it worked well and this still seems to be the case. Thanks for sharing your point of view!

[@recarsion]

@@Fri3d0lf I didn't mean to invalidate the video, sorry that it came across like that! Just pointing it out so people who want to experiment with this don't use excessive negative toe for no reason.

[@Fri3d0lf]

No worries, I have not considered it that way!

[@michaelh.94]

I am new in acc so I want to learn a lot setups ect

[@Fri3d0lf]

That is always a good idea! Feel free to check out my recently uploaded setup guide (if you have not done so already) which simplifies the affect of each setting considering understeer and oversteer.

[@tyron_rx]

I think using conv setup or meta setup dépend to driving of everybody at first i used your setup and they were Quick but then i tried meta setup and for me they were Quicker but actually my friend use your setup as a base and tune it a Little but because a driver is not an another driver and for my driving meta setup are more stable

[@Fri3d0lf]

Alright, thanks for sharing your opinion. You can make a conventional setup safe as well though and a meta setup aggressive on the other hand. That is not a big deal applying some tweaks.

[@tyron_rx]

@@Fri3d0lf yeah exactly i am going to try soon a mix of it trying some (a lot) of laps to find the best of the best

[@utthecoolguy]

Thank you for this insightful video, however in my very short experience in ACC I tried your setups and some meta set and I always found your set to be more on the edge and they required a precise driving where as the meta set was more forgiving and I could drive it based of my feeling more and I was faster and consistent in them. I know there are various variables at play, but I’m just sharing my 2 cents.

[@Fri3d0lf]

A meta setup is not necessarily synonymous with an aggressive setup. On the other hand a conventional one is not necessarily safe, but it can be safe for sure. However, just use whatever you feel fine with as long as it works!

[@javiersua]

Now I understand why I can´t improve my 1:56 low on GTR at Paul Ricard even using the "min/max damper" meta setup. It is all a skill isue! 🤣Thanks for show me the path!

[@Fri3d0lf]

There is a wise comment below this video including the following information: "If you do it correctly, you're faster with meta and not just a bit, but by seconds faster." So you might have just not used the correct meta setup in order to hit a 1:51 I believe. Jokes aside, no matter what sort of setup you use, it will still be about driving and confidence! 🙂

[@alexanderp176]

It's very sad that Meta setups exist, however with Ferrari 296 I wasn't able to beat my Barcelona time using Meta setups. I created my custom setup instead. I hope it will be fixed in the next versions and there will no longer be a Meta setup. Simulation is a hard problem, takes years to solve it right.

[@Fri3d0lf]

They might not necessarily be the faster option anymore, I have also felt that way! Unfortunately this will not change though. This "problem" was supposed to be solved with 1.9, but it did not happen. I honestly do not expect Kunos to change the physics massively another time now that AC2 is on its way. We have literally had version 1.9.5 for something like 5-6 months now...

[@potatoeatersimracing6313]

danke!

[@Fri3d0lf]

Gerne!

[@mannoesgehtnix]

Did you use the same setup for the race? No meta setup uses those excessive toes in the race

[@Fri3d0lf]

The race setups are shown as well. I am aware of that, but if you have seen the results, it does not matter at all. Even though using the maximum negative toe it did not have an mentionable imoact on tire wear...

[@kratoz_858]

Meta for qualiy the conventional for race.

[@Luis7Vazquez7]

For me the one thing that does work is the dampers. Nils Naujok has said in a few videos that the dampers page is mostly fine tuning so I'm guessing that's why. Apart from that, I don't know how people can drive super soft suspensions and negative rear toe. The cars feel super saggy (best word I found to describe the feeling) and it feels like they take ages to react to the inputs

[@Fri3d0lf]

The dampers appear to be broken in ACC. I actually believe that most people favor those setups. Nevertheless, you should always go for whatever you feel comfortable with!

[@parowozikuwu6321]

so it turns out that i actually need to get good

[@Fri3d0lf]

Because of what?

[@parowozikuwu6321]

I'm grinding times on some tracks but I'm still 2-3 sec behind "pros". Thought this is setup diff but not really :D

[@nobodyimportant7380]

Fantastic video production, and great video. The results prove nothing, other than maybe a good consistent driver can produce very similar results regardless of setup. In the hands of a not so good driver the meta setup just MIGHT be more forgiving of their not so good driving habits/ability. The META in any game is nothing more than someone who has some ounce of skill finds a combination that works for them, so every moron sheep in the community simply follows blindly without understanding, in the FPS community there is the exact same thing, where whatever the top guy in a game uses, gets blindly replicated by the sheep.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you very much! Amazing conclusion, I definitely share your opinion! 🙂

[@DSebbel]

but we're not all pro drivers 😂🤣

[@Fri3d0lf]

Sure, neither am I which is not a problem. Having fun is most important. What do you refer to? 🙂

[@DSebbel]

@@Fri3d0lf war eher ironisch gemeint ;-) "sind wir nicht alle Pro Drivers", jeder sieht sich doch so 😅

[@Fri3d0lf]

Achso, ja... Dafür benötigt es an erster Stelle auch "Esports-Setups"! 😃

[@ma14.27]

You didn't use a Meta Setup for the current version of the game, the one you use is for the 1.8 version. A meta setup for 1.9 has -0.1 front toe and 0 in the back. The suspension should be one click above the lowest value and the dampers should not be in the most extreme but rather a little bit above the lowest for compression and below the highest for rebound. The TC should be 1 to 5 and ABS 2 to4, ECU at 1 and Aero to max. If you do it correctly, you're faster with meta and not just a bit, but by seconds faster.

[@Fri3d0lf]

Hell, who defines what a meta setup actually is? I am pretty sure many people run way more aggressive toe settings and I have also seen many setups using the softest springs. However, I am perfectly fine if those meta settings mentioned are the way to go for you. I am pretty sure you have got no clue about ECU though unfortunately as 1 is not the way to go for every car. Further it will never make you seconds faster... What are you even talking about?

[@ma14.27]

@@Fri3d0lf A meta tuning is defined by the people who use it. The general consensus is something like: a unrealistic tuning that is quick to make and competitive, in some games it exploits glitches. More aggressive toe angles in 1.9 usually just mean more slide and faster tire degradation. And yes, 1 is the setting to go. In all GT3 cars 1 is either the normal or highest fuel consumption setting. If you just want a quick setup and don't want to look up how the cars ECU works, then just use 1. All cars need different setups, the one I described was just the general starting point.

[@Fri3d0lf]

I am pretty sure that you did not even watch the video with the results given. However, according to your statement, the setup I have used is a meta setup. In this case, you have sort of disagreed your first comment. As for the mapping, the Porsche uses 5 to 8 for qualifying power. The Lamborghini has the same power from 1 to 5 offering more engine brake impact the higher it gets in that range. Generally, there are several valid maps for the highest power output only using a different power output. You should rather go for what is set in the aggressive preset going for a "quick setup"! Feel free to check the following link if in order to get some deeper knowledge about ECU maps: www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/ecu-maps-implementation.54472 This is shared by one of Kunos' developers officially. You forgot about TC off though in general. Maybe that is the key to get faster by seconds. I would actually set new world records following that logic - great! Jokes aside, I get what you mean. Nevertheless, you seem to be way too confident with those statements that are just not necessarily correct. If you want to criticize my approach testing a conventional setup compared to a meta setup - I hope it finally counts as one even though I forgot we are no longer in version 1.8 - then please do so having a fundamental background and having actually watched the video. Otherwise it is hard for me to get your intention! Thanks for impartial hints.

[@ma14.27]

@@Fri3d0lf Not sure but let's get into it... I wrote a comment with my vage opinion about a video that shows one car on one track with a meta tuning vs a conventional setup. You ask: "who defines what a meta setup actually is" I answered that question, you also did, in your video you wrote: "A meta setup uses excessive values such as (up to maximum) negative toe all around" this is a significant sign of a 1.8 meta setup. Those values don't make a significant difference when it comes to lap time, maybe it does for a certain driving style, but you might have problems with long races where tire degradation is important. In your hot stint you can even see the tires being warmer with meta, which is a direct result of the toe angle, ... which is also exactly what you wrote in your video, just too bad that excessive negative toe is not the meta for 1.9 anymore, so therefore you are comparing a conventional setup with something that is kind of meta but not really anymore. Anyway... You said: "many people run way more aggressive toe settings" I answered: "[that] means more slide and faster tire degradation" (like you said in your video) You assumed: "I am pretty sure you have got no clue about ECU" I clarified: "In all GT3 cars 1 is either the normal or highest fuel consumption setting" (which is true) Now you're assuming I didn't watch the video, from which 1min 30 secs is just footage of you driving, which I skipped. You could try assuming less things about people and asking genuine questions if you have any. The way you approached was just rude, with the first word literally being "Hell". But let's continue... You said: "according to your statement, the setup I have used is a meta setup" I never disagreed that, but hey maybe you didn't read my comment, I wrote: "You didn't use a Meta Setup for the current version of the game" Which is not to confuse with -> 'You didn't use a Meta Setup' -> I could've also said: You didn't use a >good< Meta Setup for the current version of the game, the one you used is >probably more effective< for the 1.8 version. - I never played the 1.8 enough to know how effective meta was back then. - Then you go on and explain to me basic ECU stuff and you said: "You should rather go for what is set in the aggressive preset" Sorry but the aggressive preset is pretty bad in for the 1.9 version, the ECU map is in many cars on a value that is not fast for hot stints or sprints. The aggressive setup is also not really close to the meta, so therefore it doesn't matter with what setup you decide to start a meta setup. One can obviously make amazing setups with Motec, but that needs a lot more time. In my original comment I wrote: "If you do it correctly, you're faster with meta and not just a bit, but by seconds faster.", which I meant, but let me state it a bit clearer: If you do it correctly, in a sense of adapting the basic meta setup to your likings, so that it is confidence inspiring and safe to drive based on the circumstances you're in (e.g. weather, track temperature, track, car,...), you're faster with meta and not just a bit, depending on the race it could be seconds. All in all you're video was interesting to watch, but you could've done more research about meta tuning and also compared different meta tuning approaches with each other to see which one is the best. The one you used was obviously not. That would've probably taken you much longer, and tbh who has that time anyway, if your non-meta setup works for you and you can be competitive with it, then I'm not criticizing that. But if you can't take a comment under one of your videos as an opinion of a person who's just strolling by to see if something interesting goes on here, and you have to make a whole thing out of it to win some kind of argument against someone, then... have a nice day I guess. Not sure, but it doesn't really seem like I'm the over confident one here. Many people have many different experiences with all kinds of tunings, if meta isn't worth it to you, then ok, but you don't seem to have much experience with meta setups, yes I'm assuming that. Next time you approach someone just don't assume things and also don't try to "win" an argument, we're all just here to learn and have a nice time.

[@Fri3d0lf]

There are still so many things presumed by you... I will not waste my time further though to illustrate every aspect. I do not care whatever setup anyone prefers and goes for, neither do I care about what a meta setups actually is from your perspective combining them with game versions. This was meant as a neutral and non-biased experiment with an interesting outcome that differs from what I have expected. I respect your opinion and there is nothing wrong with the message you wanted to spread. Have a nice day!

[@ddlyhm]

just another prove that setup in sims like acc is broken and has nothing to do with reality. every path people find some unrealistic tweaks that just work. just imagine how great it would be if setup be locked except some driving style things like wing, rake etc.

[@Fri3d0lf]

This is the most impactful negative aspect for ACC stated as a sim in my opinion. Unfortunately, they did not / could not fix it with version 1.9 what I really hoped for. This will most likely never be different again... For some series, locked setups would be a good way to start with for sure.

[@paulopreto6398]

show.......

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thanks mate!

[@marquezpradoluisjavier7754]

😺✌️

[@Fri3d0lf]

Should I see this as something positive? 🤔🙂

[@marquezpradoluisjavier7754]

@@Fri3d0lf meowwwww 😹😹😹, good video

[@Fri3d0lf]

Thank you! 🙂

[@nanoverse]

Meta is TC 0

[@Fri3d0lf]

*Esports is TC0

[@FRFM00]

Help me w this dead nsx I'll pay equal to hymo/go

[@Fri3d0lf]

Maybe just make it a meta setup? 🤔😅