Surrounded by Police for public street photography

[@therealmuckshiftersyoutube711]

these pricks with camaras just like antagonising people.Fucking weardos

[@NBMedia8928]

Filming on a public street is antagonistic is it?? Grow the fuck up

[@east-endjustice7883]

Little itchy Richie is hurt in its bum-bum again! Hahahahaha its ok Little itchy Richie, go back to your daddies lap and cry, nobody is making you watch or comment on content you have no interest in and don't support, so instead of hypocrisy, why don't you choose to do something else? If there was something wrong or dangerous about it, you rest assured it would be outlawed but since the government and businesses love to take footage of everyone, there is just nothing they can do about it.

[@michaeljones390]

It’s weirdos,not weirdos.

[@bamcc953]

@@NBMedia8928 Richard sounds like an idiot with no life.

[@diogenesesenna9323]

@@michaeljones390 Did you accidently spell weirdos correctly both times? 😊😊

[@brianrodney712]

" It is polite to ask members of the public if they mind being filmed " says the police officer. Does this apply to the cctv cameras of which there are tens of thousands ?

[@trustprojects]

Or police body cams...

[@alancross1987]

I wonder if they politely ask the drunk people if they mind being filmed when they make TV shows.

[@Renegade1127]

Maybe he meant those TV crews who ride around with cops filming everything, with the cops blessing.

[@jase1438]

Nahum, it's OK when they do it.

[@bowman4275]

Stupid request. There are hundreds of people around.

[@georgspence4999]

Apparently the requirements for becoming one of these officers doesn’t include being intelligent or being capable of understanding the English language.

[@JB_inks]

When they say "I don't have a problem with you filming at all" you know they have a problem with you filming

[@tgmaps]

No wonder it takes the Nottingham police hours to get to emergency calls, there too busy being distracted by something like this.

[@superdave90934750824]

they're*

[@ladylaois8184]

TG Maps absolutely ridiculous it seriously wrong

[@MultiGleni]

go back to school

[@MultiGleni]

Sean Ransome your old girl loves it sean stfu

[@MultiGleni]

Sean Ransome what kinda name is sean😂😂😂 ur probably bald as fuck

[@gutsngorrrr]

So let's get this right, when the police do their shows for TV they don't ask if they can film that person, so why should you have to.

[@charlesmallo]

They do ask for permission or the faces of persons involved are blurred.

[@lrdisco2005]

No, they don't.

[@eugeneoneal3034]

@@lrdisco2005 Too true, “When people get stopped and searched in the street, or fined for avoiding cameras, when they don’t consent to being observed by cameras, that is a problem,” says Peter Fussey, a criminologist at the University of Essex who was present in Romford, as an independent police-appointed monitor. “The most important thing in research ethics, above all else is . . . to be absolutely sure people consent to being part of that research . . . Yet what happened in these trials is that if people did not engage with it, police would intervene, stop them and search them.”

[@ssss-df5qz]

That's right, and you cn only sign a non disclosure order to have your face blurred. Not actually stop the footage being aired.

[@1973retrorabbit]

@@charlesmallo they don't and that's why channel 5 have just been sued, one of their production companies have gone out of business and one of their shows is now off air due to an invasion of privacy suit (If You Can't Pay We'll Take It Away, was the show).

[@ritchuk]

It is very clear what those officers are saying. If you are assaulted by a member of the public for engaging in a lawful activity, it will be your fault and not the aggressors. If you wonder why crime is out of control in this country then look no further than these 5 clueless, timewasters in uniform.

[@theredman9151]

I couldn't grasped that also. Its the same here in the states.

[@coaster621]

The officer didn’t say it would be their fault if they were assaulted by a member of the public. He was merely advising them of the risk to them. Personally I think it would be entirely their fault. You can only go round pissing people off with shit attitudes for so long before you get your head kicked in

[@VaeVictisXIII]

think the officers point was that his lawful actions could in some situations, such as around drunks, lead to him being assaulted, leading to the cops having to be called back to arrest the attacker.

[@venomzhere773]

officers that turn up to any scene are unlikely to know everything about what happened at a scene, the first two officers are equivalent to PCSOs, which means that they have basically no power and are regarded as 'not real police officers', they could obviously have felt that the photographers were not answering courteously to some simpler questions asked by them because of this so they called on the support of the other officers. it is just a standard response because there is no radio signal that is a cry for help because someone is getting stabbed or if there is a little squabble in a street, it comes under one category so free officers are obliged to respond incase their fellow officers need help. as we can see it was just before the busy time of night in a central part of the town so there were more free officers, this support would have been much less if it was busy.

[@bartconnolly6104]

@@coaster621 Are you claiming you can't go round in short skirt and not expect to be sexually assaulted.? Or you can't be white with blond hair and a skirt and walk through a asian muslim area ? Or be black and walk through a 100% white area? Are you claiming if you do you deserve to be attacked???

[@realspacemodels]

I love that line of people walking by at the end and the one guy stopped to look at the camera, and the girl behind him pushed him to "just keep walking" - which is EXACTLY to thing to do if you don't want to be recorded. Also, "It's just common courtesy to ask people if they mind being recorded" belies the thousands of CCTV cameras in the UK. Do they mean to say if ONE person doesn't want to be recorded, they will gladly turn off the CCTV or point it in a different direction? No, I didn't think so.

[@jerrybootneck1736]

The British Security Industry Authority (BSIA) estimated there are up to 5.9 million closed-circuit television cameras in the country.

[@realspacemodels]

@@jerrybootneck1736 Not knowing exactly how many CCTVs there are in the UK, I went with thousands because then if it's millions (as it is) that's just a lot of thousands. Thanks for the info.

[@simonross77]

I thought the same. I'd have asked Old Bill to turn CCTV off whilst walking around the city lol

[@douglashoward4206]

the tyrants can't control the content on you're camera. criminal hate camera's

[@mikdal2754]

my thoughts too .funny planet we live on

[@redwez1982]

I hate the way they act like it’s a friendly chat between best buddies when they’re really digging for a reason to strip your freedoms.

[@Bosun25]

Precisely, say nothing and no comment.

[@colonialclive]

It amazes me that we as photography enthusiasts are the protagonist when it suits the police for the easy way out!

[@randgate]

Yes, until some crime happens and then they're begging you for the footage to save them doing any work

[@equaliser2265]

So arrest the drunks and the disorderly and protect the photographers.

[@an9l1c1sm6]

agree

[@Incessuserro]

Mate, that would be asking the police to protect the right of a citizen to film in public or to arrest drunken and violent persons and that is just too much to ask. Especially when the police are busy rounding up all the kitchen knives in greater London. Next you'll be asking the police to investigate violent rape gangs throughout the UK that kidnap, terrorize, and force young girls into prostitution. Pretty cheeky of you mate.

[@karenbevis8179]

Exactly - arrest the law breakers!

[@ssss-df5qz]

Start by nicking the annoying tramp for vagrancy which is an actual criminal offence. As is threatening to cause criminal damage to someone's property.

[@jamestodd1104]

ss ss could do him for breach of the peace for the smashing cameras comment

[@RobertPorter3010]

As an American from what I have heard, if you don't want to be filmed perhaps you should move to anther country. I have heard their are cameras everywhere in England.

[@NBMedia8928]

We can't walk 50 yards without being seen on some kind of Cctv!

[@MrAndrewFarrow]

We’re the most videoed country there is apparently. It stems from the IRA campaign days.

[@petemason57]

Yes we have CCTV in every city but people still get told hey you can't film here. What a joke.

[@jimnaz87jd]

@@MrAndrewFarrow ha ha ha yeah keep believing that

[@jadekayak01]

not really. heaps in london and some main centres then nothing

[@northernrider780]

People saying about the guys in the video being aggressive or 'twats' To be fair, those coppers (although I think they're actually rent-a-cops?) should have told the guy in the red jacket they can't do anything about it, it's perfectly legal and if he doesn't want to be on camera, stop walking and stopping in front of the damn thing.

[@lindanico1]

Real rent a cops ? 🤣

[@asianaxeman]

It's amazing how the whole frigging town centre has cctv everywhere yet they get triggered by someone with a decent camera

[@JonnyEnglish-gu1cs]

It surprises me that police don’t understand photography laws had it years ago and they still don’t get it photographers getting harassed for carrying out legal activities

[@judis6224]

Jonny English,cops think they can do as they like and get away with it. In nz cops judges social services and families have stake holders in court system,think they are safe.bent english cops coming over,don't like it when they are told why they are really here for.

[@Davy-z6o]

Photography has been around for nigh on 200 years. If Do-nuts haven't learnt anything about photography in 2 centuries, they never will.

[@antonoat]

Why are the police hassling people who are not doing anything which is against the law in the UK. This just doesn't make sense, these police should have their wages docked for the time they wasted on this.

[@nps2512]

AoToGo n

[@WorksopGimp]

Way to much time on their hands monitoring facebook and twitter for "hate crimes"

[@Fitzrovialitter]

Because it's easiest for them.

[@constablebentonfraser5014]

This is the entire UK Police force. Every county in every place they are this fucking moronic.

[@EBOWARRIOR]

If that guy was as clued up as he is making out he wouldnt be walking about with a piss stinking blanket on him and wondering where the nearest bin is for his dinner.

[@nas9968]

I love what you just said!

[@lawrencenisbett7579]

Savage 😂

[@untissify]

EBOWARRIOR 😂😂😂😂

[@tsfcancerman]

If you dont want to be on camera in uk you better dont go out cause whole of britain is cctv

[@RobBob555]

true

[@valleyboy2099]

Hahahah no your wrong maybe your shity city's have lol

[@iantonka920]

People have the right not to be filmed if they don't want to, why should these photographers make money out of individuals? Someone will one day come up behind and assault them ,take the camera off them, and it will be their own fault.

[@StevieK14]

That last two mins just melted my brain ?did they basically tell you to show a bit of respect to the revelers who are drunk and disorderly ?

[@NBMedia8928]

That's exactly what they said dumb cops

[@theoriginaloc]

Nosey B'stard' 8928 So, the officers who are there to keep the peace and prevent crime told you they won’t be able to keep the peace or prevent crime later when criminals engaged in public intoxication and disorderly conduct arrive. Makes sense.

[@2icelollys1goat]

@@theoriginaloc I saw it this way, entirely, too. And there'll tell you such in a smug way, also.

[@2icelollys1goat]

@@ACarpyConnection If the people going out deliberately to get pissed up can't control themselves or their tempers they should stay indoors. And if they do go out and assault someone or damage their property they should deal with the consequences ie our legal system (police and courts). It shouldn't be the other way around where the law abiding individual - the photographer in this case, feels a threat to their safety. Basically either educate people better on the harm excess drink can do; or provide greater policing, but don't penalise people wanting to carry out their hobby. They have just as much right to be there as some drunken tosser.

[@polm4074]

@@2icelollys1goat u clearly don't live in the real world

[@andreasalvia9709]

Can the council please put signs up asking if we mind being filmed? Its common courtesy lol

[@superdave90934750824]

Excellent point.

[@duncansteward4331]

but its often not the District council, or the Town Council or Police using CCTV. Most are Private ie Banks etc Others belong to the Highways agency, DVLC, Government the list goes on, so good luck trying to find out who they belong to.

[@lazyjesus6573]

Respect to the guy who played the bongos all the way through.

[@ttydhxywjdiwhd]

lol

[@GASH_one]

He was annoying a f

[@richardclarkson3016]

The photographers should have complained about him and seen what their reaction was.

[@marieascot]

The guy with the bongos claims a copyright infringement for reproducing his work without permission. He is not longer homeless. Result. ;-)

[@rudeboijasmithy]

Really? I was happy when it stopped. Was doing my head in.

[@Boros777]

Oi Mate, u got a loicence fo that cam'ra?

[@shush_ya_mush]

Notts police plead that they're a few pence away from anarchy due to budget cuts but they have plenty of time for this nonsense ok ok ok ok ok ok

[@darrenenright1728]

@Rhys Tomos bang on mate ! Early retirement costs billions while normal working people have to work till they drop! It's just not feesible in any public office ,that's why the pension pots empty! It's quite simple really !🇬🇧✌

[@WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS]

The people filming are dressed like police swat or SAS and the police are responding to that and there limit of communication.

[@WorksopGimp]

Need to send it to Boris, dont waste any more Tax on this lot

[@alanhaywood01]

@Rhys Tomos Totally clapped out harassing innocent people

[@Xpp.]

What an awful crime ! Wearing a hi-viz and bothering photographers !

[@douglashoward4206]

they do this here even though we have laws that say they can't do this here.

[@kellishero]

Wow, police saying that people who are drunk may not like being filmed. How many programmes are there where cameras go out with police doing just that, do they get permission? Come on guys stop harassing people just exercising their rights and do your jobs making sure they can do so without threat.

[@tonybooth249]

Come on plod. If you are going to police the law, you should probably learn it first??

[@PeowPeowPeowLasers]

Those officers are completely out of their depth. The correct response to that guy complaining is "if you don't want to be photographed then walk elsewhere".

[@DMSProduktions]

That's IT! DON'T walk in front of my camera! It's what people do here! NO problem!

[@kevinshaw1387]

Exactley

[@PINACI]

At what point was you rude ? The only person who was rude was the homeless guy and the police officer but he wanted to turn that rudeness over to you because you refused to be interrogated on the streets. Good job both of you, thoroughly enjoyed your experiment, think it took around 30 minutes before someone got triggered.

[@jamesgoodwin2450]

It’s always constant underhand threats,do they really not know this law or do they just want to throw their perceived weight around

[@johnmontague69]

How would you know it took 30mins before someone got triggered? The video only lasts 12 minutes! I went to skip forward to 30 minutes after reading your comment lol 😃

[@PINACI]

@@johnmontague69 Because I watched it live along with about 68 other people while Nosey and an urban explorer live streamed their night out. What you are watching here is just the main camera and gopro footage.

[@AsloAso]

PINACI news the best thing for the homeless man is somebody hitting him hard with a truck, there no room in this world for utter ignorance lol

[@narvul]

What gave away he's homeless?

[@frazzeld]

Do the council ask permission to film on the CCTV

[@tobyfletcher6803]

nope

[@andygee9320]

Do they, fuck!

[@lecu1967]

Standing there and asking someone questions when they've made it abundantly clear that they don't want to speak is harassment. The irony of cops doing this is palatable

[@Ollie-lz5hr]

Unfortunately it’s not harassment must take place more than once

[@richardclarkson3016]

Not as ironic as when one of photographers said they were just filming and the copper replied, that’s all we wanted to know, why didn’t you just say that in the first place. Like it wasn’t plainly obvious that that’s what they were doing! The camera being the giveaway!

[@MarcTerryPhotography]

I love the plastic plod getting his wee pen and note book out. It's like his first day in school and he just wanted to ask questions 😂😅😅😅 god bless him

[@steverobey711]

Another Walt Disney Police academy of LAW They don't no that photography is not a fricking CRIME Can you educate PORK?????

[@terolaitanen]

Atleast they didn't bring up terrorism this time. I guess they have been disiplined about the abuse of the terror act they previously used on almost every occasion considering public photography.

[@sandwichman100]

they wernt bright enough to think of 'in this day and age' silly thing is, if there was an incident in that laneway, say some crazy homeless guy freaked out by the drumming pulls a knife and stabs the drummer, the coppers would be requesting the camera guys footage.

[@DJShadesUK]

1:53 PCSO 1 (4639): "Gentleman says he hasn't given you permission to film him" 1:57 PCSO 1 (4639): "Do you mind pointing your cameras the other way" 2:17 PCSO 1 (4639): "He's just taken offence to being on camera, he doesn't want to be on camera" 3:29 PCSO 2 (4370): "Do you have a licence or anything?" 3:55 PCSO 2 (4370): "if people don't want to be filmed its only fair that you don't film them" 5:43 PSCO 2 (4370): "Why you filming? Any reason why you need to be filming?" 8:19 PC 1 (3971): "I've got no issue with you at all, its just some members of the public taken offence to it" 8:31 PC 1 (3971): "Have you got a valid reason to be filming here?" 8:56 PC 2: "Whats the reason for not telling us whats going on?" 10:10 PC 2: "As long as they're not antagonising people later on, causing a breach of the peace" 10:21 PC 3: "You can just ask people if they don't mind being recorded" Notes: 1 - Under UK law you do *NOT* need permission, or a reason, to film *anything* or *anyone* in a public place (unless that "anything" is protected by the Official Secrets Act). 2 - Under UK law you do *NOT* need a licence to film. However for big commercial productions, that require streets to be closed or may cause other disruptions, you *do* need permission in advance from the local authorities (council) and to pay any applicable application/permission fees. 3 - Under UK law you do *NOT* have to answer *ANY* questions from *anyone* , even the police. Remember the offical police arrest caution states: "You do not have to say anything...", this applies just as much if you have *not* been arrested as it does when you have been arrested. Even under Stop and Search/Account laws you do *not* need to give any personal details. 4 - Under UK law you cannot be held responsible for other peoples unlawful actions (there are with a few exceptions to this - such as corporate manslaughter for instance - but none that would apply here). If someone else takes offence, and starts causing trouble, it would be *THEM* in breach of the peace, *NOT* you. PC 1 was so close to doing what he should have done, but still couldn't help himself here and there. Generally they all need disciplining and retraining about what the law is and what their powers actually are.

[@00Ryder]

Oh dude... the thing is though. There's just no need to be as rude as this guy is. Whilst he's not doing ANYTHING illegal, he is being an utter douchebag. Firstly, if you know you're not doing anything wrong, why not answer the questions and educate the people who are wrong. You still dont need to give your details but you could engage in friendly conversation. Secondly, whilst you can film or photograph anyone or anything in a public place, a decent photographer would have a little bit more of a moral compass and maybe ask permission, delete a photo that someone has politely requested not to be in, be a bit discrete about it. I love street photography but no photo is really worth pissing someone off for. I'd be a bit annoyed if i was homeless or someone took an unflattering picture of me and put it in some art gallery or documentary. I know full well there's nothing you can so legally but it's just polite. Jamie Windsor made an awesome video about it on here somewhere. I fully get that if someone assaults them or damages their camera that they are still within their rights and the other person is the offender. However, they couldn't be more obvious and they're acting like arseholes. They're wearing tac vests, gopros, filming on their phone and using a camera. Which suggests they are trying to provoke a reaction or (more likely) they have been hurt or had equipment damaged before. Which is not surprising given their current attitude towards this whole thing. Those Police do make a valid point that some hard man could stagger out of a pub and not like that he's on camera and smash it up or hit them. At which point these two are gonna be calling the Police that they've just been incredibly rude to and then they're duty bound to do something about it. When really they've just had a mega dose or karma. You can be a nice person and still exercise your legal rights.

[@GutS7u6]

I completely agree. I understand he law regarding filming/photography in public places, but to turn to the PCSO/police or whatever and tell them to 'turn your back on me and ignore me' is just plain rude. A decent person/street photographer would just wait until the guy with the red thing had left the scene and then carried on. The guys filming here seemed to be a bit up their own arses and should have handled the situation a whole lot differently. There is no point knowing the legalities of what you are doing if you are not willing to explain/discuss politely what or why you are doing it. Most people will be accepting of what you are doing if you are open about it. And if someone asks you not to record/photograph them then why carry on? If someone asks you to delete a photo, then why not? You have lost nothing, unless you were hoping to make money from it, in which case you should really have a model release contract signed. If I had the inclination, I would do a timeline (like above) with every rude and snyde remark made by the person filming. People like that give photographers a bad name, and that will only result in less people being tolerant of candid street photography. And wearing a tactical jacket with a 'recording in progress' patch (half hidden by the go pro mount) is just like those bikers that wear vests similar to motorcycle police but theirs say 'POLITE notice' and have official style chequer decals on their helmets. The other 90% of bikers just tut and shake their heads in shame at them. Yes, know your rights, but don't abuse your rights. What is so important about filming 'that person' that you feel justified in doing so and causing them distress. It is not just a matter of what is legally right, but also what is morally right.

[@00Ryder]

@@GutS7u6 I actually know the guy above and he's not an ignorant guy and someone who you can engage with. I didn't know he'd seen or commented on this vide until I looked at the comments. Pure chance really. I honestly can't put it better than Jamie Windsor, who (in short) states that whilst you don't need to ask permission and you've no obligation to delete photos we all have our own moral compass. His stance seems to be that if the a person is unhappy at being in a photo, he will delete it unless that person is not the subject and just a passer by and the photo isn't something he can replicate. I would encourage anyone to know their rights and exercise them accordingly but there's no need to be such an insufferable arsehole. They expect to treat the Police like they're beneath them but expect NOT to be treated that way themselves. It's complete double standards. If I was homeless then my pride would most likely get in the way and I wouldn't want to be pictured at my lowest point. I guess what I'm trying to say is this guy is acting like a complete C-unit whilst simultaneously expecting not to be treated like one.

[@GutS7u6]

@@00Ryder Totally with you re Jamie Windsor. Also, the original comment that this thread is on just seemed a bit one sided. Yes the police were OTT with the response, especially with the rise of violent crimes in our cities (I am very close to London myself) and the original PCSO officers seemed very unsure of what to do... but the main guy filming was being very uncooperative. The timeline above only showed what the officers said, and the majority of the comments on this video are just anti police and 'go for it' towards the photographer. Not only was the guy rude to the officers, but he was also muttering things like 'see what the homeless are like in Nottingham' etc. There seems no point in commenting on the 'Police jut trying to make money' etc replies as there is a fair chance that it would just end in insults. DJshadesUK has obviously watched the video and paid attention to it, I just felt that it was a biased summary of what went down, but feel that a reply to his comment wouldn't be viewed as a police loving arse licking fascist opinion (which I don't think it has). I am not a copper myself (I'm a grease monkey), but I do have family and friends in the force, one of which is a very good photographer. I am a fan of street photography (although a bit shit at it personally), and have read up on the UK law regarding it as I like to know what I can and can't get away with. The video guy was legally in the right, I agree with that... but morally wrong and then made matters worse by be being a cockwomble. Everyone commenting can't seem to see it though, as they are so focused on what the drunk guy, the PCSOs and police did wrong . In the words of RIngo Starr... peace and love, peace and love.

[@00Ryder]

@@GutS7u6 exactly. Its almost pointless trying to argue with any of the comments on here. You'd just be wasting your breathe. The fact is most of the general public don't know their own rights or the law and so it angers them when people dont act the way THEY expect then to. Which leads to the Police being in a no win situation. Here's a rough example of most Policing situations: Bystander 1 "Why arent the Police doing anything about it, what a waste of time they are. Utterly useless" Bystander 2 "Bloody Police brutality this is. Were you bullied as a kid where you. You should go pick on some one else. Neither will know what the complaint is or what evidence there is. The Police weren't rude at all and perfectly ok to ask him questions. They dont need a power to ask a bloody question. If he answered them politely maybe he could've educated them.

[@grimreaper3526]

the cops should arrest themselves for ripping the taxpayers off

[@Philip0209]

I always find it amusing when the public complain about people taking pictures even when it isn't of them, they are on security cameras hundreds of times everyday yet this doesn't bother them in the slightest.. strange folk.

[@brianserious]

It's because they don't want to be blasted all over the Internet which none of your examples include, let's be honest. Not that it matters the paparazzi literally stalk people.

[@duncansteward4331]

not only that -- you try and get a copy from those CCTV cameras and you wont be able--- in the first intance, you wont even know who or where to ask, as not reg or control over them. Even the Police cameras are uncontrolled and unaccountable.

[@shaundonnelly2019]

Wah, wah, I don't want to be filmed, proceeds to hang around in front of the camera 🤔

[@johnnosiennek7066]

Give him a can of cyder and he'll be gone

[@hawkesworth1712]

All you have to do is point up to the CCTV on the corner of the building and say "I'll turn mine off is you turn your's off". End of discussion.

[@spinningnumbers]

I use to love photography but this is why I don't do it anymore. On one occasion when I was taking pictures of my own children MY OWN CHILDREN!!!!! I was approached by a women who told me I couldn't take photos of kids. She was a member of the self appointed pedo police (not to be confused with the self appointed anti terrorist squad). It's just cowardly moral positioning (I've got to be careful not to go off into a rant here). Anyway....it was me who felt violated and it left me with something I couldn't scrape off.

[@NBMedia8928]

Tell people like that to jog on and mind their own business

[@sleptiq]

Oh your feelings are hurt, because someone actually cares about their community. Boo-hoo. What if that woman approached someone else taking photos of your kids? That's of course not even crossed your arrogant mind, because you can't see further than your nose.

[@2icelollys1goat]

Sad really that the self-righteous officer at the end is almost implying that any possible drunk and disorderly behaviour or acts of assault, against you by a person, could be somehow expected because they've consumed alcohol. As for the hobo at the beginning... he needs to address his alcohol or drug dependent issues; and get off the streets.

[@ELAR15]

The reason why they were approached was because they stayed in one place for too long. They caught so much attention because of their camera that was set up on a tripod. I had the same experience over a year ago when I was just starting in street photography. All I did was photograph a god damn street art in a public park using my mobile phone that was set up on a mini tripod. The next thing I discovered was 2 security guards were standing right behind me asking questions as to why I was photographing the innocent and lifeless walls. That was my first and only nightmare doing street photography as my hobby.

[@Itisfinished.]

The sheriffs of Nottingham haven't got a clue about the law,,more thick pirates.

[@ruhakana]

the police around most of the uk are complete bellends so your not on your own haha

[@mrichards55]

Not a chance in hell these would attend a house burglary.

[@ge2719]

probably because they are community support, not actual police edit. or at least the first plonker were

[@antonoat]

Unless of course the innocent house owner may try and protect himslef/herself or their posessions and cause physical injury to the perpetrator of the crime! Makes me sick.

[@StarDustSid]

The police come across really badly in this video. They're always protesting that they don't have enough officers, yet they waste time and men on ridiculous stunts like this.

[@yellowslacker]

Doesn't help that police get baited into it. The guy could have just said, yeah fine I won't point it at him. Then just carry on. They would have walked on and that would have been that.

[@StarDustSid]

The police were not baited into anything. They should have just told the guy that the law States he's perfectly entitled to take photographs. And one persons complaint being upheld is a thin end of the wedge. If the majority of people complained, and the police upheld their complaints, then nobody could take photographs in public.

[@james-5560]

The tit had already upset 1 member of the public by sticking a camera in their face, the police were there to try and prevent a breach of the peace. He'd be the first one crying to the police if a member of the public smashed his camera up because they were drunk and he antagonised them by filming them when they didn't want to be filmed. While it isn't illegal to film in public, it is seen as rude and poor etiquette to point a camera at people and film them without asking and just like any other bad manners some will get annoyed by it.

[@yellowslacker]

StarDustSid Totally was baited, this guy does this to get a reaction then posts it on KZbin for anti police and anti establishment commenters. It is breeding a nasty taste for society and should not be encouraged. You are a fool if you can't see it.

[@gaza4543]

T R generally think those coppers where there for his safety. And tbh the coppers where polite and calmly asked what he was doing and there other questions and all they got back where rude answers. Think the real problem was they looked like professionals dressed head to toe In go pros and they really needed to ask if he had a permit to film but didn’t . Or if he was a general Joe taking pics in which case they could of easily moved him on for safety reasons.

[@simonhartley5444]

In the words of crimebodge........ Notice how they try to use their notebook as a prop.

[@ladylaois8184]

Simon Hartley seriously lol that’s so funny 🤣

[@peterbutler6392]

Very intimidating behaviour by the police, towards someone doing nothing wrong. They should obviously be more concerned about the 'offended' guy's threats, and yet nothing was said to him. And although they kept warning there would be drunk and disorderly behaviour in this street shortly, they didn't stick around to deal with it or to protect this guy, who is doing NOTHING WRONG.

[@ynwa3476]

They are not police. They are street wardens employed by the local council. They have very little power or authority.

[@peterbutler6392]

@@ynwa3476 Well in that case, we might be forgiven for thinking they're impersonating the police, which of course is a crime! Seems absurd to me that people dressed identically to the police and dealing with law and order issues on the street can get away with doing any of this legally!! I'd have assumed they were PCSOs, and only this behaviour would have possibly made me doubt it.. Thank you for your reply :)

[@robbiemify]

The guy in red is either drunk or on drugs, yet police ignore him !!!

[@joostbrouwer472]

he doesnt want to be filmed,thats why he is coming back...

[@indigenousbrit1605]

go breaking into cars and the police are not interested.

[@1tommymulligan]

So lets get this right. You should approach drunk and disorderly people and ask for their permission to film them in case they get offended?

[@kevinshaw1387]

fucking snowflake society we live in.

[@dickensdickens3025]

frank brown and immediately get the first warning on s5 public order offence followed by the inevitable requirement to identify yourself , you can refuse of course and find yourself nicked

[@dickensdickens3025]

frank brown . Your advice would really be a “Smart move” shit for brains ..

[@larryrivers2752]

If they believe that some harm might come to you, maybe they should stick around and protect you from harm!

[@ericsalles3393]

he should have said to the policeman if some one attacks us .you are here to protect us and arrest them ..and it will be on camera .which may be used in a court of law .

[@jimkirk9332]

If people can take offence of you taking there picture, can you not take offence of police asking question and bothering you?

[@NBMedia8928]

Absolutely, we were traumatised

[@z_tube]

NO PERMISSIONS NEEDED! When will they learn 😤

[@jamesgoodwin2450]

I think they know, they just want to see if they can throw their weight around,it takes a certain person to be a copper,if you know what I mean

[@varunhebli]

They're taught to assume everyone is stupid enough to go along with their act

[@silentauditor9513]

3 years later and they still haven’t…. 🙄

[@ew4206]

They are NOT PCSOs, they are community safety accreditation drones, the latest version of plastic police.

[@ront2424]

I am Australian and I have a question, do these IPLODS have any powers at all or are the just like security guards.

[@ew4206]

@@ront2424 they have some powers as provided by the police like fining for cycling on the pavement etc, but basically they are fake police, you can tell them to fuck off quite legally, notice the fake police hat, jacket etc.The good thing is that they are cheap, no pension etc.

[@ront2424]

@@ew4206 thanks for that, cheers

[@fantasticmrnox]

@@ront2424 Theyre like PSO's in victoria.

[@Jeff-bg7pt]

They don't turn up when you're bloody shed broken in 😢

[@dannyriley6250]

Excuse me officer this man is filming me. That is not a crime sir, he can film all he wants from public. Dont waste our time. Oh ok. Job done.

[@Cestrianvlogger]

Hundreds of camera around Nottingham yet two innocent chaps just filming in public get hounded and harassed by the filth, also faradays is a pretty good bar, bit expensive though

[@thegroove2000]

Stood firm there fella. Well done.

[@thegroove2000]

The useful idiots they are.

[@thegroove2000]

They always pull that stunt. We want to make sure you are alright we want to make sure your equipment is safe blah blah blah. As they care. They work for that Criminal organisation Parliament so by association they are Criminals as they are enforcing the many unlawful acts the rules aka legislation.

[@John-xn3sc]

If there is a burglary no police turn up

[@andystratford2111]

Lorraine please belive me there is plenty of crime in nottm

[@andygee9320]

Camera'd up the whole of London, then built a huge fence around it called, The M25!

[@mickypoo4622]

Obviously a low crime rate in Nottingham if they can afford to send TWO police cars and FOUR Officers to deal with nothing at all. Anybody else could be videoing this street on their mobiles anyway. What a complete waste of police time. Whoever sent these patrols to investigate this should be sacked and videoed while they are told so.

[@MrAnon-2024]

What an absolute over reaction from plod! Perfectly legal and if some snowflake has a meltdown then tough!

[@hemedia7082]

@Nosey B'stard 8928, what the actual .... that homeless guy, was not only a complete grass, but did not know his rights and I am sure was trying to create a fuss to make himself feel better, but to then walk in front of the camera again, after being offended by being on camera.... just boggles the mind... then to think he can verbally threaten a loss of equipment, because he wants to smash them up.... he should be banned from the city centre at night.... I have run out of guidance for photographers letters, as I give them out to every one that stops me, or to everyone with a camera, so everybody knows.... but I'll run off another batch for the start of next week... as for asking to you to turn your cameras off, is against that guidance and against the law for the Police to even ask... as you can see I was shouting at the screen with a running commentary lol Great video to show how to react to the Police when out taking pictures in public....Stay safe out there.

[@hemedia7082]

@Mark Swarbrick, yes indeed, he does seem to have his priorities all out of whack and not thinking about the essentials he's needs. But I did notice, he mentioned nothing about the CCTV cameras, who have obviously had him in the frame for a lot longer than Nosey B'stard' 8928 ever could have ..... and to expect the idea that you have some semblance of privacy in public really shows how much he doesn't know....

[@adrianhorgan8944]

What are these 'guidance for photographers letters' and where do i find them ?

[@hemedia7082]

@Adrian Horgan every one should have one, including the police... www.theiac.org.uk/resourcesnew/filming-in-public/ACPO_Guidance_PhotographsPublicPlaces.pdf stay safe out there

[@adrianhorgan8944]

@@hemedia7082 Thank you kindly

[@hemedia7082]

@Adrian Horgan, you're most welcome

[@markdevonport4684]

The prefect irony is that it is an offence to leave the engine running on a parked vehicle according to the Highway Code.

[@bjorndunderbeck]

not only that but it wastes a finite resource and adds co2 to the air which fucks the planet and particulates which destroy lungs.

[@nicomeier8098]

3:40 O, so cute, he takes out his little notebook. Awwww....... "I just NEED to as you some questions". No, you don't need to do that, you want to do that. And I don't have to answer any of them. . "People don't want to be filmed, it's only fair you don't film me". Unbelievable, just unbelievable and he says it with a straight face. . And if you don't comply with their requests, they call in "assistance". Assistance for what exactly? I'll tell you - intimidation tactics. . Grooming gangs are left alone but people taking photographs in public......

[@davesfilmingservices4377]

There is no right of privacy in public. However, I find the coppers reaction towards the end most condescending.

[@TheMadEnglishman]

8:46 as the officers exited the vehicle, it sounds like they left the engine running. I'm sure they're aware that it is an offence in the UK to do so.

[@Hammertime054]

madengman , it surely is, but as per, rules the bacon and rules for us.

[@johnnosiennek7066]

I would have loved to see it being driven off

[@Pete-qo7bv]

More of a crime parking that bloody car there!!!!

[@racewaymarshal]

Leaving a car engine running when no driver in car is a criminal offence

[@kennethmcgeechan604]

@@racewaymarshal you can even get done for your car engine running if you are in it nowadays.

[@breakit46]

Keep it up, you are maintaining A Freedom we Still have. I thank you.

[@ladylaois8184]

breakit46 not for much longer

[@jamestodd1104]

Lady Laois they will have to take all CCTV down then, no chance

[@scottmcelhiney323]

From what I understand about British police, that wasn't one... that's a "community officer" ie.. private security with no police powers.

[@jaydenwhite4685]

Where did you buy the click fast to gopro mount is so could you tell me or if you made them could you tell me how to been looking for them for ages!

[@Drabee]

shout out to the busker dude, he were well sound!!

[@NBMedia8928]

He was pretty cool

[@wesmatron]

Are you writing in a Leeds/Yorkshire accent? ;)

[@Dumpadore]

"Don't film me" steps into the shot

[@ConcernedCitizensEssex]

And sheeple wondering why there's no many coppers responding 😂😂

[@reluctentninja]

Just a pointless exercise looking for a confrontation for KZbin... Again.

[@endangeredstraightwhitemal5124]

@@reluctentninja to be so butthurt by that comment, youre either a police orificer, or a knuckle dragging bouncer, wannabe police orificer, im right arent i ?

[@reluctentninja]

@@endangeredstraightwhitemal5124 neither, retired military now an engineer... You?

[@mvs3553]

Police: " Why aren't you helping me build a case against you?"

[@VentureNinja]

There's no expectation of privacy in public. What the photographers are doing should not be questioned. They're allowed to do what they're doing. That's it.

[@fargodavilleitnotd6729]

"have you got a licence for that?! kin hilarious, respect bro, my hometown, keep doing your stuff

[@delcat8168]

Manufactured conflict... if you explain what you are doing and why, there isn't a problem. If you are obstructive with the police they will hassle you... simple as that. I've been asked why I was taking pictures round a building site. I told 'em I was a local artist and it was for an artwork I was doing....no problem at all. Simple.

[@robmulder7966]

Del Cat “anything you say, can be used against you” So if there is no lawful reason for you to explain yourself, you don’t have to. It’s just police harassment.

[@Mikeandlucy1]

Think your name should be Del Kitten: You completely miss the point. In this country and many others around the world we have freedoms, you know those rights that allow us to enjoy life without having to explain ourselves to anyone. If you are acting within the law, then be a man and grow a pair, stop acting like a melting snowflake and stand up for yourself you wimp.

[@ID-hg1pr]

It's fine if you want to tell the police, or anyone for that matter, your business; but there are people in the world that recognize that they owe no one an explanation of their business if they're not breaking the law. And if the police can see that the guy is filming in public, and that no crime is being committed, then they need to walk away and go do something useful instead of acting like butt hurt infantiles because they're not getting what they want. The man is not doing anything wrong by filming in public, and there is no need to harass him. They're just upset that he's not kneeling down and licking their boot heels. Simple.

[@joecarr9476]

Well officer, if a Drunk person wrecks my camera and hits me you'll then have some REAL Police Work to do!

[@ArcturanMegadonkey]

As a fellow cinematographer this makes my piss boil! if it was me I'd almost be tempted to say "non of your business, now piss off and leave me to film" but these officers would find some way to put me up in a cell for the night. They need to change their attitude as the more I see of this kind of footage the more trust I loose in the police force in the UK.

[@DIGITALidYOUTUBE]

Sooo the... bobbies is it? Are more concerned with the people filming than the people walking around drunk and disorderly in public?

[@ramadaxl]

Typical Muppet police...a lot of the time they have NO idea what the law is...and that goes double for PCSO's..I was stopped in Trafalgar square because ( according to them ) 'you can't take photo's in Trafalgar square if you are using a Tripod...'cos it means you are a PROFESSIONAL Photographer', ( you CAN by the way...providing you don't use the images / video for 'commercial reasons' ...for that you need a permit since it is Crown property ). But the cops looked and sounded a 'bit' pissed of when I told them that according to what they had just said it meant that my 12 year old niece was also a Professional Photographer...since I had got her a tripod for her birthday!

[@clickrick]

To be fair, a tripod in a busy place like Trafalgar Square would be likely to cause a trip hazard, and anyone tripping over it would have cause to sue you as a result, but that's a completely separate (and civil) matter.

[@ramadaxl]

@@clickrick Yes indeed...a tripod could be a trip hazard...however going back over my previous comment I realised I'd missed something out :-/...It was about 3.00 o'clock...in the morning! Apart from myself the cops were the only other people on that side of Trafalgar square! But that's not the point, the point is that THEY thought that simply because you were using tripod it meant that you were a professional photographer...and even that makes little sense since there would still be no bar to taking photographs ( with or without a tripod ) In Trafalgar Square so long as it was not for commercial reasons, if it was for commercial reasons you would need a permit since Trafalgar Square is Crown property.

[@clickrick]

@@ramadaxl Well yeah, but aside from pesky things like facts, there's rules, innit. And the thing with rules is, y'see, that rules is rules, and we can't go around having rules without people sticking to them. The only downside to rules is that they tend to be complicated, and some people remember one half of the rule without remembering the other half of it....

[@theredman9151]

Officer " Do you have a valid reason ? " Me " yes, because Im legally allowed."

[@paulwilliams5208]

"Why are you Filming?" why do you never here "Why are you BREATHING?" basically the SAME - if you can answer the breathing question you've answered your filming question

[@alancross1987]

So he mustn't film drunk people because they might not like it, but it's OK for cameras to film drunk people being arrested for police TV programmes.

[@mrf4138]

At 9’50” in. One of the police officers says “So you’re just taking pictures, there’s nothing wrong with that, but there’s no need to be rude about it.” Stop and think about this. A Photographer taking pictures in a street which is open to the public is approached by half a dozen police officers over a period of half an hour some of them tell him he’s not allowed to take photographs of people because it’s upsetting and others question him wanting to know his name, date of birth and other details as if he is doing something criminal. Yet it is the police officers who turned to the photographer when all is said and done and say “there is no need to be rude about it.” If anybody out there can you think of a better example of the pot calling the kettle black please let me know.

[@dave134061]

strange how they never ask to film anyone on cctv etc but want you to ask

[@BigDuke6ixx]

10:41 'drunk people don't like having their photos takes' Yeah, right! Have photography just been invented or something?

[@familytelly6438]

LOL, another embarrassing moment for the police!!!

[@ladylaois8184]

Family Telly they really are a joke

[@solitudeguard5688]

Right- that Chinese PCSO is an absolute scoundrel. I lived in Nottingham for around 10-12 years and we had someone complain about my brother playing music- he came around and was incredibly rude to my mother and father, the music wasn’t loud in the slightest, it was just our neighbours trying to hassle us due to previous confrontations- this community support menace said he would enforce a “noise violation order” nothing came of it and my mother reported him, he is a complete nightmare- entitled muppet.

[@Sameoldfitup]

There is no law stopping anyone filming in a public place, so if you are on the streets you can film without asking permission - the Metropolitan Police's own guidelines (adopted by all police forces in Britain) make clear that “police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel”.

[@sierracharlie7293]

0:46 will someone tell Einstein that every street he walked down he was being being Surveilled.

[@larrymodzelewski469]

Signs , signs , everywhere a sign, blocking out the scenery , blowing my mind ! Do this , don't do that. Same with photo laws..

[@Liverpoolboy01]

Police don’t ask to record do they?

[@desperatemohammedantheworl5833]

Nope. Just like the public they don't have to.

[@jamesgoodwin2450]

They don’t ask but I think they have to tell you,and probably only if you ask are you filming me

[@adgg577]

He doesn't want to answer questions so the officer tries to find out why.....by asking him another question. 🙈

[@DuneRider-UK]

“Officer, I find bongos offensive. Please can you ask the bongo player to get my permission before playing in public”

[@seantennyson9492]

Love your stuff nosey stay strong and tell them nothing

[@snowflakemelter1172]

Guys on the Bongo's are broadcasting the news to their mates.

[@brucekain6045]

Oh man, you get the award for the funniest comment on this posting ....... kwality !!!

[@FancyMcDancy]

That's not racist at all. Not at all.

[@ladylaois8184]

Rufus Chucklebutty smoke 💨 signals next

[@timauger]

The photographer was in the right, but his manner was calculated to irritate the officers - he could have handled it better.

[@laural3267]

this is different form filming corporations, you are filming a person who doesn't want to be filmed so its common curtesy not to do it

[@laural3267]

and I knw the government does it, so that's not a reason to add cameras and harassment, they aren't doing it to YOU, they are just fellow people who are harassed also by the over exposure inflicted BY said government so get over yourself I liked the ones when you were filming people who worked for coorperation that filmed others and therefore giving a taste of their own where as humans do not LIKE being filmed , its a need to respond either in humour, anger , or sadness if they feel intruded upon, so why do you film a single person who has not wringed you .. and yes now you have just abused them!