'If We Burn': The limits of mass protest w/Vincent Bevins | The Chris Hedges Report

[@LeftKinect]

❤Chris Hedges! One of the absolute best people on earth. Thank you sir.

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

I like him too, but often I find myself falling asleep😴 whenver he talks. He's great for my insomnia. 😅

[@wendyfay16]

FYI ~ Chris announced on X that he was just abruptly sacked from his weekly interview program on “The Real News.” Very grateful this morning to TRT for inviting him on, his voice is so necessary, and yet the cowardly forces continue to try to suppress him. 'They' have gained yet another scalp but will have lost a lot of friends. The only friends they'll have now, are the ones they've bought. When/if you Unsubscribe from TRNN, make sure to leave a Comment giving your reason Why …

[@deborahlagunitas]

The Real News will regret letting Chris Hedges go. He's the cream of the crop, the most honest and thorough journalist around. Shame on The Real News.

[@wendyfay16]

Chris announced on X that he was just abruptly sacked from his weekly interview program on “The Real News.” Very grateful this morning to TRT for inviting him on, his voice is so necessary, and yet the cowardly forces continue to try to suppress him. 'They' have gained yet another scalp but will have lost a lot of friends. The only friends they'll have now, are the ones they've bought. When/if you Unsubscribe from TRNN, make sure to leave a Comment giving your reason Why …

[@Adamroable]

Hedges wealth of experience and knowledge is unmatched.

[@palestiniansojourner3231]

why did they?

[@Nine-Signs]

@@palestiniansojourner3231 $$$ thats why,

[@nickjensensbookreviews5137]

💯​@@Adamroable

[@SkullyTheHypnoSkull]

Chris Hedges' show is the only thing I watch on this channel.

[@wendyfay16]

FYI Chris announced on X that he was just abruptly sacked from his weekly interview program on “The Real News.” Very grateful this morning to TRT for inviting him on, his voice is so necessary, and yet the cowardly forces continue to try to suppress him. 'They' have gained yet another scalp but will have lost a lot of friends. The only friends they'll have now, are the ones they've bought. When/if you Unsubscribe from TRNN, make sure to leave a Comment giving your reason Why …

[@paxwallace8324]

Chris Hedges is simultaneously of the people and for the people yet a scholar! He is the contemporary Chomsky. He will remain the most significant voice of reason out there.

[@BearBig70]

Chris "labels" Hedges is at least worth hearing out. Especially if the swampy dems try to silence him.

[@diegob8319]

Orwell said the same thing about western international media's coverage of the Spanish Civil War. The big liberal papers painted it as a struggle between nice milquetoast liberal Democracy and fascism, when it was at least every bit as much a popular revolution against fascism and capitalism simultaneously. (Not to mention a civil war within the civil war, within the left itself, between the bourgeois Republic and its authoritarian stalinist backers, and the militant popular anarchist and trotskyite militias who advocated for immediate collectivization of land and industry) Never trust a British or American paper to paint an adequate picture of another country's revolution

[@samaval9920]

Or even in their own countries.

[@Arjava.]

That's right, except anarchism doesn't work and authoritarianism is a liberal buzzword

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

​@@Arjava. That's a separate discussion for some other time.

[@JuanMercado91]

​@Arjava. Because ppl want power and even ML's will betray their brothers and sisters for it? Yeah super unfortunate for anarchism.

[@dre1426]

Orwell was literally a stooge of British intelligence who ratted out journalists and activists as “communist sympathizers” 😭 It’s why his stupid books became so popular in western culture. Because they’re useful propaganda against any anti-capitalist or anti-imperialist power that managed to survive and stabilize itself. It’s easy to cry authoritarianism when one is at an ideological dead end and has never had to partake in the process of building power. Anarchists from the 1910s would look at the modern state of organizing and think that it needs a serious overhaul. Those people were far more militant, actually took the effort of organizing labor, and had a political program. But I suppose they didn’t have decades of Cold War and red scare propaganda holding them back. I for one am frightened at the ease of which the extreme right has been building power and influence in western countries all over (and in the case of France recently, the right was handed power by the centrist government to keep the left out!). And their rabid anti-immigrant and Islamaphobic scapegoating is only going to get worse in the coming decades when climate change creates an even greater refugee crisis. So I absolutely don’t want to hear an almost century long grudge about the fucking Spanish Civil War continue to be perpetuated.

[@ZachTheRantingGuy]

Chris Hedges is such a truth teller. I could listen to him all day. He is like fine wine and he speaks facts.

[@AlexanderDunetz]

Zach : Chris Hedges is my classmate Charles (Chuck) Fuller from public high school (1965-9) MKHS in Alhambra , CA , USA. Back then I was the fire-breathing revolutionary and Chuck was the timid political neophyte. Today Chuck is the "guru". I remain in awe of his commitment and accomplishments .

[@wendyfay16]

@@AlexanderDunetz FYI ~ Chris announced on X that he was just abruptly sacked from his weekly interview program on “The Real News.” Very grateful this morning to TRT for inviting him on, his voice is so necessary, and yet the cowardly forces continue to try to suppress him. 'They' have gained yet another scalp but will have lost a lot of friends. The only friends they'll have now, are the ones they've bought. When/if you Unsubscribe from TRNN, make sure to leave a Comment giving your reason Why …

[@wendyfay16]

FYI ~ Chris announced on X that he was just abruptly sacked from his weekly interview program on “The Real News.” Very grateful this morning to TRT for inviting him on, his voice is so necessary, and yet the cowardly forces continue to try to suppress him. 'They' have gained yet another scalp but will have lost a lot of friends. The only friends they'll have now, are the ones they've bought. When/if you Unsubscribe from TRNN, make sure to leave a Comment giving your reason Why …

[@ZachTheRantingGuy]

@@AlexanderDunetz Oh my! That’s amazing. I’d love to hear all about it.

[@BearBig70]

​@ZachTheRantingGuy I too, went to school with Chris Hedges.

[@1972543]

🎉🎉🎉 chris hedges …a great joirnslist of our time .Thank you for your work on truth ,justice and fairness .There is hope in journslism and fair media with giants like chris .

[@d.thorpe2046]

I slept in Zuccotti park and spent a night in the custody of NYPD. I remember seeing Mr Hedges there. (He's one of my heroes) long live the revolution!

[@dannyferguson9415]

Great Interview. I cant wait to read Mr. Bevins book.

[@nathan4599]

How did banks and corporations maintain control you ask? They were never punished in the first place.

[@greenguerrilla]

Again, an educational and interesting conversation on this show.❤

[@llkoolbean4935]

Divest, boycott and defund. Its the only power we the people have left.

[@brilliantmalcolm1544]

and GOD!!!

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

We still have the ability to build gallows.

[@dannydenison6253]

Hell yea! but also unions

[@tyfromuzi5871]

There are lots of nuts holts and screws accessible in a machine no longer working for us, eventually units can be disabled while we figure how to all be doing well evenly again, natural time outs lol.. we can only be beat so many times till it will make us stop working rather than output, in this case it takes eventually seeing a better path to consider taking further steps

[@antonyjh1234]

The only problem with these three is it doesn't mention what we will evolve to, we can't devolve back to God and we will evolve, what we will take with us is the question, hopefully not more dominance hierarchies with no real goal of making things sustainable.

[@athomeinmyhead]

I am blown away at how Bevins is able to take broad complicated concepts, and distill them down to a sentence or two that drives right to the heart of the issue. Amazing skill.

[@lmcgready]

Spot on! It's because he KNOWS his stuff and is passionate about it. 🌞

[@BrenTenn]

You have contributed to my life greatly Professor Finkelstein. I am a better man just by knowing who you are. Your words and attitude have given me the courage to have my voice heard. Eternally grateful 🙏

[@Abe-h4p]

Hedges really is a mastermind. He’s giving us viewers a guide to a solution. Those of you who feel isolated because of your conditions. You are not! We have a road map thanks to activists like Chomsky, kulinski, Zinn, and Yates-sexton and Hedges! This is gold here folks! Remember, the revolution is a perpetual struggle! It doesn’t stop! Don’t stop! ✊🏼

[@JuanMercado91]

Just saying I don't think Kyle and Chris are on the same page at all. Kyle still thinks electoral politics can get us somewhere. Hedges has no such delusions.

[@Abe-h4p]

@@JuanMercado91 show me where he says this

[@JuanMercado91]

@user-lo6du8el2u his entire platform is based around policy and who has good vs who has bad policy and why, when he isnt solely focused on Trump and that circle on the far right. It's not information that should be ignored but his goals are far different than Chris's is all I'm saying.

[@JuanMercado91]

Or just a focus on politicians in general.

[@Abe-h4p]

@@JuanMercado91 I can agree with that.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

It's very simple. No movement will live long if it doesn't have a strict organization, a mission statement an objective demands and heavy organization. Good bad or neutral, no movement can exist as an amorphous blob. Nothing gets done that way. And if we think this way we will always lose because the other side will always be more organized than we. So those people really had a lot to learn. Hopefully now they've learned it and we can move on. Power to the people, friends.

[@Redpoppy80]

Movements don't come together like that especially in the USA where there are so many small outlying factions. We don't have a unifying culture to rally around here. In China for example the communist party was able to unify under the banner of being a more unified China, but they have thousands of years of interaction with each other and no CIA sabotaging them to death. If we tried to unify under one banner, then everyone else not under that banner gets repulsed away and nothing changes. We also have an obsession with moral purity rather than winning the day which only hurts us. The normal person has a defeatist mentality in the USA, that is how we have been programed.

[@totonow6955]

Organization is power. Victory for the people is a choreographed dance around issues of power. Organization yes but this must be in dialectical tension with organization's contradiction in order to produce the third point - victory.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

@@totonow6955 I'm sure you're right and that's all very poetic and beautiful but the truth is we live in a practical world where we have to get down to brass tacks. We can stay in a world of ideas or we can get out there and try to fight through the system. I see no way forward but through the pre-existing political structure. We can demonstrate all day but that's not going to change laws. Unfortunately unpleasant laws and courts exist. Public action matters but I think it's even more important to try to get organized both in front of and behind the scenes. The time for getting better people elected is now. Demonstrations are great and all but the Black Panthers showed that it starts with organizing and trying to get our own people elected. So did Eugene Debs. I think to to think otherwise is just wish fulfillment. We can start locally- there are the courts, and room for various lawsuits, then there are left political parties, getting our measures on the ballot, and trying to win political seats. If the other side can organize, why can't we? We just don't have the MSM conglomerates behind us but who cares? That doesn't make it impossible, just harder.

[@totonow6955]

​@@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999 The brass tacks alone pov would be comforting if it was true. This project is not that easy. Notice Chris Hedges is a writer that often refers to fiction as well as non fiction. Let this be a clue. Perhaps Lackoff Metaphors We Live By would be helpful and appeal to your sensibilities. Solidarity comrade. We will all work together.

[@theresabarzee1463]

Move on to what!?

[@catherinerodgers9470]

Thank you Chris. I buy the most books from your podcasts. Just got this one. Your authors are so interesting I can't resist buying their books.

[@Todoolidoo]

I am actually reading this book now

[@tyfromuzi5871]

Watched a couple interviews about it, but this is the one I decided I need a copy 😄 I was trying to give similar perspective lectures on these events at parties when we watched them, but I see here a wealth better granular detail

[@claudiaborges8406]

There’s many books about anarchist history of the USSR and the Russian revolutions, from George Woodcock to Emma Goldman to Alexander Berkman

[@sewellanne]

As a 15M protester in Spain, I think Spain was among the first to launch protests worldwide.

[@Johnconno]

'The outbreak of Democracy which occurred in the 1960's must never be repeated.'

[@theresabarzee1463]

ha!

[@Johnconno]

@@theresabarzee1463 I'm afraid that's a genuine quote. 🕳️

[@rebellerevelle]

I can't believe they cancelled Chris Hedges show and deleted the last episode with Dennis Kucinich. These are important voices we need to here and it's a shame they're being silenced on this channel!

[@BretHazlett]

Censorship , he’s not a puppet for our government ? He did say the execution of George Floyed though. We all thought that until you watch The Fall of Minneapolis. Learn about the political influence FBI etc. and the lies. Looks more like he over dosed … the angle of the knee on Floyed.

[@loiswilcken1758]

I just learnd that Hedges' show has been terminated. This does not speak well of The Real News.

[@manueldavidson1398]

I think The Real News Network made a huge mistake letting Chris Hedges go. He is a great example of what real journalism is really all about.

[@anthonybombaci5266]

That's precisely why they let him go - the powers that be no longer wanted quality journalism.

[@jeanetteberwick2434]

Truth tellers We Thankyou for everything WORLDWIDE 🌐 🌐🌐💯

[@raybcross1]

This is an amazing discussion of the successes and failures of the protest movement in this era. Thanks!

[@raybcross1]

Occupy Wall Street had phenomenal success, at the beginning, but what happened. This is what happened, on every level, in so many different societies. I was significantly involved in OWS in NYC. This is a phenomenal autopsy. Live by horizontal social media... die by horizontal social media.

[@NocturnalDoom]

Unsubscribed since the show won’t go on. Thank you Chris for all your amazing work 🎉 shame on “real news”

[@tyfromuzi5871]

It's nice to hear well articulated scholarly perspective on these points, I recall at the time of many of these events giving similar take presentations at parties, so it's nice years later to hear well qualified background into these matters Bless all people, a society ensuring the well being of it's individuals and their rights will thrive well beyond one person attempting to harness everyone, Well being for all~ Both of you very excellent and appreciated speakers to these matters 🙏🙇

[@kevinbill9574]

I've never heard such intellectual and moral chaos expressed so elegantly. "Someone said "That's a Leninist deviation!" so they exploded the movement!" I admire some of what Chris does but I just cannot fathom how people who are clearly highly intelligent can spend their lives expending so much hot air on abstract concepts that have nothing to do with actual power or justice. Your concepts are not a map or model of anything. God help us

[@JuanMercado91]

You can't defend against violence en masse without hierarchical structures. The trick is to create a heirarchy that is decision based only but where ppl can be replaced as seen fit by the people who they are leading.

[@tempacc9589]

Thank you Chris and RIP TNN.

[@edwardlarkin4279]

Thank you Chris Hedges for this wonderful interview of Vincent Bevins. The subject is bottomless in trying to understand and wanting to learn more. Seems like a start would be to read "If We Burn." and to study revolutionary history. This presentation on The Real News Network certainly created this desire.

[@mushin0247]

brilliant ! thank you

[@citizenenak]

Giving someone the idea of defeat is a victory in a sense for the one suggesting things that may not be true.

[@dulmmv]

Shame on the Real News for getting rid of Chris Hedges, he's a world treasure

[@deleonjulian1]

Organize! Organize! Organize!

[@theresabarzee1463]

So fabulous a talk! I will get book for sure! And need to listen all the way through again, at least once! Chris, your interviews have brought so very many wonderful political writers, thinkers, speakers and activists to us. What would we do without those fine introductions linking us to your own reading and studied scholarship. Bless you forever. Wishing I could help financially. You deserve such funding as the best elders of your field do too! Free Julian. Take on the fools in power. Peace. -T.

[@mickimicki5576]

This channel reminds me why I'm not a far left lunatic. I am happy to be a liberal with solid liberal values.

[@acesfullmike5371]

Thanks for what I found to be a very informative and important interview.

[@damali-karlawhittaker6462]

I will listen to his audiobooks. I found them on KZbin.

[@damali-karlawhittaker6462]

It was only Vincent Bevin doing his 2024 book tour. But still an interesting topic.

[@wendyfay16]

Chris announced on X that he was just abruptly sacked from his weekly interview program on “The Real News.” Very grateful this morning to TRT for inviting him on, his voice is so necessary, and yet the cowardly forces continue to try to suppress him. 'They' have gained yet another scalp but will have lost a lot of friends. The only friends they'll have now, are the ones they've bought. When/if you Unsubscribe from TRNN, make sure to leave a Comment giving your reason Why.

[@penelopehill9710]

Vincent Bevins organizes my memory of 2010 forward into an understanding news of those spectacles and protests. Elucidating!

[@jacquelinemarie6325]

Great interview, as always.

[@pavilionator]

Bring Hedges back.

[@loninappleton]

Testing, testing. Was not able to comment elsewhere on the cancellation. And this is a two weeks ago program b/c RealNews pulled down the Dennis Kucinich interview. Will Bill Fletcher Jr be next?

[@helengabr5743]

Very interesting 🤔👍 power to the people! 🇪🇬🇯🇴✌️🇺🇸

[@justinlanan2565]

Thank you. Great interview.

[@umalaurenbowman7276]

The leaderless idea for a movement cannot work in real life. The ideal solution would not be to have one leader (we know how that turns out), but a "team" or small group of five to seven people who would work by consensus.

[@Arjava.]

Hmm like a politburo, sounds good

[@umalaurenbowman7276]

@@Arjava. Or like Switzerland, which has an executive council of seven people. Just one leader always seems to bring egomaniacs and cult of personality.

[@CTE-StephenBoyle]

We had an insightful member during Occupy Detroit. He declared us to be a LEADERFUL organization. So many groups became autonomous and worked together and within themselves quite well. Conflicts happened between personalities, but over-all we knew we were best working together. 💪

[@100BlaQRaok.el_1]

Chris is the most❤🌟🌟🌟🌟👑🔥

[@LynetteA68]

Daaaamnnnn that song takes me places!! Those were the days when people (WE) still knew how to fight!!! The powerful couldn’t have that!!!

[@aldbentley]

I have unsubscribed from The Real News Network. Removing Chris Hedges means I can no longer trust your channel. Whoever made the decision, you totally sold out! Shame on you!

[@falsificationism]

So disappointed they sacked Hedges. It was good while it lasted, TRNN.

[@jM-bs3yc]

Just unsubscribed from the real news, on account of them firing Chris Hedges.

[@joshjames253]

Can’t believe y’all fired Chris Hedges!!?? WTF???

[@khafrekhufu7259]

Can we get the real news network to cover the story on the 215 unmarked graves in mississippi? This is a major story. A lot of people and families are greatly affected by the revelation and atrocities of the law enforcement in mississippi...

[@theresabarzee1463]

wow!

[@liamow2747]

When he says things like far right I know he's completely compromised

[@zanybanany25]

Oh wow this such an informative video! #truth #freedom

[@dannydenison6253]

Very informative

[@peterland2824]

Fascinating talk. Explained things which I would perhaps have been skeptical about at the outset but laid plausible arguments out - highly recommendable. BTW Chris Hedges is a great asset to this channel!

[@Sameasbefore88]

UNSUBSCRIBING BECAUSE YOU CANCELED CHRIS’S SHOW. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE…. SO MUCH FOR FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT.

[@DigitalAlchemyst]

To answer your initial 3 questions 1 not enough fire 2 not enough fire 3 more fire

[@crinklecut3790]

I’m done with RNN. They folded under pressure. I can get that on MSM.

[@neilpollicino80]

Important discussion that enlightens.

[@johnbolger2625]

Chris hedges was the best show on real news. Bye

[@EditFahey]

Behaviours emerge in groups of animals on one side of the world and after is replicated somewhere else without social media!!! Imagine what could be done !

[@theresabarzee1463]

Yes! Bamboo also blooms at the same time all over the world! How!?

[@i7925]

Shame on "thE rEal NEwS NeTWORk" for cancelling Chris Hedges. I have unsubscribed and am encouraging everyone to do the same!

[@nightoftheworld]

Very thoughtful/nuanced take-the silent drum in the background here is Zizek◼️ - please bring him on & discuss his book Christian Atheism 🙏

[@tyfromuzi5871]

Very great conclusionary points, depth of resounding

[@terrymoser2028]

Myself as individual? Myself as part of ❤❤❤ Devided we fall 😢😢😢

[@liveontheverandah]

As Chomsky said at the time Occupy was wonderful but they had no way of taking protest to effective policy change. Why do you think the Unions in the UK formed the Labour Party?

[@lmcgready]

Thanks Chris. I read your book American Facists in 2009! Still have it and go back to read chapters as a reminder.

[@conradski777]

Did he say the execution of George Floyd?

[@negusresurrected]

I really enjoyed learning from Vincent.

[@df3575]

Been hoping this sitdown happened....

[@ourbleakhouse]

I UNSUBSCRIBED & I encourage others to do so. REMOVING HEDGES is not acceptable.

[@cascademeridian529]

Very disappointing you've canceled Chris Hedges, apparently in the sleaziest way possible.

[@Andraste26]

When rich babies can’t get what they want they lash out. Chris Hedges out here doing the real work. Lol unsubscribed.

[@ClaySanford-e8o]

This book looks like a very interesting read. Thanks

[@Cyberphunkisms]

identity politics killed occupy

[@chris-terrell-liveactive]

I will get this book, thank you.

[@nicka731]

This channel is useless without Hedges

[@debbsplab42]

Damn. You rocked my worldview with this one, Chris. Thank you. Every leftist should watch this.

[@reubenyancey9899]

Brilliant

[@lucassteinruck6986]

Don't forget about the failed coup in Turkey

[@omegahaddad833]

It is very critical for a horizontal to be created initially with loud voices, but in the backdrop, and then backstage, there should be a leadership for the protesters to have someone to speak to Power. Today we’re seeing very limited core leaders speaking to Power, even after all the exhausting horizontals that have been demonstrated for instance now on the anti-genocide movement . Core protest leaders must come from power to face power.

[@PaulHosse]

Excellent interview!

[@user-zm3nq1kh2h]

Does exist a similar study about de great mass protests more recent?? Like Friday for Future or the propalestine movements, what could be an estrategy localy or globaly ???

[@Montebruno]

Ive not read his book. But have there been a post-mortem analysis of the recent chilean popular movement that arguably deflated?

[@jamessmithers4456]

The struggle against the US war against Vietnam became a vast world wide popular peoples' movement... US All over Europe Japan South Korea Canada Australia India Indonesia, Thailand Brazil ... In parallel there was the uprising in Paris, which spured revolts in Spain, Italy, Greece...The cultural revolution in China..

[@enkaiscott]

Very good interview, great insights. The whole time listening the Occupy Wall Street movement and subsequent movements come to mind. He is so right media comes on scene and finds the voice to fit their narrative and so steers the movement by selecting its representation unless leadership is established.

[@Nebulation]

Everyone here is ordering off amazon. You're all full of it.

[@davidskalski7751]

I love the video and content but I am always fast forwarding through the intro and your abstract that you provide.

[@helenkwah]

I am un-subscribing from the Real News because they've fired Chris Hedges.

[@micheleyapur2065]

You have lost your soul by letting Chris Hedges go. unsubscribed

[@NeverCryWolf64]

No Analysis of Extinction Rebellion?

[@jamessmithers4456]

The HK movement which erupted into suvccessive periods of bigger and bigger mass mobilization scale and intensity fits very much into the analysis set out in this discussion. "Water, we are like water and will flow to the points of least resistance. We have no leaders, no structure, we are water".

[@Lyra0966]

This channel now disgusts me. Cancelling Chris Hedges's show because he criticises Biden. What the hell does the Real News Network stand for? Alvarez, you are a sell out!

[@EkaterinaKokurina]

I am unsubscribing from this channel after they fired Chris Hedges. Shame on you! Not REAL news!

[@allonesame6467]

Movements not a failure. It continues.

[@-solidsnake-]

Sorry real news network, i only watch for Chris hedges so ☮️

[@lincolnpork9357]

Bevin has no special or novel knowledge or skill in his analyses of mass protests in this interview: the cadence then cascade of his dialogue in conjunction with his body language ( *especially* hand movements, head, facial expression, etc ) is highly suspicious [to me], but he, and sadly Hedges, seems oblivious of the *key fact* about much of the shortcomings he iterates: the *superficiality and lack of any real depth of knowledge* by these "masses". This alone explains the "50 or 60" protestors he mentions, and Hedges mentioning Kropotkin capping the number at 150 protestors. Bevin obfuscates/conflates this with his story of the free fares in mass transit/Movimento Passe Livre cause, unable to train numerous new joining-protestors, on a single, fairly simple issue, about a simple procedural process of how to progress that single issue. *No mention* of how far were these mass protesters willing to go.... inhibitions by priestcraft {religion}, "stay back from my wallet", and of course cultural hegemony/'tradition'.... and *the Original Sin* - individual ownership of Land ( why is it *your* property?).... just the obvious, and wise conclusion that vested interests will do all they and their well-paid minions, to thwart such 'impudence' .