Surviving Forerunners - Lore and Theory

In this episode: We look at the Forerunners who survived the firing of the Halo Array.
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[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

The Forerunners are so technologically advanced, it’d be near impossible to survive unless you had Chief’s plot armor.

[@autumngottlieb3071]

I'm generally more willing to call it gameplay armor.

[@ProvidenceNL]

Well, the Librarian said that his armor was something that she planned for. Still plot armor, but plot armor that at least has a bit of logic.

[@lilsammich8252]

Diadect lasted a lot longer.

[@ethanwagner6418]

@Audio Sugar luck is Chief's canonical plot armor.

[@markmulder9845]

I think you mean chiefs MK-5 or 6 Mjolnir powered plot Armour. XD

[@mike_y0st]

Riser’s comment about he and Born-Stellar’s descendants, hoping that one day they would “Reunite and act like brothers, making trouble and finding strength together” sparked an interesting thought. Born-Stellar and Chanto-Green had a son. They, on their extra-galactic dwelling that they banished themselves to, could repopulate the Forerunner population within the 100,000 years between the firing of the array and 2552. Of course they chose to live a simple life with no technology, but their children and other descendants would surely make technological progress, as that is the way of life (particularly in the Halo Universe). Now imagine if Riser’s comment came true. What if the Forerunners DID return, especially at such a crucial time where all hope for humanity seems to be lost with the Created ruling the Galaxy. What if the “Hope” that Born-Stellar mentioned was his progeny coming to save the Galaxy from the Created, uniting with humanity against Cortana and her cronies? I would LOVE to see that plot line.

[@VainerCactus0]

As far as I can remember, only Born-Stellar, Chant and their son were on that world. It would be impossible to repopulate from just them alone.

[@mike_y0st]

VainerCactus 0 Ah, I didn’t know that. Well, perhaps they could still have a chance regardless (if they ere to do it Adam/Eve style).

[@VainerCactus0]

@@mike_y0st Alabama in space?

[@mike_y0st]

VainerCactus 0 hahaha. I mean who cares how many branches the tree has as long it grows tall, right?

[@VainerCactus0]

@@mike_y0st lol

[@markmulder9845]

With that part about the humans and forerunners hoping their descendants would meet and become brothers. Its a bittersweet end to the forerunner human relations. I do hope we get to see that some day.

[@alemirdikson]

I have a headcanon/fanfic going where the descendents of the post-Halo Event Forerunners who self-exiled, had made their way back into the Galaxy. Their ancestors had removed as much trace of their technology as possible, effectively kicking themselves back to the Stone Age. By 2575, the year they made first contact with the UNSC, their tech was roughly equivalent to that of Humanity of the 2400's or so. Once it is discovered that this newer, younger species are in fact Forerunner descendents, they are dubbed Foreigners, referencing their origin in a satellite Galaxy outside of Milky Way, while also playing on their ancestry. The Foreigners have a mythologized understanding of their ancestors and their deeds, including their own version of a "Great Journey", but to them that journey was a last stand between their Gods and Demons, and that their homeworld in this satellite galaxy was simply the last bastion of the Gods. For this reason, the Great Journey was not something to be celebrated or repeated, but remembered solemnly, as the end of their gods' reign, and the beginning of their own civilization. They also developed a culture heavily encouraging exploration and travel, and settling new places, and with other nations. At first, trading members between tribes. Then immigrating between nations. Then settling other worlds in different stars. Now, the Milky Way, or what they called the Great Heavens. Foreigners are encouraged from an early age to travel, see the world, learn what they can. It is considered a deep shame to die where you are born, unless you do so only after having lived a rich life elsewhere, returning only for one last look before passing. Now The Foreigners have members scattered among the UEG, Covenant, and the Free Worlds, which are a collection of former Rebel outer colonies, now independent of Earth, as well as a few former Covenant worlds. As well of this, they still maintain their own small collection of planets on the edge of the Milky Way nearest their home, alongside members of a sect of Ancient Humanity, calling themselves The Reclaimers, which escaped the Forerunner Massacre and the Halo Genocide, in their words. (They're a long story unto themselves, not gonna go into that here) I like coming up with scenarios for sci-fi/fantasy universes which add unexpected elements, however unlikely. Introducing new factions, and seeing how existing ones would interact with them. This scenario is among my favorites I've come up with in the last few years.

[@bennuredjedi]

It would be perfect to see Forerunners and Ancient Humans return in Halo Infinite that set the stage for another series of Halo games,to also include those other Alien civilizations that existed during that time.

[@markmulder9845]

I would love to see Ancient humans. Especially maybe what the covenants reaction to them would be. It would also amuse me to see ancient humans and forerunners (not the insane ones like a certain diadact) discover what covies did to modern humanity and their reaction.

[@aslysa2277]

No ancient humans would ever show up they were all either destroyed by the halo firings/ killed by the flood or digitized by the composer

[@SpartanJoe193]

There is a Forerunner in Infinire named "Grand Edict" iirc.

[@noodlecat_]

Soooooo would this Precursor A.i be the most advanced A.i in the halo universe , considering its Precursor origin and it being connected to the domain or would the built for purpose A.i's like Offensive and Mendicant still take the top spots

[@Forerunner2]

I’m assuming Abaddon would be higher. If I am understanding what the Halo wiki and 3 novels in which the Forerunners appeared in, the Precursors were so advanced that their thoughts became reality somehow. I think that by itself shows that Abaddon would be superior

[@BESTMOAD]

@@Forerunner2 they had the reality stone

[@a.r.h9919]

​​@@Forerunner2 it would be transentient ai made of neural physics honestly I'm not sure at that point the term ai is applicable to Abaddon like if you were to call a wooden raft a spaceship

[@shaenni9122]

Installation00. Actually the halo array got made and distributed over 110000years ago. Not 97000. And the didact was insane before he got put into the crytum by the librarian. She was hoping he would be fixed in there, but with no active domain he didn't and couldn't be fixed. And medicant bias only had 1 fragment of him on the ark. The rest of the fragments were sent to different parts of the galaxy.

[@RyanJones567]

I would love to see more live forerunners in the games! That would be awesome!

[@FelixUmbra]

Well, theBuilder is still alive. So there is a chance to meet them. That would be cool.

[@thecatfather857]

@@FelixUmbra I'd say make him the next one we see. Fingers crossed we see him in Halo Infinite.

[@TheTupacSoldier7]

Felix Umbra you mean Faber? I thought he died when Mendicant destroyed the greater Ark

[@UNSCPILOT]

Ideally some "sane" Forerunners or even a new generation of them that made it to one of the shield worlds and carried on

[@felixthescholarlytitan4437]

So despite Bornstellar being molded into the Ur Didactic’s image and thinking, the Ur and ISO clearly had some differences in thinking and how they saw went about things. So if the Librarian was Humanities greatest protector and the Ur Didactic was it greatest threat/adversary, what would the ISO Didactic have been for Humanity? I’d honestly love to see a video about the differences between the two Didactics.

[@Alltzero]

Quick question: how come none of the ancient human or forerunner fleets were found by the current races? I mean a few ships here and there happen, but the flood had control over massive fleets and the forerunners had to have fleets to combat that. Not sure if I missed some lore somewhere, but it definitely seems like there should be more sightings of the forerunner and ancient human ships around the galaxy

[@ethanhooper8606]

Maybe they had gotten destroyed because of unstable orbits around stars/ black holes or Planets?

[@markmulder9845]

Ancient Human warships and colonies are a rarity as the Forerunners, after defeating the humans, literally did everything they could to destroy all traces of ancient humanity in the ultimate act of spite, with the rest being lost to time. Only a handful of scattered relics of ancient humans have been found by modern humanity. As for the forerunners, many of their ships were destroyed during the war with the flood. Those that survived were stored away for later species to discover in large caches, used in the forerunners exodus from the milky way, lost to time, or simply the forerunners forgot what they did with em and no one ever found out.

[@joshuahinkel6870]

I believe the firing of the halos destroyed them. I think the book mentioned at some point that the only forerunner tech(or any civilizations for the matter) to survive the firing of the halos were those on shield worlds.

[@Brandelwyn]

Ships were found though, or at least one

[@hummerskickass]

@@joshuahinkel6870 only the key ships where destroyed. Except for the one that became the power source for high charity.

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

9:08 Can you even imagine the grotesqueries of Forerunner sexual relations? Just pulling stray hairs out of those fangs for days afterwards.

[@daka3785]

yo what the fuck

[@themc.kennyshow6585]

@@daka3785 lmao. That guy was tripping

[@tatotaytoman5934]

ngl that section caught me off guard

[@Gyrfalcon312]

Askin' an Important Question, I see. 😆

[@Gyrfalcon312]

The Forerunners have some of the coolest names (honorifics?) I've seen in sci-fi. So imaginative, and evocative. Of course, your breakdown as to their ultimate fates was very interesting, too, Double Zero.

[@user-sk6pt8oe7y]

I just discovered this channel earlier this week. I am a huge fan now! There's been so much lore that I didn't understand prior, so thanks a lot for all this!

[@spartanalex9006]

A short story about a group of humans settling on a distant world only to meet a group of friendly humanoid aliens, working with them to build a world fit for both and then later having them learn that they were both regressed descendants of ancient enemies would make for a great story and a good close for the Forerunner story over all.

[@Accultus]

Love the videos. Heads up Abaddon is Hebrew, pronounced in English usually, as Ah-bah-dawn. Much love brother.

[@FBI-ju5no]

WWWWAAAAAIIIITTT, in Halo 5, Cortana interacts with the Domain, indeed we go there. How is the Ur Didact unable to access it?

[@Ratkill9000]

Great video as always. Sorry you had to re upload this. Hope all is well!

[@Ambulatory_Viscount]

There were, seemingly at least a few dozen or a few hundred Forerunners that survived the Array's activation and left the galaxy. I wouldn't be surprised if a suitably large enough group of them came together and decided to maintain and safeguard the knowledge they had, and continue on, under a reformed government.

[@thorshammer7883]

How durable is the material the Forerunners used for their ships and armor?

[@MrMcp1995]

Well the Keyship that powered High Charity crashed into the Prophet homeworld and did this, www.halopedia.org/images/4/44/Waypoint_-_Janjur_Qom.png , sat embedded in the planet's crust for a hundred thousand years, then took off into space, dragging behind it a multi-hundred kilometer wide chunk of crust that would become the base for High Charity as if nothing had happened. So, pretty durable.

[@tavianarmstrong974]

@@MrMcp1995 and only now do i find the ending of halo ce to be weird. a keyship doing that but a nuke breaking the ring? what kind of weird standard?

[@killerbacontwofourzero8438]

@@tavianarmstrong974 it's partially due to the rings being made of smaller parts

[@tavianarmstrong974]

@@killerbacontwofourzero8438 oh god please help. now i'm questioning how the havoc destroyed the mantle's approach

[@MrMcp1995]

@@tavianarmstrong974 The bomb was detonated directly over a slipspace rupture and probably destabilized it, which tore the ship apart since unrestricted slipspace + unshielded matter = bad things.

[@Era_SoNER]

"Bastion would require an impossible amount of reconciliation to be moved" suggesting that its even bigger / more dense than Onyx / Trevelyan This could set up a /very/ interesting premise for Halo: Infinite (or the one after)

[@war120496]

Ayy. Someone finally talks about tragic solitude. Nobody seems to know this character.

[@Chrissteve1107]

Keep up the good work, and don't worry about the time it takes between videos. We're patient enough to wait, that's where the good content comes from.

[@Andrew87454]

Up till this point I thought the iso Didact died when he fired the halo's. Nice to hear he had a happier end, dose anyone know which novel that story is from?

[@ulrichweiss9912]

It's from the Forerunner Saga, a trilogy by Greg Bear.

[@Rrgr5]

What about ancient humans survivors? Maybe some escape from the war, and went far away and got out of the halo "blast" radius, maybe the forerunners spare some in secret...

[@spartanajax1831]

Maybe not that, but instead our ancient San Shyuum allies, which would continue to help humanity, and that's how I got here. Maybe I'm a 8ft 11 (without armor) super Spartan, with the Inheritor gene. Time will tell if the flood return again, on a special mega colony planet of ours.

[@Goingcrazy211]

Can you talk about possibility of surviving precursors next?

[@Installation00]

Already in the works

[@caseynelson9289]

I love these videos could listen to them all day

[@snakem4a164]

This is a video that needs to be updated with more information

[@bramabull111]

The amount of ads I've been experiencing is insane

[@mattmc9812]

I hope we can meet abaddon in future

[@inuboy867]

Great work, thank you.

[@BobBob-up8fz]

So the Iso Didact and Chant basically mirror the Libraian and Ur Didact. What happened to the son they had?

[@nikopfalzer2987]

Welcome back brother black

[@crabLT]

Great the video is fixed now. What happened by the way?

[@Zeritye]

I'm confused, and maybe a little late on the video. I wasn't aware of any material that talks about Forerunners after the firing of Halos... Is this in one of the books? which one?

[@jj003333]

Where did the first video go?

[@Ace2up]

I wonder if there are fake shield worlds like the halo rings have multiple control rooms (like what we see in halo 2 where in the mission gravemind were we are in a control room like area and tartarus is in another control room in great journey) because in halo wars 1 we were in a shield world called trove and we never encountered forerunners so are these fake shield worlds act like a tomb for the flood if they enter them

[@Roonsine]

Inb4 it disappears again

[@eyre73]

the forerunner Species has 5 fingers and a thumb so defo not related to ancient humans.

[@darthrevan7923]

Did the writers forget the iso diadect was immune too the composer due to his own tampering with his DNA. But you know forget about it.....

[@PackHunter117]

Why are Forerunners and Yonhet similar looking to humans? Why would the Precursors make humans after apes? How did the Forerunner on Genesis know how to speak English?

[@mxm23adregalusandmore62]

Well, i think its for artistical reasons mostly

[@PackHunter117]

MXM23 the realm project: Ok. What about the other things?

[@makodolphus7810]

The Yonhet, well... I blame artistic liberties/limitations for that. As for the Forerunners... You could argue that the Precursors saw something "useful" in the humanoid form, or that it was a mere coincidence, in canon. As for speaking English, it's not the first time a case like this has happened, and the answer is pretty much the same: They either have *really* good translation software, to the point it works without knowing who the target is (ie first CEA terminal), or our translation software is similarly good with the Forerunner language, or they know more than enough about us humans to figure it out themselves.

[@PackHunter117]

Xavier Hancock That’s true. The Covenant had to study us at Harvest for a long time before figuring out or language

[@tristanbackup2536]

They don't speak English otherwise stated in canon when they speak to us Humans directly, when they speak to thier own, it is in thier own language. Thel Vadam is an example who can speak both English & Sangheili. Grunts to in lore speak on average speak three languages as a side note. When playing as John, he has inbuilt Covenant language translation files for tactical purposes. When as Thel to other Covenant members, it is in Sangheili. But to the player, watcher & reader, it is usually all in English for story underatanding purposes.

[@jaylenpence9732]

Does anybody know where the information on abbodon is found?

[@timelordmagnums357]

I'm curious. The Didact composed all those people. Do you think Cortana will go to the composers forge and make more Prometheans from them or do you think she will be disgusted by the idea of using people from Earth since John is from there? I know she's pretty ruthless right now but is there still a soft spot for humans?

[@EtgGhoST]

David Dingess eridanus II is where John is from

[@timelordmagnums357]

@@EtgGhoST You are correct my bad, just more making a more vague reference to humanity.

[@paneynay]

I think she should bring back the composed forerunners and ancient humans the didact . . .composed.

[@windingroadelven]

So a Forerunner is mind the pun running around during Halo 5 and we don't even get to see him. How frustrating.

[@lilsammich8252]

Hello freaky poster!

[@jamesharvey3993]

What’s the freaky darlings thing about?

[@YOLO-tq3el]

yo that last guy the builder, what if he's the one who stopped the RING that ANDERSON (from Halo Wars 2) was on and will somehow be related to kick ass in halo infinity

[@Vash_Carrison]

Any plans for a timeline of the Halo Universe as it exists now before Infinite? A timeline of everything from the earliest known history till Infinite?

[@tristanbackup2536]

Read it up all Halopedia. It would take 6 months to read, watch & play all of Halo's media in canonical order. I know because I've done it. 😂

[@captinkrunk101]

I know this has nothing to do with the video but ive been wondering if you could do a comparison video of the spartan armor vs the ARS suit in the video game vanquish and the nano suit from crysis??

[@thebiggru2637]

ARS suit is overpowered compared to spartan armor.

[@philipramsden4975]

Is there a book I missed? Where did he get some of this story from?

[@zorawarsingh11]

Philip Ramsden hahaha bro look up halo silentium series you’re missing 3 books

[@philipramsden4975]

@@zorawarsingh11 Yeah I read all those. I'm mainly referring to when he was talking about all the stuff that happened with the surviving Forerunners after the firing of the Halos.

[@alejandromartinez3475]

Most or some came from halo fractures, I just read it. It's just a bunch of short stories

[@On_tubeyou5]

What do you think about hidden's halo vs videos especially the flood vs doom demons one? I think he could've debated a little harder than that. And would you think about doing vs videos in the future?

[@Crabdawg]

I feel like you post this same question on all his video's, it's far from the first time i've seen it.

[@On_tubeyou5]

Crabdawg heh yeah my 3rd time trying to get his opinion on this. Just curious since this dude really know his stuff when it comes to halo.

[@alenhasanovic4232]

the only thing i dont understand, why the f havent they indexted themselfs???

[@Tres_Nueve]

Why is this stuff so much cooler than the games?

[@gjtrue]

I'm still debating the Iso-Didact is still alive out there somewhere. How would Guilty Spark, or at least what was left of him, truly know if Iso was deceased or not? Wasn't he already assigned to Installation-04 before the Iso-Didact left the galaxy with the other Forerunners?

[@DarkNoiseBW]

He wouldn't know. Once a monitor he remained known as Monitor Chakas. When assigned to 04 just before their firing the Iso-Didact gave him his new designation personally as 343-Guilty Spark. At some point, before or after arriving on 04, Guilty Spark's memory was then compartmentalised including those memories of his own past and identity and cut off from communications other than routine check-in's with the other installations. As years wear on, he would eventually start to become unstable due to his isolation and little parts of his memory would come to the surface such as his line to Master Chief in HALO CE "Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it?" which has now been explained to have been he last thing the Iso-Didact had asked him before firing the array. After the event's of HALO 3, the Rubicon would find the damaged casing of Guilty Spark's Backup unit. This unit seems to have housed the compartmentalised memory of his past which once brought online began to reemerge and he began to reconcile with his identity, only being aware of his main unit's actions involving the Chief due to information in the ships database. Baring this in mind and with limited access to information, this Guilty Spark/Chakas now just known as Spark, may not have any clue of the remaining Forerunners surviving and leaving the Milky Way but up until he reached an essence left on Earth he was fully under the belief that the Librarian, Riser, and Vinnevra were still alive somehow.

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

Why does it seem like there is duplicate information in the second half.

[@viciouskoala2163]

Whooow,Whow,whow Your telling me we have a forerunner "conciseness" Forrunning around on Requiem Who is Also a BUILDER...?! Well we Know were chief is Getting his New Armor Now

[@LAV-III]

Do you think that overtime those surviving forerunners would forget their past and their history

[@phill13able]

Wait... Is Voldemort a forerunner? 😱😨

[@joshreyes3624]

Opening track??

[@charlesballiet7074]

if any lived I think they would be in the shield worlds

[@KatanaToraSan]

I'm trying to understand this complex information lol😋

[@df34788gmail]

They had a son! well what happened to him? is there any history on that ? Any info on that would be most appreciative, I'm quite curious; what a game changer that could be.!!!!!!!

[@ericg6154]

Cloning is possible right

[@teamdoghouse7920]

The Librarian had them buns tho. Just sayin.

[@isaiahdobesh5109]

But what *is* bastion!?

[@carsonbeckett9005]

I'm pretty sure from what I saw in another comment, I think its a giant Shield world.

[@KatanaToraSan]

Freaky darlings Forerunners. Inhale BOI!!!

[@milkeasubi5909]

Y d dislikes?

[@rookie4582]

Any lore pre-combat evolved? Besides the rainforest wars and Halo Wars? Like during our real life era.

[@sebanimega4189]

If you mean like 2019, or the past few thousand years, Halo pretty much follows our history exactly as far as I'm aware.

[@rookie4582]

Seb Animega yeah, or like the 2020’s-2070’s. I want to know how Earth is doing during this time.

[@sebanimega4189]

@@rookie4582 I'm not sure there's any information on it, but I do think it'd be cool to get some. Maybe not 2020s (that's too close), but closer to the 2070s.

[@talos2384]

Carnt wait to see forrunner rule 34! Said no one ever

[@toffeecrisp2146]

Abba-don, its abba-don.

[@off_Planet]

Man they better not drop Bastion and Maethrillian going forward. Don't fuck this up 343...

[@charlesballiet7074]

5:54 wait a min you mean to say bobby kotick the greedy EA CEO destroyed a forerunner?

[@TgamerBio5529]

27th attempt UNSC marines armour 28th attempt UNSC marines armour 29th attempt UNSC marines armour 30th attempt UNSC marines armour 31th attempt UNSC marines armour 32th attempt UNSC marines armour 33th attempt UNSC marines armour 34th attempt UNSC marines armour 35th attempt UNSC marines armour 36th attempt UNSC marines armour 37th attempt UNSC marines armour 38th attempt UNSC marines armour 39th attempt UNSC marines armour 40th attempt UNSC marines armour 41th attempt UNSC marines armour 42th attempt UNSC marines armour I WILL NOT STOP!!!!!!

[@Kawasaki10rr]

Abba-don not A-bad-din

[@timelordmagnums357]

How many humans do you think got didactisized when the composer got fired?

[@tavianarmstrong974]

composed*

[@TheShowdown16]

digitized*

[@dragonoffire5705]

Depends, which firing? Was it the two in halo 4? Was it the scene from the terminals? Or in all? Specify

[@timelordmagnums357]

@@dragonoffire5705 New Phoenix.

[@timelordmagnums357]

@@tavianarmstrong974 Just my fancy word for it LOL :) Didactisized :)

[@igkslife]

Why not go off topic a little, and talk about space? Like for example: What if there was a nation in space, and decided to become a neto member, or a Allie of a country on Earth? Like a independent Martian colony decided to Allie with USA, and a independent lunar colony Allie with Russia? How would that work?

[@holicekaderliiii6787]

What if the Cortana that Master Chief rescued in Halo was a fake created by the Flood Gravemind. It was created to act like the real Cortana but it did, in secret, the Graveminds bidding.

[@alexhartley390]

Freakky darlings???? Okkkkayyy.... Must be some werid British thing i guess?

[@jamesharvey3993]

Alexander Hartley he didn’t originally do that...it weirds me out, when the hell did it start and why???

[@kwarrior2895]

British gay terminology he is probably gay and maybe hinting at relationship issues.

[@rurutherussian]

Right...?? The first time I heard that I had to check if I clicked on the wrong video.

[@jamesharvey3993]

@@rurutherussian fr fr, I need an explanation!

[@sabasman]

Please stop the freaky darlings thing, not cool, kinda creepy, and not in line with the professional quality of content you produce, keep the latter up!