SurvivingAntidepressants.org Community Discussion

[@MedicatingNormal]

Research and further reading: Horowitz, Mark Abie, and David Taylor. “Tapering of SSRI Treatment to Mitigate Withdrawal Symptoms.” The Lancet Psychiatry 6, no. 6 (June 2019): 538-46. doi.org/10.1016/S2215-0366(19)30032-X. Horowitz, Mark Abie, Robin M. Murray, and David Taylor. “Tapering Antipsychotic Treatment.” JAMA Psychiatry, August 5, 2020. doi.org/10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2020.2166. Kotzalidis, Giorgio D., Barbara Patrizi, Saverio Simone Caltagirone, Alexia Koukopoulos, Valeria Savoja, Gaia Ruberto, Caterina Tatarelli, et al. “The Adult SSRI/SNRI Withdrawal Syndrome: A Clinically Heterogeneous Entity.” Clinical Neuropsychiatry 4, no. 2 (April 2007): 61-75. moh-it.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/the-adult-ssrisnri-withdrawal-syndrome-a-clinically-heterogeneous Scott, Ian A., Sarah N. Hilmer, Emily Reeve, Kathleen Potter, David Le Couteur, Deborah Rigby, Danijela Gnjidic, et al. “Reducing Inappropriate Polypharmacy: The Process of Deprescribing.” JAMA Internal Medicine 175, no. 5 (May 2015): 827-34. doi.org/10.1001/jamainternmed.2015.0324. Benzodiazepine Information Coalition. “Benzodiazepine Tapering Strategies and Solutions.” Benzodiazepine Information Coalition (blog), October 9, 2017. www.benzoinfo.com/2017/10/09/benzodiazepine-tapering-strategies-and-solutions/. Groot, Peter C., and Jim van Os. “Antidepressant Tapering Strips to Help People Come off Medication More Safely.” Psychosis 10, no. 2 (April 3, 2018): 142-45. doi.org/10.1080/17522439.2018.1469163. Lerner, Alicja, and Michael Klein. “Dependence, Withdrawal and Rebound of CNS Drugs: An Update and Regulatory Considerations for New Drugs Development.” Brain Communications 1, no. 1 (January 1, 2019). doi.org/10.1093/braincomms/fcz025.

[@celestepiccolo6586]

Revolutionary still. ❤ Thank you!

[@nigelbrown5647]

After struggling with side affects ofParoxetine (Paxil, Seroxat, Aropax) and now the shocking withdrawal, thank you so much for involving me in this event. I feel so much more hopeful. I will always be indebted to you. Especially Alto Strata, you deserve a Nobel Peace Prize!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Peter Breggin has a program for withdrawing from neurotoxic drugs!

[@dianemcmahan5159]

Ignorance is not bliss! Thank you for how you are helping normal become normal once again👍🏼👍🏼

[@darkprinceofdorne]

Beautifully written

[@alyssamiller9329]

Just watching this video makes me cry!!! I am currently almost 4 months off effexor. It's been pure hell. Even with taking other antidepressants. Nothing is touching the HORRIBLE withdrawals.

[@nicoleoleksuk8799]

so glad i found this group

[@wwxra]

After I got hurt by antidepressants, I've been much more aware of the food I'm eating. Food is the real medicine!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Food, aesthetic Talent Training and becoming Imago Viva Dei!

[@celestepiccolo6586]

Yes, real whole non- processed foods are healing.

[@joannascott5631]

Im a member of Cymbalta Hurts Worse and found this wonderful video via the forum. Thank you all for this.. look forward to watching the film

[@MedicatingNormal]

Ways to watch here: medicatingnormal.com/watch/

[@brendansmyth5053]

I’m a member of CHW too. Hi from Australia 🇦🇺👍🏻. I’m celebrating 4 years PAWS after my Doc tapered me off too fast. Life does get better however Cymbalta is a hell of a drug. My journey has been a long one. Good luck to you and your family 🙏🏻

[@mellopez1859]

I had a Phychiatrist who gave me Xanax for extreme anxiety , for over 4 years then he stopped , so I went to a program that gave me .5 clonopins /3 times a day then also stopped , abruptly , so I've been having to buy this drug from a person who I cannot mention , I've been to so many Phychiatrist now that won't help me because I did buy them from a person , they seem to not want to help now finally I had to go to a clinic / Samaritan village to finally help me get off this demon drug , but I wondered why I was abruptly stopped years ago without proper tapering ?? Before COVID

[@stevekaylor5606]

Howard Glasser would not allow you to get into these drugs. I read his 1st book - Igniting Greatness!

[@katrinapeacock8317]

Grateful to be able to learn from you all before I begin my taper. Thank you for sharing.

[@celestepiccolo6586]

I was taken to the doctor by my mom when I was experiencing nerve pain from previously having shingles. I was given Lyrica. Then a was in a trap. After that I was put on Cymbalta and then Paxil after that one. Lastly I was given Lexapro. Withdrawals between each always led to the next. This has been a 20 year journey. I’m currently on 0.14mg of liquid Lexapro.

[@vedatzorro]

I am from Turkey 99 percent of doctors they don't accept protracted withdrawal. Aslo my doctor. They say maximum a few months this could be continue. After all it's just "relapse" and you must take again your drug

[@stevekaylor5606]

Down with neurotoxic drugs!

[@carolinecroft7029]

Excellent video, very helpful.

[@user-vf8ti4dq3d]

im 10 years in, I've had severe skin problems and now scarring from this, so long term damage is also a possibility of this, still not better but fighting still and when the physical symptoms are over i have to deal with skin repair if even possible....unbelievable ......what in Gods name has happened to this world?

[@archiesimpson5172]

I have constant itching.

[@grv91vr23]

How are you now

[@stevekaylor5606]

Big money has Standard of Care psychiatry in its maw!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication, a cathexis!

[@jamescarew2976]

Why do they use the term protracted withdrawal, its not withdrawal at that point. Its injury.

[@rheannak3934]

29:45 same with Luvox :( and for those of us stuck on it after tapering so low, it’s one of the ones rarely discussed and we are isolated even further.

[@Phin13760]

20 years on antidepressants. I stopped them in 5 days. I still struggle. How long is this withdrawl going to last. It got a lil better but I still get anxiety, insomnia, and stomach problems. I've been off them 2.7 years.

[@alyssamiller9329]

5 days is very fast after being on 20 years 😮. Best of luck

[@reginastone7223]

God work 🙏🏽

[@montesa9136]

How do you know what's withdrawal verses a relapse? I was on Cipralex for 8 years and tapered off over four months. I was fine for another four months then crashed HORRIBLY! I'm still Heavily Depressed, but don't know if what I'm experiencing is a relapse or withdrawal? How can you know?

[@martinez4560]

How are you doing now?

[@privateperson5769]

I would describe tapering as finding a dose reduction amount that is bearable, but in no way will it be comfortable or symptomless. I cannot taper 10 % of my Benzo - 5 % is my absolute limit. I have unbearable symptoms when I try and cut by 1 mg of my long acting Benzo. I can only cut 0.5mg. I cannot go any faster even tho I want off NOW. Angela u r right. I don't tell my Dr sh*t . I do all of it myself. I will never go back to my Psychiatrist - she will want me off quick, and will not take my side effects seriously.The next Dr I go to, I am asking them what they know abt Benzo wdl, and what experience they have had with patients getting off after many years on them. I think my Dr is like scratching his head when I talk abt having AWFUL, HORRENDOUS wdl symptoms - I don't think he expected me to have any side effects getting off Benzo's even tho I have been on them over 10 years. . Lack of knowledge abt all drugs in general not just Psych meds. Would be nice to be able to trust Dr's but I just don't anymore. Have been told too many wrong things by them.

[@pm7225]

Why are doctor so stupid about antidepressants withdrawal

[@mickbowe4252]

I hope Prozac isn't as nasty as paxil . I got from 240mg/week to 120mg/week in 6 months. It's getting harder now though. Thank you medicating normal for being real.

[@Sears111]

Mick Bowe. Paxil and Effexor are the worst. Prozac will be easier.

[@kuldeepak2997]

I am suffering from antidepressant discontinuation syndrome. How can I get any help from you

[@rodneyschafer7869]

Hi,really like this channal,if u read the product information leave that comes with the medication, invega it say full benefit is in 6months time from 1 injection, when u try and get of it akathisia comes back once off stopping the injection, it puts me in hospital every time,they call it a rebound medication

[@montesa9136]

I think I tapered of Cipralex too fast. It's been 9 months now & I'm Seriously Suffering. Is it best to go back on a low dose of the med & try a slower taper?

[@MedicatingNormal]

9 months is a little far out to be reinstating. I would be really careful with that. Of course, I cannot possibly give you individual medical advice on YT but I would strongly suggest you research that question on this website but start by reading this post first: www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/6175-limbic-kindling-hardwiring-the-brain-for-hypersensitivity/

[@ivo2027]

AQUI no Brasil ninguém sabe como sair dos antidepressivos, os psiquiatras no Brasil estão perdidos não sabem como fazer uma abordagem correta de como retirar essas drogas.

[@MedicatingNormal]

Eu sinto muito! Você viu que estamos fazendo uma exibição com a Fiocruz? us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_6ZmYDSxiR5CsDcCd6Dbhuw

[@matheusdeoliveira495]

Muito verdade!

[@dmaster6088]

I need to get off and I don't know what to do

[@MedicatingNormal]

Here is a resource you might find helpful. There are also resources on our website. withdrawal.theinnercompass.org/learn/psychiatric-drug-taper-rates-review-and-discussion

[@shahnazali4000]

How do you taper off Clozopine? Please help I hsve a son aged 29 . He's been on twice a day 40mg day time , 75mg night

[@r.chavez5513]

Hi im diabled by the drug injury now 3 years off does the cns heal slowly trew out years?

[@MedicatingNormal]

Yes, please visit the support groups and read the success stories! Healing is inevitable but can take a really long time for a lot of people.

[@rebelandseektoprosper8268]

I'm trying to come off effexor ATM, my stomach ahhhh 😣

[@suckermofo1]

Are you in any groups. Effexor needs to be respected when trying to come off, like the rest of them.

[@rebelandseektoprosper8268]

@@suckermofo1 I'm a member of the effexor discontinuation syndrome and protracted withdrawals group mentioned here. They have helped immensely with support and knowledge, Sherry is really nice along with the other amazing Admins and all the work they put into helping others. How about you? Has it affected you as well?

[@suckermofo1]

@@rebelandseektoprosper8268 yeah it has. Sherry's a warrior, big time. If I had to go through that I wouldn.t be here.

[@rebelandseektoprosper8268]

@@suckermofo1 are you still trying to come off or did you make it? I'm glad you're still here and managed to stumble across the truth and support. Insane drug, so toxic...

[@suckermofo1]

@@rebelandseektoprosper8268 yeah I made it to a pretty good place when compared to the worst. Some lingering effects at 40 months at 0 but compared to the worst i wont complain. I had to do it too fast, just do it slowly and listen to your body and mind.

[@ellekatrina1900]

Where is the film/documentary available to view?

[@MedicatingNormal]

medicatingnormal.com/watch/

[@ellekatrina1900]

@@MedicatingNormal Is it not available in the UK?

[@MedicatingNormal]

@@ellekatrina1900 You can sign on to any of the screenings offered there. There's a UK screening listed for the University of Roehampton next month!

[@ellekatrina1900]

@@MedicatingNormal Thank you

[@michael_stanley]

good work guys n gals - paxil and trintellix ruined my life made me disabled but getting better - also xanax and klonapin

[@montesa9136]

Can withdrawal symptoms start four months after coming off a taper?

[@MedicatingNormal]

yes- delayed withdrawal has been seen in the lay withdrawal community.

[@Sears111]

Unfortunately. Yes.

[@debbietaylor20]

I tapered off of zoloft 4 months ago and still get sweats, chills . It gets me.down as I'm 58 and on hrt patches for hot flashes but still get them because of this. Started getting tingling on one side of my head too. I tapered over 5 months and only on it 9 months. Went through horrendous withdrawal. My gp didn't believe me which makes me so angry, they need re educating on these drugs . I'm in the UK and they hand them out like candy. They make out they don't see people with withdrawal. They think once its out of your system that's it but we know these drugs effect the brain and hypathalumus which controls body heat and can take months to heal.

[@НаргизаКарабаева-и4з]

​@@debbietaylor20how are you doing?

[@cassies123]

Great panel discussion but just a bit concerned about advice to leave sleep drug/benzo for last. This could create further tolerance to the benzo for some folks. I think it's a bad idea, especially for those that have not been on a combination of these meds for long. Otherwise, really great!

[@amycuaresma]

We are the most over medicated nation know the world, yet we can not even get allergies under control.

[@janelbucsko7919]

Off trazadone and suffering terribly. Pain insomnia. Jumped off 21.5 mg

[@janelbucsko7919]

Titrated off 450mg starting last oct titrated down to 12.5 2 months ago. Terrible anxiety and insomnia.

[@janelbucsko7919]

I was on the trazadone for 8 yrs

[@glockymenor6760]

How are you now?

[@juliannewman8720]

Man. I appreciate some of what alto astra does but she comes off super authoritative and “know it all”. After watching this interview, it confirms everything I thought about her. Not a big fan. I understand tapering is a harm reduction method but not everyone benefits from it and the advice she gives isn’t always helpful as I’ve seen people harmed from her as well. Listen to your body while you’re tapering. No one can know your body better than you. That includes people like alto who try to dictate peoples tapering. Dangerous territory.

[@jacqueline1752]

Alto is a narcissist. Many people on that forum have committed suicide after she turned nasty on them. One young woman was labelled ‘needy’ by her and banned from the forum. She took her life that night. That forum is dangerous.

[@verabaker4627]

She needs to drop the word uh!

[@danielstevenjanerico7461]

~ Associated Peer To Peer Support And Affiliates ~ I Approve This Documentry As A " Peer Advocate , Ambassadour , Consultant " DJ Of Greater Boston ...

[@justbreathe6826]

Has anyone explored the idea of Ketamine to help speed up the taper ?

[@thomasrehder3422]

Im going to start smoking weed what else can you do to get off benzos

[@MedicatingNormal]

www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php

[@thomasglover7937]

Research the Ashton Manual & find a Dr willing to support you on it 👍 Good luck

[@thomasrehder3422]

@@thomasglover7937 ive been kindled bad cause these stupid docters dont no what the hell is going on

[@r.chavez5513]

@@MedicatingNormal have you seen people injured mentally and phsically take years to heal?

[@thomasrehder3422]

@@r.chavez5513 yes i have its horrible and they dont care

[@snafu22]

Alto strata.....11 yrs to get better. I can’t do this for 11 yrs. no way. Better to end it now.

[@MedicatingNormal]

People do not stay severe the entire time. Remember that she formed a forum for survivors and helped hundreds of thousands of people during that time.

[@snafu22]

Medicating Normal 35 mths of non stop akathisia and all the internal and mental terror that akathisia brings .......I'm tiring out......

[@r.chavez5513]

@@MedicatingNormal im 3 years off never fully recovered from the injury

[@r.chavez5513]

@@snafu22 but i slowly have gotten a better

[@altostrata7018]

Sadly, recovery is very slow and frustrating. Hang in there, please.

[@dmaster6088]

😭

[@celestepiccolo6586]

I was taken to the doctor by my mom when I was experiencing nerve pain from previously having shingles. I was given Lyrica. Then I was in a trap. After that I was put on Cymbalta and then Paxil after that one. Lastly I was given Lexapro. Withdrawals between each always led to the next. This has been a 20 year journey. I’m currently on 0.14mg of liquid Lexapro.