"Survivors Are Nerfed Too Much" | Dragon Ball: The Breakers

Many people are complaining about the new balance changes for survivor gameplay. While it’s true that it makes it so that you cannot SOLO the raider anymore, you’re not totally down and out all the time.
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[@edwardsolaristhetaleteller9702]

Yes, they are, before it took a good raider to win, now it takes for the raider to screw it as hard as possible for them to lose

[@dragotech1234]

True, and I will say this as a Buu main. I for my butt kicked a lot in the early levels, but after learning how to properly fight I could win many matches as Buu. I believe raider mains became too dependent on the new characters that they forgot about basic raider mechanics and can't do good decision making. As fat Buu I never needed a dash like the other raiders, I just stopped shooting ki blasts and chase manually with normal flight, and could always catch up to them. Now with the patch I can spam ki blasts mindlessly until their D Change is depleted, without any strategy or plan. When I changed to Ginyu force for a few matches in Season 5 I could effortlessly win, all of that because I learned how to make good decisions as raider with Buu.

[@Agmali769]

I did a round where I didn't absorb anything as cell level 1 (no points into auto evolve) and I still won with everyone dead and I even got all the dragon balls, its really easy to win as raider now

[@mario8yoshi]

The worst part of the nerf is that I can't vanish battle with the raider anymore. (It's different then just dodging constantly)

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Yeah that was always fun to do and that’s gone now…

[@UltLuigi1]

This was a bad raider that didn't know he had two evasives and area destroyed while the STM was up

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Don’t you only get the barrier evasive once every 90 seconds and it goes away when Baby is melee’d? Doubt it would’ve mattered.

[@UltLuigi1]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 It's still a second evasive to break out of pressure and he didn't use it

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@UltLuigi1 True

[@Beast-Donku]

"Hey it's me, Small child"

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Smol

[@GlubtasticYT]

Any time I ever see an asymmetrical game it's always the survivor side of the fanbase that acts like they're constantly down and out when almost all the time they have more than a plethora of opportunities to just absolutely dogpile the solo player on the other team, it's unreal. Not saying that raiders/killers can't just be broke messes too but it's more often than not almost always skewed heavily against them. That being said, nice win!

[@imsusanov2287]

Any other game has a choice, of Who You play as, breakers doesn't, either way You will be a survivor for a 70-80% of your gameplay, regardless of who You want to Play as and usually its 4v1 not 7v1, like in breakers Breakers need to Keep survivors as a priority to Keep player base alive and now a amount of players Who want to be raider would grow, thus increasing numbers of feeders and etc

[@desertpinkmunchkin7277]

The only survivor nerf I disagree with is the supplies but even that barely matters. On a side note, what are some tips for dealing with Baby?

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Be careful of the number of civilians as well as their position. It could amount to very subtle differences in a cave or weird placement in pathways that give away who’s infected or not. Also be careful when going to revive someone as lvl 1 Baby can leave an infected civilian on a downed person’s body. These are the reasons I use Ki sense and civilian radars as often as possible when you’re unsure.

[@Dragen08]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 Does Ki Sense show you a moving Level 1 Baby? I do not have the skill, so I do not know. On the other hand @desertpinkmunchkin7277, if you are grabbed by an infected baby, while the game tells you to transform to shake them instantly, using afterimage when grabbed breaks the grab instantly and you don't need to transform. However Baby is made aware regardless.

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@Dragen08 I’m not entirely sure since I haven’t spawned close enough for me to see it happen.

[@Dragen08]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 If you learn that you can, please let me know. For research.

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@Dragen08 I’d most likely show it off once I figure it out. But sure 👍

[@REDz-r3v]

I can already tell that I am going to get curb stomped by this raider like I am going to need so much plot armor just to survive this season

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Armor up brother

[@Void_sauce]

"Hey it's me Goku!"- Dragon ball guy

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

The guy in Fortnite

[@gustavorocha5075]

The dodge is not the same for survivors....(so... what now? SURVIVOR:Guess we'll die)

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Devs: “You now cannot spam dodge.” Me: “Guess I’ll use it for Vanish Kicks and only dodging supers now..”

[@gustavorocha5075]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 👍 Btw i think the dodge is still the same for Raiders

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

People are mad that they can't effortlessly lock Raiders in at Lv2 anymore. Grow up, the game is fine, you just need to learn how to fight the Raiders without your cheats and "get out of jail free" skills

[@ChrisJZedStormzone-fz8od]

Exactly

[@PrincessZelda2020]

True, most Survivor players don't care about Balance and rather feel powerful and ruin the experience for the Raider players just to get a cheap win, For me personally I'm glad Survivors got nerfed considering how much they have going for them in game, it doesn't matter how good a Raider players is, they will still lose to Survivors if they team up with their broken builds that render the Raider helpless.

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

THANK YOU!

[@agentclank8183]

I don’t know man. I’ve been playing Broly as raider. The super transphere and all transpheres can’t fight back any more or evade unless it’s all of them. I have taken less than a bar of damage in all my matches combined. Try evading to stall, not going to happen. You get shredded and that’s a fact. Try fighting me, with ki blast, well I can outlast you. Only option is for melees. But I can just run away and blast you from afar. Frankly it’s too easy now, instead of too hard. So in my opinion it still isn’t balanced. Not until both sides roughly have the same chance of winning. I don’t mind every other change, but the evasion being nerfed for survivors and raiders having the normal evasion. It’s a clear bias. Imagine if they did the evasion nerf to raiders and left survivors as is. Even if it’s one wouldn’t be fair now would it.

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Wow…I didn’t even consider Broly.

[@Ketheral]

Ok, but to be fair. If you're in a premade you've LITERALLY got an unfair advantage.

[@Triangle-2121]

Earlier I did a Baby match i got stuck on level one for a really long time and still hardly had to try to win this game is so fucked if they dont buff survivors i think it was better before the survivor nerfs

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

It was definitely better before the nerfs, yeah.

[@romelocurtis]

Putting a cooldown on dodge and having no supplies for lvl 2 raiders was too much. You practically gotta sit there and get beat or run away

[@nanofate8662]

Agreed. Like the issue was UC dodging and not regular dodging in the first place.

[@romelocurtis]

@@nanofate8662 Facts. They should have just nerfed UC, increase the raider health a lil bit, and maybe nerf TPD

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Wait what does TPD have to do with this?

[@romelocurtis]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 that's why I said maybe.

[@pixelperfectgaming1996]

welp if level 2 supplies are out then i guess that means cheelai stocks finna go up cuz she can try getting free drinks and just drop em off in area X. Amazon prime delivery build

[@kdknight1297]

For me I already have skill issues fighting raiders either solo or in a group so I don't care about the survivor nerfs. I've been having fun with the season regardless of occasional frustrations with how some matches go, and Baby himself is fun to use and I'm really glad he's finally in the game.

[@Thesaiyanboy.]

Hey it's me

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@Thesaiyanboy. You’re featured, lad

[@borjaarellano9966]

Goku

[@XJ9LoL]

Survivors would win more if they had access to all the tools in the game. I watched a japan stream and they win 80-90% of their games solo Q. They all have broken gacha skills (30% dragon change @ shield break combined with shield restored after dragon changing). People abuse level 1 dragon change still (cooldown drink is consumed even if you get hit and knocked out).

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Oh god...that sounds like hell. Was that at the start of this season?!

[@quasimodokiwi1500]

Now that dragon balls are back and usable against Baby in the season, it feels like it’s riskier than before to use Dragon Balls because Recoome from Season 3 could charge all the way over to where the summon is, and now Baby can just rush wherever the dragon balls are being summoned.

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

That’s why it’s usually a very bad idea to immediately summon with them. Gotta keep it smart unless most areas are destroyed and you don’t have a choice.

[@Lord.X]

bro: hey you wanna check out the new season? me: what changes? bro: they added baby vegeta and nerfed survivors- me: no call me when they un nerf the survivors

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Understandable yet unfortunate🫡

[@doodlehates_uttp]

I finally got breaker after ages and was playing buu. Few issues 1. I couldn't find nobody 2. I got jumped by the entire lobby as spovovich and I lost

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@doodlehates_uttp Unfortunately that’s the new player experience. This game is not very well designed to include people who’ve joined later in the game’s life span.

[@doodlehates_uttp]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 Yeah

[@lasthorizon6810]

With an asymmetrical game, the balance can never truly be equal. At best, you will get 51-49 odds of balance. That's the nature of these games. Naturally, the main threat will most likely have favored odds as they are to be feared and avoided. They can be stopped, but not buy yourself.

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

True. And especially not anymore with this update.

[@ChipsMcClive]

PvP: Balancing toward equal complaints. PvE: Balancing toward satisfaction. They want the hard one for some reason.

[@sawnik6073]

Well done😊

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Thank you

[@pdbferox2635]

They honestly need to nerf Baby Vegeta, I nearly escaped him when he went to level 4

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

It's more than likely that he'll be nerfed at some point this season.

[@pdbferox2635]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 I hope so, cause I can’t keep having to be chased by a level 1 the moment I find a key.

[@ninjablackdayxeno9273]

Im sorry but survivors are getting too strong in the game because they have insane builds and dodging mechanics making it hard for the raider for the survivors but i do agree they need to give survivors some small changes so raiders won't just keep dominate every match gameplay hopefully the dimps will make sure they won't kill the game if they decided to ruin it

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@ninjablackdayxeno9273 The game will get nuked by Sparking Zero regardless (unless you’re not on PS5, Xbox Series X/S or PC [Steam]).

[@ninjablackdayxeno9273]

@BIG-_-DOG96 sparkling zero will be more popular yes but I hopefully we can do whatever we can to supporting the game to show dimps how much we love dragon ball breakers the season 6 may be the most disappointing release that we got right now because we get no new maps and we get is bulla GT reskin version of bulma once again maybe season 7 will definitely make huge changes in further future

[@PrincessZelda2020]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 I highly doubt it, they're 2 completely different games.

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@PrincessZelda2020 I mostly say it for the meme at this point. I’d like to think the game survives Sparking Zero but it’s SO anticipated that it’s worrying.

[@PrincessZelda2020]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 I here ya, and its true, Sparking Zero is very anticipated, I'm going to play both Sparking Zero and Dragonball The Breakers, Im sure Breakers will be fine considering how unique the game play is.

[@kiddcapo911]

Yall acting like they only changed the dodge when u literally cannot “dodge” ki blast at all anymore 😂

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Well yeah. It’s a lot but it’s not the worst thing they’ve done. Remember the famous November patch?

[@manicbeyond]

​@@BIG-_-DOG96 I'm sorry what happened in that patch?

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@manicbeyond Something along the lines of making raiders so unbelievably strong that everyone had resorted to using camouflage, hiding around the map and not playing objectives or participating from the very start. This current patch will NEVER be that bad.

[@kiddomadeit8634]

The player was trash a gd to average raider would have had atleast 2 perma dead b4 time machine. Then focused lvl 4 the second it showed up. Raider has the old dodge mechanics plus insta decent. Come on

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

Alright alright. I will respectfully stop the slight trolling early.

[@kiddomadeit8634]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 troll to ur hearts desire bro

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@kiddomadeit8634

[@lighter_even6867]

Ain’t it funny when people complained that survivors are op and that they need a nerf and raider’s are weak and needed a buff but when they finally nerfed survivors and buffed raider’s, everyone is upset now? Like didn’t y’all complain that raider’s are weak? It’s like this community is all talk but when they finally do something the community wanted, y’all complain about it? Y’all complain survivors get new thing’s every season that makes them strong but when they don’t give us any new skill or transphere’s besides ssj3 and ssj4 y’all complain over the most stupidest thing’s.

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@lighter_even6867 Yeah. I’ll admit…I was one of the people who were very sad/vocal about the changes. But after yesterday and today, it’s not that bad if your fundamentals are good (along with an agreeing connection).

[@dragotech1234]

Because they nerfed stuff that didn't need nerfs and left the OP syudf untouched. Should I not be upset? Instead of nerfing Memories of Battle and UC, they nerfed the dodge roll, they nerfed the vanishes, they altered stuff that wasn't necessary instead of tackling the actual problems. Did they fix region lock so I can play with friends? No, so I have to endure solo queue for the rest of the season and be paired with new players who can't work as a team yet and will give power to the raider.

[@lighter_even6867]

@@dragotech1234 Memories of battle and UC technically has soft nerf, UC is pretty much useless now and memories of battle can't be exploited by drinking while in d change and if you don't have a way to escape before dying than memories of battle was essentially wasted. I'm just saying this because alot of people are complaining about the nerfs to survivors, when they were the exact same people who wanted survivors nerfed.

[@dragotech1234]

@@lighter_even6867 UC technically nerfed, sure, but also nerfed those who don't use UC as well. Memories of battle was nerfed by not driving no ng sodas transformed, but also the strategy of using multiple sodas while transformed, because that strategy consumed resources as well. So people who previously used Memories of battle and get hit on purpose to escape recharge shield and repeat can still do it without changes in that plan. Those soft nerfed were badly addressed. I am not one who asked for survivor nerfs, I asked for nerfs for specific abilities, and those specific abilities are untouched. Some people don't see the bigger picture, by nerfing the basic mechanics instead of the actual skill they are also making the game less beginner friendly, and hurt solo queues even more.

[@lighter_even6867]

@@dragotech1234 yeah I get you, nerfing everyone in the community because of certain players abusing stuff like UC or in general spam dodging even without UC is annoying for people who play the game casually. But I'm just sick of seeing people complain about it, especially the good players. They act like without UC or spam dodging it's not fun, I disagree why? It makes the game more challenging and adds more unique elements then just see the same person (imo I always see shenron404 do this) grab super transphere's or dragon ball's (or is given) and solo the raider. Also I hate the player's who keep saying "guess you can't carry anymore" is false, even with these nerfs a good player can still carry. Yes it will be hard to carry but people can still do it, also in like a couple of weeks people are gonna be used to the new dodge nerf till the point someone finds a new strat for it but like what BIG-_-DOG96 said, if your fundamentals are good, it shouldn't be hard too get used to it.

[@nisar_X]

Nah I'm fine with the nerf

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

I was reluctant at first but it’s not so bad

[@nisar_X]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 yeah it makes you play safe rather than just going up to them and spamming circle

[@Galaxyboi-j6l]

@@nisar_X the dodge spam is mostly to counter ki blast since raiders just keep there distance and spam square

[@SubDaOJ]

lol nerfed where 😂😂

[@BIG-_-DOG96]

@@SubDaOJ Well… -Dodging as a regular survivor no longer has invincibility -Vanishing during your transformation is no longer consecutive (there is a 2-3 second cooldown between vanishes) -During the cooldown of a vanish, replaces any attempt to dodge with a short step-dash like evasive move. There’s a lot more but I’d actually have to read the patch notes again and I’m good on that.

[@SubDaOJ]

@@BIG-_-DOG96 wow having the dodge not have invincibility anymore is a crazy game changer like that alone is a huge nerf fr

[@SubDaOJ]

Now they got scared to play survivor, might have to start raider training soon 😭😭🤣