Survivorship Bias and the GOATs - Taking Data and Inspiration with a Grain of Salt

[@ryanelliott2528]

That same phenomenon occurred in WW1 with the adoption of the Brody helmet. Generals noticed an increase in head wounds after helmets were adopted and interpreted it as troops taking more risks because of the helmet. Statisticians identified a corresponding decrease in fatalities and identified that most of the head injuries with the helmets would have been fatalities without.

[@jakoballan2768]

I'm a statistician so it's always cool to see that get mixed in with lifting!

[@masonnowak5660]

Stronger by science podcast makes stats seem way more interesting then I usually feel about it!

[@GVS]

Great video. I actually see a lot of people still trying to emulate bodybuilding greats like Ronnie Coleman, EVEN with the data points that we know now, including multiple surgeries and not being able to walk after decades of abuse. So despite even having the knowledge that the insane training he did can obviously be very harmful, people still do it. That's what is most mind blowing, even someone seeing the smoking wreckage of a plane on the ground, they try to copy their flight pattern, just because they "flew pretty damn high before crashing, bro". 100% agree that the best athletes often make mediocre coaches. They generally were never forced to actually think about what they were doing, it just happened and they were along for the ride. Perhaps they could internalize their process, but when explaining it to someone else it's evident that they never really expressed it in that way before. Finally, if someone's claim to fame is that they worked with pro athletes, I typically find that to be a huge red flag as well. For a lot of these guys, a clipboard could coach them pretty damn well.

[@masonnowak5660]

You just did the same thing this video argued against... just as we can't say Ronnie's training methods made him a champion we can't say his methods caused his injuries.

[@GVS]

@@masonnowak5660 partly genetic but even he said that they were a major contributor. I'm not sure if you are trolling or not so...nice one.

[@masonnowak5660]

@@GVS not trolling, just like results from a workout, injuries (especially with his really weird surgical past) cannot be directly attributed to training. He would also say his training contributed to his results...

[@GVS]

@@masonnowak5660 He himself directly attributed them to training.

[@masonnowak5660]

@@GVS I never disagreed with that.

[@kblkbl]

"Just lift the weights lol" - Hafthor to Larry Wheels, probably

[@LTPottenger]

Hit ground with foot then grab the log when it flies up

[@bobsteinkraus367]

Good stuff. The guy you want advice from is not the first place finisher. It's the guy who finished fifth - especially if he used to finish fifteenth.

[@heveyweightheveyweight5399]

that made no sense at all

[@jean-pierre9698]

​@@heveyweightheveyweight5399that makes a lot of sense. Sucker

[@Artheam]

This is exactly why I'm surprised/annoyed when people are really keen to hear from some champions who have only been lifting a few years. Great - you have the best genetics and worked hard, but what do you really know? Give me a seasoned veteran who has struggled for years and years on their weak lift any day of the week.

[@stoempert]

Can't argue with this. Distilling best practices from elites/pro's is, or can be, very problematic for those of less talent. I used to be in cycling where the amateurs started copying the 7~10 day group training camps of the pro's. A lot of guys got killed by the sudden jump in volume and frequency and got no net benefits.

[@shantanusapru]

Ah! Finally someone talks about this elephant in the room! Excellent!! P.S.: BTW, just bought your e-book. Looking forward to going through it!

[@reallyamir23]

I've been following for quite a while but this video specifically is the biggest eye opener of my entire time lifting. Single handedly puts alot of things into perspective and dispels alot of misconceptions that I've fallen victim to. Thank you so much, your videos have been so valuable to me.

[@todlichreiter]

The example with the bomber airplane was spot on! Great video with quality content!

[@jonathangroves3580]

Possibly the best honest discussion I’ve heard concerning this topic! Great informative video!

[@jdata]

I wish you could be my gym buddy. I LOVE your nuanced video topics, like this one. This is the golden content that is truly "no one talks about!".

[@bettinadimitrova]

Your videos show truly interesting points of view! Greetings from Bulgaria!

[@jananilcolonoscopu4034]

Your content continues to improve and improve! very good material.

[@harryangel4822]

Wow, knowledge big-time. This guy is on a whole different level.

[@larslange4078]

Thank you very much. Very intelligent message.

[@simeonreed8764]

incredibly intelligently put together really makes you think! loved the book too!

[@BluegillGreg]

Excellent vid. This manner of thinking is deep and is effective far beyond lifting.

[@gonzothegreat1317]

A must-watch video. It'll teach you the beginnings of recognizing the BS that is rife in the lifting world.

[@mmjsfca]

Great video Bromley. Really good points

[@gamingguru2k6]

It takes hardwork + capability + Luck to really be successful at anything. Don't focus on beating the best. Focus on competing with yourself.

[@MiroTheHero7]

I think this is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on any principles behind training. It’s logical but also extremely necessary. Firm handshakes 🤝

[@Guitareben]

I love this channel

[@bobbuilder5243]

Personal experience is the least reliable form of evidence, that’s like an obese, alcoholic and drug addicted person saying they’re healthy mentally and physically, So therefore eating junk food, doing drugs, and drinking a lot is good for everyone. It’s not the survivor bias, but it’s the same idea, great video.

[@chaospig222]

Great video

[@andrewpantke1533]

Spot on.👍

[@yushy5816]

Good discussion. Thanks for reminding me Joel Seedman exists..

[@jdata]

A great anecdotal example of this is Eddie Hall always being dehydrated. Sure its a funny meme at this point, but it could also be a true objective physiological characteristic of that man's biology. If he never paid any attention to it he could have always handicapped his true potential.

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

I need to get more people to watch this. Its so hard to get people to understand why they shouldn't necessarily train like lillibridge or ray williams

[@jdmalm123]

Mediocre lifting... my specialty! I like how Bromley doesn't take any flak!

[@roflmfao4life]

Hey man, i agree with everything... just a slight criticism... Can you not do jump cuts? I dont recall you doing them in ur previous videos. Its jarring. But other than that... solid work

[@ElloAsty]

He probably does it to cover up awkward or silent moments where he is trying to formulate his thoughts.

[@roflmfao4life]

@@ElloAsty yea but thats super unlike him. Iwatched like like 30 of his videos haha

[@mattjackson2799]

10:20 and AthleanX

[@jeffreyrichardson6119]

Bromley is like the Jeff Nippard of Strongman, backing up everything with science.

[@johnbackos5192]

Exactly one of the things Mark Rippetoe has been saying all along.

[@SLouiss]

Bulgarian training definitely too hard for a regular person to recover from session to session

[@bobbuilder5243]

Yeah I personally do Bulgarian, but I would never recommend it to anyone. I might tell someone to try it to see if it works for them, but I’ll also tell them that chances are a different program will be better for them.

[@BigUriel]

Most people who say they do Bulgarian training may be implementing some of its principles like very high frequency but aren't actually following the training templates they used. The training load is simply too much for any normal person to recover from, and that doesn't go just for Bulgarian systems but I'd say any workout program designed for elite olympic weightlifters. These people are outliners with an unusually high ability to gain power, strength and muscle mass, they've been training regularly for 10+ years steadily increasing their work capacity over that time, they don't really do anything for a living except lift so they can get all the rest they want, and more often than not they are on PEDs. Besides they don't even follow those systems for very long, these are specifically designed to build up and peak an athlete for a competition, not train like that year round, their off season training is much easier. Of course the average gym rat can't hope to push himself that hard and be able to recover from it.

[@Kyle111]

Just bought base strength

[@raphaelsilvas2025]

Martins licis comes to mind the mans 6'2 a 440 lb bencher 315 strict presser yet his log press can hang with the best of them.

[@GVS]

Yea he's definitely been very thoughtful with his training. I saw an interview where he said he didn't max on his deadlift for the first decade of training or something like that. Was always a triple at heaviest.

[@adgcih1689]

Assuming i have that durability gene or that great genetics u mentioed in the video which programs would u recommend?

[@jamesbedwell8793]

Well I'd recommend something like Smolov or similar, since most people can run Smolov for a month or two at most before they need to recover. If you can run smolov for squat and bench, and also do some deadlifting in there, then you'll see pretty quick results. I wouldn't advise it for most people though

[@masonnowak5660]

The exact same program as recommended for everybody else: one designed to fit your strengths and weaknesses. Through experimentation you would learn that you can recover from high volume and heavier weights without injuries or getting weaker. Keep watching Bromley videos and learning

[@adgcih1689]

@@masonnowak5660 yea his content is gold. I have made my own program. Low reps high intensity medium volume

[@themetsfan861]

One that you can do consistently for 10+ years.

[@robertchang3969]

joel seedman is my favourite :)

[@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002]

When I become emperor of the Americas I will mandate that every noob watch this video.

[@aavila1206]

Big brain

[@susannerack8541]

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[@Str8Deenin47]

I can't believe Seedman has any sort of following. I feel like snake oil isn't even strong enough of a word for those type of guys.

[@TheRickTurner]

Great video