This is honestly awesome information been riding for 18 years and never had anyone lay it out like keefer everyone tries to make it sound more complex then it is, run this series for everything kris talk tires motors gear whatveer im tuning in
@moto34638 ай бұрын
The bike looks sick, thanks for the tech info Keefer.
@STAFFIHOUND8 ай бұрын
This is great information and well explained.
@ShiftGearsMoto8 ай бұрын
The west/east coast suggestions was really helpful. Thanks for the video!
@LilLefty278 ай бұрын
Awesome video. The average Joe likely knows very little about suspension, including me. Saved this video for future reference 👍
@Marc7577 ай бұрын
Keefer, you are a moto treasure.
@googlesucks35205 ай бұрын
Good video. One important thing that is often overlooked in all these suspension clicker videos is that the "rebound" adjuster is not just a rebound adjuster. The rebound clicker is actually a bypass circuit on production shocks that come on these bikes. It affects the rebound and compression by the same amount of "clicks". The fluid flows from the end of the shaft to rebound chamber on comp stroke and to the compression chamber on rebound stroke, so adjusting "rebound" by 2 clicks and changing the bleed area at the needle for rebound means that there is the exact same amount of bleed area added to compression. This cannot be stopped unless a check valve is installed in the shaft or rebound separator nut is used. The bleed through the shaft is also much larger than the bleed through the low speed adjuster circuit and has a much larger effect on compression. Very important to remember this when tuning your suspension.
@scannorse3 ай бұрын
@googlesucks3520 ….meaning what ? What to do ?
@scannorseАй бұрын
@@googlesucks3520 …..meaning what ? What to do ? And what about closed cartridge forks ?
@JimG196424 күн бұрын
Wait what? You sound really knowledgeable so somehow rebound affects compression settings too? How does this affect how I should do my adjustments? Dumb it down for me lol.
@scannorse23 күн бұрын
@@googlesucks3520 so any responses ?
@googlesucks352014 күн бұрын
@@scannorse forks are no different. Anything that doesn’t use a check valve on the end of the shaft will flow oil in both directions. It’s not a bad thing just something to keep in mind when tuning. This is why people say to always tune your “rebound” first because it has an effect on the compression also. If you start with compression then move to rebound you are chasing your tail.
@michaelanderson17278 ай бұрын
Is there a general rule of thumb for clickers and rebound? If i go out two or three clicks, what should i be doing with rebound?
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
It’s a preference thing and I didn’t want to make it harder for beginners to learn. Usually there is a 2 for 1. Every two clicks in on compression, go one out faster on rebound. Also vice versa. 2 out on compression, one in on rebound. This will be in written version this week on my website.
@JanWillemvanCappellen5 ай бұрын
Stiffening up the rear was an eye opener for me on my KTM. My bike would be too low in the rear and it would push out of corners having a tendency to stand up. I went 5 clicks stiffer in the rear and the bike would feel like it was higher in the rear and it was finally able to dive the front in corners. Its crazy how much uou can tweak with these clickers alone. Interesting stuff Keefer, keep it up 👍
@teeniorcitizen85378 ай бұрын
Kris, I don’t have a Kawasaki… could you please do a video like this for a Husqvarna? By the way, I have a Two-Stroke if that makes a difference. Thank You!
@brap101518 ай бұрын
Yeah Kris. Go out and buy every brand bike 4 stroke and 2 strokes and do a video on each so teeniorcitizen8537 can understand… serious mate?
@davidmoore_7238 ай бұрын
Same rules apply regardless of motorcycle or more importantly suspension brand.
@teeniorcitizen85378 ай бұрын
@@davidmoore_723 Thanks, but I have a Two-Stroke. I’ve emailed Kris and I’m sure he’ll get back to me.
@jakerivets22498 ай бұрын
🤣
@jakerivets22498 ай бұрын
@@teeniorcitizen8537 🤣
@michaelledoux52616 ай бұрын
I was having trouble on a2005 CRF450 and had the bike re-valved softer spring. I got in touch with Race Tec and what I got from the conversation was damping, damping, damping. It takes me a while, well I just bought a new 2023 YZ250X and I was struggling, then the light came back on and I adjusted the damping no softer spring and it worked.
@Joe-pb3lx8 ай бұрын
good info....thanks, my bike was diving in corners
@cnosigamer8 ай бұрын
I'm really glad for each video you record!
@cdog21458 ай бұрын
Thankyou brother, your doing allot for the sport. Love from UK, get yo ass back to foxhills 🤠
@frankcraymerdds38758 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info, always helps.
@tonyparamotor94878 сағат бұрын
hi iam a novice on a kx 450f 2016. coming into corners the whole bike feels unstable. as if it wants to wash out. can you help.i feel weary just riding the bike.
@supaxrАй бұрын
thanks for the great info ..I've learnt alot from this
@Vetrider8511 күн бұрын
This is great! Thanks
@Exitwoundstudio7 ай бұрын
Isn’t that cool!!! 2 questions; Let’s say we are 12 clicks out on the fork compression we should be somewhat close to 12 clicks out on rebound? 12 clicks out on compression and 1 click out on rebound would not be acceptable? I saw on the newest KTM factory edition there is a connectivity option. Is there a connectivity option or upgrade for a 2011 KTM 350 SXF? Thank you.
@reineherrera88978 ай бұрын
Just as a tip to the tip…the first click (out) from fully seated is not “1”, it is “0”. Always needed this as a reminder when writing/referencing settings for baselines.
@davidneys7028 ай бұрын
Not true, did you not listen
@reineherrera88978 ай бұрын
Keefer liked the comment. Did you not see?
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
Just to be clear, when we do testing once the clicker gets hard and it stops, back out is considered one. This is normal for production “clicker setting numbers”.
@reineherrera88978 ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting I’d be interested in knowing what the zero setting is that I find in my service manual. I can’t imagine the OEM suggesting to ride around with the clicker past the last click and fully seated.
@GeoPolKT378 ай бұрын
@@reineherrera8897exactly. Dont believe everything Queefer tells you… buddy should stick to his day job of thinking he is the perfect parent
@hoerenj0ng1418 ай бұрын
Good tips overall. Keep in mind fork rebound has a large effect on cornering as well and it is not explained a lot in these types of videos. The correct amount of rebound dampening is needed to properly settle and follow through in the corner. Also, for pure sand typically a slower rebound is recommended rather than a faster one
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
In most cases yes, sand requires slower rebound but if you’re going in on comp/LSC then sometimes you’ll need to speed up rebound to compensate but I wasn’t trying to make this video too complicated. Simple basics then we can break down suspension more in a part two slightly longer video. 👍🏻
@hoerenj0ng1418 ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting Thanks, I think myself and a lot of others would really appreciate an in depth video or podcast (perhaps with a suspension expert) with tips how to tackle the most common handling or suspension issues by using just the clickers and fork oil level etc. I feel a lot of guys get stuck in a window where the bike feels fairly balanced and are afraid to move out of that. To me it was a revelation just how much the KTM app recommends closing clickers on sand and it helps the cornering stability a lot.
@mxer5028 ай бұрын
How sensitive are clickers on WP components?
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
One click at a time. Fairly sensitive.
@MikeyP82sf7 ай бұрын
You the man Kris! Good stuff!
@ste_v19838 күн бұрын
Can you get that pipe with the green logos??
@Keeferinctesting8 күн бұрын
@@ste_v1983 Decal Works can make them
@ryankittelstad8 ай бұрын
I though if your on 1 on rebound per say,that’s the fastest the fork will shoot back up. Is that wrong?
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
1 means, 1 out. That is slow.
@johnwilkes88478 ай бұрын
Clickers feel like black magic. I can get a setting that feels unbeatable in corners but like booty in the chop. Then I can find a setting that’s good on jumps and chop but it’s booty in the corners. I’ve pretty much given up. I set them to your recommended clicker settings for the 22 yz450 and leave it at that.
@joshb6920097 ай бұрын
What would you recommend for a 2023 yzf250 hardback conditions intermediate level rider. Clicker wise
@jdc91287 ай бұрын
I have same bike in same conditions , what weight are you ?
@joshb6920097 ай бұрын
I’m 70kg or 155 pounds, help would be appreciated
@joshb6920097 ай бұрын
I’ve had my springs changed I just need clicker settings. Thanks
@jdc91287 ай бұрын
4.2 springs front and 48 for rear for your weight ? Set sag and clickers in stock settings then work from there , hard to say clickers as it's down to the day on the track and your speed , see how stock feels ,maybe need to speed up rebound a little to account for small chattery bumps
@joshb6920097 ай бұрын
4.6 on the front which is stock and I’ve got a 45 n k-tech spring on the rear. I feel like the front is good. Yesterday I was riding a very hard pack track braking and accelerating bumps. And I was feeling a lot of chatter when going hard in and out of corners. 👍🏽
@scottashton65338 ай бұрын
Are you from Pittsburgh I went to school with a Chris Keefer
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
No, sir.
@zacka1616 ай бұрын
Do you go in or out on rebound to make rebound faster?
@293epartridge12 күн бұрын
Out
@tonyparamotor94878 сағат бұрын
@@293epartridge by going out. it makes if softer..moves more quicker.
@mikemeeks81228 ай бұрын
Is that Matthes humble abode?
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
Sir, Matthes place is much bigger and better than this place. 😂
@doug_errickson8 ай бұрын
A keefer channel?!?! Sub'd!
@alexarmstrong11348 ай бұрын
thanks Keefer
@seandavchrsn8 ай бұрын
Cheers Keef-diggy! Post up anything you consider helpful. -S.
@goodtimeswithcorey8 ай бұрын
Always hear you refer to high speed as ride height . But doesnt low speed control pitching and squatting considering these are low shaft speed movements and the high speed is for taking hits and bumps/ hard edge stuff. Low speed is what i use to control ride height on mtn bikes
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
In the world of dirt bikes, HSC actually affects ride height on/off throttle more than LSC. LSC can control some on throttle damping characteristics, of course but HSC affects the bike more statically. I’m not a suspension tech, I’m just a test guy that gives those other guys feedback. Most suspension techs will agree if you don’t want to mess with your sag, HSC can help balance of bike on/off throttle.
@yodavizion10 күн бұрын
Thank you 🦾😎
@h20mxracer2228 ай бұрын
Thanks! Is that what $70k/year house looks like? I'm definitely doing something wrong..
@Keeferinctesting8 ай бұрын
High Dez 70K is different than most. 😝
@h20mxracer2228 ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting Beautiful area and home. Impressive.
@EverythingisFire3 ай бұрын
That's a nice pool :)
@ballou17778 ай бұрын
Clear as mud
@Skate4368 ай бұрын
🤟🤟
@JimG196424 күн бұрын
The more suspension videos that I watch, the more confused I become. I thought high speed compression affected the suspension for when the suspension was compressing really fast like jump landings, hard obstacles etc. I've never heard of it as a way to adjust rider height or sag. I'm not sure anybody really gets it. I've watched 3 videos and everybody has a different opinion on what the clickers affect lol. Probably best for me to stick to the stock settings.
@Keeferinctesting24 күн бұрын
@@JimG1964 HSC “acts” like a rode height. It’s not a sag measurement. If you like your rode height (sag) but you feel low on jump landings, faces, or g outs your HSC can help raise or lower those areas for you. Hence “acts” like a ride height. Hope this helps. Have fun!!
@JimG196424 күн бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting Thanks Keefer! That helps and will try it.