Suspension ski binding day 1 review

[@kartingbeast93]

It's simple physics that says "If the ski can put less force into your foot, then your foot can also put less force into the ski."

[@panganaranga]

But it could also give you more contact, like on a full suspension bike. To be honest, it looked like it does not do anything. In the slowmo I cannnot see a lot of damping. Maybe they need to work in the geometry a bit. I would lay the damper flat and just one for one ski. I mean, they are built to catch 100kg each. Or build it with rc parts.

[@nvpyt2235]

This is without a doubt, in the top 5 most stupid ski inventions ever made.

[@Felix-kd8tn]

I don't disagree but maaaan they put so much work into them lol

[@nvpyt2235]

@@Felix-kd8tn designed by rich old people that barely ski

[@crccrc5789]

What do you consider the other 4 most stupid ski inventions ever made?

[@jakoblandes]

i would even say - of all stuipid inventions ever made :D

[@tonyg3091]

Came here to say the same thing 😂

[@rickden8362]

How did someone think REDUCING feedback between the snow and the ski was good?

[@tonyg3091]

Not necessarily a bad thing if you think about it-think shock absorbers in Atomic boots, rubber pads under Stockli WRT bindings, rubber layers used in many skis but yeah, disconnecting your boot from the ski in this way is plain dumb.

[@RicketySkiReviews]

Respect for putting yourself self out there on this one! Great video

[@ryanholleran7013]

Major kudos team for getting out there and pushing the boundaries of something new! Mad respect for all the hard work and prep. This is all part of the process, ya doing the industry WORK!! Keep at it!

[@OutOfCollective]

thank you!

[@gerhardscheiderer4726]

tell us you're a bot without telling us you're a bot

[@Jrockjeff]

Yeah this seems so AI

[@OutOfCollective]

I will tell you - I was sweating like 5 turns in. The weight really throws you off.

[@packratty]

It's not the weight, it's the fact that you have no edge control. It looked exactly like you had soft shitty boots two sizes too big. Way back in the 90s I gave something weird a whirl and bought Volant stainless steel skis (190 cm) and this was still in the days of skinny straight skis, rhey were so heavy they hurt my shoulder carrying them to the parking lot. But they were the smoooooooothest, most confidence inspiring thing ever. They held in ice like on rails, they plowed through crud like it was groomed corduroy, they never ever chattered. And as long as you were patient, turn initiation happened with the mere thought of lifting a toe, and then (given they weren't shaped) as long as you ahd good balance you just settled in and enjoyed the deeply carving ride. Where the weight mattered, and was indeed terrible, was in anything that required quickness - do a run of moguls and you were done for the day. Maybe couldn't walk the next day. So the weight of this suspended nightmare is not the biggest problem here -- the disconnection is. I clicked on this because I can't imagine how this could *not* feel outta control, as if your boots don't fit. Oh well.

[@glo-w2077]

We have shock absorbers. I call them "legs".

[@rmurphyandco]

i feel like you could ding the shaft of the shock with the edges a bunch and cause some problems.

[@OutOfCollective]

Already have, one day in.

[@rmurphyandco]

@@OutOfCollective hell yeah

[@joedeblasio]

Wow Adam, thank you so much for the honest review.

[@ethanlphoto]

You look so uncomfortable and rigid on every turn

[@OutOfCollective]

@@ethanlphoto I felt the worst I’ve ever felt

[@TheLutefiskGOD]

Props for going out and actually suffering for multiple runs. Would have been really funny if it ripped but hardly a shock(heh)ing result.

[@OutOfCollective]

lolol

[@Devestatix]

This was exactly what I expected to hear when I saw your short

[@vashusan1984]

Seems like just a lot of weight and deadening of the ski. Thanks for trying them out!

[@OutOfCollective]

It's not even that they feel dead, it's more like stuck. Maybe day two, different pressure will make a difference

[@slunasaurusrex]

I didn't see any suspension travel even when you went off the jump... It appears these do nothing at all except ruin a perfectly good pair of skis.

[@BigPurpleSkiSuit]

Props for trying em, and being honest!

[@OutOfCollective]

Thanks, day one was definitely something

[@alantorrigino6570]

Please share the particulars of the video set up. I really appreciate what it takes to get video footage and production that was put into this video.

[@IAmE1029]

Good video. Was interested since your last post.

[@Langhorstiness]

Since as far back as the 1980s when I got into racing there are gimmicks like this that come out every so often. They add weight that ski designers have not accounted for in the ski design so it mess with vibration dampening and swing weight and many other aspects of ski behaviour. Then, lots of them have mounting points like this one that are way out in front and back of the bindings - this creates a LOOOOOOOONNNG flat spot in the middle of your ski so flex is crap. Add in a giant tower that can jab you in your butt on landings... sorry, this one's definitely not for me.

[@0bm31770]

That's the best innovation in skiing since Cubco Bindings.😂

[@ais4ashlie]

A soccer mom that snow plows a whole black diamond is legitimately what these were made for

[@GustavoMoura]

Thanks for the honest feedback!

[@firstprib7742]

I snowboard. I keep tightening my boots until the point of pain just to feel more control. Having dampeners would be pain without the control. I assume its the same with skis.

[@maxwelllucas896]

I think anything that travels on any imperfect surface can benefit from shock absorbers. There are always weight and rigidity trade offs though. Maybe just tuning, but these don’t look like they do anything.

[@nicholas5396]

Cant wait for J Skis to parody this technology April fools day!

[@yvind8301]

Hmm, if you drop the front piece, put it on a pinbinding front, and just have the back piece as a damper/shock it could probs be fun for jumps? I guess.

[@micah7516]

Telemark moon shoes 😂

[@_B1078_]

These bindings on the M1 skis, ultimate snob jerry setup.

[@nikhilbarnick8407]

when is tele version dropping??

[@OutOfCollective]

i'll send these to @mradamx when im done

[@moofasaCJ]

Not even Billy Mays could sell this product

[@Sachiel235]

If someone wants to innovate like this, put a damper in the binding spring like a coil shock. Could potentially have an actual impact on edge hold and ride quality without needing to cost $4k and skiing like garbage.

[@juniorfrederiksen344]

Did this company do proper binding release testing ? Lawsuit

[@I_THE_ME]

Maybe if you just did very casual skiing the dampening helps since you wouldn't be that focused on feedback or responsiveness.

[@PentagonalAntiprism]

These look stupid, the shocks have so much travel but it never seems to get used, nor does it seem possible to use the whole travel so to me this looks like a gimmick and it did get views. Thanks for trying them out!

[@Bushwackerinpa]

Why do you turn? DO you press on your outside ski or do you stand on it?

[@FractaLL2103]

both. but you also have to pick an edge.

[@Bushwackerinpa]

@@FractaLL2103 nope you dont press on your skis, it part of the reason why your skiing is so ass.

[@FractaLL2103]

@@Bushwackerinpa how is shifting your weight to your outside ski not pressing?

[@Bushwackerinpa]

@@FractaLL2103 standing is not pressing. Press implies you are trying to press into the ground.

[@Bushwackerinpa]

@@FractaLL2103 kzbin.info/www/bejne/anevq6KabZqKm9Esi=2hxbvN_HFxhxqP5D

[@steveyv963]

I thought we were supposed to learn how to use the ski itself as a shock absorber if the situation requires it.

[@OutOfCollective]

@@steveyv963 I thought so too

[@wasserwasser5555]

seems that suspension makes you lean backward. also whats with the wrong ski....

[@OutOfCollective]

it does feel like its pushing you way back seat.

[@_e5598]

This still might be satire.

[@MaxRostas]

thats where im sitting atm... theres zero travel in the shocks, like hwat

[@OutOfCollective]

If I got got, i'll be sad.

[@HuckThis1971]

My knees are shot from excessive mogul skiing in my youth. These looked promising! 😂

[@kjbathe]

What's going on with your shoulders and arms? Is that normal or are you trying to muscle these things through the turn? 🤔

[@OutOfCollective]

@@kjbathe trying to put everything I have to make these things turn lol

[@blurglide]

This seems like a terrible idea. You might as well design a ski boot designed around a 2" thick memory foam footbed. Same terrible result but at least it would be lighter and less bulky

[@miszczunio66]

Maybe it would be better with lower pressure, those shox doesn't absorb, even when you land I didn't see anu shok movement.

[@ryanabc12345]

The slowmo footage revealed that these are doing absolutely nothing of value. There's no preload, using rear shocks for this was a bad choice, etc. It would be interesting to see one that works, though, and isn't 100lbs.

[@tonyg3091]

The guy seemed totally miserable man…😂

[@BrokenPaddleAdventures]

Looks like those binding/shock will cause new injuries to the leg....my opinion...

[@OutOfCollective]

wouldn't be "shocked".

[@jberczi6]

Looks comfortable lmao

[@hankstowers]

do a nose butter 3 pls I need to see something

[@OutOfCollective]

@@hankstowers I die

[@I-l-l-l-l-l]

The mount points are too far apart ( forward and backward of the foot). Doesn’t allow the ski to flex. Like a way worse version of a mounting plate.

[@CarraigButler]

hes being so nice lol

[@nicholaskaminski5987]

They are not running any sag. They need to sit in the travel so when you get in the air they have more travel to damper. Also it will help keep traction when you are lightly loading during a turn. Just like a mtb.

[@23iros]

You are using them wrong! I guess they are designed not for curves but only for going straight on a bumpy slope with insane speed.. 😅

[@OutOfCollective]

@@23iros 😂😂😂 I’ll do better on the next

[@paulstiller6239]

The whole idea is to put your input into the Skis unmitigated, this is Bass Ackwards.

[@OutOfCollective]

coincidentally it does force you further back seat.

[@glenmellan8018]

It’s not uncommon, when you fall, and have a ski release, that ski either hits you or you land on it, I would hate to land with my ribs on that shock, or have that thing come back and hit me in the face. The binding is bad enough.

[@Randorando509]

Dude just tele. -Tele Craw

[@eutoob]

The whole purpose/experience of skiing is carving turns like a sports car. Why would you want to deaden the responsiveness and make it like riding a cruise ship? Lifting the boot so high above the ski massively reduces the quickness from edge to edge and now you have to exagerrate knee anglulation to get the same edge angle on the slope- which is entirely the wrong technique for carving. That being said, this device may have applications for adaptive skiing athletes where shock absorption is needed to prevent further injury.

[@OutOfCollective]

This is pretty much where I’m at with this. Day two may go better, but day one made me feel like I’ve never skied before.

[@calleX]

I can finally say after seeing this video I ski WAY better than you XD

[@thegreatpasta]

Please demo them on Vishnu Wet 189s

[@OutOfCollective]

The contrast in feelings between ski and binding might make my head explode lol

[@Standby4titan]

It looks like the flex from the "deck" is insane.

[@Jeffrey_Wong]

I thought for sure this was just a meme...

[@SterlingSigurdsen]

What’s so stupid Renoun skis has the best innovation in damping vibration with the 3DO tech in their skis. And I know they work as I can ski way harder on my Renoun Skks versus my Faction skis

[@Alastair_]

This is blatantly trying to fix something that isn't broken.

[@OutOfCollective]

I think there's an application for it, but I'm pretty sure it's not for most people.

[@JayDayVids]

Bet they get ripped off the ski if you’re riding hard in heavy snow. The footprint of where its mounted to the ski cant possibly be in the skis retention area.

[@OutOfCollective]

@@JayDayVids it is but…like by a millimeter

[@2887zar]

Nope, keep it simple. That looks like an expensive problem waiting to happen

[@Simon-Simon-Simon]

APRIL FOOLS ?

[@nickdambrosia2304]

I think it’s a marketing gimmick to draw attention and sell more MTB products

[@THX5000]

We have something out west called "powder"

[@OutOfCollective]

Jealousy is my friend

[@THX5000]

@OutOfCollective I grew up skiing Cannon I love that mountain

[@michalstrpka4800]

From now on you can keep skiing this lame forever, the suspension ski binding will fix it all for you, hooray...

[@zayon0170]

if Pro's dont use it, its pointless

[@Mossy5150]

A fool and his money...

[@dafinga194100]

Zero movement in the shock while skiing. Useless piece of crap.

[@peterpfeiffer5386]

Technik ersetzt kein sportliches "Können"

[@danclark9522]

no

[@ef1464]

Test Pilot, not very good Skier...

[@Kado244]

Who asked for this lololo

[@polltata]

Je hezké koukat jaké blbosti jsou lidé schopni sestrojit....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@davidbennett5981]

Pointless gimmick