Suzuki V-Strom 800DE 6-Month Review Conclusion & Comparisons (EP.4)

[@BigRockMoto]

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[@georgedoolittle7574]

Amazing content as usual and remain wholly unimpressed by an industry clearly making the best product they have ever made but still at the end of the day all effectively chain drive rear wheel drive handlebars, seat wind protection and mud protection. Be nice to see these items stripped bare to the frame start taking a look at the different geometries for to have created why different pluses minuses fun/anti-fun one up two up touring sport adventure cruiser super sport😊😊

[@E_Clampus_Vitus]

We need to know how much weight you are carrying before we can even question Suzuki. 🤷

[@spencervidal3168]

Had a similar problem with my KLR. These suspension components are NOT up to the task..

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

I know the Japanese are thinking that not having tubeless and cruise will push buyers to their 1000+cc bikes, but it doesn’t. It pushes buyers to Aprilia and KTM.

[@BigRockMoto]

Totally true!

[@BobSacamano-dy3wg]

The Japanese don't think that way at all. If it were true, then the T7 with no cruise or tubeless wheels would not have been as successful as it was. Not to mention there are a lot of people who got rid of their high tech european bikes and bought a T7... It's obvious Suzuki looked at the success of the T7 and then though that it makes more sense to save money by not having cruise or tubeless wheels, and instead offer a simiar bike at a cheaper price point.

[@noidreculse8906]

I have done a 180 and am going for value now. CF MOTO IBEX 450

[@donovanc7795]

tubless is not high tech lol​@BobSacamano-dy3wg

[@BootsLee]

​@@noidreculse8906I am seriously considering the CF Moto

[@adventhusiast]

With my tuareg 660 I completed this summer a 9000km tour of the spanish pirenees, the french maritime alps, the swiss, austrian and italian alps as well as the italian dolomites. almost all the famous passes in Europe. riding some days in 41C degrees heat then up to 2800m at 11C in howling wind then back down to a scorching 38C. some 350 difficult kms per day, every day, for almost a month. no highways. loaded with normal luggage and my own 100kgs of large and heavy self. Aprilia behaved admirably. Yes, it was blowing heat but got used to that long ago. Fuel economy, dead on 4.0L/100 km, got many days with 3.8. Did the 20000km service with valve check while on the trip at one Aprilia dealer on the way. No need to adjust anything. No wear, no tear. Absolutely awesome motorcycle. Pure thrill to ride it. Once I did away with the early childhood niggles of the model (mine is a ´22 and I had to change on warranty a few faulty parts in the first 3 months of ownership) reliability is 100% there, no worries. Awesome bike. I would never, ever sell it. You re right the tuareg is a very hard to beat package no matter what other bikes one throws against it.

[@DrNioky]

"a few faulty parts in the first 3 months of ownership" heavily contradicts "reliability is 100% there, no worries" man... It's like saying "it works as soon as you change all the broken parts".

[@adventhusiast]

​@@DrNioky No. It doesn't. You have to remember this was a brand new model from Aprilia and the first production batches had a number of minor faults with some of the parts. Most of the bikes sold had it. Once replaced, never happened again. After the first batches, no such problems ocurred, apparently. I find it an issue of reliability more difficult to explain the faulty screens on Honda AT for instance. One would think Honda is paramount in terms of reliability. Certainly lesser so going forward as all manufacturers have learned that planned obsolescense helps sales and profits.

[@LowQualityPigeon]

My experience with tuareg hasn't been so great. And it's mainly because of the service centre. My brand new bike had issue where the internal components in the engine were having some kind of friction which I could feel on the left peg. Despite of telling that to the service centre they always made it seem like it's normal vibration from the engine which it is not. What makes me sad is other bike I test rode works perfectly fine like butter smooth but mine runs like a tractor. It's an amazing bike and this issue might not be a big deal but it's so distracting that I don't like riding this bike anymore. It just makes me sad that it's an amazing bike but only if the service centre somehow resolves it I won't mind giving it a 10/10.

[@toprad8396]

I bought my '23 V-Strom 800DE last year while waiting for the Transalp to come to the US, which it did a few months after I bought my Suzuki. I've only put a few thousand miles on it, and haven't had any issues other than the recent tire recall, which I replaced with some Shinko 705's. I have a friend who bought his wife a TA, and she loves it, but comparing them side by side, I still don't regret not waiting for the TA. I'll be putting a Veridian cruise control on it next year for some long road trips, so looking forward to that! Thanks for the great review...I was watching the vids as you and DITR put them out, and other than the spring issue, was rather impressed that you did the whole NorCal BDR without any issues (with the bike). Reinforces my decision to purchase one! Keep up the great work!

[@Laksono01]

The comparison is much better than the old excel spreadsheet that we used to get in the past. Thumbs up!!

[@BigRockMoto]

glad to hear

[@helmkaj]

I still like the spreadsheet;) as a handout it's been helping me narrow down which first (bike) midsize to get.

[@jimpartin1144]

You’re absolutely correct about the Vstrom suspension. I have re sprung both the shock and the fork as well as re valved the fork. It is now a much more confidence inspiring bike both on and off-road. To add to the reliability argument, the Suzuki has about 1 gallon more fuel capacity, the engine has about one liter more oil capacity than it’s rivals and the subframe is a traditional bolt on unit which is a bit heavier but easily replaceable after a crash with a bent subframe. Both the Honda and the Yamaha would require a completely new frame in this situation. I enjoyed your review!

[@BigRockMoto]

Great points. Thanks

[@john0270]

What products/company did you go with for the suspension work?

[@EnochRhiza]

... details? @jimpartin1144 and @BigRockMoto... would love to know specifics on suspension recommendations. I mean heck I am doing everything else you recommend with pretty good results!

[@danmatthews4803]

I really like this set for these reviews. The simplicity, framing, and lighting is really nice. Well done!

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you like it

[@willmrx]

I have yet to watch a motorcycle reviewer on KZbin, that comes close to your reviews. You have set the standard for what a motorcycle review should be. Plus I love your new, 100 mph on a motorcycle without a helmet, hair style!

[@BigRockMoto]

Wow, thanks!

[@chadkline4268]

I 2nd that. I like the added technical understandings and maintenance info.

[@jonwoodworker]

Another honest review. I'm not weak, so the extra weight of the 800DE vs the benefits aren't a problem for me. The engine torque is what sold me on the 800DE over the competition. If I want to scream at high speeds and rpms I jump on my sport bike. The 800DE has adjustable suspension and just needs to be sprung for your weight. If you re-spring the Talp, you still can't adjust it. Obviously the 800DE isn't perfect but was the best choice for me and I trust that it will get me home every time.

[@BigRockMoto]

good points

[@krob-sn7ek]

Always great reviews Ian!! Also, I saw your BigRockMoto sticker at the top of Cinnamon Pass !! We must have been there right after you. We were there end of July/ first week of August! It was so much fun !! Me and my son rode it together, he is 21. I am 62! Been riding since I was 10, having more fun now than ever. Be safe !!

[@CGB65]

The 800 V Strom is very good but the 650 V Strom is still my choice. I am glad I have one

[@JohnDoe-1000xt]

Suzuki fan boy here OWN (5).... 2018 1000xt.. 2015 (2) gen 2 V-strom 650's.. 2014 Dr650.. all are great in there own way I like reliabilty..chk..I like smooth shifting..chk..I like build quality chk..I like aftermarket farkles..chk.. the V-twin has a character about it I find enjoyable..offroad the DR650 is light 366lbs wet..soft suspension (old guy slow aproved)..lol..the 1000xt is very nice for longer distance..lots of low end torque..low RPM at speed (freeway) the v-twin 650 great bikes (sleepers) handle well..250mile range on reg gas..no heat issues..feel light on back roads canyons.. 60MPG.. Last but not least ..2016 Bandit 1250..OMG..hold on..lol....anywho ..BIG Rock Moto ( Ian ) thank you.. your reviews chk all the boxes..SUBSCRIBED :0)

[@PhillipBear-w1w]

Funny I've done 15000 kms on mine in the heat of Australia and I've never really noticed any great amount of engine heat. Bit like some people complain about vibration which I've never noticed. Certainly if you're thinking of buying one I wouldn't be put off it's great fun to ride and I have no regrets

[@ruthlessrizza1710]

I noticed the heat a few times in traffic on 35’c + days in Aus but after changing to an aftermarket slip on exhaust I haven’t felt it again at all even on longer, hotter rides

[@PhillipBear-w1w]

Yeah to be honest I try to avoid riding in 35 degrees plus,it's not very enjoyable

[@keyboarddancers7751]

This channel really matters.

[@vittorioveltri7929]

Bro, you're even thinking about euro guys that use Celsius by converting and adding it to the video, that's why you're so loved. Thank you for these kinds of small details.

[@BigRockMoto]

Thanks

[@Angry-Lynx]

It's not "euro" guys but rather almost whole world besides US

[@borilapostolov7474]

Thanks for tuning me in. As an owner of 650xt, and also test rode the 800 de I will keep the old v twin for another year. Maybe '25 will bring the cruise control if that is the main issue...800 Heat is really a downpoint, but only in city traffic, and this is only because of the mandatory euro/ number+/emissions....keep going,mate!

[@mmelicz]

800de is a great bike. I have 1000XT and I decided to change it for the 800de. It is just pure fascination of ride on 800de... It is not easy to go "down" but I can not imagine not to do it ;-)

[@TheDualCruiser]

I really enjoy your reviews. The only thing I would love to see is more 2 up testing on all the bikes. There is not many reviews with a passenger on most bikes. Keep it up!

[@genxgamerdad71]

#1 factor for me is reliability, so I went with the T7. After getting two flats on separate rides, I bought the VMX tubeless wheels for my T7. They seem well made and are holding up well so far. Also bough the Acerbis tank for less than $300. Going to add stiffer springs and call it good. I don't feel any engine heat, even in AZ heat which a big plus!

[@andrewleaman5437]

Great reviews. Never had the opportunity to ride any of the other machines for comparison.. apart from my sxs which is a Yamaha. Almost all other of my previous bikes have been Suzukis and I have never had any problems. This v Strom has been super fun and exciting lugging my butt down of back roads and trails I haven't been down in decades. Love exploring on this bike.

[@christiaang]

I did do a test ride of the on-road edition off the V-strom 800 last year. Absolutely loved the bike! For me it was the best of three, compared to its little and bigger brother, 600 and 1050.

[@DuckingAround58]

Thank you Ian, I was very excited to watch all of your Suzuki videos over the past few months. It was a great series

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@advorlando9855]

I have a 2012 vstrom 650 and it looks like I'm sticking with it. I admit Ive never ridden an aprillia or KTM, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. I just love to ride and having something reliable vs "the best performance " is a no brainer. Maybe if I was raised around high end bikes...but I'm a 1st generation rider, and I'm quite content with my choice.

[@perimund]

I was riding back to back 650 and 800 ... really hated 800 at the end... preferred 650 even if it's "old" in all aspects. I just don't like E5 bikes... transalp feels the same..just as bad ob throttle response and fueling. Another great and fair video, 5/5☆ telling absolute truth. Tnx.

[@gabrielkopp2036]

As a vstrom 800de owner i would really like to see someone talking about suspension options for upgrades. Aside from that you are the man Ian for motorcycle reviews

[@advredbikes]

Thank you, Ian for this really in-depth series on the Suzuki. Really appreciate the comparison between the other bikes as there’s always thoughts in the future of different bikes thank you.

[@lorcanstack]

Thanks for the review. I was wondering about upgrading my V stom 650. I think now I will keep it, I use it for touring and suits my type of riding.

[@sonamor1]

What a great review! Your compare & contrast section in particular was brilliant, allowing potential buyers to gain great insights. It's rare that reviews cover so much ground, so well. Thanks from the UK.

[@derekm6236]

My daughter has an SV 650; a brilliant motor. The change to parallel twin may be good for the manufacturer, but not for the customer! 90 deg V-twins rule!

[@christophepoteaux3932]

Thanks for the detailed and honest reporting. We value greatly your impartial and no-nonesence reviews. I was very impressed with the Vstrom 800 DE after my test ride in the Spring, but the engine leg-roasting heat level is a no go for me. Not withstanding the weight for my 5'6 frame. I think I will get a try at the TransAlp, but also looking at the Vstrom 650 XT for my mostly road riding and gravel road touring. Thanks

[@Hookmeister]

I REALLY appreciate you incorporating engine heat on the legs in your review. I owned a 2024 Transalp and took this for granted when upgrading to a 2024 Africa Twin DCT. I am 6’2” and live in Central Florida and the Africa Twin feels like someone holding a hair dryer to my knees most of the summer. It really annoys me. I can handle a little heat but it’s the ‘blowing’ feeling of the heat that’s driving me crazy. I love everything else about the bike…love the looks, DCT, love Apple CarPlay, cruise control, tubeless rims (got a rear flat on the Transalp and it was a PITA to change/repair). As much I love the Africa Twin I will likely sell it next year. Presently I feel like I’ll go back to the lighter, no heat Transalp and spend money on adding cruise control and tubeless rims. I also own a DRZ400S so that pushes me away from the Yamaha T7. That said the Yamaha Tracer GT has my attention but I have no idea about the leg heat thing. That’s become my number one thing to avoid, and I never noticed heat at all on the Transalp.

[@Angry-Lynx]

2018 AT there's absolutely no heat issue in fact it's very well controlled so I guess new emission equipment

[@tracythorleifson]

Another great summary review! Thanks, Ian! What the manufacturers, particularly the Japanese, don’t seem to understand is that these middleweight ADVs are actually superlative, go anywhere _tourers._ In that light, lack of cruise control is a crime against riding humanity. I shelled out the extra bucks for the ‘24 Triumph Tiger Rally Pro precisely because it comes with _all_ the creature comforts - cruise control, heated grips, heated seats, etc. I won’t be doing anything more with it off-road than bombing down fire roads, and it’s fine for that. If I want to do single track, I’ll ride my dirt bike. Get a clue, manufacturers- I need a 1,000cc off-road bike like a need a hole in my head.

[@BIBuildy]

Oh wow, that stunning horizon and mountains around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="142">2:22</a> and <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="186">3:06</a> - absolutely beautiful!

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

I tested the TA the DE and the T7. I chose the TA and resprung it for less than $1k, I added a bash plate, handguards, higher screen, usb port and a few other bits and bobs for about $1k. The bike now is perfect for the 80/20 riding that I do. Prices quoted ate $AUD so about $1200 USD. I'm pretty sure I would have been very happy with the DE also.

[@DerpEye]

For about 1k more you can probably get a base Africa Twin.

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

Sure, their will always be other choices that could be made. Having rode a friends tiger sport last week, I wouldn't mind one of them either.

[@OzPatrol66]

Mate, gotta say im loving your videos, im in Australia, do a few dumb videos myself on my travels which have been prodominently 4wd until recently. I decided to get back into adv bike touring and upgrade the old 2010 f800gs. I was set on a vstrom 800de, fitted most of my criteria. But after much procastination, and ignoring the budget i set, i chose a Tiger 900 rally pro. Although the suzi was the pick for price in my opinion, the trumpy filled all the gaps on my list, and boy am i happy. 2500kms on the first week half of that offroad. Being a tad short at 170, that took a few bikes off the list straight away. Anyway your non bias reviews greatly assisted my choosing of this bike. Loving it and very confident i chose the right bike for me. Cheers.

[@charliechance8589]

Thanks for the great review. Currently own both a 2024 GSX-8S and a 2024 VStrom 650XT. Love the 800 engine in the GSX-8S package but also a huge fan of the value of the VStrom 650XT. Suzuki has 2 platforms that work real well.

[@PavelessAdventure]

I really like the v strom I think the styling is well done as well!

[@toltod]

Great review. I'll be taking my 800DE into the Arizona desert this weekend for the first time so nice preview of how the bike is gonna handle with those Dunlops. Cheers!

[@MikeK6046]

IMO, this is a VERY COMPLETE/ Comprehensive review, "Job well done", and really helps in deciding to get either the Suzuki, Aprilia or Honda (all very nice machines). Thanks again for your well-done, unbiased, but personal reviews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@EnochRhiza]

Happy 800DE owner here, you NAILED it in the pros and cons. Could cast your points in bronze. And for anyone making a purchase decision, my 2 cents is if you want to get more aggressive off road, you might consider a lighter bike or a second bike that you can toss more. If I were going back in time I would get a T7 and a touring bike instead of try to get both in one bike. But... I still get my smiles weekly riding my 800DE.

[@RainnMakerr]

Ian, your reviews are simply the best!!!! Keep making these great review!!! This bike Looks like the previous gen F800gs which i really liked. This bike looks better than the Transalp imo. It has more character than the Transalp and this color scheme is really attractive. the engine heat issue may be a deal breaker since many rider take advantage of the warmer weather especially for adv riding. Lastly I wish it was a bit lighter.

[@jondiaz3475]

Thank you for the incredibly detailed analysis! Appreciate the job you do.

[@carlosvejar3938]

I have the street version of this the V-STROM 800 and i daily her 35 miles every day. Amazing on the freeway all that low end torque is perfect for freeway merging. I put 200 miles a week on her an average $16 a week to fill.

[@UnconsciousCompetence]

As someone who's been keenly interested in the 800de since it came out, I've been finding myself cross shopping it with the Africa Twin base model more than anything. Mostly based on the fact that they are the same weight. It is about the same price for the adventure spec on the Suzuki with the upgrades included, however you get more power, cruise, and tubeless with the Africa Twin.

[@Angry-Lynx]

There's no even comparison AT is in another universe especially 2020+ models with cruise. AT is imo the best adv bike IF you can handle her weight offroad. I tested gs1200 and Kove800 and AT is way better overall. Yes Kove feels very light for adv but weight is not everything to the bike... Feels like beta/unfinished project but quality is there. imo weight is one of less important aspects, way overrated.

[@socaladventure2340]

I agree. I just picked up a 24 base AT and it's an incredible machine. Great offroad, I believe it's really underrated.

[@pigmeal2224]

Exactly the same as us. We ultimately went DE over AT base for just 2 reasons - air filter access, and those over complicated switchblocks on the Honda. No regrets ... but I will confess I feel a little pang when I see an AT glide by ... 😊

[@insatiable_mind]

Great review video. The only thing you didn’t cover is pillion comfort which most people aren’t interested in anyway and they should probably test ride with their passenger if that’s important to them.

[@richarddonaldson4018]

Statistics tell you numbers, v strom 800 de does not win by numbers but by how it performs in the real world, It is way faster than me , love it

[@kevinsterner9490]

Ian, another great review video. I own a Transalp and I feel your points on all these bikes are spot on. When I decided to downsize from my 2017 Africa Twin. My priorities were weight, (especially less top heavy) reliability, comfort and looks. The TA checked all the buttons. The KTM came out a little after I purchased the TA so I would have considered that one but i have had several riding buddies experience problems with KTMs and reliability was a big priority. Keep the great content coming

[@gBeau55]

As soon as they offer tubeless front/rear, I'll sell my 18 wee strom that I dearly love and buy one. Every day I ride my 650 xt Strom on/off road it continues to impress me. It has tubeless both ends and I'll hang on to it for that reason until Suzuki answers back with tubeless for the 800

[@christiaang]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="619">10:19</a> amen! We want more 700-800 cc with cruise conttrol! Only Aprilia does listen.

[@danipokornik9463]

Another great comparison Ian. This was really useful. Had me laughing on Transalp vs Tuareg!

[@anadventureoutdoors]

absolutely love my 800de. did the Chattahoochee bdrx on it and managed to only bottom out twice on the front and once on the back. i tried to just watch and ease up a little and that seemed to do the trick. my buddy picked up a nail on the bdrx and tubeless would have saved us one hour, but not to bad...i just wish touratech would come out with a back shock and the front springs were progressive enough that that last 3 inches of travel would really tighten up. Im going to give the seat customs low seat a try. i would like to be a little lower ( my feet while off road ) to the ground. i have a Corbin seat on right now and it has a metal pan and weighs probably 20lbs. but is comfortable. great review as always.....

[@ralphcantrell3214]

Suzuki is notorious for undersprung suspension. I have found that it actually works great in certain situations though, mainly when hauling butt down fairly-well graded gravel and dirt forest roads.

[@nickabrahall1412]

Very thorough and thoughtful long term review as we have come to expect.you are the human spreadsheet Ian 🥇

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@RamblingRuters]

Kove my Tuareg, super reliable, inly replacement was thenfuel sensor done for free thanks to my dealer, since then, absolutely no problem whatsoever, over 10,000mi and I love it

[@BigRockMoto]

awesome

[@Jimo368]

As a V Strom 1000 owner, this bike was on my short list until I heard about the weight, heat and premium fuel requirements.

[@smashy_smasherton]

Yeah, I’d just keep my old 1000.

[@independentatheartoutdoors6191]

I’m glad Mosko finally got with the program and made some Giant Loop bags that have sensible weights.

[@tjs201971]

I saw that Suzuki is going to have vstrom 650 line in 2025. I agree I believe that the vstrom 650 I better for those who are starting out or who doesn’t want a big bike feeling

[@sphyrnidus]

Thank you for your review. I own an 800 DE and put 16k km on it so far. I really like it, except indeed for the suspension and the heat. I'm going to have the suspension upgraded next week, before leaving for Morocco in december. The heat on the right hand side is indeed really annoying, especially in summer. We live in a temperate climate, so most often it doesn't bother me all that much, but when it's hot. it's really hot. I had the tires made tubeless so that's fixed. Before this I had the 650 XT, which I also loved, but it was just a bit too small for a tall guy like me. I couldn't stand up comfortably on the 650, which made riding off-road not all that easy. My wife still rides the 650 and is very happy with it. Btw I would never buy an Italian bike or a KTM as they are just not reliable enough and getting them fixed outside of the western world, would pose some great problems. They might be more fun riding, but if they fail....

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks for sharing

[@drz400sm5]

Totally agree.

[@danielkramer8586]

Engine heat or exhaust heat?

[@sphyrnidus]

@@danielkramer8586 It's the engine.

[@OzMOTO]

Love your comprehensive reviews! 😊

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you like them!

[@arturmarcio630]

Great comparison, honest is bliss thanks, will get my 800DE or AT1100 lol

[@john0270]

the important thing is just pick a bike and go with it..... upgrade whatever you think is defficiant and just get out and ride.... I like my 800de, I like my old klr, I like my harley dyna, my vstrom 650...... just ride and enjoy!

[@pars5027]

Thanks for a really good review and comparision. Like this style of compaision, real riding vs spec. sheets.

[@cliftonsr]

Suzuki 800DE feels to have more low end only due to being geared lower that’s it and the same goes for the Tuareg 660, well the Tuareg 660 is really geared even lower, and how I know cause I own these bikes and you can also look at and compare the gear ratio specs. Awesome video Ian and you are still the best adventure bike reviewer in my book!

[@airadaimagery692]

You’ve come a long way, and your hard work really shows and it is much appreciated. I prefer smaller dual sport content, but I watch you do bigger bike reviews because you’re just good at it. Will you ever review the XR and or DR, or have I missed those?

[@thorstentrapp274]

Cheers mate. Yeah, the engine heat has been addressed as a significant con by others too. I'm in a sub-tropical region. So, as much as I like this bike, I think it's better to stay away from it. They should fix that and put cruise control on...that would help sales a lot.

[@papertiger795]

I'd like your opinion on the standard 800. The vast majority of my time with that bike will be on pavement (95%), but I'd still like the option to tractor down a dirt road occasionally. Is the base platform itself worthy of a starting price that matches the Transalp? Or other bikes outside the dirt focused ADV segment?

[@PisgahGravelProject]

Great series. Well done.

[@BigRockMoto]

Many thanks!

[@PisgahGravelProject]

That said, 2things) would have liked to see the same level of performance upgrades done to the DE as the transalp received in the 6month test. A lithium battery, light weight exhaust alone make a huge difference offroad. It'd about a 17pound weight reduction with just those two. Arrow header without the CAT drops it another 8. I don't remember the exact cost of the suspension upgrades to the transalp, but let's say 2,000-3000dollars. Can you imagine how much better the DE would handle if it had the same level of attention to detail in the suspension department as the XL750 received? I can, and suspension is by far the most important thing when talking about handling and offroad performance. All that said, now that Aprilia has fixed the footpeg pin issues, incorrect suspension shim installation, and the bike is now offered with better, stronger, tube type wheels, I am putting money down on a Taureg 660 Rally. I've riding the standard, and it is by far superior to any of the mid sized adv bikes, but I'll be dammed if I walk in pay cash for a bike that was assembled with inferior footpeg pins, has the suspension shims installed correctly and almost 50% have leaky shift shaft seals from the dozens of owners I have conversed with. I feel that the Aprila then only has one major issue. Heat. The fix is a header without a CAT and then reprogram the engine control unit. After that, the Aprilia will only have one other 'possible' issue. Spring rates. That is debatable, as the rally should have stiffer springs, but let's be 100% honest. We're talking about a street bike company, and suspension is subjective. So who knows how it'll come out of the box. Suspension is subjective based upon rider weight, intended luggage, rider skill level, and the area you live in and what it'll be used for. I had a bike set up years ago for southern Appalachian single track. Rocky, slimy, muddy, steep trails is what I set the bike up for. We took a trip to Utah and the stuff we were riding was faster desert riding and and faster, dry, slabby' single track. My suspension sucked bad in Utah. Even adjusting the clickers didn't make it right. The valving and shim stacks weren't correct for the type of terrain I was attacking at the speed were we pushing. My point is, when a bike comes from the factory, the manufacturer has it set up for a certain sized rider doing a certain type of riding. The rally will undoubtedly have better suspension but will it be better on slow steep slippery single track with near vertical ups and downs? Or will it be set up to attack to fly through the desert at 70 mph wheelie-ing over shoe box sized rocks? Who knows for sure, but chances are even the rally will need the suspension fine tuned for the type of abuse I put our bikes through.

[@cnu7065]

Ian, you look great in that warmer studio light!

[@BigRockMoto]

Thank you kindly

[@deanwelsh5702]

I test rode a transalp and wasn’t sold on it in the hour that I had on it . I then test road a vstrom de . After a 2 hour test ride I was definitely not sold on the strom . I’ve already owned a crfl 1000 and found it to heavy. The tennere I discounted because of its more off-road bias. So I decided to go for a transalp even though I wasn’t sure after the test ride . I bought a used one privately for a lot less than a new one. After 3 months of ownership I’m so glad I bought it . For me it’s a perfect bike for uk riding so comfortable and definitely enough power . I do believe we get a big more power here at 92hp it might not be the best off road but in the uk you would do well to spend more the 30 mins off road if you’re looking for it and the rest is all tarmac . The more I ride it the more I like it .

[@davebritten6922]

Likewise in New Zealand we get the full power version. 92hp = good fun!

[@akiuliano]

These bikes are great, but wanting tubeless and CC shouldn’t be the hill they die on. Give the customer what they want. The V85TT has it all and a simple to work on air cooled engine along with Shaft Drive. Very reliable.

[@cblais19]

Even in mild temps my right knee area was getting noticeably warm in lighter weight riding pants. Had enough and traded teh 800DE in the other week; my biggest regret is not waiting for the Transalp to be available back in '23. Wish Honda could send their fuel mapping engineers to go learn from Suzuki though!

[@winduncan9818]

I put 25 or 30k on my VStrom 650. The problem for me with the 800DE and the Transalp was they aren't available used yet. I picked up a used 2018 Africa Twin with 12k on it for $7800 and got adjustable suspension. I had to change the springs on my VStrom, vs a couple turns of a wrench on the AT. So for me it was a cheaper used bike with better suspension or pay more for a bike with suspension I probably won't be happy with.

[@SWTrailsAndWheels]

Loving the hair.

[@DerpEye]

I've switched to a naked bike from an Africa Twin a year ago. Looking at the current adventure bike line up, if i had to go back to those bikes, i would rather get a second hand Africa Twin or a 1050 Vstrom, than any of these newer midsize offerings. I never go offroad, and the liter bikes all have more power, have tubeless, most have cruise control, better suspension etc. Even the new Transalp/Vstrom800 don't even come close to the AT1000 i had before. The reality is, if they had to put all those features on the midsized bikes, let's face it: they would cost 95% as much as the flagships. An 800DE with the same features of the 1050, is the same bike, and the bigger displacement would probably only amount to 500 bucks difference.

[@tactical1224]

I agree...well stated!

[@pigmeal2224]

Thanks!! Would have loved to see at least a comment on headlight performance. I say this only because we have had our DE for just on 12 months now and its only weak point, in our opinion, is arguably the worst headlight performance we've ever encountered. Our old Honda CRF230 has a better night pattern. We don't ride at night, but if we did we wouldn't until we've had auxiliaries fitted.

[@steveh545]

300K. Whoop whoop!!🙌

[@rosslangerak8361]

Another question. Why a low center of gravity? If you are on a dirt road getting bounced around by rocks, your tires have to move left and right in response to maintain balance. With a low center of gravity, the tires have to push more weight in response to each bump and jostle. With a high center of gravity, there is less weight down low to move around. Also, with a low center of mass, the axial rotation of the bike is lower, the tires can't reach as far, and the handlebars move more. If the axis of rotation is higher, the tires can reach farther and the handlebars move less. It seems to me the higher center of gravity is more nimble. Of course, the higher center of gravity is harder to pick up when you go down.

[@socaladventure2340]

That's why I prefer the T7. It also corners better than the low cg motorcycles, at least for me.

[@NoSkillzMoto]

I have 26k on mine and the suspension is even softer. I had my valves done and no adjustment was needed. I thought about the Taureg but I hate my local dealer and parts wait is close o 6 months. In all my time my Suzuki hasn't let me down and I do some silly stuff on it offroad. Granted I got couple quirks like the TC and ABS get stuck because of mud on the sensors. The crash bars you have on that bike are crap, I managed to bend part of my frame (replaceable) and crack a fairing. Nice thing is that fairings are cheap compared to other bikes. This bike is very good for what I do with it, yes heat is not great but I had worse, KTM 1290 is a crotch cooker. I am also thinking of doing suspension when it comes up and changing out my rear wheel to a 18". There are some talented bike specialists that can get this bike down a lot of KGs. JJ Motorcycles in Netherlands. I use to hate the fact I had tubed but after seeing a nasty insta deflation of a KTM tubeless and massive injuries riding on the local offroads I rather have tubes.

[@pistolpete6321]

Great video, very informative!

[@ronaldbrenner6821]

Great video...watched your review on the Africa Twin you also felt a lot of heat ...which one is less of a problem...and how does the heat compare to the bmw 1300? Thanks for your insights.

[@PetersJourney]

thx a lot for the great comparison. I have a V Strom 650 and tried the 800de. The heat was also an issue for me. The V Strom 650 is also smoother if you ride really in the lower RPMs. I have a modified version and than there is the question...does the 800DE brings me to places which the 650 XT isn't? I don't think so. All thee best from Vienna!

[@Mudjimba23AT]

I test rode the 800de and really liked it however the dealer wasn't to keen on any more than half hour at most ! Then rode the transalp after 20 minutes on it I took it it back as I knew it wasn't for me. Two weeks later I picked up my second Africa twin couldn't be happier,yes they're bloody heavy but having my drz for the trickier riding I've got best of both worlds . Thanks again mate your reviews are spot on 👌👏

[@mrcreative6020]

I loved my KTM 790 adventure R. It was made in Austria 2020 my big concern now would be the cheese cams that seem to wear like putty. I would definitely buy another VStrom 650 or 1000 over the 800 DE, because I want tubeless and I don’t want engine heat on my legs. I now drive a Yamaha super Tenere 1200, which I love for so many reasons but it is heavy and it does drink the juice. If only KTM would make a 790 adventure R, that had the reliability of a Japanese Bike and a more comfortable seat, they would sell a lot more of them

[@adventureundone]

Great video man. It sounds like the transalp takes the win here. I was seriously considering getting a V Strom 800 DE. But I didn’t enjoy the transalp too much so I might have to reconsider. If you were to go out and buy one or the other right now, what one would you pick? Transalp or Vstrom (800de) 🤝

[@BigRockMoto]

Probably the Honda, I like the lighter weight and less engine heat on legs.

[@sealanderadventures]

Previously to you asked viewers for suggestions, Were there ever any modifications suggestions for the engine heat issue? Thanks for this series!

[@zbynekanders8779]

Great comparison 👍

[@staypuftmarshmallowgamer8790]

I love the 800de…..being 6’4 240LBs the bike feels to be the right size for me and weight of bike is perfectly fine for me….The only issue I have had is the fuel range on the TFT display only measures 3 bars and gives me a range of about 180 miles when I fill up so I am not for sure if it’s something in my settings or a faulty sensor

[@fixento]

Now that the TA 750's warranty are up, and the US motorcycle tuning shops have done their duty. The TA's engine power has been increased up to 25 percent, taking engines output from 83.5 to 104 crank or 88.7 wheel HP. That's about the same HP as the Africa Twin. In addition, it added more even low end torque at expense of losing 3 to 4 mpg, and the bike runs cooler. You should think about borrowing a tuned TA 750, it's a whole new level of an adventure bike being light, quick, nimble and responsive You are correct, there are no bad adventure bikes, each has it's unique strengths and weakness, but the Transalp 755 cc engine, low center of gravity, and light strong frame it's exceptional. Had it came with tubeless spoked wheels, and full suspension, it would be better than Africa Twin and that is why is doesn't. . Incidentally, Veridian Cruse now has "resume button" upgrade with an easy to mouth handlebar control for $20.

[@CptSlow89]

Tenere just had a recall for clutch as V Strom for tyres.

[@iangriffiths9930]

At least these company’s are issuing a recall, un like other manufactures who took a year or more plus a huge amount of public pressure to issue one 🤷‍♂️

[@BobSacamano-dy3wg]

Fun fact, the issue is the clutch plates are not soaked in oil during assembly. This has affected all CP2 based bikes going back to the release of the MT07. I've had two bikes with this engine, same problem. I removed the clutch and soak the plates. Costs a gasket and about an hour of labor. It transforms the shifting and clutch feel of the bike significantly.

[@No_one1776]

Great review.

[@mickleblade]

For me personally, I want a Transalp with cat wheels and 19" front, bit like the Vstrom 800 RE, just with a Honda badge.

[@vittorioveltri7929]

Do you have access to CF Moto in the US ? They'll release the new 800 mt-x beginning of next year and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would love you to test it.

[@74motorhead]

Thanks for another great video. I love my 2024 800de. I did find the speedometer was off by 5 mph. Did you notice this in your riding?

[@BigRockMoto]

yes

[@Channelterror117]

Thank you for doing this.

[@CptSlow89]

When USA people say gallon I think about some milk package thing with fuel...

[@schalksteyn9594]

You should have a look at the new Voge DS900. New Chinese equvalant to ghe BMW R900GS. Going at half the price of the BMW but has all the bells and whistles. Awesome bike.

[@peterjensen6645]

When compering it to the vstrom 650 i think its importent to mention the difference in offroad preformance. If it was the same i would still own a 650 strom, but the 800 is way more fun and capable offroad in my opinon.

[@BigRockMoto]

true

[@GraemeRobinson]

Good stuff Ian. Would love to see you review the Super Tenere 1200. I have met some people who love this bike and rack up many thousands of kilometers a year. They seem like the SUV truck of adventure bikes but little is spoken of them.

[@BigRockMoto]

I've been trying to get one but yamaha never writes back

[@CraigSmith568]

I like the Aprilia, but the nearest dealership is about 100 miles away. My second choice is the Honda, but they are going to have to offer it in something besides the matte finish before I buy one. I actually want one for on road mostly. I just prefer the riding position of these adventure bikes. I would just pay the extra to get the aftermarket cruise.

[@E_Clampus_Vitus]

I can’t do a bike that is designed with a light that turns on and can only be turned off by the dealer. I’m sure it’s a nice bike that’s just too weird for me to get involved with. I mean, who owns the bike? The person that controls where the bike goes. If the bike wants to go the dealer, maybe it loves the dealer more than me. Maybe the Toureg and the Dealer have a relationship going on behind my back. 😮

[@JayCeaupes]

Another great review. Thanks, Ian! Will you be reviewing the Moto Guzzi Stelvio?