SWAIN REWORK 2024 NEW ABILITIES CHANGES PREVIEW - League of Legends

[@RemusNeo]

The changes seem pretty interesting, especially the instantly exploding or multiple exploding new ultimate, what do you think? 😸 Watch until the end and leave a like or I will send the ravens after you to bite you!! 🐦‍🐦‍ Reach Diamond in League of Legends with 1 on 1 coaching: www.soloqsolution.com/remus

[@kimschwabe6104]

I think i would love a q change in direction of statics effect. They could higher the range and make it jump to different targets for farming with lesser dmg after the 3 Hit for ez first wave clear (only on minions on champions each jump could be smaler in dmg) id like to see that could be a skillshot like ez q too or point to click like old fiddle e? That would be so cool!

[@skoopz612]

Me and the other 4 swain mains are hyped Hopefully they leave the ult "indefinite time till hits champs" and they don't just make it a toggle

[@keeksstrondhigh2532]

If they make it a toggle, make it so that he sends out birds to attack and stuff... oh wait

[@Justanothermusicnerdxo]

I hope they consider doing a full revert like Rengar.

[@BraveExodus]

Swain main checking in!

[@Brakka86]

Me play Swain n Shen. Me hope RITO buff bird man gud.

[@anigodzapex9384]

Old Ravenous Flock was literally the coolest Ability in the Game. A Unique way to give a Mage no stats and still make him Durable. Having to manage the ever increasing Mana Cost, to get Health back as long as you manage it. Gave a tiny bit off Neutral Sustain and could be used in comboes and trades. Was simple, satisfying, Unique and reasonable to have for a Battle Mage. Was better to fight against, because it didnt instantly activated Spell Effects like Lyiandris and Rylais. Its somehow sounds like Swain is one of the Characters, that only needet small Adjustmants to make him more fun for a bigger audience and was completly fine and way better designed then the new Swain, who tried to fix what isnt broken. PS: Watch Vars Retrospect Video, mentions this exact statement and its not far from the truth.

[@anubisschatten5103]

Imo his W is the most interesting ability of Swain. It fits thematically super well to the grand overseer of Noxus who has his minions everywhere and let’s no one hide within his realm of power. The inherent semi-global pressure in summoners rift is a very fun consequence, when you can support your allies and maybe snack some assists from mid lane.

[@Blastoisiken]

Agreed. W is the most fun ability in his kit. Nothing more satisfying then sniping a recall and or getting a kill with it.

[@tanghoannam7387]

It's fun for checking dragons and baron site too Once accidentally stole a baron with it lol

[@revendax2584]

@@tanghoannam7387 I remember stealing old baron once with my Janna Q. The enemy team was either livid or in complete disbelief

[@patryhy1475]

Ye, I fully agree. His W fits him the most consoderimg he has fucking DEMON OF KNOWLEDGE inside him, also W is the most support/mid skewed ouf of all his abilities and I think those are 2 roles they should prioriotize.

[@MehF00L]

Swain W is why I started playing the champ, it's insane how much you could do with the ability! I hope they don't change cuz it's great skill expression 😢

[@raistlinmajere1000]

I think it will fix most of Swain's issues and it is really well thought. The only one that I wish they paid attention to, is how the hp stacking mechanic does not scale with the rest of his kit. It would be nice to add some hp scaling on his kit.

[@baoboba]

they did really well with smolder’s stacking mechanic and they should do something like that

[@revendax2584]

That's a really good point. That'd be nice if they could integrate that somewhere! I think though the thought process behind the HP in general is that when he's ulting the enemy team and in the thick of the fight he benefits from having extra HP to help him survive longer. It helps compensate for the fact hes a midrange mage generally speaking. So even though he doesn't have anything that scales with HP it still helps him do his role. But back to you, I agree I feel like they should integrate it with the rest of his kit somehow. Would feel more logical.

[@jackedmedenthusiast]

how is that, I think if they give us the option which stat (stuff that are thematic with swain) we can pick. But imagine with me, we literally can farm 800-1000 health with it, pro players maybe more

[@lavandalavada4228]

@@raistlinmajere1000 I agree, in the past, Swain's ult explosion scaled with the passive stacks, they could go back to that.

[@shanx9750]

Maybe hp scaling healing on his ult together with ap

[@promethiada]

I actually like Swain's W. Baron and dragon steals, as well as getting a kill on an enemy in fog feels incredibly rewarding. I suppose they could give it a passive, maybe something that has to do with max health per lvl, or maybe increase the vision it gives to make it a better scouting tool

[@zat1245]

It’s not that it’s not liked, it’s that it’s out of place. Feels random to have.

[@promethiada]

@@zat1245 Thematically it fits him, but it is clunky. Hence why I suggested a passive on his W

[@lavandalavada4228]

​@@zat1245 To me it's an intentional inconsistency, since Swain is this great strategic general with a demon that sees everything, what causes this need to have a spy skill

[@yahsatron3736]

​@@lavandalavada4228yeahh I was about to comment that exact thing but also swain is one of my mains and after hitting your e you can get a garenteed w hit this works the other way around also the zoning in fights that the w gives just helps so much with swain staying on enemies. Just because it's a unique ability doesn't mean it's out of place.

[@NideshKumaresan]

It's unironically my favorite part of his kit

[@ragix9307]

I love playing Swain but the stacks always felt so underwhelming, hopefully this makes it feel better

[@greenhardin1700]

I like Swain W, it’s a nice tactical ability for stopping recalls, cutting off escape routes, slowing down pursuers, etc. It adds something not just for Swain, but for the entire team, and it would be a shame to remove it just cuz it doesn’t match his kit.

[@lavandalavada4228]

Exactly, I think it's a very limiting anchor for the team not to be able to have a skill that stands out a little from the rest of the kit.

[@newweaponssoldier4127]

Exactly. It’s such a unique, interesting and versatile ability.

[@Kylesico912x]

Plus it's not like it doesn't work well with his kit. Land the E, pop W and pull them right into it, then chase with Q while they are slow. I say keep it.

[@wooaahh23]

ok no. stop reaching. let it get removed, it actually is holding him back

[@icure_7375]

​@@wooaahh23How is it holding him back, its literally a insane ability, stealing baron drakes, stopping recalls or killing someone in fog of war, zoning in teamfights, slows, good e w combo, what are you talking about man

[@FNsquirrelhatesyou]

I like swain W. The rare dragon/baron steals, the back denial, and ks-ing from mid to side lanes. Hopefully, it won't be a big change.

[@wellanhfdsl9727]

Swain W sucks I don't remember how many times I cast it in front of an enemy coming back to lane without looking at his screen and he just walk through it before it activate

[@ruben2o147]

Nah

[@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720]

@@wellanhfdsl9727 put it further ahead? match their ms?

[@emptyslots6163]

​@@wellanhfdsl9727thats just because u suck at swain watch husum and see how effectively he uses it

[@jordancallahan5893]

​@wellanhfdsl9727 I agree it's too long to cast,.definitely doesn't suck, tho. Use it to for vision, assist team in fights, don't depend on it for poke. If you hit with E it's a guaranteed W.

[@tomasherrero3197]

Maybe don't give every champ 3 fucking lane roles and then it would be easier to balance them

[@Krasnal428]

Yeah, I feel like its not really true that support players enjoy playing swain. It's more about Swain players realising that support is the only playable role.

[@tomasherrero3197]

@@Krasnal428 It's horrid. I play Swain since the old days and I hate that the only viable way to play a champ I love is babysitting an ADC

[@Synlo-t9m]

That's just plain stupid. Something I like about LoL compared to other mobas is that each champ (except yuumi I guess) can technically played in at least 2 roles, that each champion forge their own identity in a role if they perform well enough but that doesn't stop them from being useful when played somewhere else, and I really like that

[@tomasherrero3197]

@@Synlo-t9m It's not "plain" anything. You have champs that are versatile and champs that are not. When you try to give every champ a side lane it only brings trouble when balancing and compromises the champion identity in his original role. I don't want to play Brand supp or jg, why must the mid role suffer from that? And Swain? And Vel'Koz and Morgana, and Quinn, and a lot more champions. I'm not saying champions shouldn't have a side line, but not every champion should, it's been proven time and time again to be an unhealthy balancing mess

[@A2Lettuce]

@@Krasnal428 swain is playable top and mid. sure not the best but also not the worst

[@zinnmann3883]

SWAIN MAINS GATHER.

[@promethiada]

FOR NOXUS

[@dreamergamer9291]

@@promethiada BY OUR HANDS WILL NOXUS RISE!!!!

[@Brakka86]

Bird man sronk now!? Me like bird man.

[@jasoncrosby9558]

Swain mains are so happy, while seraphine mains who played her mid has to go through.

[@ItsJustKaya]

I realy liked the walking shtick swain. It was frustrating how slow he felt or was but i genuinly liked the slow paste playstyle of it

[@LangravioShosh]

"he doesn't feel like a battlemage, let's make him an ap carry" who fucking cares about cool designs when you can just make ap carries and that's it? To me he always was a toplane mage that should have built ap+tank items. Now he will just become a boring ap carry, just like the other mages, gg Rito

[@altide8784]

Agree on this.. this does not emphasize his battlemage identity

[@berzy2056]

If we are talking about abilities that don't fit the champion let's talk about Kalista's W, most random abbility ever

[@youraveragegrandma568]

Im drunk lol

[@gjuie0051]

@@youraveragegrandma568 kalista w no kaisa

[@eth3re4lgames42]

LMAO

[@berzy2056]

@@youraveragegrandma568 I'm talking about Kalista 😭, Kaisa's W really suits her

[@ike9108]

kayle W being a heal, in a runiest down lane

[@Maydnight]

His W does fit his kit in a way, it's an alternate way for you to gain souls, a way to compensate a bit for his short range and is a way to check bushes like how most mages can do without it he cannot check bushes safely It literaly help with his weakpoints

[@derangedclownie]

^^ literally this, his w feels so uniquely his AND very rewarding whenever it lands. Very helpful for checking/stealing drags, slowing running enemies in team fights, etc. Not only that but it's accurate to his lore too, possibly my favorite ability of his

[@lothara.schmal5092]

His W fits his theme, and it works on his kit, but it doesnt quite fit. Think Jhin, his traps, W, R and Q not only all fit his theme, but complement each other and his passive in a seamless way. Swain W isnt season 3 level of disconectivity in design, but its also not up to par with today's standards.

[@derangedclownie]

@@lothara.schmal5092 it might not be up to par with the standards for LoL today, but Swain as a whole doesn't really fit into the new meta. Considering he has very low mobility, I feel it's smartest he gets to keep his only ability that slows enemies if you don't catch them with your E in the scenario you're chasing after/running from them

[@ChromeKnight26]

Bruh His W makes sense lore wise. He’s a veteran commander who needs vision and information about the battle. He’s a battle mage. His W is for zoning and ability setup. Q is short range cuz it’s bursty. Swain feels weak because he has no mobility in the meta where everyone has dash or jump. A simple fix would be to bring back his right click pull passive which was more engaging and fun to play.

[@altide8784]

Yet his crows won't grant him vision 2 feet away..

[@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720]

make w ground the enemy on top of the slow

[@JJBeauregard1]

Swain's W is a remnant of the first time he got reworked because old Swain had the title "The Tactician" or something like that to keep a little bit of old Swain's character design. In my opinion they should've tried to incorporate Beatrice (his companion bird that shot the laser) instead and make her be the demon he draws power from or something similar.

[@海誠ー]

Tbh just replace current swain w with any of old swains basic abilities

[@Tearynite]

They did Incorporate Beatrice with his Q.

[@raijaeger5798]

beatrice comeback maybe?

[@zbyszekkiebasa906]

How about they revert him into a sustain mage instead of trying to patch this nothing kit

[@altide8784]

Aatrox get to heal like a MF but Swains healing is barely noticable

[@ahmadmanahi6312]

i think they just need to make his q range that stacks with his passive and add an indicator for it that is always on like ww ult range indicator

[@MatthewTheUntitled]

I think E should be like anivia's or velkoz's Q, where you can recast it to detonate/pull back

[@maxhuang7076]

Perhaps for Swain's Q, they can make it be like Pantheon's Q. Swain can tap his q for wide hitbox and quick cast time (whatever he has right now) and hold his q for narrow but longer hitbox (around the same range as his E) with slower cast time.

[@sevaneken3461]

​@@maxhuang7076this is a great idea

[@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720]

@@maxhuang7076 that would be fun, starts in a wider cone and narrows the longer it's channeled

[@luisfreitas3416]

His kit should be fairly easy to "fix". Passive - Actually not that bad, just needs more consistency(Consistent stacking can be fixed by making E more consistent which in turn makes landing W more consistent, this will be explained in E section) and more impact (Explained in the R section) Q - Actually is fine as it is W - Against CC'd enemies deals +50% damage. (So it's full combo actually deals a decent chunk of damage) E - Slows enemies by 50% for 0.5s when the claw is moving outwards. When the claw moves inwards it won't explode unless it hits an enemy champion specifically. (Yes, it's still easier to hit enemies in Mid range than Close range, but that's the point, to bring mid range enemies Closer to Maximize Q damage and make them stay longer in ur R) R: Demonic Energy Decay after 5s: 7.5 --> 10 Heal per Second: 15/27.5/40 (+18% AP) --> 15/22.5/30 (+18% AP) (+0/0.5/1 per Soul Fragment) New Effect: Swain gains +0/0.5/1 Armor and Magic Resist per Soul Fragment for each enemy champion being drained by R Level 6 Swain is actually strong, hence why R remains unchanged at this levels, however as the enemies start to get items Swain heavily falls behind, full AP Swain dies in a heartbeat, and full Tank Swain (Even with Liandrys) barely deals damage and doesn't stack well with tank items(R heal only scales with AP). This change makes it so that R actually makes Swain tankier in teamfights in addition to increasing it's healing with Soul Fragments(Which increasing healing even in non-AP focused builds). The increase in Demonic Energy Decay makes it so Swain mantains his Ult for less time after 5s if no enemies are being drained, the objective is to make Swain Ult more rewarding but only when played to it's purpose, long lasting teamfights.

[@sinarchbishop5102]

W should have cast time reduced per lvl.. You can still hit it at early lvls.. but mid to late game it becomes impossible unless target is fully cced or just walks into it and not doge..

[@tamunaabazadze9087]

2 demonflares seem pretty nice! I hope they go with that idea! One at the start of his ult and the other becoming available after a few seconds like the current one seems pretty damn good! If they're worried about it being too broken, then they could make it so the first one does the most damage and the rest do a bit less!

[@torri776]

The biggest problem facing Swain's design right now is that his DoT ultimate has literally no counterplay when you combine it with Rylai's, which basically makes it impossible for melees to move.

[@jericho2281999]

The counter play is you need to spend 2600 gold to make your ult effective. And if you rush it you get 0 mana and 0 CDR. Noob.

[@icure_7375]

Considering that the most effective rylai abusers are champions that dont need to use their ults to have same value this is pretty resonable no?

[@jericho2281999]

@@icure_7375 yeah and almost all other mages get to rush a lost chapter item giving huge mana regen and a good chunk of CDR.

[@altide8784]

I never build rylais because you need so many defensive items to not die instantly..

[@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720]

swain is only good into melee, the counterplay is ranged champs and kiting.

[@nikolic6924]

I mean it's a no brainer that the dmg from his ultimate withh go down since he'll be able to use it multiple times, so perhaps maybe a reset on takedown?

[@aladinsugeikarsh5878]

i hope they dont ruin him like asol

[@revendax2584]

Ahhhhhh thats what they meant when they said "we want to make Swain less reliant on rylais". They added a slow to his ult radius to take over what Rylais did, interesting, i like the change.

[@LJSheffRBLX]

Remus, This is awesome! I subscribed because I want to see more!

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

I always thought the W being like a spectral pillar with an eye on it like the Eye of Sauron that erratically looks around in a large cone. Maybe even have it prioritize a specific action, like a jungle monster death or a ward getting placed and it just locks into that spot for the rest of the duration.

[@diegograjeda7611]

I wonder how will they approach his ultimate, right now it feels so unimpactful that unless he builds rylais, he is just a very flashy punch bag.

[@newweaponssoldier4127]

I can understand wanting to change Swain’s W if they want him to be more of an ADC or midlaner, but it’s the perfect ability for a support. The long range capabilities mean you can help in other team fights, scout for vision, and block the enemies path. It also pairs incredibly well with his W. You can confirm his W if you hit an E, and you can use his W to force the enemy to make a choice if they’re retreating. Try to dodge the W but now be in range of the E, or get hit by the W but be damaged, slowed, and give a stack to Swain. W is one of my favourite abilities in this game, I hope they don’t change it much.

[@sarius2723]

so E-extend will be gone then, if u dont hit minions on the way back

[@thelegendaryfoxfire693]

To make Q more useable against Ranged characters I would to see a cone tightening if you hold Q, the spread of the bolts gets condensed more and more, but to avoid just nuking melees they can also make it so you have to hit at the edge of the Q to to get the most damage. Probably a 200 years idea but I like the idea of that.

[@AriaEmily]

I would love to see, that his base spells enhance upon using the ult and in exchange they remove the explosion. So as long as he is in ult has an enhanced version of qwe. For example that his q can be used on target, w acts as a little black hole and e doesnt get blocked by minions or sth along those lines

[@Synlo-t9m]

I only have 3 issues with Swain: 1. Nothing in his kit interacts with the passive 2. He is WAY too dependent on item effects 3. Because of 2, until he gets 2-3 items, his ult just feels like a cosmetic effect. The healing is useless, most of it comes from conqueror+riftmaker, damage over time is pathetic, most of it comes from liandry. Solution: Give his spells (eventually, just his ult) different effects based on how many stacks he has, similarly to Smolder. Propositions: 25 stacks -> Ult damage now increases based on stacks aquired 50 stacks -> Gain 20% omnivamp, increased to 30% when under 40% HP 85 stacks -> Doubles W hitbox, ult explosion cast be cast twice every 15 stacks after that -> gain ability power equal to 1% bonus HP

[@Brianlotito]

I think that the best alternative is to make Swain's R have multiple explosions with an internal cd, which could be reduced when enemies are hit by the ult, maybe for every one getting damaged reduce it a little bit more, like 1 second for one enemy champ, and 0,5 more secs for each one you add. Maybe it could be "damage dealt", which could have the same effect, like for every 500 dmg dealt you get one explosion, so you both have the pseudo reset mechanic and push a more ap oriented build too.

[@evanliu1939]

I want his new kit to fit a specific theme: turning secrets to his advantage. As long as he successfully reveals someone with his abilities, he should gain certain advantage (stacks, stats, cooldown, etc.), making him a counter pick to invisible champs and heavy roaming situations.

[@GetJhinxed]

For all the people saying it would be nice if Swain had HP scaling...it sounds good, because of his passive, until you realize it's literally Sion's HP passive,(But with free damage) upgraded, If it was just one ability that scaled with HP it would probably be W, because it would be the most balanced, since otherwise every E hit is basically more guaranteed damage, It will be quite difficult to balance, I mean, it would basically make him play like a tank, but he would also take a lot of damage, due to his infinite scaling with HP, (and because basically if you buy Heartsteel and Grasp, it would be terrible for the gameplay)

[@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720]

Swain does not stack that much, he normally gets like 35 stacks at 20 mins

[@GetJhinxed]

@@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720 That's incredibly low, how stupid.

[@hocambunedirya9193]

I am not a swain main but I played him for a solid year on top lane I think if they make him able to pop his ultimate more than one time instead of that making him more towards 2 v 1 2 v 2 champion it will make him even more strong in team fights and thus making him a nightmare to balance either they nerf its aoe and making him bad in solo lanes or leaving it as is and making him an even more tf demon but this is just my opinion.

[@yurimaldonado4966]

I hope it doesnt culminate in swain becoming too popular and getting nerfed, tale as old as time

[@ph1lny3]

Swain W is the only part I like about new Swain. I think the cohesion comes from the concept of his tactical prowess. It seems like an out-of-place ability until you realize all his basic abilities are extreme proponents of a range threshold: -Q's ability to hit multiple bolts shotgun-style makes it so the closer, the better. -E is THE midrange ability. It is hilariously easy to dodge if thrown at a point-blank target, and it's not exactly a poking ability. Despite all this, it does the most important task of keeping the enemy where Swain wants them, whether that's poking with a EW combo, or getting them super close to Q blast + run them down with ult -W highlights his foresight and proactive ability. It scouts, it stops recalls, it can even slow push with the right build. This is a very underrated ability for someone with good sense of macro. If anything, I think his E, and to a slight extent Q need a little reconsideration. Q and Ult are poster childs for abilities buoyed by how strong itemization for them is that day's patch. Old Swain felt great as a battle/control mage player as a pocket for the assassins that usually murdered your other picks, now he's abysmal at handling any mobility unless the opponent is an open book.

[@Art51151]

On an unrelated topic do you believe cho'gath's vgu will focus on his world eater thematic instead of his void kaiju?

[@Berster13]

Bring back original swain. The bird is the word.

[@simonpetrikovthepoor9737]

I dont think they know what they are doing with him, to me his most glaring problem is always gonna be his tankyness, he is basically correct in every aspect besides tankyness, because the moment the ennemy team gets items, swain becomes gets one shotted way to easely in fights, they should add a passive with his ultimate where he gets flat bonus resistances based on the number of ennemies hes draining, like 10 armor and mr per champions.

[@TrueBlue0611]

Exactly. I never see Swain as a problem because late game he just needs a little extra focus from teammates to be shutdown. he can win lane and be 4/0 but if he gets locked down he dies a bit late compared to other battle mages because he doesnt have great durability.

[@altide8784]

Yeah his durability is a big issue.. he just pops vs a fed adc in 2 seconds

[@progdragon9218]

His W is literally the only ability from his entire kit that i would not change. It fits his theme perfectly and is one of the most fun abilities to use ingame

[@Illegiblescream]

Make his Q a recast on hit, with a gradually lowering damage and larger area. First one is a pretty straight line shot, second is a wider angle, third is a *60 hit. Each one has a lower base damage but a slightly higher health scaling for damage.

[@justacat5273]

bro what about his passive, its hella unrewarding compared to other stacking champs its also hella scuffed to stack it

[@ArmadiusC]

I'm guessing best they can do is mana bar turns into a demon rage bar when ulting. When enemies are getting hit by the ult it charges. then it can be used to cast empowered abilities or max rage for demon flare

[@pizzatime7431]

Ok my guess is they will make him insanely broken for a patch and he will get many nerfs later

[@EchoFocus]

To make his Q better at range maybe they can make it do more damage if there is one or to targets in the effect. Like the bolts converge for a single target.

[@sebus_2331]

R: multiple explosions are already interesting change, Q: maybe bigger range, or scallable range with Q lvs W: 2 charges just like ashe E? E: faster missle is good change

[@krulak292]

High winrate champion. Riot: "lets buff him cause he feels awkward"

[@GreenwolfeGW]

Isn't the reason his winrate is high because not many people play him and most people who do are otps that fare well with him?

[@krulak292]

@@GreenwolfeGW his pick rate ain't that low lol

[@stormwolf0988]

wait do people not understand how W fits in his kit??? You combo it with his e to get double the crows for better stacking. It can also help zone enemies into your e so either you get a crow from your w or they are forced to walk into your e or worse yet they blow a flash...

[@NotFanti]

Can we rework the best yordle veigar instead of already good champions 😭🙏

[@altide8784]

Veigar is broken already

[@werewolf74]

I miss Fiddles old bouncing crow thing. It would be cool if they did crows that maybe give a small debuff and give vision of an area or champs.

[@cookiegrimreaper9752]

I think riot don't understand Swain's soul, his combo is good the Q doesn't have range problems, it's literally a shotgun and that's the reason why the E attracts, and the W is to steal, reveal, and cut scape ruts. Swain was very good and balanced before the last rework if they go back to the last swain everything will be wonderful

[@altide8784]

The E going through minions will be huge at toplane since it won't detonate early without touching the enemy laner. Passive should just give hp/mana back as it used to. Crows that sits on trees/ledges should give him vision around him since he see what they see. W should be a static eye sending bolts to anyone nearby slowing his enemies like a mini Victor ultimate. It would increase his 1v1 potential instead of being a random long range spell. R needs to be toggable(20 second cd) since you have no control over your ultimate as it is now, you're very reliant on sticking to enemies which feels bad and probably not even viable at high elo.

[@ravegerxenomorph2531]

Swain main here and I don't feel well with it cause I afraid it might come with a nerf lOl

[@Gusta_Gustav]

think a great way to make the q better into ranged champs is by letting the player charge the ability to start narrowing and extending the skillshot

[@saif_nh_8144]

actually they can make him stack his Q and then his R gets powered by it , and when he does his R he looses the stack or maybe half of it , i don't know something like that might work with him.

[@sarapregel5981]

W feels random? Bruh what is he smoking.....do they actually ask swain mains for this?? W makes him taction, he is A GENERAL after all. They are completely shifting his playstyle and after that, they will have to do it again when other mages get buffed. They are repeating history with him and others ( khm sylas becoming bruiser khm). This can be hit or miss but if they remove w bcs "that isnt battle mage style", then you will get 50/50 player base- 50 who gave up due to bilion changes and other 50 who are just starting him. Make stats better, make his abilities better, no need to change the core of champion- being tacticon mage. That makes him unique from others

[@termterlay4045]

if he's a "tactician" lets make his all his kit fit this idea not just one little skill. Prereworked Swain had been a ''tactician" meanwhile been a pure battle mage and he felt great. Wasting his potential on two different aspects makes him jack of all trades but master of none

[@lucaiozzo8273]

It wold be awsome if you have more explosions in your ult depending on the damage you take, like a half or third of your max hp. So if you want to do more damage you'll have to heal a lot, but still not completely useless if you don't, you just use it at full health.

[@tesserax8183]

Swain Q should be reverted to what it was previously: not AoE, but massive burst if you hit multiple. Encourages tanks to walk up for their carries, but also allows better single target DPS. W should have two cast ranges: the long range cast which is what it is now, and a short range cast which is basically his old W that roots in an area but has a shorter activation time. E changes suggested are good enough, just make faster. Swain R should demon flare on activation, AND on kill. Not takedown, kill only, to make it balanced.

[@Lie_Sttlll]

2 reworks before my dragon girl gets 1 😅😅😅

[@niezłyNajdżer]

as a swain main, aproved

[@kellym9190]

I’m hyped, Swain has always been my favorite of the “hook” champions to play, I have a lot of time on him and I’m glad they’re adjusting him.

[@DarkCyberElf]

Who else remembers when Swain was a perfectly fine champion as-was before he got (deleted) completely reworked and retconned to a much less visually interesting Lucius Malfoy clone with an anime demon hand?

[@omgodification]

W 'not fitting in with his kit' I think is misunderstanding it a bit. It works perfectly for the lore fantasy, since Swain's supposed to be the omniscient grand strategist that is always aware of you. But when it comes to his kit, I think it fits well enough as a zoning/healing tool that can also be used to further lock down opponents caught in his E-Q combo. It allows him to gain stacks faster, thus making him tankier and fulfilling his role as a battle mage. I'm not a full-on Swain main so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I think W is a very unique ability that feels nice to use and fair enough to fight against.

[@cameronsmalley5994]

It would be cool if they made it like actuall lightning and it did reduced damage every bounce but with a branching mechanic

[@ResidentE-Boy]

I feel like everyone forgot about Jarvan, and I really want something for us Jarvan players man

[@Iznikroc]

Swain Main pre and post rework, they are actually getting close to finishing the rework! he has been an incompelte rework for years cause the only parts of his kit that worked were ssolid were the Q and e and even then they always felt clunky. you were fighting against bad design while playing the champ. The multi flares is the best idea for the ult because now theres a price for choosing to engage against sswain other than his healing. personally they need to incorporate his soul stacks more into his ratios and other abilities cause stacking health you forget about is not that rewarding when im going to build RoA or other health items anyways.

[@totemadept]

I would make W damage and flight speed scale with range, closer = more damage and faster detonation. For the ultimate I like the instant damage then having a second cast that is a skill shot like ez ult but wider and shorter about 900 range or so max damage depends on how much he drains. For the passive I would add a stacking debuff every time swain hits with an ability after 5 stacks the enemy is rooted I would also make the drain from when you hit enemies with cc to have some percentage health scaling .

[@TheLastAatroxMain]

can't wait for phreak to turn swain into riven 3.0

[@NinjaCoderInTraining]

I dunno the current W kinda makes sense to me. It's slow but is a great zoning/poke/vision ability that lets you herd enemies out of certain areas and into slow moving spells like his E. It fits with his lore as a battlefield tactician.

[@mozzy2968]

I really hope he keeps his w. Its honestly one of my favorite things about him and sets him apart from other battle mage champs.

[@18pavsionate]

i really hope they dont change his w too much. the semi global presence and use as a zoning tool is so much fun as it stands, removing that would make him half as fun to play

[@Chowsz]

I use use swain W in laning phase every full combo, if you land e, place W where you'll pull them too, then pull, unless they have a blink ability, no champion has the movement speed to run out of it. Giving you two stacks per combo

[@stevexy5529]

Puttinf the W down makes it easy to land E ether the enemy "dodges" where you shoot your E or gets hit by W

[@Blastoisiken]

Swains also getting a new mythic. Us swainerds might be eating good soon.

[@amethonys2798]

The issue is Swain is squishy af for how short range he is and also....just doesn't drain tank. It really doesn't feel like it matters too much if he's sucking off 5 people with his ult when he still gets absolutely minced by BoRK/Liandry or whatever else. If anything the most impactful part of his ult is the perma rylais half the time.

[@altide8784]

Yeah he does not get rewarded enough for sucking off his enemies.. he can barely stick them. Meanwhile Aatrox go full health if he hits an enemy

[@johnathan5906]

I feel like there are other champs that could use a change rather than Swain right now

[@Lebroish]

His W is super cool, every game i get a chance to W in front of an enemy that is running away from my team to force him to go around it, that 1 second stall many times ends in a kill.

[@allnamestakenn]

the W is super important to me at least, like others agreed. Feels good to E people into your W as a combo, and provide soft "undodgeable" scenarioes for the enemy in terms of movement.

[@guyooo5965]

I swear if Riot remove current Swain's W, I'd be pissed. He was perfect even before the mini rework and then they changed him and now he only playable depends on the items he builds. Swain's W is not only a spell but it fits him as a character, his lore! He's a tactician! Eyes everywhere! If they removed it, then it's like them giving a middle finger to the lore and saying "F*ck lore, esport and gameplay only" Swain was the first champ I mained and I stopped playing him after the mini rework.

[@smurfingoff-meta1405]

Keep Swain W as is! It's the essence of his global presence on the map and allows him to set up his chain cc with his E. Removing it would gut the champion, even if they buff everything else. The only valid replacement for W would be a mobility spell (movement speed or a dash) to help hin set up his CC combos.

[@miguelchagas4131]

I miss the old swain, hes old R feels fantastic, that times will never comeback =(

[@ryanfoxworth1015]

I would like to see w replaced for a sheild, boom all I need. Helps him top, support, and mid

[@thor8606]

"right now W feels out of place" as true as this is, it fits his character very well, and theres Tons of other out of place abilities on other characters that are far more egregious and game breaking Hoping these changes help though! even if the W range gets paired down to something like a Tahm Kench W as long as it still provides vision i'd be happy to see it still in his kit alright but seriously akshan revive, why is it there

[@KOTOBOD]

Am i get something wrong? Are there really no candidates for rework other than Swain?

[@Onmitsukido]

Ziggs, K'sante and Nafiri. Tested new things on Morgana as well but it wasn't satisfying so got pushed back.

[@smurfhelms68]

Im suprised this is the champ they decided to change. He has always seemed just fine compared to others

[@sakutaro3musik486]

i wish demonflare would give him one explosion and after that the next ones give him shields because the biggest problem is staying alive while being forced to stay in a lot of enemys

[@altide8784]

Yeah or give him bursts of heal depending on how many he hits

[@islamardjoune1042]

His popular lane mid stop making him support

[@saulmorales1830]

Can they just revert his E to be the old Nevermove. It was so much cooler and unique. They could even reuse his W animation for it, as it casts the same. Then that could free up a slot for a different spell since they don’t like his W as is.

[@kenthien353]

Just rework W, it doesn't feel impactful as scouting tool, it doesnt feel good as a poking or zoning tool. You allways have to pair it with E or rylai to hit. I allways thought with that much of a delay after casting it should give hard cc, not just a 25-65% slow.

[@zambuncaasd]

ulti should explode when press it and another explode with more dmg when almost finish ulti.

[@Anonymous-ew9ip]

for some reason i always daydream about riot deciding to proceed the lore to a point where swain actually kills vlad in the cannon story. as a result, they would delete vlad from the roster completely (like they did temporarily for glankpank rework way back when) and give swain vlad’s q and change his entire kit to health cost (instead of a mana champion). and his passive would additionally include vlad’s crimson pact passive (more health more ap, and vice versa) and a new passive: each time he uses ability, it would change his next auto to his current q and can be charged to 3 times like sylas. 😂😂😂

[@pinnacleexpress420]

I think his W is damn near perfect but multiple demon flares sounds awesome

[@magleo_br]

I have played Swain since the primordial times, and yeah, he feels a little underwhelming, but hopefully these changes will improve his funsies while playing

[@JAKE-em5xr]

I miss old swain passive when you could pull everyone cc'd

[@1470eap]

I want the toggle ult and the snare back. 😢 I miss my battle mage.

[@lgod5899]

NOT GETTING BLOCKED BY MINIONS IS CRAZZZYY