The ‘Sampradaya Game’ - Tadatmya Vedanta Series 1/3 | Thinking Bhakti Podcast EP27

[@vwlisa]

I don’t care what anyone says or what I hear. The teachings through Bhakti Marga have brought about profound changes within myself in just a few months. I’m nearing 50 and no stranger to most spirituality teachings. I think Paramahamsa Vishwananda has to be the smartest most aware teacher to choose such relatable and grounded teachers to spread the truth. Thankyou for all you do 💚

[@tomashromnik108]

How it helped you?

[@vwlisa]

@@tomashromnik108 as in what has changed ?

[@tomashromnik108]

@@vwlisa Yes, what changes you observe in your life with your spiritual practice?

[@vwlisa]

@@tomashromnik108 I’m being more honest with myself. I feel like I can concentrate more. I’m more aware of what’s happening around me. I don’t want to waste time anymore doing certain things unless I’m learning and growing so I’m making changes in life and my business I’ve been procrastinating.

[@tomashromnik108]

@@vwlisa And how it helped you to understand your relationship between God and you?

[@anantsaini]

Politics will go on.......what matter is self-realisation, god-realization, enlightenment, moksha, nirvana whever you call it!

[@SDFNI3894YR]

impressed with their knowledge.

[@cultsandcontroverse3949]

I am not

[@Wozzi7]

Being from outside the Sri Vaishnava sampradaya, this is a fascinating conversation. I’ve always been curious but these discussions usually don’t occur in English. Tbf this type of politics happens in every sampradaya, including Advaita lol

[@SudamaDasananda]

Although for sure this video is going to annoy many, it was long time necessary. It brings common sense and understanding of what in truth connects us and how our faith comes into being: a divine personality transforms the landscape of many people and creates a movement that is naturally based on sashtra. Different masters and Divine personalities will display different moods and emphasis and different seekers will connect accordingly. There's no whatsoever one true path, but each seeker has found his own true path and the highest authority. Unfortunately Bhakti Marga, Paramahamsa Vishwananda and His devotees are for long time misunderstood and 'bullied' by other devotees from others sampradayas, especially from Gaudiya and other keyboard warriors, that repeat senseless arguments, misrepresenting their own sampradayas, having no proper knowledge of what is the philosophy, personality and uniqueness of our Gurudev. Having myself had such encounters, and understanding that we are educated in Hari Bhakta Sampradaya to respect by all means other Vaishnavas, it was shocking to see such behaviours that go against the own belief system of such great gurus and Divine personalities. Having a guru as Paramahamsa Vishwananda that imparts in His devotees such compassion and respect for all lovers of God brings to myself the feeling of gratitude and certainty of what our mission is bringing to the table is nothing but good to this world and sanatana dharma. If we can sincerely respect each other's path, we will all please Krishna/ Narayana.

[@niroshangovinder4042]

🎉Hare Krishna

[@stephanieruggles7360]

Very well and truly said and written. Thank you. Jai Gurudev.

[@cultsandcontroverse3949]

Yes Cults are anoying be it Vishwananda Nityananda or Trump Cults 😂

[@jeroenquartier7126]

Jai Gurudev! All of this is super interesting! Thank you, guys!

[@joancasper1033]

2nd episode is also phenomenal. Down the middle unite come together. Serve His Divine Lotus Feet. Many thanks so very GRATEFUL ❤

[@isabelgarcianotario5060]

Not to close the way out of Maya to anybody is a universal dharma which is beyond any personal interest or convenience. The responsability and courage of acknowledging the fact of a living Godman, even if It seems to desestabilize our own external spiritual or social status brings forth very much needed internal qualities, such as integrity, humility, courage, authenticity, and responsability. Way too many souls suffering to be playing other games. Jai Gurudev

[@WamuyuGatheru]

Thank you - this is a landmark conversation. Bhakti Marga is a threat because we have a living master. But why should Bhakti Marga bother anyone who is in the embrace of Lord Krishna? Krishna, like our Gauranga Guruji, is an ocean where those in Him should be fully drowned as not to care about others. And Guruji worships Giridhari everyday and travels with Him all over the world. Btw talking of Bhagavan interacting with the founding acharya, Lord Vittal gave Guruji our Maha Mantra...

[@cultsandcontroverse3949]

What treat is a Cult for anyone 😂

[@harshgarg1448]

Exclusivity claims in Hinduism is a fatal idea , it was a doomed understanding to begin with, regardless of book. Though having a legitimate lineage is an important point, as it ensures credibility.

[@0014Amit]

beautifully said bro. My way is the only way doesnt apply in Hinduism.

[@millennialmind9507]

@@0014Amittrue and that claim will be rejected outrightly by the all the remaining sampradayas 😅

[@H.A.N.U.M.A.N.]

I love the factual confrontation with misinformation and the way you give respect to other heartfelt paths with humility and healthy self-deprecation. Thank you guys, keep it up! Can't wait for the next part. Jai Jai Rama Krishna Hari! Jai Gurudev! ❤‍🔥

[@loveiseternal108]

I'm just gonna chant Sri Vithala Giridhari Parabramane namah. Let them say it's fake whatever. I feel it's power. Who gets to say the name of God is fake?

[@kimblesvandice9164]

Exactly

[@adiyen_ramanujan_dasam]

But my question is why stick to it, it feels powerful because it has Hari naam in it so it's obvious but if possible don't you wanna chant a mantra that has been chanted through eons of time and great many Acharyas ⁉️

[@maruthimacha1847]

if u go to a guru he will give u moola mantram of panduranga vitthala swamy chanting name is not wrong but very slow process for bhagavadanubhavam, but its not invalid, it still works given u have the bhakti it has already become a sAmAnya nAma mantram when u chant with 'namaH' at the end, so be with shuci when u r doing jap\chant remove namaH and u dont have to worry about ritualistic rules

[@basilejolissaint1645]

⁠@@adiyen_ramanujan_dasamNamaskar, the mantra was received by Paramahamsa Vishwananda in the same way as Sri Vallabha receive the brahmasambhanda mantra for his sampradaya. We follow our sampradaya and acarya and therefore we chant Sri Vitthala Giridhari Parabrahmane Namah as well as asthaksara.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

⁠there’s no ritualistic rule involved here. This isn’t any Vedika mantra. This mantra is received trough agamika diksha

[@adiyen_ramanujan_dasam]

4 bonafide Sects or Sampradaya is a not big boy club and gate keeping new thoughts of thinking for Shri Vishnu tattva and Jeeta atma But, One should be ready to be debated again and again and its going to be a tedious and bloody peoject to create a genuine siddhanta Kudos to your guru Maharaj and I hope Shri Vishnu smiles on all of us fellow Vaishnavas Jai Shriman Nārayan ☸️🐚

[@NamarasaPodcast]

Interesting conversation 🙏🏽

[@cultsandcontroverse3949]

No, cult whants to legitamise itself

[@cultsandcontroverse3949]

You know the Nityananda Cult ? Same here and they actually met years ago this fake Nityananda and Vishwananda. And Dasanudasa Babaji David Bruce Huges Narashimha BDSM "raganuga Bhakti" Scandal all the same BS

[@O-cr2ex]

I live in Bangladesh🇧🇩, where all Muslim girls are forced to wear Bokhras, they are taught this from a young age, they are not allowed to talk to any boy except their family, and girls are taught in Madrasas without being taught in schools, colleges and universities. I am frustrated my religion now I am ex Muslim

[@mohitroy9370]

So what are you doing here ?

[@nofugz8939]

What a wonderful discussion tackling some great points. I would like to add to this by stating that the verse (Srimad Bhagavatam 11.5.32) can not apply to your Guru-ji because, he knows of Krishna only because of Mahāprabhu initiating the chanting and glorification of the holy name. Mahaprabhu was the one who started this massive wave of Bhakti that everyone is riding now, including Gaudiyas, ISKCON, Bhakti Marg etc. If anything your Guru-ji is assisting in fulfilling Mahaprabhu's prediction that "In every town and village, the chanting of the holy name will be heard". Additionally, founder of ISKCON AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada assisted in fulfilling the prophecy of (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.43).

[@yaraulcay]

Jai Gurudev, before Mahaprabhu we had Dnyaneshwar 13 century in Maharashtra, very fundamental Divine appearance for Vaishnavism ❤️

[@nofugz8939]

@@yaraulcay Well there were the Alwars even before that. What is your point here anyway ❤

[@TheGazz108]

Thank you so much for this video. I’m loving this discussion. You have done your homework pretty thoroughly, and are presenting food for thought that all Vaishnavas of any Sampradaya should take very seriously. I haven’t finishing watching yet, I’m about half way through. I just stepped in to comment on something which Swami Revatikaanta said at around 55:50 in Chapter “Same Logic Applied for All”. He said that Lord Swāminārāyan Bhagwan was initiated in a dream by Sri Rāmānuja himself. I think this is incorrect. As I understand it, it was Rāmānanda Swami (the later one, born Rāma Sharma in 1738 AD) who received Diksha in a dream from Rāmānuja Ācharya, and founded the Uddhava Sampraday. He in turn initiated Nilkanth Varni into the Uddhava Sampradaya, giving him the names Sahajānanda Swāmi and Nārāyan Muni. This Rāmānanda Swami handed over leadership of the Uddhava Samparadaya to Sahajānanda Swami before he left his body, having recognized his illustrious disciple as an Avatar of Krishna. This Rāmānanda Swami is believed by Swāminārāyan adherents to be reincarnation of Uddhava, the close friend of Sri Krishna. The Rāmānandi sect or Sampradaya are followers of the earlier, different Rāmānanda Swami from 14th century. It’s an easy mistake to make. I’ve done it myself. The prophecy foretelling the advent of Nārāyan Muni can be found in the 18th chapter of Vāsudev Māhātmya, from Vishnu Khand within Skanda Purāna, complete with birthplace and father’s name etc. Please go check it. There seems to a common theme of many great Vaishnava Saints and Āchāryas taking diksha and then later on rejecting the teachings of the same guru who initiated them. The great Rāmānuja himself did the same. I think we should see it as evolution of ideas and viewpoint. I like the idea of serious senior Vaishnavas of earlier Sampradayas being relaxed about other Sampradayas even when they disagree with their ideas. I think this is very healthy. Agree to disagree, with respect. “Vānchā kalpatarubhyas cha….etc”. Rejoice in brotherhood of Vaishnavas, and appreciate our great good fortune to have been honored with the immense blessing of being a Vaishnava, devotee of the Supreme Lord, regardless of whichever door of Sampradaya we entered the fold of Vaishnavism. Jay Sri Krshna!

[@manymonkeyes]

1:39:39 That's so FUNNY! The whole 90 minutes prior to this, Mayuran was talking about the "Sampradaya Games" where each samarpaya tries to push its superiority through, and now he is TOTALLY doing it himself, and thus contradicting himself! (Don't forget, Mayuran, that people choose what path to follow not based on the "superiority" of the samparadaya, but on their feelings/faith!) PS I do accept the teachings of Hari Bhakta Sampradya, but just find it hilarious to see the animosity and hypocrisy that seethes here!

[@Handlethetruth-x6g]

There is a big difference in the point you are referring and the whole other discussion. Sampradaya games are the ones where you in the style of an abrahamic religion want to establish superiority over others in closing the door and justifying your own movement mainly by a verse which is clearly an interpolation and discrediting other movements and saying that the whole sampradaya, guru, mantra or movement is bogus. Him praising his own movement and saying how it has a balance doesnt condemn other sampradayas. It's like saying, your child is the most sweetest on the earth, its an expression of affection i would say. Most Important: He never said to any other movement being bogus, so your point is quite inaccurate to even compare this and saying that he plays the sampradaya game. To expose this games is rather a service to the whole Sanatana Dharma / Vaishnava Community because it just created disunity between us.

[@manymonkeyes]

@Handlethetruth-x6g I understand what you mean, but he is the one who was pointing out that no Sampradaya is "superior"! It's the opinion of Gaudiya's that their Sampradaya is superior and the Sris think the same. Mayuran was condemning that!

[@MagnusCarlsen-c4y]

Lol

[@LesCheminsVersSoi]

So good that you are releasing so valuable stuff ! 🌿💛🌿

[@madhavagrawal6725]

Very good podcast. Always wondered about the authenticity of Shastric references. It would be good if we can deep dive more into how these abberations in Padma Puran came.

[@isabelgarcianotario5060]

Jai Gurudev. ❤

[@RakhalKincaid]

During Sri Chatanya's lifetime ... his manifest Lila .. many super elite scholars became convinced on his divinity as the yuga avatar, bringing Hari kirtan to the world, an historical fact which reverberates today. Only his inner associates regarded Him as Svayam Bhagavan, Shri Krishna Himself. It seems that Shri Krishna is so charmingly amazing in His beauty, loveliness, innocence and naughtiness that even He can't fathom it. Hence His appearance as the perfect devotee to taste the mood of Krishna Bhakti with all the Vedic dharmic nature of Shri Ramachandra. You three prabhus are saying that "all you want is Krishna" and you are chanting Hari Nama. You are all doing fine! Regardless of your conceptualization of Mahaprabhu at the moment, we are all in Mahaprabhu's downline. Jai Shri Hari!

[@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101]

Jai Sriman Narayana. I hope you are all well. Really interesting points in this podcast. The REAL Gaudiya Vaishnavas are based in Radha Kunda. Gaudiya Math and ISKCON are and will eternally be in a social institutional battle I call "Sampradaya Validation." They have nothing to do with Madvhas nor their so called lineage parampara is "unbroken". Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati NEVER received formal initiation from nobody. On top of that, he took sanyasa from a picture.

[@aditshukla]

@@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101 Bold claims, man!😂 All this to support a Paundrak who claims to be a disciple of a personality which is not even visible to the people at large.😏 Now THAT seems credible to you.🤨 Who are REAL Gaudiyas is already there for everyone to see. Those who firmly established Sriman Mahaprabhu's Movement throughout and fulfilled His desire prediction are real Gaudiyas.

[@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101]

@@aditshukla typical answer of a Gaudiya from ISKCON or GM, no pramana, no substance.

[@aditshukla]

@@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101 I just turned around a sillier version of your claim (initiation), and you did not like it!😂 That pramaan as bright as the Sun. Come out of your world and witness what has happened in last 120 years or so in Gaudiya history. The Real Gaudiyas.

[@aditshukla]

@@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101 *Swami Shri Vishveshvar Teerth ji, Head of Udupi Matha, the formost of the 8 established by Madhvacharya* 2014, Udupi ♥️ _The siddhant of Srila Madhvacharya and Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is the same. There is no difference_ ♥️ _To spread the teachings of Madhvacharya and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu throughout the world, was accomplished by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami._ Listen the truth from Madhv Sampraday Head himself. You dont accept, no problem. But dont peddle lies. Some people will try hard to create rift and suspiscion among the well established siddhantas, in a failed attempt to credit themselves. Their tricks wont work. Their bogus ideas, along with their Paundrak, will be gobbled by _kaal_ never to be heard of again.

[@aditshukla]

*Swami Shri Vishveshvar Teerth ji, Head of Udupi Matha, the formost of the 8 established by Madhvacharya* Udupi, 2014 ♥️ _The siddhant of Srila Madhvacharya and Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is the same. There is no difference_ ♥️ _To spread the teachings of Madhvacharya and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu throughout the world, was accomplished by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami._ Listen the truth from Madhv Sampraday Head himself. You dont accept, no problem. But dont peddle lies. Some people will try hard to create rift and suspiscion among the well established siddhantas, in a failed attempt to credit themselves. Their tricks wont work. Their bogus ideas, along with their Paundrak, will be gobbled by _kaal_ never to be heard of again.

[@emmaevans5779]

Really enjoyed this, thank you

[@ianlang1371]

Yes elevate and put down, very important point

[@ChristianaVegan]

These discussions and debates may be important in a select circle of Hindu scribes and priests but they have nothing to do with the daily life of ordinary devotees, no matter to what Sampradaya they belong. And just in case the highly unlikely situation should arise where someone wants to engage me in a discussion about legitimacy: I'll just refer them to this KZbin video. Thanks!

[@krishnakishore2204]

Gaudiyas accept Sri Ramanandaacharya being Sri Ram because there are many pramans from Shastra. If you want them please approachSri Rajendra Das Ji Maharaj or any of his or Sri Rambhadracharya's followers. Mentions in Valmiki Samhita, Aghastya Samhita and many more

[@TruthseekerA]

জয় শ্রীকৃষ্ণ জয় শ্রীরাম

[@stephanieruggles7360]

I do not like such utterly childish games - be it in Christianity or in Hinduism or any other belief. Such "games" have led to war in the past which - at least for me - is completely contradictory to Gods love which I am trying to reach. And Paramahamsa Vishwananda has not only started to change my life to the better, he also helped me recently through two major health crisis. We should rather pray for peace and people suffering from war, climatic catastrophies like in Spain, famine, poverty or diseases instead of wasting time with discussions about legitimacy of lineage or even the childish sampradaya game as Maryan puts it clearly and in my eyes very correctly.

[@alfredo1gutierrez]

Does Bhakti Marga not trace its origins to any of the four Sampradayas?

[@DharmaSpeaks]

No it does not.

[@aditshukla]

*About Ramanadi Sampraday* 1) They say that it is not true that Ramanandi Parampara is an offshoot of Ramanuja Parampara. They say Vishishtadvaita philosophy has teo broad lineages, one of Bodhayan Rishi, in whose line appeared Shri Ramanandacharya, the other of Natha Muni, in which appeared Shri Ramanujacharya 2) They DO present shastric evidence of Shri Ramanandacharya being Shri Ram. Although I have not looked deeply into it.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@aditshukla they say it’s not true now but Ramananda was nonetheless said to be initiated by Ramanuja. To deny that is precisely what the Sri Vaishnava criticise. They have their own bhasya and parampara nowadays to the question is a bit irrelevant for today.

[@onelight6664]

One crucial point that wasn’t addressed in the video is that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is predicted many times across the Vedic literature as an avatara and Swami Wishwananda is not. There is a reason why the avatars of Krishna are scheduled in the Vedas, otherwise anyone can pose as god. As aspiring Vedantists we should adhere to the version of the shastra, otherwise what is the validity of our claims. Here are some references of Lord Caitanya from various Vedic scriptures: (1) From the Caitanya Upaniṣad (5): gauraḥ sarvātmā mahā-puruṣo mahātmā mahā-yogī tri-guṇātītaḥ sattva-rūpo bhaktiṁ loke kāśyati. “Lord Gaura, who is the all-pervading Supersoul, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears as a great saint and powerful mystic who is above the three modes of nature and is the emblem of transcendental activity. He disseminates the cult of devotion throughout the world.” (2) From the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (6.7 and 3.12): tam īśvarāṇāṁ paramaṁ maheśvaraṁ  taṁ devatānāṁ paramaṁ ca daivatam patiṁ patīnāṁ paramaṁ parastād  vidāma devaṁ bhuvaneśam īḍyam “O Supreme Lord, You are the Supreme Maheśvara, the worshipable Deity of all the demigods and the Supreme Lord of all lords. You are the controller of all controllers, the Personality of Godhead, the Lord of everything worshipable.” mahān prabhur vai puruṣaḥ sattvasyaiṣa pravartakaḥ su-nirmalām imāṁ prāptim īśāno jyotir avyayaḥ “The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Mahāprabhu, who disseminates transcendental enlightenment. Just to be in touch with Him is to be in contact with the indestructible brahmajyoti.” (3) From the Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad(3.1.3): yadā paśyaḥ paśyate rukma-varṇaṁ  kartāram īśaṁ puruṣaṁ brahma-yonim “One who sees that golden-colored Personality of Godhead, the Supreme Lord, the supreme actor, who is the source of the Supreme Brahman, is liberated.” (4) From Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.5.32-34 and 7.9.38): krishna-varnam tvishakrishnamsangopangastra-parshadam
yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi sumedhasah “In the age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the holy name of Krishna. Although His complexion is not blackish, He is Krishna Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.” dhyeyaṁ sadā paribhava-ghnam abhīṣṭa-dohaṁ  tīrthāspadaṁ śiva-viriñci-nutaṁ śaraṇyam bhṛtyārti-haṁ praṇata-pāla-bhavābdhi-potaṁ  vande mahā-puruṣa te caraṇāravindam “We offer our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Him, the Lord, upon whom one should always meditate. He destroys insults to His devotees. He removes the distresses of His devotees and satisfies their desires. He, the abode of all holy places and the shelter of all sages, is worshipable by Lord Śiva and Lord Brahmā. He is the boat of the demigods for crossing the ocean of birth and death.” tyaktvā sudustyaja-surepsita-rājya-lakṣmīṁ  dharmiṣṭha ārya-vacasā yad agād araṇyam māyā-mṛgaṁ dayitayepsitam anvadhāvad  vande mahā-puruṣa te caraṇāravindam “We offer our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of the Lord, upon whom one should always meditate. He left His householder life, leaving aside His eternal consort, whom even the denizens of heaven adore. He went into the forest to deliver the fallen souls, who are put into illusion by material energy.” Prahlāda said: itthaṁ nṛ-tiryag-ṛṣi-deva jhaṣāvatārair  lokān vibhāvayasi haṁsi jagat-pratīpān dharmaṁ mahā-puruṣa pāsi yugānuvṛttaṁ  channaḥ kalau yad abhavas tri-yugo ’tha sa tvam “My Lord, You kill all the enemies of the world in Your multifarious incarnations in the families of men, animals, demigods, ṛṣis, aquatics and so on. Thus You illuminate the worlds with transcendental knowledge. In the Age of Kali, O Mahāpuruṣa, You sometimes appear in a covered incarnation. Therefore You are known as Tri-yuga [one who appears in only three yugas].” (5) From the Kṛṣṇa-yāmala-tantra: puṇya-kṣetre nava-dvīpe bhaviṣyāmi śacī-sutaḥ. “I shall appear in the holy land of Navadvīpa as the son of Śacī-devī.” (6) From the Vāyu Purāṇa: kalau saṅkīrtanārambhe bhaviṣyāmi śacī-sutaḥ. “In the Age of Kali when the saṅkīrtana movement is inaugurated, I shall descend as the son of Śacī-devī.” (7) From the Brahma-yāmala-tantra: atha vāhaṁ dharādhāme bhūtvā mad-bhakta-rūpa-dhṛk māyāyāṁ ca bhaviṣyāmi kalau saṅkīrtanāgame “Sometimes I personally appear on the surface of the world in the garb of a devotee. Specifically, I appear as the son of Śacī in Kali-yuga to start the saṅkīrtana movement.” (8) From the Ananta-saṁhitā: ya eva bhagavān kṛṣṇo rādhikā-prāṇa-vallabhaḥ sṛṣṭy ādau sa jagan-nātho gaura āsīn maheśvari “The Supreme Person, Śrī Kṛṣṇa Himself, who is the life of Śrī Rādhārāṇī and is the Lord of the universe in creation, maintenance and annihilation, appears as Gaura, O Maheśvarī.” (9) From the Caitanya Upaniṣad (5): gauraḥ sarvātmā mahā-puruṣo mahātmā mahā-yogī tri-guṇātītaḥ sattva-rūpo bhaktiṁ loke kāśyati. “Lord Gaura, who is the all-pervading Supersoul, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears as a great saint and powerful mystic who is above the three modes of nature and is the emblem of transcendental activity. He disseminates the cult of devotion throughout the world.”

[@ExpandtheBliss]

It would be good if The Swami could address this points.

[@onelight6664]

Obvious, is it not?

[@basilejolissaint1645]

​@@onelight6664 Jai Gurudev, let me try to explain what is meant here. You explain that an avatar must be provided for in the śāstra, otherwise anyone can impersonate God. The Shreemad Bhagavatm says avatārā hy asaṅkhyeyā hareḥ sattva-nidher dvijāḥ yathāvidāsinaḥ kulyāḥ sarasaḥ syuḥ sahasraśaḥ - “O twice-born, the avatars of Hari, who is an ocean of divine virtues, are indeed innumerable, like the thousands of rivers flowing from an inexhaustible lake. ” [SB 1.3.26]. If we follow your logic, then all the avatars (innumerable according to the verse) which are not in the 18 puraṇas or 4 Vedas are to be diregarded, you then contradict God's own explanation of avatara with your definition. Furthermore, there is an important thing to consider here, as this seems to be a pervasive problem in some branches of Gaudiya vaishnavism, especially those who want to prove themselves and refute everyone else. You quote the Caitanya Upaniṣad which is accepted by no one except a few members of your own movement and you give no reference when quoting tantra. In the SB verse krishna-varnam does not mean chanting Krsna's name as is evident from the context but rather the primary meaning of Krsna applies here which is ''black color''. Consequently, the verse says that someone of black color, shining like a blue sapphire (gita press, montilala banarsidass) will preach the Sankirtan in Kali (which, paradoxically to your argument, corresponds very well to Paramahamsa Vishwananda who preaches Vitthala Sankirtan far and wide.). Then you quote Sruthi: Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad and Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad. The golden person refers to the named golden person or purusa, sometimes defined as residing in the orb of the sun, as understood in Upanisadic vidyas such as the Aditya Vidyas of the Chandogya Upanishads. This has nothing to do with Mahaprabhu. The references you quote from the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad made me laugh a little. How can you think that mahān prabhur vai puruṣaḥ means that Chaintanya mahaprabhu is the Supreme Lord? This is beyond my unerstanding. Valabhacarya is also called Mahaprabhu. Are all people who have mahaprabhu as a prefix then considered God according to the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad. it simply means that this person (purusa) is the Great Lord (mahan prabhu). Not to mention that the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad is often considered a saiva upanishad although Ramanuja explains that siva is also a name for Visnu. Please be a little more serious about the references you give and stop bending the śāstra to make them say something they don't. You accept Mahaprabhu Caintanya based on your faith in Him, that's the most important no need to make such a drama and lose credibility by using śāstra in that way.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@ExpandtheBliss It was done in the podcast as well

[@simeransookun2058]

@@basilejolissaint1645 This references are taken from Srila Prabhupada’s Caitanya Caritamrita. So basically you are saying that Prabhupada doesn’t know what he is doing when writing his books.

[@Bharat108._]

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[@wreyamon4472]

Is vegetarianism mandatory in your group/community?

[@charananekibalijaun8837]

@@wreyamon4472 this is what I found online, hope it helps: Observe strict vegetarianism (no eggs, fish or meat. Buying, touching or cooking any meat should also be avoided.)

[@SudamaDasananda]

If you wish to take initiation as a devotee, being vegetarian is part of the vows. If you wish to attend the events and not be committed to the lifestyle and to Guruji, in this case, it is up to the individual.

[@SiĐĐ.R-xxi]

Sir, I recently came across a mind-boggling information where it is mentioned that the foundation day of the city of Rome which is 21st April, 753 BC falls on the same day of Ram Navami, the birth anniversary of Bhagwan Shri Ram. Is there any truth in it?

[@Aditya-te7oo]

Every sampradaya thinks it is the only right sampradaya and other sampradayas are wrong. Those who are not in the sampradaya it may seem tribal but according to the sampradaya it is completely normal. Because Indian philosophical parampara is "paramata khandana, svamata sthapana" - refuting other philosophies/views and establishing one's philosophy/view. Adi Shankaracharya did it, Ramanujacharya did it, Madhvacharya did it, Vallabhacharya did it and many others.

[@charananekibalijaun8837]

This opens the Pandora's box that leads to all the deliberately corrupt translations and phantom verses gaudiya vaishnavism is founded upon. The 4 sampradayas reference is only the tip of the iceberg. Just read their list of namaparadhas, the second one is indeed intriguing and a proof for their sectarianism. It is, in itself, namaparadha... 10 offenses: 2) To consider the names of demigods like Lord Shiva or Lord Brahma to be equal to or independent of the name of the Lord Vishnu This is a reference to Padma Purana Brahma Kanda 25.15 The verse 'quoted' doesn't even contain the word 'Brahna' or 'demigod'. The original verse goes as follows: satāṃ niṃdā nāmnaḥ paramamaparādhaṃ vitanute | yataḥ khyātiṃ yāṃtaṃ kathamu sahate tadvigarhām |(

[@NamarasaPodcast]

Making a blanket statement like “ISKCON” does this or that shows you don’t know what you are talking about. ISKCON is a huge society of a million followers. To say the society of that many people does ONE thing is preposterous and laughable.

[@charananekibalijaun8837]

​​@@NamarasaPodcast it's the gaudiya philosophy 😂😂😂 I am not sure whether you're talking out of ignorance or if you're seriously trying to engage in a discussion you've already lost? Prabhupad called Ramakrishna a rascal, ISKCON devotees insult Advaita Vedanta, call Shankaracharya's philosophy bogus, insult Vivekananda, Sadhguru aso. No matter what you might think of them, you don't go against other teachings. You're not superior. And you certainly don't insult others by calling Shiva a demigod. Also, this 4 bona fide sampradaya lie is offensive to all other sampradayas. Hindus are inclusive, not divisive. All rivers lead to the sea. If you like yourself so much, at least keep it to yourself... Hari Om 🙏

[@sarthakgandre9679]

Prabhu ji then ramanujacharya madhavacharya and vallabhacharya are also unauthentic that is what you think

[@sarthakgandre9679]

They also rejected Advait

[@sarthakgandre9679]

All rivers can lead to the sea but pond cannot

[@aditshukla]

47:50 *Does Vishwananda's Shri Vaishnav Guru accept him as Bhagvan?* Since you are constantly going for Gaudiya parallel, Shri Gauranga was indeed accepted as Bhagvan by both his guru Ishvar Puri and sanyaas guru Keshav Bharti, as mentioned in Chaitanya Bhagvat and other hagiographies. Whether you accept that or not, my question does his guru accept him as Bhagvan?

[@basilejolissaint1645]

You’re simply making the point made in the podcast stronger. You said both his gurus accepted him as Bhagavan and you quote a Pramana which is pramana only in the same sampradaya. That’s the problem

[@aditshukla]

​​@@basilejolissaint1645First of all, even Advaitins, with whom we have the principle siddhantic conflict, accept Mahaprabhu as Bhagvan. Secondly, I am totally fine with someone not accepting what I accept, I simply made a query. *Does Vishvananda's Shri Vaishnav Guru accept him as Bhagvan?* I ask this since they make a Gaudiya parallel. I did not say I accept your pramaan or not, I simply want to know about this.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@aditshukla I don’t think anybody asked him the question personally. Also also not questioning the divinity of Mahaprabhu, I’m questioning the validity of the claim that both his guru saw him as Bhagavan. I’m happy for that to be true as we also see him a manifestation of Krishna. But the only pramana for that is an internal one to the same sampradaya.

[@aditshukla]

@@basilejolissaint1645 As I said, I am okay if you dont accept it. Your take. But atleast there is talk of it. *But noone can even claim (truly or falsely) that Vishvananda's Guru accept him as Bhagvan.* Thats my only point. The only thing he accepts is I gave him diksha, apart from he has nothing to do with him.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

​@@aditshukla You cannot assert this simply on the basis of external references which do not address this issue. Vallabhacarya is supposed to have recognised Mahaprabhu but denied it in public and went on with his own Sampradaya. Look at Kabirdev ji and Ramananda if you want further example.

[@PROUDINDIAN-ym5xo]

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[@pritamroy9067]

🕉💚🙏

[@savy1917]

In the agni purana even the worship of rahu ketu is described while the worship of Vishnu what to speak of other deities 32:10

[@Haveagodday-w8m]

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[@adiyen_ramanujan_dasam]

57:28 Thank you for saying this, I was sick of hearing this that ramanandacharya being Shri Ram himself which obectively and devotionaly makes no sense.

[@rajeshwaridasi999]

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[@penlight5289]

You should ask your Guruji's very dear friend Satyanarayan Das Babaji if the verse in the Padma Purana about the 4 Sampradayas being the only Authentic ones, is an interpolation. Satyanarayan Babaji will be hard-pressed to deny it being a great scholar. But if he does say that this verse is an interpretation then we will get two birds with one stone. So if there are any followers of Satyanarayan Babaji watching this. Please respond I see the gloves are being taken off, that's good. Gaudiya Vaishnavism started on the battlefield with the Lion Guru Srila Bhaktisidhanta Saraswati but many modern day followers are gone soft in the head This will revive the Kurukshetra spirit

[@ChristianaVegan]

I am a devotee of Paramahamsa Vishwananda studying with Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji right now in Vrindavan. It is great to get the different perspectives. Just Love🥰

[@jordanpankaj]

🛞🛞🔱🔱🕉️🕉️🕉️

[@LipovBog]

There are some parts of the gaudiya tradition that do not subscribe to the idea of brahma-madhva sampradaya idea.

[@tomashromnik108]

@@LipovBog which?

[@ExpandtheBliss]

Ideas like what specifically? that Caitanya is god?

[@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101]

Gaudiya fellows, what is your pramana to validate the "divine origin" of Brahma Samhita prayers? Who wrote it?

[@aditshukla]

@@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101 We can draw pramaan for each siddhant in Brahma Siddhant in other common shastras.

[@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101]

@@aditshukla again, no pramana, you love to speculate.

[@aditshukla]

@@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101 No, not at all. From Creation, to Krishna's position, all major siddhant presented in Brahma Samhita can be traced to other shastras. We can present those siddhantas from other shastras, even without referring to Brahma Samhita. Thats the problem with Vishwananda Paundrak Sampraday. They can prove nothing, but just question everything.

[@aditshukla]

@@juanpablocarrillosanchez4101 For that matter, it just clicked to me, why on earth do you sing Brahma Samhita in your German headquarters EVERY DAY, if you think its authenticity is questionable with no reasonable pramaan?

[@basilejolissaint1645]

We see it as a prayers for Krishna not as a pramana for philosphy, that's why and how we sing it. It's beauty doesn't make it a pramana. It's very much like the stories of Krishna Leela in the Garga Samhita, most beautiful but not pramana

[@charananekibalijaun8837]

Prem khol devey san dwar: A True Dharma or Religion awakens deep love and respect for all, and brings freedom from birth and rebirth for everyone.

[@bhavenpillay9073]

The 4 sampradayas are also mentioned in the 11th or 12th canto of srimad bhagavatham. I've seen this hari bhakthi sampradaya as legitimate because paramahamsa vishwananda is initiated by babaji ,and babji is connected to probably agastiya who is connected to shiva. Whatever it is ,babji is definitely connected to one of the 4 linages( headed by brahma,shiva,luxmi or the kumaras). Within these 4 linages,it's perfectly OK for their to be millions of branches headed by self realised masters. The number 4 is very important for the fundamentals of human civilization. We have 4 varnas. 4 ashrams. 4 yoga systems. 4 yugas. 4 bodies(physical,astral,casual and spiritual) . Lord ganesha/viswaksena rules this nu 4. Rahu and nrsingadeva also has connection with this number. (Just a little tangent of the topic-- those born on 4,13,22 or 31st or those who's added date month n year of birth come to a 4 reduction ,will have certain strong attraction to these deities). It's not as important for a linage to be in line of ramanuja,madhya,nimbaka or vishnuswami. They simply gave authorized commentaries in each of the 4 sampradayas. But it's important that the linages link up with lord brahma,shiva,the kumaras or luxmi. That's how im seeing this🤷‍♂️

[@DharmaSpeaks]

Thanks for comment nice to hear your thoughts, do you have a reference for the mention in the Bhagavatam?

[@laurencemarie6550]

PLEASE, if you could speak a little more slowly, even if you set the speed to 0.75 which is so fast for some people ... that would make it possible, even if you don't understand English very well, to BENEFIT FROM THIS TEACHING

[@sol3a918]

Maybe it could help you to activate the subtitles! As they are automatically generated they usually get the Sanskrit words wrong, but it can still be of use:)

[@laurencemarie6550]

Thanks it s kind of you and i use it also but when the subject are so specific it seems for me still difficult 😊

[@savy1917]

Maya doesn't spare anyone sinner and saints alike she makes everyone fight

[@navdvipadas4649]

By the way which sampraday u belong

[@SudamaDasananda]

Hari Bhakta Sampradaya Founded by Paramahamsa Vishwananda

[@sauravadhikari8668]

They created their own sampradaya. Now a days opening a new sampradaya is easier than opening a bank account.

[@jordanpankaj]

Har har mahadev

[@Navasundar]

Pointing out politics by being political…reach and cope.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

It’s simply the kaṇṭaka-nyāyaḥ. To draw out a thorn from any part of the body, the help or use of another thorn is necessary.

[@Navasundar]

@@basilejolissaint1645 I am sure there is another quote that can be used here to say dont at first put a thorn in the body and you wont need to remove it. To take offence is to make offence. I see the need followers of Bhakti Marga sect feel in substantiating and defending their Gurudev, I have no quarrel, and I completely agree that there is a lot of falsity and corruption in religiosity wherever it is practiced....same as it ever was...but trying denigrate an entire vaishnava tradition...that's cope and counter productive...kanaistha adikari stuff.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

​@@Navasundar I wouldn't say that, the intention here is not to denigrate any Vaishnava movement, I would even say it's quite the opposite. It's about showing the greatness of Vaishnvsim without the need to base it on interpolated verses and semi-political sectarianism. As mentioned at the very beginning of the podcast. This is a response to years of misinformation and misunderstanding of Bhakti Marga and also Vaishnavism. This is not the making of Bhakti Marga. The concept of 4 exclusive samprdayas in Vaishnavism has been refuted by many scholars both in India and the West, this podcast is simply a presentation of the arguments. The intention is to see what unites everyone and not what divides. In my opinion, this is not kanistha. Rather, kanistha is the reverse, when a sampradaya tries to have exclusivity over Bhagavan and not when a sampradaya tries to raise the unity factor.

[@tomashromnik108]

Answer just one question: From which guru Vishwananda learned what he teaches? Who is his vaishnava guru?

[@basilejolissaint1645]

Learning consists in recevng knowledge (paroksha jnana- indirect knowledge) and then transforming it into aparoksha jnana (realization), which is not necessary for him since he was born with this realization, as His life attests. However, he took panchasamskara from Sri Vaishnavism and most of the teachings concerning theology are similar to theirs. According to your definition, there should be only one samprdaya because nobody can bring something new which is agaisnt the very principle of sanatana-dharma. as yuddhitira says: Argument leads to no certain conclusion; the Srutis are different from one another; there is not even one sage whose opinion is accepted by all.

[@tomashromnik108]

@@basilejolissaint1645 There should be the original source of truth in every lineage. Only then we can be sure it is true. Otherwise there are many many false teachings leading not to the highest truth.

[@tomashromnik108]

​@@basilejolissaint1645 Then why Sri vaishnavas don't acknowledge Vishwananda as a guru of Sri Vaishnava sampradaya? Because he has no guru....

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@tomashromnik108 His Gurus are Mahavatar Babaji and Rangaraja Bhatta (2008) of Sri Rangam who gave him pancha samskara. We have our differences with Sri Vaishnavism in the same way as Swami Naranayan does and so we have our own sampradaya.

[@tomashromnik108]

@@basilejolissaint1645 Why differences, why not to follow traditional teachings thousands of years verified. Why to spoil pure teachings with own inventions... That's very dangerous!

[@aditshukla]

1:13:20 I understand the point your are trying to make. But factually, the point of hidden _avtaar_ is not some convenient excuse. It has a proper backing, छन्नहः कलौ 7-9-38 भागवत

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@aditshukla it’s for sure a pramana, no doubt. The question is simply of its usage. It can apply to so many personality. 👍🏼

[@aditshukla]

@@basilejolissaint1645 Let people present whom it can apply to and how.

[@adiyen_ramanujan_dasam]

Yes, as a Sri Vaishnava, that padma purana verse is definitely interpolation just like every other purana more or less Excluding Shrimad Bhagwatam and Vishnu Puranam obviously because the oldest of acharyas commentary and verse counts and mentions are still the same as today throughout generations unlike other puranas which were only 100 pages 100years ago in old manuscripts and suddenly in 2024 they are in more than 3 volumes 😂 aka shiv purana and devi bhagwat and skand purana etc Jai Shriman Nārayan ☸️🐚 Shrimate Ramanujaye Namah

[@tomashromnik108]

There has to be a source and from that source the knowledge has to come by the parampara of genuine teachers and disciples. If it does not come from the source and it comes from somewhere else, it's just simply a speculation - like this so called Hari Bhakti sampradaya is not genuine, because your guru does not have any guru coming from any genuine sampradaya and source of knowledge and the only thing you can do is to dismiss all the genuine disciplic successions and create your own false so called sampradaya. That's simply bogus. If you want to be a real guru, you need a real guru and you have to prove it that you learned the spiritual topics from him so you don't just speculate and do whatever you want like many bogus gurus do. Hare Krishna!

[@SudamaDasananda]

Pratyaksha - direct perception Paramahamsa Vishwananda is a fully realized master that has direct perception of that truth and that is the source. There are too many accounts and experiences to an extent that simply claiming them to be fake is no longer sticking. If you are curious to access that truth, you can meet the devotees and Paramahamsa Vishwananda so you can actually conclude something, instead of falling into speculation or opinions of others. The conclusions and teachings of Paramahamsa Vishwananda are supported by shastra, as you will have the chance to see in the next videos, where the siddhanta will be explained with more detail. Mahavatar Babaji is the guru of Paramahamsa Vishwananda, that is also quite known and easily accessible once you do a small research, perhaps already to your knowledge. In case the next point leads to considering Mahavatar Babaji and therefore a whole tradition of kriya yoga and other masters from different other traditions as 'bogus', that is your own personal option and believe.

[@tomashromnik108]

@@SudamaDasananda Mahavatar Babaji is not a historical figure. He is known to teach Kriya Yoga, not Bhakti Yoga. How did Vishwananda learn Bhakti Yoga so he can be a genuine bhakti guru? The sampradaya definition is directly given. It's not a speculation.... there has to be a lineage of masters and disciples. Otherwise it cannot be called sampradaya. Call it whatever you want, but not sampradaya.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

​@@tomashromnik108 You say teachings have to come from one of the authentic sampradaya. Who said what is an authentic sampradaya? the interpolations in the padma purana that have been refuted by scholars of all the sampradaya?

[@tomashromnik108]

​@@basilejolissaint1645The truth has to come from the true source. Otherwise it cannot be the truth. There are so many asampradayas with false teachings. We have to be very careful if we want to find the truth and the source of the truth. The true disciplic succession coming from the source of the truth.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@tomashromnik108 What's the source of truth for you ?

[@tomashromnik108]

"Sampradaya" is a Sanskrit term that generally means "tradition," "lineage," or "school" in the context of spiritual, philosophical, and cultural teachings. It is often used to describe a tradition of knowledge or teaching passed down through generations within Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and other Dharmic religions. Each sampradaya has a distinctive interpretation of scriptures, unique teachings, rituals, and practices, which are transmitted from teacher to disciple. Key Aspects of a Sampradaya: Guru-Disciple Lineage: A sampradaya is often centered around a line of spiritual teachers (gurus) who impart knowledge to their disciples, preserving the authenticity and continuity of teachings. Scriptural Authority: Each sampradaya emphasizes its own interpretation of sacred texts, such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, or Puranas, and may focus on specific deities or philosophies. Sampradaya is first of all a Guru-Disciple Lineage. Without Guru-Disciple Lineage there's no question of a sampradaya. The disciple has to learn from his guru and teach the same teachings he learned from his guru. If a disciple teaches his own speculations, that's not a sampradaya - that's a speculation. From which guru Vishwananda learned what he teaches in his so called sampradaya?

[@basilejolissaint1645]

The very core of the definition is not quite correct. Samprādaya means “that which gives fully” - yat sampradadātīti sampradāyaḥ. The definition here seems to be a mixture of parampara and Sampradāya. A sampradāya starts with an individual who has his own realization and therefore his own understanding of the scriptures. If you take Sri Ramanuja as an example, he was learning from Yadava Prakasa who was teaching his own version of the Bhedebheda. He disagreed with him on the basis of his own realization and was then appointed as Alavandar's successor with the mission of systematizing what became known as the Sri Vaishnava tradition. But the best and clearest example is that of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, whose teachings differ completely from those of his own guru. We can say that Isvara Puri followed Madhva's teachings as some Gaudiya say (although most don't) or that he followed Shankara's advaita and practised bhakti as for example Madhusudana Saraswati who, although one of the greatest Advati, wrote the Bhakti-rasayana and implemented the theory of rasa in advaita. Either or Mahaprabhu created his own philosophy and differs from both, then your definition of sampradaya doesn't really fit.

[@sauravadhikari8668]

You are wrong about both Ramanujacharya and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Ramanujacharya: He accepted Yamunacharya as his guru and stuck to his philosophy and principles. Sri Ramanujacharya did not start giving his own knowledge; he conveyed the eternal truths that were already there. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu: Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu took initiation from a Dashnami sannyasi who belongs to the Advaita philosophy. You can see in the Chaitanya Charitamrita that he accepted Sridhar Swami (one of the Shankaracharyas) as a jagat guru and endorsed his commentary on the Bhagavatam, asking others to follow it. Even in his Sikshashtaka, he clearly shares the same knowledge as given by Sridhar Swami. He instructs others to read the Bhagavatam of the Advaita acharya and take initiation from the Advaita acharya, sharing Advaita knowledge. Thus, he also did not give any knowledge that was not already there, just like Ramanujacharya. Please learn philosophy from authentic acharyas. If you are following Vaishnavism, at least try to learn from the acharyas of authentic Vaishnavism, like Nimbarkacharya, Ramanujacharya, Vallabhacharya, or Madhvacharya.

[@tomashromnik108]

@@basilejolissaint1645 You create your own understanding... The sampradaya definition is already given: "A sampradāya often emerges from a founder’s unique spiritual realization and personal understanding of scriptures, but it generally maintains a strong connection to existing texts and teachings. Individual realization alone is typically not enough to start a recognized sampradāya; it must be balanced with scriptural authority and an interpretation that resonates with or expands upon the traditional teachings."

[@tomashromnik108]

@@basilejolissaint1645 "Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, whose teachings differ completely from those of his own guru" - LIES. How can you even say that.... Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s teachings represent an expansion and deepening of the devotional principles he inherited from his guru’s lineage rather than a complete difference. His innovations in bhakti and philosophical thought added to his tradition’s richness and accessibility, especially for laypeople, while still honoring the core tenets of his Vaishnava lineage. Lord Chaitanya revealed his teachings based on the previous acharyas and scriptures, he had always association of senior devotees - Ishvara Puri, Advaita Acharya, Srivasa Thakur,... His exchanges with senior Vaishnavas not only validated his own spiritual experiences but also enriched his teachings, which blended philosophical depth with ecstatic, love-filled devotion for Krishna.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

If Ramanuja didn't have his own truth, why didn't he stay with Yadava Prakasha. If Mahaprabhu was an Advaiti, then that's your point. But even then, he changed philosophy compeltly because for Mahaprabhu, the brahman of shankara is an incomplete perception of the Supreme Tattva.

[@nandagramecovillage3707]

Padma Purana Uttara-khanda, Chapter 6, Verse 226 - "sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ | ataḥ kalau bhaviṣyanti catvāraḥ sampradāyinaḥ || śrī-brahma-rudra-sanaka vaiṣṇavāḥ kṣitipāvanāḥ ||" This roughly translates as: "Mantras which are received outside of a sampradaya are considered fruitless. Therefore, in the age of Kali, there will be four Vaisnava sampradayas to uplift the people: the Sri, Brahma, Rudra, and Sanaka (Kumara) sampradayas."

[@basilejolissaint1645]

Jai Gurudev, the chapter and verse you’re mentioning doesn’t exist. Theres only 42 verse in the chapter 6 and this whole chapter is about Death of Demon Bala.

[@nandagramecovillage3707]

@@basilejolissaint1645 so much for ChatGpt 🤣. But there is a chapter 226 in the 6th Volume though. I will look deeper into it. Thank you

[@ianlang1371]

Ye yatha mam prapadyante

[@aditshukla]

50:35 That is just not a Gaudiya group, but Smartas, Advaitins, Shri Vaishnavs all are speaking up against this Paundrak Sampraday. 'You do you own thing, we do our own thing' can't play out when Paundrak has _stutis_ calling Shri Radhika his maidservant; makes his disciple make Vishnu Tilak (NOONE does that even to Vishnu) and offer Tulsi on his hideous feet.

[@priyaj6242]

What’s within you that’s causing you to criticise a Sampradaya so much that you’re watching a whole video and writing multiple comments hating on them, when you have nothing to do with them? There must be something within, that’s causing this hatred being spurred out

[@aditshukla]

@@priyaj6242 'watching a whole video and writing multiple comments hating' not at all. I am simply giving my comments on the various points made here. No hate.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

Look you’re trying to make your point and as Swami Revatikaanta clearly explains in the beggining people tend to misunderstand Bhakti Marga greatly. Paramahamsa Vishwananda never claim to be Bhagavan and that He should be worshipped this is the faith of the devotee but of course if you’re not akin to His teaching or his association you can’t understand that. He personally forbids tulsi on the feet or any tilaka.

[@aditshukla]

@@basilejolissaint1645 I dont think the disciples sedate him first before making Vishnu Tilak on his feet (which practically is not even done with Vishnu deity; not even Vaishnavas dare to put it on feet) and offer Tulsi at this feet. In that case he is in full acknowledgement of the idea among his disciples that he is Bhagvan.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@aditshukla Gaudiya offer tulsi to mahaprabhu and his associates as per Gaidiya siddhanta because they recognize him as Bhagavan and his expansions. But this acceptance is only their. We Don’t have any problem with that. Why creating problem for others then ? I told you, Paramahamsa Vishwananda forbid those practices. If you still have doubt you can contact any Bhakti Marga temple and ask for yourself 👍🏼

[@reybis3016]

The guy in blue is biased. Chagos belong to Mauritius

[@kabirpalamadai3742]

Could you please make a video on Sadhguru and Isha!! 😁

[@sarthakgandre9679]

Mahaprabhu was a devotee incarnation that was his mood if everybody started worshipping him and calling him God it would interfere with his devotee mood that is why he is hidden that is why the previous scholars did not realise it mahaprabhu didn't want to be considered God when he was incarnated another verses for mahaprabhu 11.5 point 34 and in the bhagavatam and verses from the garud Puran and references in the Vishnu Sahasranamam are all accepted by all Vaishnav samprday it is just that they give different interpretations but the sloka are same. They are not later addition and the gudiya interpretation of the slokas is grammatically correct fits the context and does not contradict other Shastra and also verses are also given for ramanujacharya being incarnation of adi shesh Shri vaishnavas other samprday is also demand proof so also you are not free from giving proof for the divinity of Shri paramhans Gurudev I think he is a great devotee but not God why doesn't think so vishwaroop the n mahaprabhu did that and no scriptural evidence for him it is not random that he is called hidden in car nation orr even convenient and many acharyas from the other sampradaya like mirabai, Jagadguru kripalu Ji Maharaj premanand Ji Maharaj and even Shri Vaishnav Acharya some of them have accepted the divinity of mahaprabhu. While none outside Bhakti Marg accept the divinity of Gurudev

[@sarthakgandre9679]

Show vishwaroop forgive my typo

[@Rishivrishaparvaananda]

It is true that not all the verses mentioned are late interpolations. The Bhagavatam verses are not considered a late interpolation but, as you said, they are subject to different interpretations. late interpolation are verses from puranas without references of proper canto, chapter and so on. The original translation of the verse of the Bhagavatam (not based on the sampradāya) systematically translate these verses differently from the Gaudiya sampradāya. We understand the why and the how and also accept the divinity of Mahaprabhu, but we refuse to allow this to be based on the authority of the sastras or on an any link with the Dvaita sampradāya. Moreover, it is not true that relying on the sastras is a prerequisite for having faith in the founder of the Sampradāya as the manifestation of Bhagavān. There are so many examples, simply in Vraja, the radha-vallabha sampradāya believe in the divinity of Sri Harivansh, the same goes for Swami Haridasa and many others. Shankardev in Assamese, Swami Narayan in Gujarat are all samprdaya founders who are recognised as divine descent, but the references are nowhere to be found and need not be since the pramana for countless 'unknown ' incarnations is precisely sastra. (अवतारा ह्यसङ्ख्येया हरे: सत्त्वनिधेर्द्विजा: । यथाविदासिन: कुल्या: सरस: स्यु: सहस्रश: 1.3.16) Mahaprabhu showing the vishwaroopa to his devotees is a account according to a text in their own sampradāya which is not recognised as pramana outside their own sampradāya. With great respect, I doubt that the Sri Vaishnava and others would accept without question that Mahaprabhu showed the vishwaroopa to his devotees.

[@maximusik]

how do u know "none outside Bhakti Marg accept the divinity of Gurudev"? I personally know many people who aren't his devotees but yet confirm his divinity! There are many people like that... you just haven't met them yet, prabhuji 🙏🏼

[@sarthakgandre9679]

Again Maharaj I have said the translation of gaudiya samprday is not grammatically incorrect nor is it contradicting context or any other Shastra and we give references for multiple shastras of verses which are not considered Interpolated. Regarding other sampradaya is not accepting I have pointed out that many outside gaudiya samprday have accepted like Jagadguru Kripalu ji who is given the title Jagadguru by the council of scholar in Kashi and also acharyas from Shri sampraday sorry I don't remember the name you can find it in any article on mahaprabhu along with clip even some advait scholars like Swami Vivekananda have accepted mahaprabhu and again most people who don't accept because the purv Acharya of their samprday have not accepted or he was never given prediction by any other samprday Acharya cause he is hidden Avatar this is not some convenient claim like Swamiji said in the video. He is Bhakta Avatar devotee incarnation if everyone considered him God and worshipped him it would interfere with his mood. And why we need proof of the Shastra is also important Maharaj because there are many fake people who are sinful claiming to be divine an exploit their followers like Ram Rahim if we do not have system of proof of Shastra then anyone can claim worship based on followers fooled by magic tricks or hallucination and mahaprabhu only revealed himself to very close associates not to the general public and why he was divine another proof is that sarvabhaum Bhattacharya advait scholar and prabodhananda Saraswati Maharaj have accepted and became followers and they are also scholars. Shri paramhans Maharaj is a great devotee. But God has some signs that he is God including the marks on the food which are auspicious and totally mesmerizing beauty . Beyond human conception and performs extraordinary miracles. And even the people opposing him become his followers. Nothing like that was done by paramhans Maharaj Gurudev. Dandvat pranam

[@sarthakgandre9679]

When rational enemies accept Maharaj as god paramhans Maharaj

[@adiyen_ramanujan_dasam]

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is not God He is not Vishnu He was a great acharya of Vaishnavism

[@manohar_ivu-7]

31:36

[@manohar_ivu-7]

47:46

[@manohar_ivu-7]

50:57

[@aditshukla]

1:20:57 Just see the craziness. They will question Shri Ramanuja, from who they claim to come, to justify their guru. Btw, Ramanuja Sampraday DO give shastric pramaan for him being Adi Shesh. Whether you accept that or not, its amusing you have not come across it.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

Nobody question Ramanuja, why would we have Him on the altar and offer daily service in the main Bhakti Marga temple if it was the case ? He’s one of the greatest Vaishnava in history and surely a Divine being. However, once more the pramana you’re referring which you didn’t quote are accepted only by them otherwise if it was so clear everybody would have taken imitation when he was embodied in the south. Faith based doesn’t means wrong, it’s simply a fact that those claim are from the very Sampradaya the Acharya is from and not outside.

[@aditshukla]

@@basilejolissaint1645 I pointed out how the speaker is not informed when he says that there is no shastric pramaan of Ramanuja's position. There is, whether you accept it or not.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@aditshukla the Pramanas are from the Padma puruna and narada purana and have no references. And again we will be super happy for those claim to be true. The fact is that Bhakti Marga will not play this game of interpreting verse to announce the coming of Paramahamsa Vishwananda although they are many possible one. as pointed out most verses that are used by other sampradaya mention a Brahmana coming in the age of Kali which is precisely what Paramahamsa Vishwananda is (Bharadwaja gotra) other verse mentioning krishna varnam in Bhagavatam is as explains in the podcast also well applicable to Him without the need of saying that Krsna varnam refers to the syllable Krsna and taking the mukhya vritti of dark color. Again you will not see that in Bhakti Marga because as the podcast points out, this is au necessarily childlish game and a tap on once own back. Why not simply accepting the divinity of all those great personality on account of the greatness of their life and how many people they brought on the path of Vaishnavism. That would be mature thinking.

[@aditshukla]

@@basilejolissaint1645 Krishnavarnam tvishakrishnam is applicable to Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Even opponents cant deny thy fact that the worldwide spread of Sankirtan Yajna is in the following of Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Anyone who chants the name of Vithhal Giridhari is respectable, but that in itself will not make him suitable to fit into this shlok and declared an avtar.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

@@aditshukla check the official translation from Gita press and Montilal banarsidass and then you tell me to whom it can apply Sankirtan was first spread by Sri jnanesvara in Maharashtra trough ‘Jai Jai Ram Krishna Hari.’ Only then it came to the rest of India. This verse may well apply to Dhyandev.

[@tomashromnik108]

As of now, Vishwananda and his organization, Bhakti Marga, are not formally recognized by the Sri Vaishnava tradition as part of their lineage or as a bona fide representative of their teachings. The Sri Vaishnava Sampradāya, founded by Ramanujacharya over a thousand years ago, maintains a traditional approach with strong adherence to the philosophical framework of Vishishtadvaita (qualified non-dualism) and the worship practices focused on Vishnu/Narayana and his consort Lakshmi. Reasons for Lack of Formal Recognition: Independent Tradition: Vishwananda’s teachings and organization appear to form an independent spiritual path that combines elements of Bhakti and other devotional practices. While his teachings include devotion to deities such as Vishnu and Radha-Krishna, they do not specifically align with the Vishishtadvaita philosophy or the specific practices and rituals unique to the Sri Vaishnava tradition. Deviation from Sri Vaishnava Theology and Rituals: Sri Vaishnavas are traditionally strict about adhering to the lineage and theology established by Ramanujacharya, which emphasizes worship of Narayana (Vishnu) in conjunction with Lakshmi. Vishwananda's teachings incorporate a broader range of deities and influences from other bhakti traditions, which diverges from this specific theological framework. Absence of Guru Lineage Tied to Sri Vaishnavism: In Sri Vaishnavism, the authenticity of a teacher is often validated by an unbroken guru-disciple lineage (parampara) tracing back to Ramanujacharya. Vishwananda's spiritual lineage is not directly connected to the Sri Vaishnava parampara, making it challenging for traditional Sri Vaishnavas to recognize him as a representative. Different Emphasis on Radha-Krishna Worship: Vishwananda places a particular emphasis on the worship of Radha and Krishna, which is more closely associated with Gaudiya Vaishnavism (the tradition of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu) than with Sri Vaishnavism. Sri Vaishnavism, by contrast, prioritizes worship of Vishnu/Narayana with Lakshmi as the divine consort, focusing less on the Radha-Krishna relationship. Summary While Vishwananda’s teachings are inspired by Bhakti principles and he emphasizes devotion to deities central to Vaishnavism, his approach is not directly in line with the specific doctrines, rituals, or theological framework upheld by the Sri Vaishnava Sampradāya. Consequently, he is not recognized within that tradition as an acharya or bona fide teacher representing their lineage.

[@thechurningrod]

Swami Vishwananda is not a Sri Sampradaya acharya, he has formed his own sampradaya, as it is mentioned countless of times in this podcast. Nevertheless He was initiated into the tradition through pancha samskara as mentioned as well in this podcast. I am not sure if you are a person who is actually interested in clarifying your points you make, in former discussions your questions have been answered but still I see the same pattern of you repeating the same things and just using ChatGpt to make just accusations in the comment sections of this channel. I wonder what is your motivation? At least what Bhakti Marga Devotees are not doing is going around in comment sections of other traditions and critisizing others and trying to find fault in their practices. They are happy what they do and focus their energy in their devotion to God. They are asked to read the Bhagavad Gita, do service and spread the holy name around the globe. This is what is essential. These are the samskaras of what the apta, Swami Vishwananda gave them. To respect other paths and not to go around critisize others. If you think that your service to Krishna is mainly going to Bhakti Marga KZbin comment sections and just spending so much time in just finding fault, I really ask myself what went wrong in your spiritual path. You must be so insecure in your devotion to God that the only way to find relieve is sharing your insecurity publicly. I am on this path since 10 years and never had even the slightest feeling of going to a Gaudiya podcast and share my opinion about them publicly, even when I disagree with many things. Swami Vishwananda must really trigger so many things in the people, that they think constantly about Him, even not in a good way :) But this is His role, He shows the poison inside the minds of people who think they know everything, even by reading thousands of scriptures, they are still full of judgment. On purpose i haven't answered all your points above because as mentioned at the begin, you are not really interested in clarification so I had the need to stress about your motivations, it is for sure something personal and has nothing to do with the motivation of trying to find answers to questions to clear the doubt.

[@tomashromnik108]

​@@thechurningrodWhat's wrong with public discussion and arguments if you see someone is wrong. You can freely put comments and arguments wherever you want to put a different perspective than they present for better understanding. Doing so it doesn't immediately mean that someone is insecure, maybe he just have different opinion and perspective and information. Hare Krishna

[@vwlisa]

@@tomashromnik108everything @thechurningrod has said is so true. You were questioning me after my comment which felt like you were trying to catch me out or prove me wrong. Someone else after the same comment thinks they also know everything and told me the changes within myself are all materialistic without even knowing the facts. The Swamis do not come across as stupid neither do the devotees so isn’t it their choice ? It’s completely up to the individual. What’s it got to do with you ? It does prove whatever you are doing isn’t making you a better human. That’s what it’s all about isn’t it ? Not to waste your time trying to prove peoples individual feelings are wrong.

[@tomashromnik108]

@@vwlisa Feelings might be wrong, mightn't they? What's wrong with asking how some certain persons or teachings changed their life? You feel that I attack you? But is it true? It's your feeling, it might not be true. Therefore being on a sentimental platform considering our emotions to be true cannot be the way to know the truth. In order to know the truth, we need to put our subjective sentiments aside and start using logic and intelligence. But that's hard for sentimental people....

[@vwlisa]

@@tomashromnik108 no I didn’t say I felt you attacked me. I just think it wasn’t just a friendly chat it was to interrogate. Who are you to tell people their feelings are wrong ? I don’t consider myself sentimental and am very logical. You can’t assume you know randoms in the comments section.

[@bravopatrick9591]

It’s a cult not a sampraday. Pretending to be bonafide is disingenuous.

[@Fortunallegando]

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[@Zibdabad]

These guys are trying to compare Chaitanya to Swami Vishvananda ??? It is because of the 7 Goswamis under Chaitanya the land of Braj was thoroughly revealed. Pack of Jokers .

[@DharmaSpeaks]

The discoveries of the goswamis are accepted on faith not on empirical factual evidence, just like Chaithanya's status and Paramahamsa Vishwananda's position. The difference is, the faith based claims for Mahaprabhu are founded on biographies written by his own followers 500 years ago. The claims for Paramahamsa Vishwananda are based on the experience of devotees here and now. As the episode points out there is no proof that there are four exclusive vaisnava sampradayas and there is no proof that Mahaprabhu has been predicted in sastra. Which means the gaudiya sampradaya has no particular claim to be being authoritative over any other movement.

[@sauravadhikari8668]

You claimed that your guru, Sri Vishwananda, took initiation and started giving knowledge that is against his guru. Therefore, technically, your guru is a guru virodhi. Manusmriti 11.57 states: "An ungrateful person, one who harms or disrespects their guru, an atheist, and one who condemns the Vedas-these individuals are considered sinners and are regarded as the lowest among the sinful." Since you accepted that Swami Vishwananda updated or changed the knowledge he received from his guru, he is not imparting knowledge from parampara. The importance of parampara in the Sanatana Dharma system cannot be overstated. As emphasized in Bhagavad Gita 4.3, authentic spiritual knowledge is passed down through a lineage of self-realized souls, ensuring its purity and effectiveness. The entire Sanatana Dharma system is built upon this authentic lineage. Since you acknowledged that you do not fall within this lineage, you cannot be considered a Sanatani.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

So Mahaprabhu Caintaya, Vqllabhacarya, Swami Narayana are also Guru virodhi, why make such a nonsensical claim? Since when has Paramahamsa Vishwananda been ungrateful to his Guru and condemned the Vedas? have you even listened to him once? I rather doubt it.

[@sauravadhikari8668]

Did Chaitanya Mahaprabhu or Vallabhacharya introduce any new knowledge or teachings that differed from what they received from their gurus? If they introduced even a single new concept, then it would not be considered Sanatana knowledge. The very definition of Sanatana knowledge is that it is eternal and changeless-it cannot be altered. If even a single word is changed, it ceases to be Sanatana. Can you name any authentic acharya, such as Ramanujacharya, Nimbarkacharya, Vallabhacharya, Shankaracharya, or Chaitanya Mahaprabhu etc, who propagated teachings that contradicted their guru’s teachings? In the video, the speaker explicitly states that Sri Vishwananda’s guru does not agree with the knowledge his disciple is imparting (kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqvFm4Brm6mlnK8) and isn't it disrespectful to contradict the knowledge of one's guru.

[@basilejolissaint1645]

Please consider what you have just written: ‘’Did Chaitanya Mahaprabhu or Vallabhacharya introduce new knowledge or teachings that differed from those they had received from their gurus?'' Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, whether a follower of Madhva or Shankara, is not important because acintya-bhedabheda is different from both. Krsna as the highest Bhagavan is also new, the abandonment of varnashrama dharma and babajis wasn't quite there before, it is just a little obvious. Then Vallbhacarya introduced 2 mantras that He received from Krsna, made his new philosophy of suddhadvaita, introduced pusti-bhakti and classified the jiva in different ways; one of them being the pusti-jiva born only in Vallbha's family. If these aren't new teachings i don't know what you want. As a clarification, I thought everything they brought was great and that's what we're trying to bring in this podcast. Dharma constantly evolves over time, the essence remains the same.

[@eckbertinho]

​ @sauravadhikari8668 "Did Chaitanya Mahaprabhu or Vallabhacharya introduce any new knowledge or teachings that differed from what they received from their gurus?" yes of course, how could anyone deny that, particularly in the case of Chaitanya? Would you say Mahāprabhu followed the siddhānta of his guru? Would you say rāgānuga is the predominant upāsana of Chaitanya's guru? Would you say Rādhārānī was worshipped by Chaitanya's guru? Would you say mañjarī-bhāva is considered the prayojana according to Chaitanya's guru? "Can you name any authentic acharya, such as Ramanujacharya, Nimbarkacharya, Vallabhacharya, Shankaracharya, or Chaitanya Mahaprabhu etc, who propagated teachings that contradicted their guru’s teachings?" - advancing siddhānta doesn't imply contradicting previous teachings

[@sauravadhikari8668]

​@@basilejolissaint1645​you're soo wrong about mahaprabhu. 1) Achintya vedaved does not contradict with advait. It matches exactly with byabahar and paramarth of advait. Please research about advait under authentic advait gurus, not what Iskcon says about advait. 2) lord krishna has always been considered as supreme bhagavan, see bhaja govindam of Shankaracharya. Tell me one authentic acharyas in Shankar lineage who don't Consider Krishna as bhagavan. 3) When did mahaprabhu abandoned barnashram Dharma? Did he did upanayan of his disciple from Muslim sect? You can see how much he gave importance to Barnashram Dharma, that he reversed a Upanishad's mantra (Hare Krishna mantra) so that everyone has the right to chant that mantra. And you guys are saying he abandoned barnashram. Please Give me one example where he did so.

[@revolutionist2468]

🕉️🇧🇩🌍🔱🙏❤️✊

[@AlexAntony380]

Who is this new guru in town. There must be money in starting new sampradayas. Make people sing, whisper some gibberish in their ears and voila see your bank account swell.

[@navdvipadas4649]

You are just harming sanatan dharma

[@eckbertinho]

Don't you think there are more acute threats to Sanatana-dharma than three guys with Bhagavan's footprint on their foreheads having a conversation about deficiencies of contemporary Vaishnava sampradaya? A look at recent events in Bangladesh might help to form an opinion.

[@SudamaDasananda]

What harms sanata dharma is the constant attack and hypocrisy that is experienced by different devotees of different sampradayas and organizations. This video only displays how mad and illogical and corrupted is the thinking behind such attitudes. When we give 2 steps back and understand how much we have in common and how movements come into being, we can stop the aggression and have respect and appreciation for each other's path. All saints, divine personalities and guru that were mentioned are highly respect, refered in satsangs by Gurudev and present in our saints museum and are role models of what it means to be a devotees of the Lord.

[@mavishenator123]

Why don’t you conduct an open debate with Gaudiya Vaishnavas, I’m sure you’ll be scared.

[@derekwinder9429]

These people are just creating confusion.

[@mavishenator123]

Another failed sampradaya yanking about Gaudiya Vaishnavas doing aparadha, if you cannot preach don’t do anti preaching.

[@piage84]

You guys really believe these myths or you just talk about them like people talk about, say, the Greek mythology?

[@jeroenquartier7126]

Yes, they/we do. For us it's history.

[@harshgarg1448]

The thing with Hindu myths is that the goal of the myths is to often convey some learning or teachings to the recipient of that myth, it doesn't matter if you take them literally or not, as long as the message comes across.(Hinduism is fluid like that). So in essense, somebody who believes in a myth (Leela) is equally valid pov as someone not believing the myth, as long as they get the messages meant to be conveyed by the stories. If message is not imbibed believing it or not believing it is a moot point. Though the degree of belief or how one interprets these myths varies from sect to sect(sampradaya), this particular sect is a vaishnavite sect , which is mixture of iskcon bhakti philosophy with karma yoga philosophy of ram krishna mission (as of my understanding). Hence Hindus doesn't give you ready made answers, your are free to choose any of the ways (even atheist exists in the fold and have a famous sampradaya).

[@piage84]

@@harshgarg1448 that could be said about basically any myth since myths usually are born to convey messages in every culture. My question wasn't about any of that. I was curious to understand whether they believe in them or not

[@jeroenquartier7126]

@@piage84 So let me confirm! I'm a monk of Bhakti Marga. And if you ask me, if we believe in the various incarnations of the Lord, wherein He performed awesome miracles like lifting mountains, killing demons, multiplying Himself of bringing back people from death, I can say Yes, He literally did that. And not only in ancient times by the way...

[@harshgarg1448]

​​​​@@piage84 I explained all that to convey the point that wether they belive or not depend on the sect , this particular sect believe that these things happened and are historic in nature. In fact in first 1/3 of this episode they were trying to convey why a statement about one of the puranas is not a valid point and may be a latter addition by various logical arguments, as that statement stands as a gatekeeper in them claiming to be a new sampradaya i.e, getting legitimacy among plurality of Hindu Sects. This legitimacy is important because it ensures that the new sampradaya is not a "cult " or "malicious group" out to con individuals in the name of opening a spiritual path. Many famous gururs like Sathya Sai, Sadguru, Osho or Ramdeva are not part of any sampradaya and hence are not taken seriously by Hindu organisations.(even though they are wealthy) My explanation was to convey to you that them believing the myth doesn't diminish the philosophical discussions emanating from their discussion.

[@tomashromnik108]

You cannot just create a sampradaya. It usually becomes asampradaya if this happens: Key Characteristics of Asampradāya Lack of Scriptural Basis or Traditional Authority: An asampradāya often operates without adherence to the classical scriptures or recognized lineage. This can lead to interpretations or practices that are not aligned with traditional teachings. Absence of an Unbroken Guru-Disciple Lineage: Unlike a sampradāya, which typically has an unbroken chain of teachers and disciples, an asampradāya may lack this continuity. In traditional Hindu thought, a legitimate sampradāya preserves teachings through this lineage, which provides authenticity and guidance for spiritual practices. New or Unorthodox Beliefs and Practices: An asampradāya might promote novel or unorthodox beliefs that deviate from the philosophical foundations and practices of established schools. These could include reinterpretations of scriptures or newly introduced rituals that don’t align with traditional Hindu teachings. Perception of Illegitimacy: Within the Hindu context, an asampradāya may be viewed with skepticism or even seen as illegitimate, especially by traditionalists. Followers of established sampradāyas tend to view asampradāya teachings as potentially misleading or lacking the authoritative wisdom of the classical texts and lineage.

[@MatijaLedinski-u6p]

Chat GPT warrior :D

[@cultsandcontroverse3949]

Cults 😂😂😂

[@TheGazz108]

Thank you so much for this video. I’m loving this discussion. You have done your homework pretty thoroughly, and are presenting food for thought that all Vaishnavas of any Sampradaya should take very seriously. I haven’t finishing watching yet, I’m about half way through. I just stepped in to comment on something which Swami Revatikaanta said at around 55:50 in Chapter “Same Logic Applied for All”. He said that Lord Swāminārāyan Bhagwan was initiated in a dream by Sri Rāmānuja himself. I think this is incorrect. As I understand it, it was Rāmānanda Swami (the later one, born Rāma Sharma in 1738 AD) who received Diksha in a dream from Rāmānuja Ācharya, and founded the Uddhava Sampraday. He in turn initiated Nilkanth Varni into the Uddhava Sampradaya, giving him the names Sahajānanda Swāmi and Nārāyan Muni. This Rāmānanda Swami handed over leadership of the Uddhava Samparadaya to Sahajānanda Swami before he left his body, having recognized his illustrious disciple as an Avatar of Krishna. This Rāmānanda Swami is believed by Swāminārāyan adherents to be reincarnation of Uddhava, the close friend of Sri Krishna. The Rāmānandi sect or Sampradaya are followers of the earlier, different Rāmānanda Swami from 14th century. It’s an easy mistake to make. I’ve done it myself. The prophecy foretelling the advent of Nārāyan Muni can be found in the 18th chapter of Vāsudev Māhātmya, from Vishnu Khand within Skanda Purāna, complete with birthplace and father’s name etc. Please go check it. There seems to a common theme of many great Vaishnava Saints and Āchāryas taking diksha and then later on rejecting the teachings of the same guru who initiated them. The great Rāmānuja himself did the same. I think we should see it as evolution of ideas and viewpoint. I like the idea of serious senior Vaishnavas of earlier Sampradayas being relaxed about other Sampradayas even when they disagree with their ideas. I think this is very healthy. Agree to disagree, with respect. “Vānchā kalpatarubhyas cha….etc”. Rejoice in brotherhood of Vaishnavas, and appreciate our great good fortune to have been honored with the immense blessing of being a Vaishnava, devotee of the Supreme Lord, regardless of whichever door of Sampradaya we entered the fold of Vaishnavism. Jay Sri Krshna!

[@basilejolissaint1645]

namaskar, very beautful conclusion. You're right, So this seems to be a very common mistake, because apparently everyone makes it. So, Swami Narayan's guru was initiated in a dream, not himself or 14th-century Ramananda.