To the Moon - The Fading Memory of Neil | SwankyBox

[@SwankyBox]

For those inquiring about Finding Paradise: I have a video in the works. Stay tuned!

[@kuhpunkt]

Regarding Neil's health. There are several hints that he's ill. If you go with him to the lighthouse in the beginning, you can see that his health bar isn't full during the RPG fight with the squirrel. Then of course the lies about the painkillers. And then there is the moment at the fair. If you talk to the fortune teller, Neil says "Good or bad, I'm screwed either way." implying, that he might be terminally ill. His snarky comments seem to be his coping mechanism.

[@SwankyBox]

+kuh punkt - Very interesting! I forgot about the dialogue at the fair, so thanks for bringing that up. I definitely think there is something going on with his health and that he may be terminally ill. It makes me wonder what desire he would want fulfilled by memory alteration, or if Eva is doing it against his will for some reason. That is, assuming that is what is taking place in the holiday episodes. I wonder if anything has to do with having a crush either. It makes me wonder if Neil is dying and never got to express his feelings to Eva, so Eva as a parting gift changes his memories so that he is involved in more functions with him, and then eventually end up together. The concept is a tad creepy, but it makes me wonder. Although I guess when it boils down to it, removing a relationship (River) and adding a relationship are in the same ballpark.

[@averyclareduecker4163]

That is very true, after looking into it. I found a disease which would match him perfectly, and it said it was incurable, which goes along with him saying he is screwed

[@maikunpog4809]

@@averyclareduecker4163 what disease is it?

[@grasshopper1292]

Exactly, thank you! 😅

[@Alex_the_Mex]

Well, we finally got an answer now that the Beach Episode is out.

[@jazzyjammy2704]

beginning: I get it end: I don't get it

[@L16htW4rr10r]

What do you not understand?

[@jazzyjammy2704]

L16htW4rr10r mostly everything

[@L16htW4rr10r]

+jazjam123 Uum... I can try to explain if you want. As long I know where to start first.

[@SwankyBox]

+jazjam123 - It's a rather confusing topic because every situation has two or three potential outcomes. I think something like this would be best explained through a crazy flow chart. Lines would be going all over the place however...

[@L16htW4rr10r]

+SwankyBox Oh, that one. Heh. That would be very cool. XD

[@Mieru13]

So, in Finding Paradise, sometime in the start of Act II when Neil goes to get his pills from the car, he sees again the bike that he comments on at the start of the game. He says "Wait a minute--" like he's about to recall seeing it before, but then there's this white flash, and he says "Huh, that's a nice bike. Sure wish I had one like it..." Neil is definitely losing memories.

[@Camilla5156]

And losing memories could be a side effect from using the machine and its functions on himself.. just like he has to take painkillers to avoid the pain. It makes sense.

[@mli2883]

Oohhh, right! I knew that was a strange scene... God, I didn't know there was so much more to the plot.

[@KerriKittehx]

RePoisn It's making me think does Neil have dementia or alzeimers? I can see a third to the moon game being made about Neil

[@wojciechmuras553]

@@mli2883 Have you played the Minisodes? They just raise more questions...

[@connorsmith75]

To the Moon was the first game to actually make me cry. What a beautiful game.

[@Axioanarchist]

+Connor Smith Not my first (Final Fantasy IX gets that honor) but yeah I was certainly sobbing by certain points in the story.

[@connorsmith75]

SoulJoe Yeah, I could tell from the profile picture, lol

[@rodlav91]

Honestly, I think it's bs. You changed some dying person's memories, then what? Their entire memories erased on a whim, just to be able to "realize" a wish. But that's just a lie, it never really happened. Their lives were still miserable, boring, sad or disappointing and nothing can erase that. Now everyone else still knows, but that one person decided to forget about everything and everyone to die happy.

[@davidgn40]

@@rodlav91 that's... exactly what makes it bittersweet...

[@shrodu]

my vote? Neil's dying. Slowly, but surely. Neil may be wanting to alter his own memories involving something horrible he did to his family. Something he wishes he had forgotten. The "2nd" Neil would have to exist to stop whatever Neil 1 was trying to accomplish. It's possible that Eva in the end is actually Eva 2. Eva 1 went to her sister's home. Eva 2 made a pleasant memory for Neil that one year. What we see is a memory being altered in front of us.

[@kitsunegirl9996]

It's glad to know that I'm not the only one that thought that the memory Eva (the one in the car) actually went home to her family and that the real Eva (the one on the road) was the one that gave Neil a happy memory.

[@kevinm5940]

Oh yeah. The credits of 'minisode' 2 were definitely not real.

[@johnlahey2157]

When he says "It's not them" doesn't mean his parents aren't his parents. It means that the problem is not with them "Is it something they did?" "It's not them" meaning, they didn't do anything for him to not want to speak to them, it is his own decision independent of them for him to not want to speak to them.

[@HRPrime]

Wow I haven't heard about this game for a while. Everyone forgot about this classic when undertale came out.

[@blackcat4562]

I didn't! ^-^

[@belaknworb3548]

Actually I think they forgot when Five Nights at Freddy's came out. Or before that...

[@tenzer0]

SAVAGE.

[@KingsRow55]

People forgot about it way before that.

[@OrbitalfilmsAU]

+HRPrimeGaming To the Moon is a billion times better than Undertale (Undertale is still amazing though, TtM= #1, Undertale= #2.

[@AtlanticGiantPumpkin]

I don't think we could be in any of their memories. In the beginning of To the Moon, when someone is supposed to have Sarah and Tommy show them to the basement. We are able to choose who goes down there. If we were truly in a memory, we would only be able to follow whoever's memory we were in. And we don't follow only one doctor throughout the story. Neil is gone at the beginning of Act 2 when Eva is exploring, and Eva is gone during the whole mindf*ck when Neil is trying to keep her from removing River (unless you count the Zombievas). I'm sure something bigger is going on, but I don't think it's that.

[@StarlitSwamp]

You're right : if we always got to control the same character, we could easily deduce that everything could take place in their mind, but the changes of perspective make it very confusing. They would've had to somehow combine their memories (real or rewritten) to make all of this happen only in either Neil or Eva's head, which makes no sense. But considering the weird glitches and contradictions, it can't be just an objective outsider's POV either... I hate being aware that I'm missing something !

[@kuhpunkt]

There's a moment in To the Moon where Memory-John asks Neil, what he is. "You're merely an algorithm..." And Memory-John asks him: "Is this really what I am?" Memory-John is/was not aware that he's not real. It seems real to him. From his perspective, Neil and Eva can just appear out of nowhere and disappear into thin air, when they actually just enable/disable visibility. This is what Eva could have seen in Minisode 2 when she was in the car. She might have just been an algorithm that saw the real Eva appear in front of her on the street. Real Eva noticed that algorithm-Eva saw her and disabled visibility.

[@linad3896]

I like this theory.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Huh. That actually make sense. Maybe real Neil is also the one who turned off the generator to stop the memory!Neil to successfully use the machine. I wouldnt surprise that something bad happen to Neil in not memory when he successfully do it and thats why Real Neil stop memory!Neil from doing it. Just another theory I just think of.

[@SwankyBox]

+kuh punkt - I agree with you 100% on this. Sorry if the video didn't make it clear, but that was my intentions for this part. It makes me wonder about Neil's involvement in all of it too though, unless it was simply Eva who altered the memory and cut the power in the office.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

+SwankyBox But there is no way she could faked up that part where Neil manually turn off the generator.

[@SwankyBox]

+L16htW4rr10r - They have complete control over the memory though. It would be no different than the time she used it to rearrange the school halls, add zombies, and scatter traps about. If this is just a memory of what was happening, then they could surely defy the logic of the power supply log by simply replacing it with whatever they wanted. The world is just putty in their hands to some extent.

[@DamZ1428]

Hypothesis 1: If Neil use pain killer, it's because he tried to use the machine on himself which is potentially dangerous as it cause memories contradiction, so it had painful side effect. Hypothesis 2: He try to use the machine on himself to change his memories about something wrong he made (linked to his family) Hypothesis 3: At the end of the second minisode, Eva doesn't look older. Maybe she used the machine to change her memory about this christmas night, where she left Neil alone at the office.

[@StylerGear]

Hopefully this gets explained at some point in the franchise; It seems like once the developers are done with the series, I suspect we'll all replay everything and go "Oo~ooh, now I get it!"

[@watertommyz]

Finding Paradise just came out!! It takes awhile because it's a very small team working on the series.

[@kuhpunkt]

And maybe you missed that in Minisode 2. If you interact with the machine, Neil says "So much wasted potential..." implying he might want to do more with it than just fulfilling wishes of dying people.

[@altus2447]

>this video gets 8k >undertale gets 98k Why

[@SwankyBox]

+strike witches nerd sells dank maymays - Probably because people have a hard time finding the video. To the Moon has been out for several years, so when people search for it, they will probably find other videos before they find mine. It's just the nature of KZbin's cruel algorithm unfortunately.

[@nikgarus3709]

What really happened during the christmas minisode: a) Eva went to her sister's with the company car. Neil stayed behind to use his machine. The Eva that came back is a memory Eva, while the Neil that used the emergency shutdown is also a memory Neil (presumably to stop Neil from using the machine). After Neil turns the power back on, he runs into memory Eva, and hits her with the broom. b) Eva didn't use the company car because Neil wanted to use it to go home. Eva waited for her sister to pick her up. Neil used the emergency shutdown to turn off the building (such a Neil thing to do), and left. The Eva that gave Neil a present (the recorder) is a memory Eva; while the Neil that received the present and that didn't say anything about the company car, is also a memory Neil. This memory Neil stayed behind to use the machine. Real life events (Neil shutting down the power) influenced memory Neil's actions. After memory Neil turns the power back on, he runs into Eva (not a memory), who was waiting for her sister, and hits her with the broom. Basically, during the dinner, we have a combination of either "memory Eva + Neill *or* "Eva + memory Neil"; depending on who is trying to use the machine to alter whose memory.

[@SasukeUchiha723]

Very clear explaination

[@user-ry4eg2mg2y]

I'm confuzzled as hell

[@orlandomoreno6168]

Very poor use of language

[@cocoacoconuts24]

I don't think the second minisode could have been either Neil's or Eva's memories because (if we're looking through either of their POVs, which we would in a typical memory), we couldn't have seen Neil alone in his locked office or Eva alone in her car. We would have only seen what the person has seen. I propose a third culprit. Please hear me out. (This is copied from a post I wrote in another forum on this exact topic.) The intended purpose of the machine, as we’ve seen in “To the Moon” is to hook both the doctors and the patient up to the machine, so that the doctors have access to the patient’s memory. The way I think this works is that the doctors log in to the machine with a username and password, like logging in to an online server. A required log in would make sense, since it would prevent just anyone from messing with the machine. Their consciousness are then transferred into the patient’s head, and the machine renders the doctors as apparitions or avatars that can now interact with the patient’s memories. No clue if I’m right on this. Eva and Neil are obviously using the machine for something other than its intended purpose. (They have to do it in secret, after all. And it looks experimental if Neil has to try it thirty times.) They’re hooking themselves up to the machine without a patient, or in other words, without someone’s memories to dive into. What if Eva and Neil aren’t trying to dive into anyone’s memories? What if the machine allows them to project their consciousness into the actual, real life world and make things happen? Kind of like turning yourself into a poltergeist, while you sit safe and sound in the privacy of your apartment or office? You could, say, infiltrate the Sigmund Corp office and shut off the power. Or you could simply “turn off visibility” and spy on people? Or investigate an incident to get to the bottom of what happened? What if that’s why Eva and Neil have tried hooking themselves up to the machine in secret? What if they already suspect that someone has been illicitly using the machine in this way, and are trying to catch this person? Let’s consider the possibility of this unknown third culprit. If you were up to no good, and you knew Eva and Neil were on to you, what would you do? Sabotage them. If this third culprit has Neil’s login info and could possibly be watching Eva (See: her diary), this person could very well have Eva’s login info as well. He or she could have stolen one of these machines, used Eva’s login info to access the machine, and that would cause the machine to render their consciousness as Eva’s image. Stealing the machine doesn’t sound that hard, after all. During the second minisode, Eva’s brother-in-law asks about security, and someone (Eva or Neil, I forget which) mentions that security is really light. What if that’s all it took? The memory device sees a person using the machine, sees that this person inputted Eva’s username and password, thinks “This person must be Eva,” and renders this person’s avatar as Eva’s image. How else could the computer know that the person using it is NOT Eva? It would’ve been a brilliant plan on the criminal’s part. He/she could very easily stop Neil from investigating the memory machine by shutting off the power, while simultaneously framing Eva for it by doing it in her image. No one would be any the wiser, because this person would be safe and sound in their own private lair. We know that Sigmund Corp has a lot of dissenters, after all. It’s not too far-fetched to think that one of them might be a bit on the extreme side…

[@SasukeUchiha723]

I like this WAY better...... Not that I dont like the main story much, but it's good to see that there's more to Watts and Eva

[@3irill608]

cocoacoconuts24 Wow, just wow! This is a great theory. And I think it makes more sense then what's described in this video. I guess we can only wait and see though, I just hope Neil's okay.

[@wojciechmuras553]

This can't work. The machine is not magic. It's a neural stimulation device, it can't interact with the real world. Besides, what would be the criminals motive?

[@cocoacoconuts24]

@@wojciechmuras553 There are 2 possibilities: either it's real life or it's a memory. The reason why I'm ruling out memory is because it would have to come from an omniscient person who has seen both Eva and Neil alone, which doesn't sound likely. Besides, what would be the criminal's motive in altering a memory? Nothing would've changed in real life, so why would they bother? It makes more sense to me that the criminal is using the machine to do something (we don't know what yet) in real life. As for their motive for doing that, the games have been building up this question of "Should Sigmund Corp exist?" "Is it right to alter the memories of the dying?" Judging by the protestors throwing tomatoes at the building, it looks like a lot of people would say no. To me, it's not too far-fetched to imagine one of those dissenters would take it to the extreme and take down the entire company using their own technology against them. (And on a side note, wouldn't that be a fitting finale for the series - for someone to try and take down the entire company?)

[@xc8217]

@@cocoacoconuts24 I think the culprit could be the woman on the bike who "swooped in" and got Potato's teddy bear. I'm not sure why her description made her sound like Faye? I wonder if there is a real Faye and the program of Faye that is used as the "solution" that Watts shows Roxie and Rob at the end of Finding Paradise.

[@gghelis]

"Why aren't you talking to them? Was it someting they did?" "No, it's not them". I'm pretty sure he just means they didn't do anything. As in, their actions are not the reason why he's not talking to them.

[@bacicinvatteneaca]

Wow, I thought the game was much simpler. And now it's 1 am and I'm vrying for no reason.

[@SwankyBox]

+Thing - I wish it was simpler! The love story is simple, but the story behind it all is pretty cryptic. It is fun trying to figure out the puzzle though.

[@erthbound7900]

After watching another playthrough of this game just a few minutes ago, I noticed some odd things I didn't notice on my own playthrough.And yeah, they might just be mere coincidences but since we're talking about a game which deals with altering memories, they are at least worth taking into concideration. First of all, some small tidbits of dialoug that kinda stood out to me this time: Neill was talking about his memories with his grandfather, while Eva was dropping hints of memories with her and Neill (Helping him cheating the entrance exams, "You of all people should know that" after Johnny invited River to the movie). That may not seem so strange, but the only times Neill kinda talks about memories of him and Eva together, are events that happend during the game(Car-Crash, Pushing him of the lIghthouse), while Eva only talks abou memories we haven't seen, as well as not talking about memories only involving her. While this simply could be because of their personalitys it still strikes me as kinda odd, again especially given the whole Memory altering shenanigans. And one little thing you kinda missed, or at least did not mention in the video, was the fact that two Neills could be seen for a brief moment on the bridge before the space shuttle took of. And since I think that entering and altering your own memories would kinda result in a paradox similar to the grandfather-paradox with timetravels, it makes me belief that at this particular moment, we are in Eva's memories, not Neill's. That again would imply the exact opposite in the Holiday Minisode where we get to see two Eva's. My conclusion on that, at least based on the clues and facts we have as of now, is, that in fact, both of them are dieing, and they are diving into each others minds at the same time, but trying to achieve different results. But at the end, all we can do for now, is wait for the release of Finding Paradise, and see how the story continues. Sorry for any kind of spelling- or grammarmistakes, but english is not my mothertongue

[@SwankyBox]

A concrete wall, huh? Oh Neil...

[@firetarrasque4667]

I will make a new chart! Rising action falling action exposition rising action climax falling action.

[@donicsm7684]

The thing about Neil’s parents being dead and Eva not knowing really really hits home for me. There’s no doubt in my mind memories can be self aware. Eva showed us a glimpse of this when she explains how River still ended up with Johnny. She explain it something to the affect of it is still up to “her” if she rejoins Johnny later in his life after being corrected out. There’s no gurantee there as she makes her own decisions based on Johnny’s wiki of knowledge(? I forget what the actual terminology was). Although if Neil knows something Eva doesn’t know this should mean this isn’t strictly Eva’s memories, it should be Neil’s.

[@birdbride1504]

i dont know if i understand everything talked about here, but i really like the idea of eva messing with neils memories, and neil rebelling against it. however, my first through from seeing eva in the chair, was she was an unwilling participant in memory alteration, and neil was actually the mastermind behind it.

[@oseandepartmentofnarcotics]

Imposter factory confirms neil is ill, ill as in his disease he inherited from his mom could become fatal at any moment. But also in imposter factory and the paper memories comic neil uses the machine to view memories his mother left for him (she helped develop the machine) so your theory is really plausible

[@grasshopper1292]

But we know Neil is sick right? That initial squirrel fight shows he is lacking HP which isn't the case if you play as Eva. Then the red flash shows that he's in pain and in a simulation. It makes the most sense to me that he is dying and they're using the machine to artificially give him more life, future memories he won't have time to experience. He keeps his same job because he just wanted to live out his life but couldn't do that in the real world.

[@SwankyBox]

There’s always the possibility that Neil and Eva are at war within each other’s memory (or perhaps just Neil’s). Even though I vouched for the power supply turning off for other reasons, it could also be that Neil entered Eva's memory and shut it off preemptively. What are your thoughts?

[@L16htW4rr10r]

07:33 THAT IS THE MOST MAKE SENSE THING EVER. 09:53 Finally someone mention this thing purposes! As for what I was thinking, there is should be another question we should asked ourself. If Eva is the one who try to alter Neil's memory, why is she the one who lost her memory? Except she didnt lost it and Im misunderstand it. And what is the purpose of the pills Neil eats? What if Eva is trying to alter either her own memories, or Neils memory when he is not dying? The memory!Neil notice this and want to go into her memories to stop this process. But of course it continues on failling because he is just a memory either. And because she or he wanted to try to alter someone memories who is not death yet, their true memories keep clashing with each other. It would probably why he needs the pills too. He doesnt want anyone to alter his brain, and the struggle harms his brain. Food for thoughts here.

[@GuyinaBubble]

Umm... Did you remember the dialogue in To the Moon were Neil says he went camping with his grandfather and drinked A LOT of coffe during that time? And he had an illness because of it but i dont remember it quite well

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Freaking Daddy I don't think you can have sickness only because coffee. And even if he does, it shouldn't kill him.

[@axlorg89]

+SwankyBox There's also the fact that the elevator opens and closes immediately up for Eva (Says a coworker) closes slowly at the end.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

axlorg89 I didnt remember that.

[@KeeperOfUntoldDreams]

In regards to that scene of Eva sitting in a chair with the helmet on: Are those liquor bottles on the table next to her?

[@PMZaphod]

Duuuude you totally missed (or forgot) about the second Neil on the rocket launch scene. When borh Neil and Eva are standing on the bridge watching the launch, you can see another Neil standing right behind them. What do you think about it?

[@SwankyBox]

+Patricio Maloney - I think it's just a mistake in RPG Maker. I used to make a similar mistake all the time (turning the player graphic invisible, and making your character appear elsewhere - in this case, Neil moving up next to Eva). Upon seeing it I immediately thought of that. Someone also mentioned that the creator addressed this somewhere, but I wasn't able to find it.

[@crashdot7391]

Almost 2018... To the Moon still has a better story than fking AAA games on ps4 I wonder if someone will ever read this

[@AngelliaX]

me

[@kevinm5940]

I think the recorder was used to show that Neill is lonely. He's recording the sound of a social gathering to play back later.

[@MsTonton28]

This game is my all time favorite game, so I'm excited to see some more theory videos about this game. ESPECIALLY about Neil! He's a pretty interesting character if you asked me!

[@SpainSpace]

If you read this comment, I hope you finally make a video about what we've seen in Finding Paradise. I loved this one and cannot wait to hear your thoughts about FP :)

[@NikhilSahil77]

I can't wait for Finding Paradise. So excited! End of 2016 to early 2017 release people!

[@LPS123St]

(finding paradise spoiler warning) i believe the machine that neil is "testing" in this video, is the replica he was doing because at some point in finding paradise (im still at the middle in the game, so i dont know if its more clarified in the future) roxanne finds out that the machine that neil and eva are using isn't the company's machine; but i have no idea about the scene of when *eva* is using the machine, that has the be a different story

[@kuhpunkt]

And the reality of To the Moon can't be a memory because it defies the established logic how memories work. There are several scenes in the game where Neil is not around. And since he's not present in those moments, those can't be memories.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Except both of them messed up with it.

[@kuhpunkt]

L16htW4rr10r What do you mean?!

[@L16htW4rr10r]

+kuh punkt Um... Your theory works if its only if its only Eva that control the machine. But what if it was both of them who do it? So no matter if the other seperated, their existence would still there. And there is theory I just saw that said the possibility Real!Eva and Real!Neil use their Disable visibility. So what Eva saw that crossing the street and suddenly disappear could be Real!Eva use her disable visibility. This could be means... maybe Real!Eve and Real!Neil wants to erase their own memory. I really hope this is not the case.

[@kuhpunkt]

L16htW4rr10r *"Um... Your theory works if its only if its only Eva that control the machine. But what if it was both of them who do it?"* But what are you referring to? To the Moon? Minisode 2? There are so many layers (real world, memory, artificial construct) that it's easy to mix things up.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

+kuh punkt If you mean the one where the car stopped, its Minisode 2. But if you mean when they use the machines to alter their own memories, I believe it actually in all of the game so far. I could be wrong, but I wouldnt surprise if this happen.

[@redzgaming6880]

I personally think that the events of the holiday special were Eva rewriting her own memories to forget the fact that she left Neil alone in his office, and that the thing with Neil and the painkillers in the base game was because Neil tried using the device on himself before Eva perfected the technique. Mainly because 1. The theory in this video makes my head hurt, 2. This theory has the potential to ruin the best ending in gaming history (To the Moon), and 3. Eva is alone in her house, key word, alone, with no patient hooked up to it, meaning she is probably rewriting her own memories. Though I might be missing something because I've never played Finding Paradise.

[@AtlanticGiantPumpkin]

The pronunciation of Eva made me cringe. Did you never watch Wall-E? EEEEEVA!!!!

[@atomicartz469]

Over here it's pronounced eyy-vah

[@calencor]

have you watched Evangelion?

[@Adnan-si9wq]

I'm here after finishing the beach episode. The pain I feel is not going away easily or anytime soon after the ending. Please do another overarching plot video like this.

[@TheImperial17]

The Soundtrack of To the Moon is so GREAT!! ^^

[@DarkYoungLink666]

I only watched people play To the Moon and its two holiday episodes. I loved the story of To the Moon and I didn't expect it to get as deep as it did in the two side stories. It's so much that I don't even know what to think which is why I've been painfully waiting for the sequel to come out to finally have closure.

[@Eiweissfrosch3000]

I have an idea i talked with my friends about. In the beginning Neil crashes the car. Maybe everything that happens in to the moon and the Sigcorp minisodes is in Evas head becouse Neil died in the car Crash. And now she want to imagin the storry with an alive Neil.

[@MegaChickenfish]

I think the best guesses to take out of this are: 1) Neil is the patient we'll meet last, due to the pills. 2) Both Neil and Eva seem to have, at one point, tampered with their own memories. (Quite possibly _why_ Neil is dying; that process isn't good for you.) Aaand that's really it. Any guesses as to their motivations for tampering with their own memories are pretty futile since there's no way to tell Memory Eva/Neil from Reality Eva/Neil.

[@MerlinTWiz]

Interesting speculations. My belief is that this is all some kind of bleeding effect, which is why eva sees herself in real life (not in memory) for example. The biggest question here is: what is sigmund corp and why is the world angry at them? What if their machine is being used for nefarious reasons? What if doctors who have used the machines to do good have gone ballistic for example? And its actually some form of brainwashing tool (which is technically true anyways) Onto Neil: he knows this. He's been fighting against the effects. Hes been hacking and lying and fighting against sigcorp to find out what is actually going on. We see eva using the machine in the episodes as well. Or used on... but if its not supposed to be used on still going to be alive tomorrow people then what is actually going on? I think Neil is trying to SAVE THE WOOOORLD! Cuz he would. And if not for the world he would save it for Eva, his best (and probably only) friend.

[@ziqi92]

Just the very existence of memory rewrite technology is enough for mass protests against the company to materialize. Rewriting memories is by nature an extremely ethically dubious process. You can see in Finding Paradise that families can be potentially be torn apart through one’s choice to use the tech. There are also implications of how the technology can be abused, such as invasion of privacy for unwilling participants and brainwashing. Corporate and political espionage actors would have huge interests in utilizing this tech. Literally no piece of info is safe anymore once this tech became established. Used on a large scale, it’s great way to subjugate and control entire populations ala 1984. False memories = false info. TL;DR This tech is capable of robbing you of your sentience and you’ll never know otherwise.

[@HitTheReplayButton]

A question: have you read Eva's diary entry from the second minisode? It says something along the lines of, she feels like someone is watching/following her. Man, so many questions, pretty much no answers. I guess that's Kan's style though, maybe in case he decides to change something later on (like how he always overshoots his deadlines, so now he just never gives specific dates) so it can still make sense. Or he's just withholding as much information as possible so he can shock us when it actually is revealed, but we can still see clues tracing back (like in To The Moon itself, and in the way he's showing off Finding Paradise right now).

[@opentrailentertainment4487]

What I thought when I finished the game is that they were in Neil's memories and Neil was the one that was dying and his final wish is to help more people have their wishes fulfilled. they didn't succeed with Johnny's wish but Neil and Eva went back to make sure they did. in the next game they will make sure they fulfill that persons wish because they didn't before. I am probably wrong but that is what I thought of when I finished it.

[@seanlu5233]

How does this not have 100k views already?

[@maxtoan216]

Finding Paradise is out. Can you give your 2 cents about new info about Neil's plan?

[@watertommyz]

There's two Neils in Two to the Moon at the Shuttle blasting off scene. I thought it was a glitch originally, but something more is definitely going on here and there.

[@kimm920]

There's also a part in the game To The Moon when they are at the bridge watching the space ship take off, where there are two Neils in the scene: the one with Eva and the one somewhere in the crowd of people. I haven't seen that when I first played the game but when I watched a gamer played it I saw it. Kinda gave me goosebumps, too.

[@SwankyBox]

+Kim Mallari - I heard somewhere that the second Neil in that scene is actually a glitch and not intentional. Within RPG Maker programs, in order to achieve custom animations you have to swap out character graphics constantly to do that. Sometimes it is easier creating a separate "character" that isn't the one you control to change the graphics with. I imagine he forgot to keep the current Neil (the one you're actually controlling) to invisible for the full duration of that cutscene, and that is what we are seeing. Then again though, I could be wrong. I just know I've accidentally done that before too, so I instantly thought of that right away.

[@JorisScrolls]

When I played this game for a let's play, the second minisode freaked me out!

[@GDKsan]

finding paradise is so far away.

[@TheNJfusionguy]

Kan recently said he'll hopefully have it out by the end of this year.

[@daphneedwards484]

its supposed to be here by november

[@jonnyjoker01]

daphnayy please be right, I'm so hyped :O

[@daphneedwards484]

jonnyjoker01 I dont know for sure, but since to the mooon and a bird story were both released early september, im assuming finding paradise will too

[@curiouspotato8113]

Finding paradise in 🎉14 December 2017🎉 I saw the trail🎊🎆🎇🎉🎉

[@ehenare1]

YES!!! MY SECOND FAVORITE STORY BASED INDIE GAME!

[@blackcat4562]

Same here!

[@ehenare1]

Plushie Studios why?

[@TimotariusShow]

+ethanhenare1 don''t you get the refference he is making?

[@ehenare1]

Vo1ce I get the reference but I don't see why it's relevant.

[@jordantaylor3750]

What's your first?

[@KiwiIsABirbb]

Wait maybe they never did fulfill the wish of Johnny and Neil wishes that he did fulfill it which brings us this game where he alters his memories to make him think that he did fulfill Johnny's wish

[@nimeshghelani]

Another thing which stands out and confirms something wrong with Neil is the conversation he had with Johnny's last memory, when the duo go back to him to see if anything changed (after hitting that memory block). Neil was definitely out of character when trying to explain things to that "memory", instead of freezing him/not giving shit (which was the expected behaviour from him). A lot of the mystery relied on what that modified machine does? Seeing both Eva and Neil using the modified device, it can be concluded that only a single person is required to operate the device (unlike the older device which requires a doctor and patient). I just can't come up with a possible theory about it which stays consistent with other facts.

[@TheNJfusionguy]

On the subject with Neil being a memory, I'm surprised you didn't mention the part in the interlude where Johnny asks Neil if that's all he is. And instead of answering, Neil just considers it for half a moment, and then leaves.

[@SwankyBox]

+TheNJfusionguy - It must have slipped my mind. Thanks for bringing this up though! Honestly, I probably miss stuff all the time. Your thoughts are just as important as mine, so thanks for bringing this to my attention. Cheers!

[@laraprisma6381]

wait there!!??? HOW DOES IT HAVE TWO SPECIAL EPISODES?? WHAT'S THEIR NAMES??? I NEVER SEEN NOT A GAMEPLAY OF IT!!!

[@typical12yos76]

More confusing than Inception.

[@girlyweirdo4658]

Oh gosh I'm already getting the feels and it hasn't even been 10 seconds yet omg someone help

[@lunarsun7712]

I can't say I understood this too much, but I know that someone is dying. Which was why I was screeching "SCREW YOU" at the screen at the end of the first game.

[@wane113]

ah god, almost cried from the intro music

[@LegitPotato]

Woah Didn't expect this game to show up

[@elizabethk007]

Who's back here after the To The Moon beach episode?

[@briandiomede7354]

I do have a idea for a undertale theory. What if frisk isn't human? Think about it. Most humans have their souls last after death, but frisks heart breaks as soon as you hit 0 hp. Also, he doesn't really look too human (the former is stronger than the latter).

[@MegaChickenfish]

The weird thing is that the side-stories imply that he's not the only one who has had his memory tampered with. I don't even _know_ what to think at that point.

[@katrinakatana8030]

It was perhaps a hint at the end of the first game where you see someone behind Neil who looks like Neil which is pretty damn weird.

[@thetwilighthunter1150]

0:08 I agree with that statement whole heartedly

[@LuckyLuigi]

God I spend so much time thinking about this. Great video

[@bruschetta6302]

Another thing. If you observe the Launch in To The Moon, when Neil jumps we see another Neil at the place of other Neil. Was that a bug or a confirm to your (and mine) theory?

[@FabiolaFaby]

I think Kan Gao confirmed it wasn't intended somewhere.. I will go check ^^

[@bruschetta6302]

Fabiola Faby Thanks!

[@FabiolaFaby]

Here is the source, in the video from 5th post :) freebirdgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=5036.0

[@SwankyBox]

+L'Inserviente - I just assumed it was a mistake in RPG Maker. I used to make games in the past, and often times I would forget to turn off player graphics when I had the character move elsewhere (in this case, Neil climbing up by Eva). I immediately thought of that upon witnessing it in game.

[@bruschetta6302]

SwankyBox Well, that's a pretty lucky bug if that theory is true!

[@kuhpunkt]

"It's not them" was a response to Eva's question, if they did something wrong. Like it's their fault that Neil doesn't speak to them anymore. The "It's not them" means that it's nothing they did.

[@SwankyBox]

+kuh punkt - I debated this back and forth several times and I couldn't say one way or another what his intentions were. The way that someone would naturally answer that series of questions in a conversation would be to normally just say no before anything else, and then address the first part. I think the phrase "it's not them" is a odd way of stating things, as I think I would expect a different type of response to the question (or at least a different choice of words). I could of course just be reading into it too much. There's always the chance that Neil is calling his parents, who he cut ties with a long time ago, and wanted to wish them a happy holiday. Something I wonder about though is what happens when someone's memory is altered slightly and then they dive into a memory that references that alteration. If memories are clashing in the user's present mind, and they encounter an incomplete topic within a memory, how does this internal battle play out? In normal life it causes someone to not be able to function properly, but what happens when the damaged topic comes to play within a memory before being fully instilled in their mind?

[@kuhpunkt]

*There's always the chance that Neil is calling his parents, who he cut ties with a long time ago, and wanted to wish them a happy holiday.* That's what I would go with. Who else could it even be? And he/she called him Neil and son. I think there's no need to make things more complicated than they already are :D I guess his parents don't/didn't know about his health issues, too and maybe he tried to reconnect with them because of this. Hard to say. *Something I wonder about though is what happens when someone's memory is altered slightly and then they dive into a memory that references that alteration.* That's an interesting question. Maybe that's something that will come up with a patient in the sequels. I mean, there needs to be some kind of conflict - otherwise there's no drama and you can't bring up beta-blockers in every story. Memories are always flawed to a certain degree anyway... so visiting those flawed/altered memories could change a lot.

[@G0thGam3r]

Ouch. Thanks SwankyBox. Now my head hurts trying to figure it out. @_@;;

[@lulwhutjrvidz5084]

Everyone's just addicted to Undertale and I'm here like: "Damn, this game is well made..." (I don't hate Undertale, I love the game, it's just that the Fandom is crap.) To The Moon is my all time favourite game!

[@linad3896]

I assumed the call from his parents was the result of his replaced memories. He simply believes they're someone else when they clearly know who he is.

[@NaBeHobby]

I didn't even know there was a second holiday episode...

[@rinaldiadam]

+NaBeHobby its called Sigmund Minisode.

[@agario-cookie530]

*Static* That's one step for man... One... Giant step for... JOOOOHN CENA! Someone had to do it

[@SwankyBox]

+Agario - MƓR! Cookie - I'm glad that you did. People needed to know the truth anyways!

[@freshmaggot]

To the moon, that's a name I haven't heard since.......

[@Vick_or_somethin]

Maybe Neil has somewhat of a terminal illness he keeps under wraps and that's why he takes all of those painkillers?

[@gaylabrown4723]

Total Recall with a twist!

[@seathealchemyst]

Memory, memory has been said at least 50 times. I will never remember what this video of memory is actually saying

[@froggywam]

Could you talk about the sequel, I feel like I missed a lot of things in that game?

[@XxHikariKyaaxX]

I suppose our answers will come when the sequel comes out!

[@protol5683]

MAN, I need to play this game!

[@logan-ft5je]

I need a theory on why river cares so much about "any"

[@logan-ft5je]

Anya*

[@sergiosutti4675]

Because she said that she was going to befriend a lighthouse, meaning being able to communicate with it, with someone else. What she tells to John under the stars about the lighthouses not being able to speak to each other represents her illness and her inability to communicate. She wants to build the house near the lighthouse to trigger Johnny’s memories of their meeting and she can only achieve this trough showing Johnny the importance of the lighthouse. This is ultimately an attempt to finally escape from her illness by being able to communicate with Johnny. Sorry for the confused explaination and mostly for the bad English, which is not my first language.

[@awesomeshitandawesomegames]

To the moon is an amazing game

[@joshandkate5]

Nice Video!!

[@FizzyK-45]

Nice, i love To The Moon. Oh and can you do a video on Yume Nikki?

[@SuuBrainrot]

Wrong channel

[@juliewinchester4799]

YES! That'd be awesome!

[@cenga2411]

my opinion is, its eva memory, neil was dead, and she just want remember happy time with him, she make herself can be looked by her memory to make old eva had a dinner with neil :( RIP ENGLISH sorry :'

[@idiotghost8925]

Love this game omg

[@idiotghost8925]

+Plushie Studios wat

[@idiotghost8925]

+Plushie Studios dude I'm confused

[@L16htW4rr10r]

+Plushie Studios Are you a snake? XD But if Brotherhood, I only remember AC: Brotherhood.

[@fullerton3303]

+Plushie Studios the reptilian army is taking over o.o

[@loudestcloud]

(I saw this on my feed and was just) 😮

[@burgerhunter5332]

each of the human souls had weapons and arome like purple =ballet shoes and old dusty tutu

[@sonoxas7176]

.......Wrong game

[@YARGGG_GG]

Hmm... fun video, but it feels like you might be overcomplicating things a bit. I always assumed Neil was terminally ill, and that perhaps his experiments with the machine were the cause; that in the events of the holiday episode, the power is shut off to prevent whatever actually happened to Neil because of his experiment.

[@FabiolaFaby]

..buuut if he's really dying and this is a memory, what is the point in preventing him from doing his experiments? Even if he doesn't remember he did them, he still has in real life and thus this won't solve his problem...

[@SuuBrainrot]

I'll be taking some painkillers now, thanks.

[@crylec6534]

1:35 now i got the sitch about it ima go play it

[@milanjudak7574]

i playd the game once i never playd it again there were too many manly tears shed

[@kamillatocha]

i was hoping this game will be about moon but i guess its not

[@calvin8264]

Of course I get an ad for Beats by Dr. Dre before this video...

[@ThatGuy2013]

What? that all in my mind from the beginning tonthe end.Nice theory tho

[@blakepaulineswingler6620]

wait wait wait wait wait..... what was that a second game? when you were talking about niel i mean, you suddenly said something i think about another game? is there a second? crap i cant watch this video now XD

[@hivaidz3250]

Play at 1.25x speed its less drony. Great game though.

[@highlanderlk9867]

the answer is simple, too much coffee

[@letsreach0subscribers734]

Where to get the game?

[@mintruto575]

I played it before only the demo I and i watched it though pewdiepie's videos I cried