Our Honest Thoughts - 2023 Suzuki RM-Z 250 & RM-Z 450

[@JKrause616]

Suzuki needs to bring back their 2-Strokes. Even if it's their old model with new suspension.

[@CHNO-hs6nx]

I would absolutely buy a brand new 2006 rm250 if they were available

[@Themusicbiz]

@@CHNO-hs6nx right!! They could corner the market, affordable 2T all day

[@DM_-mq6dv]

It would bring suzuki motorcycle division back into the black

[@tjacobemxw109]

2005 RM 250 was a great bike and to this day one of my favorites

[@duffyrides]

Agreed

[@chrispowell7267]

Right now with the prices, the suzuki is a very good option for the weekend warriors. You are saving 2k to 3k in most cases, and the bike is very basic and reliable. That's what the sport needs now, make it affordable.

[@MXRiderFiftyTwo]

But thay have the weakest gearbox out of any brand of bike.

[@Vibrotronic]

They have always had the nicest gearboxes in street bikes (by many professional accounts). How would they really screw up the transmission on a single cylinder at this point?

[@chrispowell7267]

@@Vibrotronic I know back in 2010 to 2013 they had an problem with an circle clip in the transmission ( was the reason of the problem) in 3rd and 4th gear. but after you changed not problem. later I rode the 2015 and 2017 and they were nice, zero problems, I remember I love cornering and whipping with that bike, I wasn't fan of the suspicion but we send it to factory connections and they did the conversion, the bike was so precise on cornering.

[@chrispowell7267]

@@MXRiderFiftyTwo yeah 2010 to 2013, they had the problem with the transmission. I rode the next generation 2015 and 2017 and had zero problem, I remember I love how the bike cornering and how easy was to whip that bike. the only thing I wasn't fan was about the front suspension, we send it to factory connection for the conversion. after that was really good

[@dislecticgamer]

Never had a problem on my 2014 but heaps on my 03 125

[@pauldavis509]

I rode the Suzuki , and as a vet rider the bike is fantastic . The handling and predictable nature the chassis was an eye opener. The motor is good , and solid. And doesn’t upset the nature of the bike .

[@MegaStreet11]

Great bikes, easy to ride and I honestly prefer them to e-start. No battery issues and they are soooo easy to kick.

[@staticmkvi]

I really like this bike, I saw a brand new 2023 Suzuki RM-Z250 out front of a dealer and I instantly fell in love. I’m going to go purchase it today. Also comes with a free Yoshimura Exhaust System and a Throttle Syndicate RM Army Edition Graphics Kit, both of which I didn’t know about until I contacted the dealership about the bike. Everyone bashing Suzuki for not innovating every year is nothing new. Everyone was complaining when they didn’t make any changes a year after they made a lot of changes. This bike isn’t for everyone, If you’re competitive and in it for the races and competitions then ya maybe don’t get this bike right now until they innovate more. Me? I just ride around trails near my house for fun, so this is the perfect bike for me. Cars don’t innovate for almost 12 years and people still buy them new.

[@corinful]

Congratulations on your new bike .... Awesome Suzuki 💛

[@henrikrudehvid3067]

Back when the Earth was still flat I rode Suzuki RM 125's - the models from 89, 90, 91, 92 & 02. Their handling, light feel and ability to turn on a dime was epic - paired with some great engines and great reliability. They were just sooo fun to ride...😎

[@torr-michaelbennetta9785]

Great bikes. Still super competitive at the local level. When I stall mid-moto, I do wish I had an estart, but not a big deal if you're not chasing points and just out riding practice.

[@adaps]

A lot of people hate on the Suzuki for not changing and being dated but the sport needs bikes like that. Keeps the sport open to different financial situations not just a full blown money sport

[@islanddoggear]

One of the bigger Japanese manufactures should offer to buy Suzuki and market those bikes as more economy entries into the sport. If they made some small tech updates, they could grab a pretty good side of market share.

[@dougdickason]

Totally agree. They could market the brand as the "starter" bikes. Economic, basic, but competitive.

[@jackracher69]

Why buy something that isn't working, when you already have something that does?

[@dougdickason]

@@jackracher69 not saying to buy it if you are already on a ktm, but it should be an option for people starting out who aren't looking to finance for 6 years, and an option for vet type riders who don't need the absolute best of the best necessarily. Also,not sure what you mean by "not working?". Suzukis are just as dependable or maybe more so then most bikes. As far as not competitive, I think there is enough of a base bike there for beginning riders to win on as well as vets.

[@alondite215]

@@jackracher69 Is that a serious question? Companies buy and revive failing brands all the time.

[@islanddoggear]

@@jackracher69 you’re consumer-based view is inhibiting your ability to understand from a business perspective- Suzuki is still a very profitable business. They are not falling apart by any means, just their motocross bikes have fallen to be their least profitable. If they were to be acquired or even merged with another manufacturer, they can allocate resources differently to control the market. For instance, if Yamaha bought Suzuki, they could put their resources into tech updates on their motocross line, and market Suzukis as economic bikes for entry level riders while Yamaha continues its path on larger tech updates. They would control both sides of the market in that case, which no other manufacture is doing. KTM was the smartest in that regard when they acquired gas gas and husky. It’s a strategic move, and they could repair the Suzuki brand image in the process and really blow up.

[@epd1584]

Bought a 22 and knew I was gonna have to re-spring it when I walked out of the showroom. $350 and like magic it rides so good for a weekend warrior. I will not be getting rid of mine LOL!

[@antm4228]

Suzuki two strokes would be sick. And I have a 2012 rmz450 that I got with 4 hours on it in 2014. It now has well over 120hrs prolly with nothing but oil changes and a complete suspension rebuild. Couple chanin sliders and a set of chain and sprockets. I beat the shit out of it at tracks trails local races here and there and sand pits and it’s never given me and issue starts everytime time in 2 kicks. One if it’s at tdc

[@LastCall534]

Zuk's for the win! Always look like their going fast, sitting still. We can't all be pro riders.

[@tygreenwood472]

Reading most of the comments from others towards the Suzuki's reminds me just how many people complain just to hear themselves complain and would probably complain if they were to win the lottery and have to pay taxes on the money after winning but most of you complaining about their bikes bothered to watch the video anyway.

[@Jib223]

It would be cool if Suzuki implemented an e start while also keeping the Kickstarter. Would really set them apart. Tm did that with their 250 mx models.

[@RMZ2fiddy333]

I have a 22 rmz250 which is the same bike the only thing I did was change the spring rates paid like 250 and have loved the bike since idk why every one says you need to spend sooooo much money I don’t think at a local level we’re seeing much difference I had a 19 kx250 hated it

[@MichaelAMyers1957]

People love to talk shit on Suzuki, but those bikes are just fine. Get the suspension done, possibly change the exhaust, maybe new linkage ans handlebars. 99% of riders, aren't elite level and never will be. They wouldn't even use the full power of a RMZ450.

[@clintonbeevers878]

Your Right On There!@

[@aydenrich262]

Exactly

[@briantruxtonjr.6108]

250 kyb rear shock on the 450 and its perfectly fine bolts right in. If you don't mind kicking like we grew up doing 😉

[@MotoMatt418]

How much is that 250 shock in order to replace?

[@briantruxtonjr.6108]

@@MotoMatt418 I paid 7 for mine on ebay. It's like 1200 now though for some reason. I've seen people say they're paying 550 roughly off partzilla but I personally don't know that for sure.

[@garrythomson6006]

Great test guys! Riding Suzuki since 1976! Would love to have a new RMZ 250 under my Suzuki tent with my two RM 125s!

[@RARA-ri6fl]

I'm more than happy with my 2012 RMZ 450. Seems like much hasn't changed since then anyway

[@libertyfighter1]

new one feels lighter

[@RubbishFPS]

Both my old 125s were Suzuki's, a 98 and an 01 and they handled like a dream. Bring back the braaps!

[@williammarrara7490]

I had both of those exact same two years but only 250's . After being on KX's since my mini days '85 KX' 80's back then, which even then they were truly 82 or 3 cc .. multiple 125's , my last KX' was my first 250 a 95' ...$4900 out the door. Which was the biggest reason I switched to a Zook..was local dealership I had a long time working relationship simply didn't feel like they could of cared either Way... which both shops sold . Three of the big four Jap scraps.. Actually who I started dealing with as far as bike purchases had all four. .. Used to chase contingency Cash. Which was all a part of the big picture...as far as choice of brand from that point on. But, WOW IT was/is definitely a Big difference in their long time traditions of overall brand characteristics.

[@tylerc.4129]

Who's here because they wanted to see them say "changes this year!"

[@travispersonal9999]

Im checking if they added a e start

[@Skizzy7777]

@@travispersonal9999 no e start but that’s a good thing

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

Like…what’s that really big long shifter thingy lever on the right hand side of engine?

[@metalofthedeath]

That’s where you hang your white flag

[@michaelmorton6781]

rm's always turn great ,and are always talked about for that reason, but i wanna hear how good the 250 hondas or yamahas turn in comparison??

[@Chrissy-H]

The more years go by, Suzuki is becoming more different to the other OEM’s. As their bike prices spiral year on year, the RMZ offers a great alternative that if most riders were honest, is more than enough bike for almost anyone. I love my RMZ450, I’m on a 2018 model with some Ohlins and a vortex ignition and it’s honestly so comfortable to ride.

[@JAMIE_ATKINS]

I think they look great. I'd try one

[@pauldavis509]

Oh yeah “ The World Is a Happier place with Suzuki in it”

[@scottyd2262]

Are Suzuki trying to keep making the same MX bikes longer than Yamaha did with the YZ 2 strokes ?

[@jrod1076]

I bought a used 19 250 super cheap threw on a full youshi system took off the back part on the muffler that chockes it and it is absolutely amazing. Only time I complain about kickstart is when I'm tired. For the money its the best bang for your money. I prefer it over my 21 yzf250 only thing better on the yanaha is the suspension feels slightly more refined but super close

[@scottpeters705]

I have always liked the RMZ, and owned a 2007 and 2017 250. My brother has the 450. I would buy one in a heartbeat so long as I got the discount. One thing I don't get is just how hard-headed or deaf their engineers or management must be to keep making these bikes with overly-stiff fork spring rates. Everybody points this flaw out and the Suzuki people could fix this so easily by just specing out the light spring for the next production run. That alone would solve much of the negative comments in these reviews and cost them NOTHING.

[@kyleb6325]

To be honest I’d be down to buy one if it had e start. I love that you can tune the ecu on your phone

[@cvmoto5321]

No offense but e start should be a big deal if you can't kick a bike you shouldnt ride I've gotten multiple top good placements on a 15 rmz 450 just don't stale or fall over and it's good

[@kyleb6325]

@@cvmoto5321 you’re right man! But once you have it on a bike you don’t want to go back haha it’s saved me so many times and it’s just super nice

[@torr-michaelbennetta9785]

Great review, Swapmoto crew!!

[@simpletreemx]

honestly this video has made me consider a zook 4 stroke now...

[@stevenl8687]

I personally really love the feel the zooks plenty of power a vet rider why spend more money 💰

[@juliandp1768]

No changes this year haha. They should put de rmx450 cases with electric starter on it

[@dominikgeroly4087]

08,09,10 engines/suspension with new graphic and plastic=greatest bikeee

[@jemirandav]

Do you know if Suzuki has plans for a RMZ X ?

[@jimbo4203]

Does anyone know why Suzuki hasn't come out with any new bikes in years ?

[@johnnyofast5924]

yes, they suck.

[@jimbo4203]

@@johnnyofast5924 oh ya

[@MichaelAMyers1957]

The bike is good once you adjust it to fit your needs. People love to talk shit on them, but yet never even rode one before. 99% of riders, aren't the top elite riders, and never will be. The Suzuki is more than enough, they just refuse to give it a chance.

[@workhardplayhard3206]

money money......moooon...ey

[@microsoft790]

corporate mismanagement since the 2008 crisis led to this. expect them to close their doors

[@justinfee819]

Ah damn got one of those damn kick starters 😆

[@jamieargent7139]

Whole bike changed having suspension done 19 rmz 450 here Factory connections made her float like a witch on a broom

[@jd5417]

Just got a 2018 rmz450 and its savage 😂✌️

[@grecoconduris6716]

Don't bother, watching. It takes until 2mins in to find out there are no changes.

[@byronphillips6139]

I wonder if there gonna change anything next year 🤔

[@MichaelSmith-pg6gi]

I'd still buy one.

[@alan_vamos23]

bringing back Rockstar Energy Suzuki name in 2023 or 2024. 🙏

[@Davido50]

Suzuki always builds great motorcycles. Fact.

[@maxdad05]

you said ruts, where are they?

[@RUSTY-A-L]

They should at least put the wide-ratio transmission in it and a 18" rear wheel from the RMX.

[@JaredVal13]

Love my 2017 Suzuki Rmz250

[@derekbarboza9647]

Yes 2 strokes is the way to go!!!

[@drewobanion3018]

Personally would rather buy any other brand used a few years older for the same price of brand new Suzuki. They do look cool

[@libertyfighter1]

love the bike

[@chrisellerton1199]

Testing the new 2013 Suzi!

[@shredspectrum356]

why doesnt suzuki update their bikes ?

[@scottyellis3442]

Back in the day I had a 1985 RM250 2-stroke. I think they messed up by going 4-stroke. Just my opinion.

[@Owen-dw5hj]

“What a piece of old crap that would take 3k to make competitive” -KTM owner with $5000 in suspension alone.

[@aydenrich262]

that’s coming from a Ktm owner😂

[@workhardplayhard3206]

just changing the plastics up would help. and to be fair kawaski hasnt changed their look since 2016

[@bikerdude6119]

I came here for the comments

[@swapmotolive.]

😂

[@driftmax5180]

Best mx bike💥💥

[@2785mgr]

09-12 rm was great, haven't paid much attention since then

[@aydenrich262]

You haven’t missed much😂

[@bounleuanavong3476]

They need to put the e-start on it

[@tommorgan88]

1st impressions... no change

[@metalofthedeath]

Suzukis guna surprise us by discontinuing their bikes

[@scootypuffjr.]

Could Suzuki be the first of the Big 4 Japanese bike makers to hang it up?

[@wyattlarson1104]

Who ever runs Suzuki needs to go. They need to bring back the 2 strokes and up date there bikes it’s not that hard. There is more yellow fans then Suzuki thinks there is. If they brought back the 125 they would take the moto scene by surprise I’d go buy one tomorrow.

[@adamwelsh5744]

New for 2023, Suzuki changed the "2022" to "2023" on the vin sticker 😐

[@kjayclowers12]

Suzuki keeping it real for us blue collar boys that don't have Daddys money and still want to ride a nice bike!

[@listenupfools731]

Bring back the rm 125,250,and 500 two strokes,cmon suzuki,catch the hell up

[@androo357]

It’s amazing that Suzuki still hasn’t changed their bike. Are they about to sell off to someone else? They’re doing zero innovation.

[@MrSuperflydude]

Apparently they're drained for cash from a lawsuit or recall on their European cars

[@torr-michaelbennetta9785]

Suzuki is focused on other markets, like the Indonesian motorcycle & scooter market, even cars. No focus on MX for now, and even pulling out of Moto GP. Just not important to them.

[@matthewtoes6433]

No changes there was no point doing a 19 minute video on em They could be so much more

[@juanjosemunozgarcia1276]

the Best bike suzuki

[@4thgen_noah]

best bikes out there

[@scottyd2262]

😆😆😆😆

[@toddrobison8929]

Try riding anything other than yellow and you'd say different. Heaviest bike in class and still has a Kickstart.

[@TraviNomotion]

@@toddrobison8929 heaviest by what 3 pounds? don’t even pretend you can feel that

[@toddrobison8929]

@@TraviNomotion more like 8 - 10. It's got over 20 lbs on the ktm

[@TraviNomotion]

@@toddrobison8929 looked it up it says rmz250 233 pounds (wet weight) and ktm 232 pounds once again wet weight are you talking about 450s?

[@scootypuffjr.]

Where are you getting these so cheap? Msrp is $8,999. Not much cheaper than the other three Japanese MX 450's. No savings if you need to completely redo the suspension and no e-start.

[@barrettshaw98]

Me and Scrub Daddy is the only Suzuki guys left.

[@erinderind259]

suzuKING,, 😀😀👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@agalvanf]

"no changes for this year"? I mean.... like the previous years....

[@lewdog8326]

And a damb sexy dirtbike

[@thomasrenfrow609]

Wanna sell more bikes, sign a rider of RC's caliber like from Makita Suzuki's days.

[@Steve-vt1oo]

Bottom line all three of these guys can't override the bike!

[@TraviNomotion]

@Duke Bonde I don’t think they can though you’d need a really REALLy good rider to outride any modern Mx bikes

[@TraviNomotion]

@Duke Bonde modern constitutes as pretty much 2010+ in mx does it not?

[@gladegoodrich2297]

Dont know why the keep beating a dead horse?

[@rogermelling8941]

Who is gonna buy one of these ?? I've had many zooks over the years But wouldn't bother with a company that don't innovate..

[@aydenrich262]

I would buy one

[@bruno.1313]

no e-start no party

[@333studios.]

Im not sure why ktm 2 strokes can have an electric start but these still dont.

[@aydenrich262]

They know how to, the rmx has electric start they just refuse to for some reason

[@kontrollme9034]

When is suzki gonna get a fuckin estart🤦🏾‍♂️ like damn everywhere else got estart but Suzuki

[@tullyburman3217]

Came here to get a good laugh 😂

[@ogasi1798]

i forgot suzuki still made new mx bikes

[@daveyt4802]

You get what you pay for.

[@realone2321]

Let me guess the same bike

[@ryanm5361]

Suzuki is not in good shape. They just ended their MotoGP program. 2 stroke from Suzuki? YZ is king of the 2 stroke.

[@JohnAdams-mu7xd]

🤔

[@justlucky8254]

it's amazing that any amateur puts any stock in these bike reviews. the decades of reviews have proven them to be worthless.

[@mp-qz3pf]

Real men kickstart stalling the bike was part of racing I can’t understand this estart bull why do you want to add weight and it takes away from that raw feeling

[@clintonbeevers878]

Yeah, What's so hard about kick starting a Dirt Bike?? I'm 67 years I've been riding since I was 16!! Try a KX-500, It's not that hard to do!!

[@minerva2558]

Why won't they put a freakin' starter on that bike?! What are they trying to prove? It ridiculous.

[@topbamee6082]

Suzuki

[@jamest4383]

Suck ups as Suzuki gave them bikes to ride. Awful journalism.

[@mxracer158]

Suzuki? Just low hanging fruit at this point..

[@ColKurtz-pi1ku]

Heavy, few hp, bad shock, no electric starter ..... I really don't understand why Suzuki keeps doing rmz

[@weekendwarrior6285]

I actually prefer kick start... and drum brakes & rear twin shock. I'm joking, these bikes are for people with either A: no common sense. Or B: they are poor and cant afford a nice bike with all the modern features and development.

[@TraviNomotion]

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[@TraviNomotion]

There ya go

[@elasticsoldier0257]

Why you guys still wasting your time testing 12 year old bikes.

[@aydenrich262]

There’s actually some pretty big updates they’ve had since the last decade

[@tylersvensson4468]

Don’t understand why you are riding them, they are made for people who have just come out the military and wanna ride because they rode them when they were kids or the cheapest when buying new or a first time rider. These bikes are not race ready you can get a complete factory suzuki and it wouldn’t even compare to a stock Yamaha abs that’s the truth. If they managed to drop 15 pounds while adding another 5-6hp more power from bottom to top and make the over Rev unbelievable while having electric start and a balanced chassis as you need to spring it automatically when buying it then they would have a number 1 bike. They don’t even need to change the chassis just the listed things and change their audience to race ready and they will win championship no doubt. Or they can continue to make the same bike for the next 10 years or bring a new version of a 2 stroke out from 65-500 and move away from racing to bringing happiness

[@oregonskate]

Your military reference makes no sense and has no relevancy.

[@tylersvensson4468]

@@oregonskate a lot of military guys have come from a motocross back ground. You go to someone who’s just come out and who owns a bike and I bet it’s a Honda or suzuki. If you have never seen someone out the army not own a suzuki then you have been living under a rock

[@erickloucek1474]

Lol u sir have no idea

[@arptv806]

bruh u have like no idea what you are talking about😅

[@MichaelAMyers1957]

Multiple things you said, make no sense. But the fact that you just said that a factory Suzuki, is not as good as a stock yamaha, shows how re tard ed you are. You're probably a D class hero

[@bradenqw3765]

don't buy it guys, new gen releasing next year.

[@aydenrich262]

How do you know?