Swapping a Diesel for an EV: What is it really like to own an electric car?

Having replaced our diesel car with a fully electric Hyundai Ioniq 5, I wanted to talk through some of the things people warned me about before going fully electric and what it's really like in reality. Things like range, charging speeds and the inability to travel long distances.
00:00 Introduction
00:50 #1 "You're always going to be worried about range"
02:50 #2 "You're going to be spending most of your time waiting for your car to charge"
08:18 #3 "Long car journeys are impossible with electric cars"
12:44 #4 "There are so many apps it's so confusing"
16:20 Summary
Apps mentioned in this video:
Octopus Electroverse (Referral link: electroverse.octopus.energy/s...)
Zap Map
Plugshare
Bluelink
Kilowatt
Sources cited in this video:
www.hyundai.com/uk/en/models/...
ev-database.org/uk/car/1476/H...
www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandl...
ev-database.org/uk/ (sorted by range)
chargingcalculator.skoda-auto...
ev-database.org/uk/car/1476/H...
www.daftlogic.com/information...
ev-database.org/uk/car/1476/H...
www.rapidtables.com/calc/elec...
www.ofgem.gov.uk/average-gas-...
www.gov.uk/government/statist...
octopusev.com/charging
www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/ev-m...
electroverse.octopus.energy/map
www.zap-map.com/ev-guides/con...
www.gov.uk/government/publica...

[@Project-jf3bz]

Totally agree, I thought I’d be more worried about range, in reality it never comes up. I can charge at home so it’s probably twice a year that I would have to rely on the public charge network. I would never go back to an ice car now. I much prefer to drive an EV, nice and quiet, smooth and great features like pre heat on cold frosty mornings. On a side note I really like your car, probably the best looking EV on the market.

[@PenkoAngelov]

You described EVs so accurately! With all the advantages, differences and... challenges. Most people miss the point that it's just a bit different mindset that is not at all difficult to get used too. With the exorbitant amounts of misinformation at the moment, it's become tiring to explain simple facts to every ignorant person.

[@bellshooter]

ABC - always be charging. Overnight on a granny, or while shopping at Lidl/Tesco/Morrisons, when anyone asks me how long it takes to charge I usually reply '10 seconds, 5 to plug in and 5 to unplug'. Standing there whilst fuelling an ICE car takes so much longer. Electroverse app/card is useful as it just adds to my Octopus energy bill, and the map is great, but ABRP is the king for routing and charge planning. Great Video !

[@stephenauty2402]

That's a good point (as long as you can find a charger)

[@bellshooter]

@@stephenauty2402 Well the 53,000 charge points offer plenty of choice, with 10,000 Rapid chargers in the mix.

[@gfusion]

Ive never understood this "not enough chargers" thing..2 years ago sure..now, not so much..I use Tesla superchargers so even luckier but as you say with zap map "IF" I want to charge somwhere else on a nationwide excursion..usually torn between about 4-5 different locations. I can usually avoid anything I want to avoid. I do 28,000 miles a year. There are some pinch points sure, but nothing crazy. For example I drove down to the south coast for a break in Dorset this summer... Get to the beach, 5 50kWh chargers doing nothing...not a car in sight. Got an Octopus electroverse card too, low and behold they pop up on the app at a reduced price...Great ill charge up here whilst relaxing and not stop on the 240 mile back home!

[@Ian-xq4rt]

Being able to charge at home is so useful, as you mentioned, waking up to a full ‘tank’ each day is great, no more smelly diesel pumps. I can do a good 3 hours driving in my Niro EV, which is about enough time for a break anyway, so, waiting for 30 or so minutes (yes I know charge rate on the Niro is poor) after 3 hours I’m fine with, and it’s something I do every few months so really not a big deal for me. You got the apps situation spot on, it’s ridiculous and shows a complete lack of any control which is having a negative impact on potential EV buyers, I can’t believe the government are doing nothing about this. That said, all I have is the Tesla and Instavolt apps, Gridserve tends to be contactless payments so no need for the app, they’re really the only ones I need to use (rarely due to what they charge, with the exception of Tesla which can be good value at the right time of day).

[@Hello_there_obi]

Lol we all know 30 mins is fast stop pretending you shill 😂

[@thatguyjd372]

Great video, I'm in the 4th year of owning an EV, it's the old Ioniq 38kw with a 170 mile range on a good day, mostly I'm able to get where I'm going and back on one charge and in my day to day life back and forth to work I'm only charging it once a week, getting an EV and a home charger fitted is financially one of the best decisions I've ever made even with electricity prices the way they are at the moment.

[@achaz_]

ioniQ 28 and 38 are the best all around electric cars for a pretty low budget. Extremely efficient and charges quickly because of the small battery ! absolutely amazing

[@blumperjoe8920]

At the moment but how much will electricity cost when the demand goes up when everyone owns one.

[@achaz_]

@@blumperjoe8920 it will still be cheaper than gas... 2 bucks a liter... And what now...

[@randomjasmicisrandom]

You used the car I’m getting, the Enyaq 85 as the example for charging time. I’ve got a Zappi charger ready to go (long story, got it by accident when I had my solar panels fitted) and the car should arrive by April. I can’t wait. I realise that there is going to be a learning curve but videos like this mean I’m not worried. As for long journeys my wife and I usually stop for at least 30 minutes every two hours, so I’m not worried about them at all. We are planning on driving to Bielefeld and Frankfurt to visit friends and family in the EV next summer.

[@OTPulse]

As an Australian, i love when British talk about long road trips being a few hundred miles. This weekend alone had to drive 2400km (1500mile) just to take the kids back home to their mothers after school break. Driving my Corolla, I put my trip into an EV planning app, and it didn't have nearly close to the amount of time i stopped for breaks. I told it i was driving a BYD Seal LR, to see what it would want me to do if i had an EV and wanted me to stop for a total of 3.5hours over the 2 days. Sure, if i had to really gun it there and back again, it's a chunky amount of extra time, but for me, i normally have 5 or 6, 20 to 40-minute breaks at bigger towns or cities. All charging bays at the stops i made were either empty or had 1 car in them(none were broken), and a couple extra stops i made had empty working charging bays.

[@johnelegant1727]

This is an excellent, highly informative video for folks about to get their first EV. Also useful to newbie owners. While little was new to me, it was still so interesting I enjoyed staying with it to the end. WELL DONE!

[@Lewis_Standing]

It's a doddle when you have a home charger. Millions of people with a drive could save thousands of pounds a year going electric and have a much easier more convenient time using them too. Edit: great quality video, editing and general quality btw 👌👍

[@michael_bird]

Agreed, makes things super easy!

[@Supraboyes]

don't be silly lol, you wont save thousands. please explain how you came to this conclusion.

[@notverygoodguy]

@@Supraboyes For me I can see that my 120km round trip to work costs on average over 100 less doing it with an EV than it used to with a petrol car. As my energy company app chooses the cheapest hours to charge and reports the cost of the charging session I see I did the whole of August, September and October for no cost at all.

[@Supraboyes]

@@notverygoodguy how much did you pay for the Ev

[@Supraboyes]

@@notverygoodguy i just bought a 2019 3008 for 10k, diesel. it has 100k on the clock, thats miles and full service history. im trying to see that if i bought an Ev i would actually have saved money.

[@timaustin2000]

I have a 73KWh Ioniq5. I do North Yorkshire to London with some frequency - a 500 mile round trip. I charge twice in the summer (once down, once up) and three times in the winter. In this car, with its 800v system, I'm there, maybe, 20 minutes a piece, depending on temperature, and, with multiple Gridserve hubs en route now, I never have to wait. Drive in. Munch food. Drive out. It's absolutely no hassle whatsoever. I can't remember the last time I had to worry about public charging.

[@Fly_by_Wire]

MB - great video, dispelling some of the myths and concerns with owning an EV. I recommend this video for anyone thinking of getting an EV. We do an average of 120 miles away week, so only need to charge once a week (at 7.5p per KWH) using a home charger.

[@Jaw0lf]

Just a quick note re the bongs, starting the car with door open and no seat belt causes so many more noises. A great video and presentation style. EV's do have a bit of a learning curve. Charging every night, well every four or five days for me is so much easier as we now have our weekly shop delivered, it is a 45 minute round trip just to get to our "local" superstore means I save so much time not going to the petrol station. If I suddenly remember I am doing a trip and needed more range, previously, I would have had to leave the house, drive to the petrol station, stand outside for 5-10 minutes, pay a fortune and then drive home. With an EV, it is walk outside, plug in the car and go back inside. I can also use an app to tell the car to charge to 80% or 100% as needed. At the end of the day it is a car, but duelled via a generally cheaper source and not burning and fossil fuels. EV;s are also usually far more feature rich than comparable ICE cars that leave a lot of the tech as costly options.

[@hishamg]

Very informative, thank you.

[@kensmith5694]

Here in the US, there is another option for those going camping with an EV. Many campgrounds that cater to RVs provide a power outlet at many of their sites. You can use this to charge over night. The charging infrastructure in the US is just as screwed up as in the UK. A lot of people can just use the "granny cable" at home and it will be fine. If your work is about 20 miles away, you will drive about 40 miles on a typical day. This will use about 40/4=10 KWH each day. A home outlet is good for more than 1KW. Thus in 10 hours of charging, you can be ready for the next day's commute. Most cars sit in the driveway for more than 10 hours each night. Thus you will have enough for a trip to the stores etc every few days.

[@michaellippmann4474]

Great video We have been driving all electric for a couple years now. Our present EV is a 2022 Ioniq5 Ultimate, we picked it up June 29 2023 and there is 53,000 km on the clock. We traded in a Kona EV that was 10 months old and we had 48,000 km on it. Both vehicles have been amazing, not a single dealer visit for any problems, none. We also have a 2017 Nissan Leaf for around town. Again super reliable (although in all fairness Nissan is replacing the battery pack under warranty due to a degradation issue). We drive a lot, summer, winter, doesn't matter we love traveling by car. Our longest road trip so far is a 14,648km trip we did last fall to celebrate my wifes retirement, 43 days, 77 charge stops. An excellent trip and 0 issues or problems. We are totally sold on EV's and love the driving experience. Now, that being said we still own an older 4x4 Pickup truck (firewood hauler) which gets driven about 1000km a year and a 72 MGB Convertible and a 68 MGC GT. So, we drive what we like to drive, no issue with an ICE car if that's what works for you, just that EV's work best for us for our everyday driving. Oh and range anxiety?? Nope, never had an anxiuos moment! Cheers! Mike 🇨🇦

[@marchcyr1811]

Great sensible review. I''m in Canada challenges are about the same, just more intense. The UK touchless charging mandate is a great idea and I'm amazed at the numbers of chargers available. I've gone from gas to a 78Km PHEV and a 40 kwh full electric, will never go back to gas. The secret is understanding what you really need for range.

[@andyjamess]

Just found your channel. Very professional How the hell do you only have 364 subscribers?

[@brucebruce7168]

Great video, thank you for taking the time to make it. It does seem a bit funny that there are some many people who make negative comments against EV videos like yours, but they must spend most of their time on KZbin watching videos about EVs!

[@AndyInTheUK]

Yep. Spot on. I have an EV6 and I have not worried about range yet. I charge the car in my garage when it I am at home, about once a week. We haven't tried a really long car journey yet. Nothing beyond a couple of hundred miles. I expect to have to plan where to charge if we ever do go on a really long trip. Not yet used a public charger. The app information is really helpful. Thanks!

[@retrotony4119]

Me and my wife just purchased a Ioniq 5 in August this year. She drives 155 miles a day back and forth to work. On eco, from a 90% charge, she can get to work and home and still have 30% of battery left. It’s possible to go long range. If you have a short distance to travel everyday and you have a battery charger option, don’t hesitate. Side note: My wife was spending $800 a month herself on her gas powered 4 cylinder Jeep Compass, on fuel here in the States. Our home electric bill has only gone up $50 a month. You can see why electric is so alluring.

[@Dolph681]

You spend so much on fuel, not only because you travel a lot of miles but also because your cars in the States are very inefficient and the diesel passenger cars are almost non existent. How much cost your Ioniq 5 and lets say Skoda Octavia petrol/diesel, I know you don't have them there. What I'm trying to say is the saving on fuel you make you pay it when purchase the EV as they are 10-15 000 more. My diesel estate gives me 800 motorway miles per fuel tank and cost £90 to fill up, 2019 my car brand new was £18 900, no EV can beat that. Electric is alluring because of Government incentives +home charging+no maintenance. But with hi prices, no incentives, higher insurance etc. sales are going to flat out.

[@waynecartwright-js8tw]

@@Dolph681 what car ? it seems cheap. the car i bought in 2017 was £10k more new in 2022

[@harrycummings6501]

Best content from a normal EV owner I’ve seen well done!!

[@wisdomwave9605]

great video!

[@user-vi1fv4ck1g]

Well put together and very informative. This should be watched by all prospective EV owners. This was so refreshing to watch as compared to High Peak Autos where he constantly seeks to undermine and put down EV's. I think the key to EV ownership is the ability to home charge at cheap overnight rates. My cost to charge is mostly sub £20 per month compared to £120+ in my previous ICE. There is no road tax, at the moment, and the servicing costs are much cheaper. The best part of owning an EV is the ability to either warm the car up or cool it down via the manufactures App. Wonderful just wonderful.

[@notverygoodguy]

Nicely done video. Thank you. I have two EV's, one of which I have had since 2017 and maybe have some perspective that might be useful. You imply it but don't actually articulate it but the question of whether you spend most of your time waiting for your car to charge is interesting. In a typical year I spend zero time waiting for my car to charge whereas I used to go to a petrol station at least once a week to fill up. I have also done long journeys with 6000km being the longest but that is not typical for me. Even then, I rarely actually waited for the car. It is important to note that if you want your journey to be fast, you don't charge to 100% except maybe at the start if you can charge from home. Fastest charging speed is usually between 10 and 60 percent full and it is usually quicker to stop twice to keep within this range than once to charge to 100%. Charging from home is a luxury that greatly decreases any issues with owning an EV but this issue is being challenged now with NIO and their battery swap stations. If you can't charge from home just visit one of these stations and get a battery swap in under ten minutes. Not sure if there are any of these in the UK yet but they are rolling out across Europe and seem to work well. One other point worth noting is that Tesla have the charging experience pretty much wrapped up and now you can charge any make of car at most Tesla charging stations. They usually have loads of charge stations and they are rarely not working so I would suggest that the Tesla app is perhaps a useful one to own too. They charge a monthly subscription to get cheaper electricity but you only need to subscribe when you are planning a trip and unsubscribe when you are finished. I would also say that here in Norway I don't even need to plan trips any more. I just go with confidence that there will be a fast charger when I need it. The UK can get to this point too. Thanks again for your video. I enjoyed it.

[@michael_bird]

Thanks for your comment, we’re slowly getting there - charging infrastructure is slowly improving!

[@notverygoodguy]

@@michael_bird Always takes a little longer for people to change their mindset in the UK. It's part of the charm :)

[@SomeWhatSeriousOffGrid-qi3ks]

I am a total motor head. I grew up modifying muscle cars and race cars. I also turned wrenches for Ford Motor Company for 14 years. I bought a 2023 Ionic 5 and owned it for 1.5 years and 20k miles. Till I replaced it with a 2022 Ioniq 5 Limited. I will NEVER have another ICE as my daily driver again. I can not think of one single category that an EV or at least the two. I have owned was not better than an ICE. Be it value for money (even when I bought the SEL this was before the DIP so close to 52k out the door), quality of ride/performance (in it's price range), cost efficiency, attention, general maintenance, durability, or warranty. Now is so the time to buy one also (05/15/2024). Due to Tesla and a flooding of the market. They are so cheap right now. Well they are in the USA. Not sure about your side of the fence. To think you can get a fully decked out EV. In the trim class that is equal or even better than a Lincoln, Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes Benz, ect ect for about 27-38k is insane.

[@cmdrsabre]

Is it that different in the UK as in Germany or does your Ioniq not have the latest software update? I find the in car navigation is quite good since a few month at least. It can plan my whole rout including where to charge and how long and also replans if it changes due to traffic or a heavy foot. But even without that. As soon as my car tells me, the charge is getting low (tells at 20%) you can see the next few charging stations on your route and I can select the one I want and done. In cold weather it's better to plan the charge before getting to 25% as it then can warm up the battery for most efficient charging. And even the live traffic and avoidance works really good. So I agree with you (having the exact same car model 54kwh 2WD) in all other of your points. I think with the latest update you don't have to plan upfront anymore. But it can make your life easier. Stopping at places where it's nice or a restaurant is nearby you want to use, etc. But that's the same for petrol. A planned route is better but not mandatory.

[@slavric]

Very sensible video, potential EV buyers should watch it. Regarding the granny charger; it was supplied with our cars (we have two EVs) and we were charging only with them until... now. There was never the need for a faster charger in our use case. Irony is, that I'm making charger modules for a partner company and I still charge with granny chargers.

[@Mrcricketman34]

No, THIS is my favourite video on the internet. All our love, Reginald & Belinda

[@BritinSchleswig]

Enjoyed the video. How much was the insurance compared with your old diesel, also are you worried about its depreciation?

[@michael_bird]

It’s about the same, it went up this year significantly- but I think that’s across the board anyway. We lease the car, so depreciation isn’t a factor for us.

[@nigelwebb5634]

Just had a look at a Nissan electric car that was 2years old ,38k when new,for sale from a main dealer with 30k miles 14k . Oh dear! My golf does nearly 60 mpg and weighs a fraction of an ev, so tyres and suspension last far longer. I can insure my golf diesel as they rarely self combust. Ok bit of a rare event with new battery technology, but check your house insurance if you keep an ev in your garage… For me the EV evolution has a very long way to go before I sink my hard earned cash into it.

[@paulconnolly4483]

Great video. Can you share what the difference in insurance costs have been for you?

[@hectorshouse7348]

Awesome…friends popping round and sticking their car on charge…I love it

[@stuartchristie654]

A great video addressing all the pros and cons of EV ownership. I switched from a bmw 340d to a Tesla model 3 performance and wouldn’t go back. Charge at home a couple of times a week and have done a couple of long trips in it. Supercharger network makes that easy. Have octopus energy tariff and the car and charger are linked to charge at the cheapest time. So I get in every morning with 80% range and never consider range

[@RedemptiveChief]

Just wanted to add to your routing point I have had the polestar 2 for a couple months and I’d say it’s Google maps based routing/ charger journey planner is comparable to ABRP and Tesla even down to which chargers are available at your intended stop.

[@BogeyTheBear]

4:10 One kilowatt-hour is more akin to a _pint_ of gasoline rather than a gallon. So take your battery capacity and divide by 8 to get how many 'gallons' is in that battery, then take your miles per kw/h efficiency and multiply it by 8 to get miles per 'gallon'. An EV battery with 80 kw/h of usable capacity has 10 gallons. If the average efficiency of that EV is 3.6 miles per kw/h then the 'mileage' is 3.6*8= 28.8 miles per 'gallon' on that 10 gallon capacity.

[@michael_bird]

This is really helpful, thanks

[@sargfowler9603]

Interesting, but I think you need to divide by around 12 to get a better idea of range. For example, a 60kWh battery will only get you 250miles on a good day. That would be equivalent to 5 gallons, or 60/12. Oh and divide that by 20 on a winters day driving on the motorway. Basically a 3 gallon tank

[@BogeyTheBear]

@@sargfowler9603 Generally speaking, adverse conditions are reflected in reduced efficiency, not decreased capacity. A gas-powered car's tank doesn't lose gallons in the winter because the fuel freezes or the tank contracts-- its MPG may drop instead. An EV's miles per kw/h may go down in winter, thus losing those virtual MPGs.

[@sargfowler9603]

@@BogeyTheBear "An EV's miles per kw/h may go down in winter". That's putting it mildly

[@johnlodge8546]

Try again!!!! Your numbers are WAY OFF. An Imperial gallon of Petrol has the equivalent of 39 Kwh's of energy. If we are talking about diesel it is around 44 Kwh's of equivalent energy per imperial gallon. This means a pint of Petrol holds 4.8 Kwh's of energy, diesel is 5.5 Kwh's of energy per pint. This means the average EV with a 80 Kwh battery is the equivalent of 2.1 gallons of Petrol or 1.8 gallons of diesel. This means an ICE vehicle running on Diesel would need to get 127 MPG or 109 MPG on Petrol to get the same efficiency as an EV.

[@richardhall2201]

I went through the same doubts & uncertainties when trading up from my 13 year old Audi diesel to a Niro EV in November 2022. Most of my driving is around town so mileage is v low (I'm retired btw) but I have on street parking and no home charger. Fortunately there's a public charger a few hundred metres away so I charge there about once a month (cost £11-£15 depending on charge level when I plug in). Have done 3 long trips of 300 miles and more. Range on a full charge has varied between 260 and 320 miles (car's stated range is 285 miles) depending on temperature and when I've had to use public high speed chargers, I've had no problem. It's a tad more expensive (eg GridServe charge £0.79 kw/H) but charging from 30% to 100% has never cost more than £25. I won't go back to an ICE now.

[@Martinedo_]

I agree on everything and very good video. Except I don't think the in-car-navigation is bad. I have an EV6 so the same navigation as you and although i plan longer trips in ABRP because is more convenient i drive then with the in-car-nav with no problems.

[@michael_bird]

Yep, that’s exactly it. I might just be bitter because we’ve had intermittent car play issues, so I’ve HAD to rely on the in-car sat nav.

[@stephenlee5929]

Basically agree, I still have range anxiety, but I did with a deiseal. And I worry about running out of battery on my phone or not being in signal range.

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

The reason I got the Polestar 2 Long Range means I rarely have to charge away from home. Even in Winter 250 miles is possible and as much as 340 in the Summer. Also when I do I just use Ionity as its really rapid and cheap for Polestar owners. It means I don't need to bother with loads of Apps, all the Ionity chargers as well as most others are loaded in to the google maps navigation. I do have the Electroverse card for the very rare occasion when I can't use Ionity. My only issue is occasionally they can get busy and I have waited 20 minutes to get on a charger a few times

[@SteveTheTechy]

You mentioned Tesla having a good navigation system taking you to the charge stations on a long trip. Volvo and Polestar and some other brands using Google Automotive have a good system built into Google maps. I can set my destination in Google maps, and will be offered a number of charging stations on route, which I can choose from. GMaps is very good at estimating range and the charge it will have at the destination. I can select preferred networks to charge from. In a recent release there is an indication of the number of charge points free at the charge location.

[@richardblakey3345]

This is a good balanced view of owning an EV and the car he has has the sort of range people might expect buying second hand. The government needs to release the billions it promised 3 years ago to improve charging network & get charging network providers to reduce prices as soon as financially viable. As more chargers are installed I am sure there will be competition to drive prices down. High speed chargers in supermarkets could be a way as it has done with fossil fuel stations. We have a home charger, solar and batteries so in the summer will be completely independent for power supply. Even now we charge our two EVs at 2-3p/mile depending on season. The Ioniq 5 is a great car but too big for that battery. People should look out for MG4s and Kia Niros coming on line 2nd hand. Because the government are going to fine car companies if they don’t achieve 22% EVs as a proportion of all sales (£15000 per car sold) then watch amazing deals on new EVs at the end of this year.

[@TJ-mb4qs]

Nicely presented well done but better choose a dryer day next time ;) I have just driven a 589km journey on business from Chambery to Antibes (France) in my diesel car but monitored the drive with the the ABRP app to simulate driving an EV using a Hyundai Ioniq 5 car profile. This is a route I regularly drive for business. I actually find I stop every two hours or less for a leg stretch, a pee and or a coffee, also stop for a good 45mins for lunch which more than coincided with the EV app telling me to stop for a top up charge! On average I was stopping about every 160km. Each time I stopped I checked to see if EV chargers were available at the location and if they were busy/occupied. In all instances and several brief recon stops at other service stations just to see if I could, if necessary top up charge an EV and at least 6 rapid chargers were always available and only one service station on the motorway close to Cannes was a little busier with only two chargers available. So I deduced that it is for sure just as straight forward to have driven this trip of 589km in an EV with a minimum range of say 230km to have a little buffer of range available. Driving an EV in France on main motorways is very convenient……BUT it was significantly more expensive compared to my diesel car fuel consumption for the charge costs with most chargers costing 0.75cent/kW. So the cost of long trips will perhaps dissuade many people as the EV is more expensive to buy and unless you have a home charger, public charger cost is potentially cost is off putting. Our second car is a small EV which we home charge daily and in 4 years we have never used a public charger! EV can work in many but not all cases. In the mountains the consumption going up hill is off the scale but you only recoup 30% of consumption on the down hill run. So the range in winter in mountains is a killer for an EV, on average we lose 30% of range at 0-5 ºC based on 4 winters monitoring. But daily town driving we never have range anxiety and on this long journey I didn’t either really.

[@johnchristmas7522]

You were lucky to find chargers and working when you needed them. A trip between two men from John a groats to Landsend, one in a used diesel BMW and the other in a Porsche Cayman, ended up with the Cayman 4hrs behind the BMW plus it was, as you found much more expensive. Many Australians and Americans are finding the range and cost of charging(if they can be found) is very limiting and stopping them from buying EV's. Plus there is now it seems, the threat of instantaneous ignition

[@TJ-mb4qs]

Well that is because it was in the UK 🤣. France has made a bigger and better effort to provide a greater spread of chargers and as far as I could gather the majority were working just fine. UK it appears is hopeless at the moment so Tesla wins hands down for now. The range depends on the driving, as I said, I pretty much had to stop every 160-200km for nature calls and a stretch, most EVs other than Audi FAT Trons can make that range quite easily....provided of course there are chargers as you say EVs do work for many :) c@@johnchristmas7522

[@TheLegendaryLore]

I own an EV and I'll be replacing it with a petrol/gasoline powered car very soon. Sure, running costs are relatively low, and it's fine for shorter trips. But it's such a hassle when you need to drive further - especially with kids on the backseat. Also, EVs with sufficient power to pull a trailer are prohibitively expensive.

[@michael_bird]

Hopefully the technology improves, bigger batteries, etc!

[@colindawson4818]

I’ve got the ionic 5 extended range, towing a caravan was a must have. With my 77kW battery, it should be enough to get me to Kielder forest without stopping. If not, I’ve got places where charging is possible.

[@bjrntoreborge4281]

I've sold my Ioniq 5 Long Range and bought a 2019 Honda HR-V petrol and have absolutely no regrets.

[@stevezodiac491]

Dead right, i bought an EV and have learned the hard way, like you, i would never buy another one. This is very strange though, according to EV propagandists, once you have driven an EV, nobody wants to go back to a petrol or diesel car, ever ? Yeah right !

[@shaynegadsden]

​@@michael_birdreally EV's should be small cheap run around cars instead they make them too big so you end up with heavy expensives EV's with little purpose. Since the battery is the main weight consideration EV's very quickly get too a point where your increasing the battery size a lot for a little extra range so a large portion of that power is used hauling the extra weight

[@andycotton162]

We have a 1600kg caravan here in the UK and have a BMW 2.0 X-drive for this. The Caravan & Motorhome Club did some tests trying to tow with an electric car and the results were underwhelming, to say the least. So until technology advances, we will stick with the BMW. However, as a family, we bought a 2018 Nissan Zoe for a general runabout and I love it! Charging at home as needed and the smooth power output is beautiful to drive and the acceleration can be rapid as wanted. The negative for me is the range in winter is reduced quite a lot; down from 180mls in summer to 130 in winter, plus we live in a very hilly area, so only get 3.58miles per kwh. However it replaced an aging Peugeot 207 and we'll never go back to ICE for local runs.

[@michael_bird]

I’m hoping as technology improves, there will be EVs that can tow more (I’m looking forward to hiring an electric motorhome at some point!)

[@TJ-mb4qs]

At least you have made some effort to reduce your emissions, a good choice, enjoy your EV experience.

[@t4bs594]

My EV can tow 1600 kg, so is fine for our 750 ish kg Eriba. The EV9 can tow 2500kg. Things have moved on since the Caravan & Motorhome Club tests.

[@andrewhill9369]

Is that a Nissan Zoe or a Renault LEAF? 😊

[@andycotton162]

It's a Nissan Zoe@@andrewhill9369

[@twig3288]

My favourite EV YT channel is Mguy Australia

[@drxym]

My experience of switching to an EV is very positive. My new car (an MG 4) is extremely responsive, quick, virtually silent at low speeds, spacious and gets decent range. And by "decent range" I mean I can do my usual routine for a week before plugging in overnight to replenish to 80% and repeating. If I had to some long distance trip there are enough public chargers to do it. That said, I think infrastructure needs to keep up with the amount of EVs on the road but this will happen through simple market forces. So I can't see any reason I'd switch back to petrol or diesel. Range is less (for now), but in virtually every other respect the experience is vastly superior. I expect in the next few years we'll even see cars with 300-400 mile range as standard because density is going up so much.

[@johnnyforeigner11]

No planning needed with my Tesla, the car does it all for you., Including paying for it. Also don't charge to 80% unless absolutely necessary, it shortens battery life.

[@rodden1953]

People say to me "How far does it go ?" i have a Kona and when I do a long distance i get 300+ most of the time . as im retired i charge from solar most of the time . nice video .

[@denw709]

Planned a long journey & charging point i planned to use out of order. Good job i decided to go in Diesel car. Thats the only long journey i would have done in the last 6 months. Plus I only use one app

[@jimmyc38]

You’ve hit the nail on head with commuting distances, so it’s for this reason I have a PHEV and charge every night. I never have range anxiety and it’s costing me around 3p mile.

[@xraylife]

Wait till the battery goes dud, or it gets a small dent, or you try selling it, or it catches fire.

[@jimmyc38]

@@xraylife there’s a 8 year warranty on my traction battery, it’s 12.4kwh so very small and virtually in the middle of the car. So I’m not worried in the slightest. Remember there’s still an ICE, so I literally have the best of both worlds. I drive 99% EV mode atm.

[@christinerobottom9444]

Theres always one, I use to pay £115 a month in petrol I now pay 8.40 nice for 600 mls.

[@PedalPowerPanther]

​@@jimmyc38or the worst of both worlds?

[@jimmyc38]

@@PedalPowerPanther my electricity bill for Dec was £51.88 (house and car), didn’t use any petrol. In April I’ll fill with fuel for an airport run. I get from 50 plus mpg so no range anxiety. Best of both worlds.

[@LysanderLH]

I own both. Ask me why although I live in rural SW France, I never need to worry about where to buy diesel but charging relies on the decades old issues of there being a charger, it working, it providing more than 50kW unless you want to spend the night in an outdoor car park…

[@andrewpalmer7542]

I am thinking of buying that car with 77kw . I only do 30 miles a week and drive. Diesel 1.5 😢 kuga , would you recommend an ev ?

[@michael_bird]

100% if you’re only doing 30 miles a week - you may find that a smaller battery is all you need

[@ISuperTed]

Thanks for a great common sense review. I test drove an Ioniq 5 in 2021 but decided against it due to the wiper issue and the shallow taper boot (yes it says it is big in the brochure but in reality not suitable for big dogs etc.). Nice big interior though. In the end ordered an Audi Q4 which I actually never got (long story with huge delays) and we got a small EV as a second car instead. Turns out as a second car for regular shorter trips, a small EV makes a lot more sense as we home charge 99% of the time and it’s perfect and cheap for this case. If I was ever to get a family sized EV, Tesla is the only way for now - just wouldn’t trust the non-Tesla charging network for regular long trips.

[@donryan9390]

Agree with everything here. Good to point out that the 58kwh battery is the smaller range. I get 400+ out of the 72kwh ioniq5...but the 58kwh is more than you need for general driving which is your general point. Would love if you could put a video out on the other stuff people say about EVs. eg Blowing through tyres (False), Go on fire (False), Battery only lasts 8 years or 160K km (False)...

[@barriewilliams4526]

Yeah, it'll be sorted like the pothole problem🙃

[@francopasqui8662]

Agree with a lot of what you said but there is also a difference to owning a Tesla, I only have the Tesla app, I don’t plan my trips I just get in and drive and use the onboard navigation, we have driven to Eurodisney with absolutely no issue or planning, just with the onboard navigation. There is much more peace of mind with Tesla network which I believe is now open to other makes of EV. I’ve owned my Tesla for a year, I wish I had bought one years ago.

[@jameswestgate416]

Great quality video. I think if you have a home charger 1 - 3 are non issues and a Tesla then 4 is a non issue too.

[@SteveTheTechy]

Charging on a long route is not an issue in non Tesla cars. My car, a Polestar with Google Automotive will automatically route me to chargers on my route. Also indicated the number of free charging points on my route.

[@macmorgan6685]

What are you going to do when the electricity fails like it does every once and a while (a lot more in California)

[@michael_bird]

We do get power cuts (as we’re quite rural) usually the car has enough charge - but when we’ve needed to charge, we’ve just driven to the next town with rapid chargers. In the summer, we’ll charge off our solar panels.

[@martinhammett8121]

Not a problem . fuel pumps wont be working either !

[@ricco123tube]

The ioniq 5 can power your essential devices in your home during a power cut. Also, petrol pumps don't work in power cuts.

[@Supraboyes]

@@martinhammett8121 yep, but there's plenty around, and in rural areas they probably have a back up generator to power the pumps. duh.

[@Supraboyes]

@@ricco123tube bet you still get water to your house in a power cut, so my guess there could always be a back up generator to make sure pumps still work.

[@debeeriz]

my boss decided to replace our fleet with electric vans thinking it would save him money, every time a vans off the road to top up it costs him hundreds of quid in lost earnings. now he is trying to make us take our breaks during charging, but our union is having none of it

[@denisripley8699]

Good resumé - however, a microwave oven is about 50% efficient at converting input electricity to microwave energy, so your 1kW microwave oven needs 1.5kW input.

[@cornishplumber5051]

Revisit this in 5 years ..... insurance , depreciation , repairs rtc etc etc .

[@michael_bird]

Yep, time will tell - I also wonder how much the market for ICE will change as EVs improve

[@rchatte100]

I have a hybrid and EV (ioniq 5) so always take the petrol hybrid on long journeys. If I only had an EV(s) I'd 100% get a Tesla.

[@lyndonp3391]

Does the Ioniq 5 have an umbrella holder?!.

[@michael_bird]

I wish!

[@howardmarkert8150]

To the "What's the range?" question, if I lived in Europe, my answer would be "all of the EU". As an American your fast charging network is so prolific and reliable I am envious; in the US we only have 51,000 charging locations with a total of 129,000 charging points for a country that is somewhat larger than the UK.

[@ourv9603]

Whats it like? Q U I E T. I can hear again. No more clattering. No more black smoke. No more diesel stink. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I never knew life could be so good. !

[@compostthewef]

EVs are impractical in Canada! Plus the cost of a replacement battery is $60,000 in an Ionic!

[@Car-crazy]

A great video, even though I have zero intention of buying an ev. Having to plan my route and having to download lots of apps just to be able to fill my car up would really annoy me. Here in Japan owning an electric car at the moment would be a complete nightmare unless you live in or near a built up area, because there are hardly any chargers. Hardly any electric cars either, actually. I will stick with my diesel and petrol cars for now. No need to plan my route or have to wait to charge. One tank of diesel and im good for 800-900klm. I quite often do 400 plus ks in a day when out weekends. Maybe in a few years time if the cars improve....I may consider one. But not if they continue to build them with these stupid screens that is used to control everything in the car, and with bland interiors, ugly exteriors. When they build an electric car that looks like a proper car, not like now they all look the same, has physical buttons and switches for everything like my car now and can do 1000k on a single charge then I might actually consider one. But a great video non the less.

[@PedalPowerPanther]

Keep on enjoying the particulates in the air then.......yummy.

[@stevehayward1854]

It's simple, it's easier and more relaxing to drive. No problem to own, no servicing required apart from tyre pressures and screen wash

[@achaz_]

I didn't know the executive had the small battery option !

[@tonymiranda3729]

I don't blame hardworking folks who dare not touch any Kia or Hyundai

[@ianross5019]

1. Range. It’s not the regular commute that we should be thinking of. So many variables and “ifs” come into the equation. The main “if” is “can I charge when I get to where I’m going?” And the answer is still, generally, “no”. I commute approximately 50 miles each way and I have found that the easiest thing for me is to grab a bit of charge on each journey! Maybe 10 or 15 mins at a time. But it keeps me at a level where I don’t need to do regular “mega” charges. So, I add 20 - 30 minutes additionally to my commute each day. ICE doesn’t need that. 2. If your commute is avg 18 miles then are you going to pay + £50k for a car? 3. Solar panels? So,you’re home all day? Then you don’t need a car to commute! Oh, you’re not home all day? Then the solar panels are useless to you. Oh, but I’ve got a battery! Well done. You’ve spent £15 - £20 grand extra on top of your £50k plus car.

[@djtaylorutube]

You raise valid points though the solar battery will benefit the home too. Charge it at 7.5p/kWh, run the house all day instead of at 34p/kWh. Obviously everyone has to do their own figures and cost alone isn't always the deciding factor. It wasn't for us.

[@newbeginnings8566]

Good story from Canada about this vehicle.. The guy ran over something lying on the road ( he couldn't' avoid it).. He asked the dealership to check the car out... They said the underside may have have had damage, although nothing obvious was seen apart from sub-guard scratching... They advised changing the battery pack.. Cost was $68 000... More than the car cost new... Hyundai said the supposed damage was not covered by warranty so he had to claim on his insurance policy.. The car was written off.. Great outcome for some light damage and clearly EV's are excellent for the environment as this one... which used 70% more CO2 to construct, will be getting crushed...

[@michael_bird]

I wonder if this is a one-off or the case with every written off battery. I’ve not read about this story in any great detail but I wonder if there’s more to it…

[@waltermcphee3787]

You need a *charge place Scotland* RFID card for ant journey in Scotland to make it easy.

[@raystravelsaustralia6737]

What people in the UK refer to as longer journeys, we in Australia call going out for milk and bread.

[@michael_bird]

Can’t argue with that!

[@davemorris661]

Tesla experience is a different level for long journeys. 1 app for everything. Sat nav includes top up stops when you plan a journey so 15mins here, 5 mins there. No payment fuss as it’s auto charged to your account.

[@michael_bird]

Yeah, they’ve really got it

[@SteveTheTechy]

Google maps in ANDROID Automotive in Polestar and Volvo is coming on leaps and bounds with suggesting charge points on a long drive. Doesn't do the payment, but apparently will in the future in the USA on Tesls charge network.

[@dzonikg]

I have a 2 diesel cars and gas BMW convertible and i follow Tesla Bjorn for like 4-5 years and was so interesting in electric cars.But when i actually had one i find its just to much headache,not to mention that i have big Hobby caravan that electric car cant even tow.Even with out towing going to Croatia Italy,Montenegro for holiday was nightmare to plan so diesel was still 100 times better option.So that left to keep it as car for city but i steal prefer BMW convertible to drive in town so keeping was just waste off money so its gone. For me would be most sence to have EV convertible because i drive that car most in town and shorter trips but there is no such car

[@kcebliks]

Mini do an electric version of their convertible, very pricy though

[@dzonikg]

@@kcebliks There are like 100s off different EV SUVs which consume lot off electricity but there is 0 EV convertibles. And EV convertible makes most sence because convertible is always second car that you drive 90% in cities or short trips so you dont need big range ,even 40 kw battery would be enough for me and i dont need some super strong motor because i drive it for joy not for racing on stop lights

[@michael_bird]

Hopefully the technology moves on so you can find an EV that suits you

[@notverygoodguy]

Interesting, I drove from Oslo to the south of Italy and back in an EV and found it rather easy. I wonder why our experience was so different.

[@dzonikg]

@@notverygoodguy Depends what is easy for you ,i go with family ,there is almost no chargers in Italy on autostrada,you need to get off the highway, pay road tax every time to find a charger ,trip that last usually 14 hours for me with diesel last 20 hours with EV..that is 2 much 2 ask from my family

[@topgazza]

Insurance costs compared to ICE ?

[@michael_bird]

About the same for me

[@SuperBloodyskull]

Range is the sole argument against an EV because every other aspect of the daily driving experience is far superior, but then when you actually live with an EV for any length of time you quickly realise that the whole range thing isn't an issue at all for 90% of the public. For example I only have ever charged away from home twice, when I had a 100 mile journey to the airport for holidays so just a few miles from our destination I added an topped it up, about 30KW so when I got back from my Hols I didn't have to call in anywhere on the way back home. Every single person I know who now drives an EV all repeat the same thing as I do, we all won't give back to a petrol/diesel car.

[@michael_bird]

Yep, absolutely agree

[@thalesofmiletus2966]

Well that's maybe in your sphere of friends. I have an EV bought from new over two years ago. My next car will be a diesel. Incidentally my wife has family in the motor trade. Different dealers. When speaking to them they tell me the amount of EV's handed back after a few weeks or months is quite staggering. The main reason? Charging and vehicle range. Maybe that's why second hand EV's are getting cheaper. The companies only register the EV sales. Not the amount being returned.

[@SuperBloodyskull]

@@thalesofmiletus2966 do you home charge?

[@Cuzzazbuzz]

I got rid of an AMG before the warranty ran out as a new engine was over £10k if it blew. The same applies to your battery unfortunately.

[@TheSpyder699]

It's awesome 👌 to drive one 😀

[@desmondbeattie3954]

A lot more people can now charge at home. By that I mean those that live in terrace houses with only road side parking. There is now a gantry type cable systems that can be erected in the front garden that have a swing arm that can cross over pavements giving enough headroom for pedestrians. I have read no more about them but it would probably be collapsible when not in use. Not sure what the council thinks but if they take a more lenient approach the a lot more people can consider EVs. Still don’t want one though.

[@terryjimfletcher]

Videos like this are great. 1) Considering an EV - your biggest question will be - can you charge at home/do you have a drive? If you can (i.e. 60% of UK) then it is a no-brainer. Long trips (>200miles) - How many of these do you really do a year? 2) If you haven't got the possibility of home charging or nearby charging, then I'd wait. The tech will become so much better in 5 years (it's already been stratospheric in the last 5 years) Regarding "waiting to charge" I would say - how long do you spend washing clothes? Because , for +90% of the UK, it's the same sort of question - YOU don't actually wash clothes - your washing machine does - and do you really stand by your washing machine waiting for it to finish - I'd suggest "no"!! How boring would that be. You stand around filling your car with petrol or diesel because you HAVE to, not because you want to. EV owners don't do that. They plug-in and go. Most home chargers won't even start charging until after midnight. How long do I spend charging my car - wrong question, because it's not me doing the charging, my car does that ~ the correct question is - how long does it take me to ensure my car is full ? - petrol/diesel: 5-10 minutes for a 400 mile journey, - EV: 40 seconds for a 400 miles journey - 10secs plug in and un plug - and that's done twice. It's less messy. What we need to concentrate on now, as Michael says, is fill the streets with unobtrusive charging stations.

[@michael_bird]

Thank you!

[@anniecameron6794]

Don't have a charger at the house honestly it's not a problem with the iconic5 and is not expensive to be honest

[@mikeb3010]

In Canada, a guy needed a new battery pack after 2 yrs, I believe it had some light impact damage, The Iconic new there is $50.000 A new battery pack with labour is $55.000

[@mikeypc3592]

Yeah cool story mate.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

1) You need to also explain that most modern EVs have larger batteries than your 54kwh battery. In fact, all other Ioniq 5 come with a 77.4 kwh battery. 2) With a larger battery you don't need to charge everyday if you don't have a home charger. Most modern EVs have a range of over 250 miles, with many now having over 300 miles of range. And a few over 350 miles of range. And most now offer battery preconditioning to help with faster charging speeds and to mitigate range loss in winter. 3)50kw chargers are no longer considered rapid DC fast chargers. 150kw or higher are. 4) With Tesla Superchargers you only need one app, and they are opening up their network more and more to none Teslas. With their app you can see which locations are free before you get there, as well as the price per kwh. You can even see which time of the day has the cheapest charging rates for areas that offer off-peak discounts so you can plan your top-offs around that. And they're 99.98% reliable. So they ALWAYS work.

[@colinwiseman]

Most cars in the UK sit for 23 hours a day. Charging time is irrelevant if you charhe at home.

[@sargfowler9603]

Just a problem if you go on a long journey.

[@colinwiseman]

@@sargfowler9603 not really. Most long journeys people stop for 30 mins to pee and tea, you can easily top up in 30 mins on a fast charger. People every day prove long journeys in EVs are easy.

[@markmd9]

To change the battery costs more than a new car.

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

You surprised me with your first statement on the range you had from this Ionic 5. _"... anything from 125 miles to 230 miles..."_ Only 125 miles from a full charge!? I used to own a 2010 BMW 330d Coupé. Loved that car. Plenty fast enough. 6.1 secs to 60. But it's in gear torque was awesome. And I was certainly _NOT_ light footed with it. But I'd still average anywhere from low 40 mpg if I was really pushing it. I'd also be getting mid 50's on a long motorway and "A" road trips easily. The one thing that stops me getting an EV right now is... _I can't afford one on my disability pension._ But that being said, I'd worry that I'd need to suddenly go somewhere if someone in the family was ill and jumping into an EV to see I've only got 20%, I'd think, _"Oh! Crap!"._ But jumping into a DERV and seeing that I had a less than 1/4 tank of fuel... No Problem! A quick skip into town. Fuel up. Full tank in less than 10 minutes and I'd be off. And even if I had to trot down to Sussex or to Liverpool _(Or once on a dash to Carlisle late in the evening AND back to the midlands!)_ to see family, the cold weather wouldn't make me think, _"Am I going to get their on a full tank?"_ I just knew I would. EDIT Daft question. _Why didn't you film this from INSIDE your car instead of standing outside in the glorious, overcast, damp, British weather?_ 8-\\...

[@michael_bird]

For me, it’s all about just getting into the habit of plugging the car in at night - particularly in the winter so you always start the day with a ‘full tank’. Just like one does with their smartphone or smart watch. I filmed outside because I secretly love the British weather 😊

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

@@michael_bird True. But I came home at 6pm after work some 8 years ago and received a 'phone call that my mum had collapsed while on holiday in Cumbria and was now in Carlisle Hospital. With just a cuppa tea and a bag of sweets to take with me, I jumped into my car and was off up north. a 4 hour trip. Fuelled up on the way before the motorway _(Who pays motorway prices?)_ and arrived in Carlisle by 10pm. I didn't hang about. Originally, when I got there, I was told I couldn't go to the ward, but I convinced them and they let me in. I was back in bed by 3am without a single worry about range. And the M6 from north of Blackpool to Carlisle is a glorious road with hardly any traffic on. And late at night, it's even better. However. I forgot to say good video ;-))...

[@DavidJohnston58]

The apps are a real pain, especially when in more remote areas where the apps on occasions won't work. I have a wallet full of RFID cards as well as the apps for these occasions. Hopefully all be streamlined soon.

[@michael_bird]

I have found Electroverse has been a good start for ridding most of these apps but it’s still not ideal. I’m hopeful of some consolidation over the coming years.

[@Antiguan_Dart]

Here’s a thought regarding EV battery degradation. If there be concerns about real life examples of 7 year old UK Tesla model 3’s having about 10% degradation- then be comforted by the fact that with economies of scale and improved battery technology that battery packs are getting cheaper - in 10 years time as one’s warranty is expired and if one is concerned about the 10-15% battery degradation ( on a 300 miles range EV that’s a range reduction to 255 miles range ( about the same range I had in my Mazda Rx-8 ) one could expect a replacement battery pack probably more energy dense would cost significantly less than todays prices. I don’t see it as a concern. The depreciation and resale value of a new EV bought outright today well that’s an early adopters issue like my £5000 48” plasma tv bought in 1998 -wouldn’t be worth much now. If you think you are going to keep your EV a long time, want a particular trim and/or options package and colour and fortunate to be able to afford it - why not. I’m 57 years old and hoping to keep my GV60 RWD Premium 10 years minimum. I’m recommending to my younger friends to lease or buy second hand - let someone else take the hit. With first service interval for many EV being 2 years, regen braking preserving brakes and discs and with the current crop of Korean E-GMP vehicles and Tesla’s way ahead of their time leading the field for peak charge rate, charging speed, battery size, efficiency, and technology. A near 2 year old good example of a Model 3, Model Y, ionic 5, EV6 or GV60 might actually be a compelling proposition. Just a thought.

[@keithhooper6123]

Biggest cost of EV is purchase cost and depreciation if you wish to sell it.Some losing 60% of value in under three years,£30,000 new cars,selling for £10,000. My petrol car cost £3500 nine years ago,and it is still worth over £2000.Strensham services,Sunday,three chargers,in use.

[@michael_bird]

Can’t really answer this as we decided to lease ours. Presumably a new ICE car has similar depreciation?

[@Martinedo_]

EV lose value slower as an ICE. And your petrol car didnt lose £1500 in 9 years but ~3200 because of inflation. And older cars are keeping a base value they dont go to zero. Plus if you sum the amount of money you have to put in a old diesel car in repairs it gets more expensive as an old EV.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

I own a 2022 Ioniq 5 which has the low conductivity coolant; cost to replace $3,000 Canadian every 3 years. I never paid even close to that in oil changes ... ever. Did you know Hyundai can't even repair a damaged battery pack? They can't. Yet Kia can ... go figure. Time to dump this EV before I get nailed for the low conductivity coolant change. Knowing the true facts makes a huge difference. Edit: The true maintenance cost was never divulged to me by the dealership and cuts into both the regular ICE maintenance and gas savings. I was also told that b/c I had both the battery heater and heat pump that Snow Mode= Battery preconditioning; wrong. Not to mention a very crappy app I will never pay for.

[@nicholassiminson2699]

All of this is Tech is OK for the younger Generations. I’m 79 and a retired Electronics Engineer and I no longer understand any of it. The best Solution for „Fogies“ like me is to give up driving. However, the interim Solution for me is leasing a self-charging Hybrid. An EV Purchase is out of the Question (There’s no such thing as Credit for a 79 Year Old).

[@sorbetingle]

But also.....the actual driving experience behind the wheel is sooooooooo much better than 'i.c.e' car👍...p.s if its your own car and want the best possible battery life for years n years try not to charge it to 100% all the time, unless you absolutely need the maximum range, it just helps the battery stay as healthy as possible , 80% battery charge is a good figure to set the charge for.😁

[@michael_bird]

Yeah i agree actually. Loads of stuff I wanted to include, but didn’t want the video to be too long. 80% charging is sensible!

[@oojimmyflip]

fast chargers dont take cash like petrol stations and they also take a deposit from your account before they charge you for the electricity and sometimes it takes a week to return your owed deposit. this affects peoples income in a bad way, you cannot just fill up with a limeted amouint of moneys worth of fuel.

[@antoniopalmero4063]

This is normally the moment you decide to visit Scotland for the first time in your life , or how about lands end .

[@michael_bird]

Now there’s an idea…

[@user-oz4mx1di7t]

I can't charge at home or work and everyone knows it more expensive to charge at the local services

[@tomooo2637]

A minor point on using chargers on a long journey that is different from an ICE car. ICE car : stop and park, get coffee, use the loo. Get in car - drive to petrol station on site , stand there with the petrol nozzle for 5-10 mins, and pay. You see this is a serial process. EV : stop and park + plug in and pay. Get coffee, use the loo. Get back unplug, drive off. Parallel process. The end point of the perfect process is Tesla (I have a T3 and my wife has an e208), you find that normal stops for normal people is quicker and easier than for ICE cars as plugging in takes 30 seconds, and you charge while using facilities. In fact, in a Tesla you won't have time to finish your coffee. We have done a long journey in an e208, not quite as easy - and you will have plenty of time for coffee, and can be a lunch stop on a 50kW charger, but for us, that is fine as the children have left home and there is no rush. I think the end point of EV charging on a long journey will be easier than ICE cars, but for now it can be slower, but actually less hassle than stopping twice - you cannot park in the petrol station and eat lunch. Remember - for most people - that a long journey is a holiday or a visit someone - you WILL stop especially if you have children, so stopping to charge is not an issue. Every other day - you charge at home and leave in the morning with a "full" tank.

[@damianking6546]

In 25 years of driving I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have paid service station prices to fill up. Most family hatchbacks and above can get anywhere in the UK within one days drive on a single fill up. I will have a 20 minute break every 150 miles, sure, but EV owners often have a 20 minute wait just to get on a charger, before they even start charging. Not for me, thanks but no thanks.

[@michael_bird]

I’ve not had to wait 20 mins for a charger, also usually you can see if the chargers are free before you get to the charging station.

[@tomooo2637]

@@damianking6546 I have waited once, for 10 minutes, over a period of 4 years of EV ownership. Every morning I pass a petrol station at the end of my road, 50% of days there is a queue of cars waiting for fuel. I know things are different in USA with the terrible non Tesla infrastructure. Even with the relatively poor charging (outside Tesla ) in the UK - I would not consider it a problem to drive anywhere in UK in my our second car - an e-208. We have done Cambridge to the Welsh coast with no issue, and Wales has the least number of chargers of any part of the UK.

[@stevebarker3992]

Never going to anything than a work transport.. Would never use one of these for serious driving or going on a road trip… For that I would want a real car…

[@Yorkshireasaurus]

What’s a kilometre?

[@michael_bird]

0.621 miles

[@neilmarshment2910]

Hi Michael, a very pragmatic video. You discussed some of the key points but not the varied cost of public charging? I have researched the EV v ICE topic and on the balance I will remain with my ICE. I have my own business and often need to do long journeys occasionally on a spontaneous basis and need to be confident of the travel time. Personally the whole ‘plan your journey, concept is not something that I need to deal with, so 5 mins at the pump is perfect. I understand that the driving experience of EV is good but not that much better IMO. EV’s certainly seem to work well for home charging and more local journeys.