Swartzentruber AMISH: The Unknown SINISTER Side of the Strictist Settlement

[@karensiegel6669]

I knew a gal that left the Amish that had five brothers that SA'd her from 12 -16. She told her parents and they said she had to stand up for herself. One day she overheard her brothers saying they were inviting their male friends over for a Hard Cider and FUN" night. It was the last straw. Somehow she managed to makeshift a weapon from large needles being bent plus other sharp items. So when her brother was just about to @#!*&%, she got it out of her pocket and used it on his nether region with several strokes. She got punished but she always kept saying "I stood up for myself!" She left the Order when she was 16.

[@MrsLyraGyrl]

First, your friend is f*'*×ing awesome👏! Second, her parents told her to "stand up for herself," (which is an awful response to the situation, but sadly not even close to the worse I've heard from survivors.), and she stood up for herself, but still got punished? Figures😡. I hope that scared them off, at least for a while. Any system that is breeding r**e gangs needs to be reevaluated, dismantled, and rebuilt. That goes for mainstream society as well, but these super conservative groups tout themselves as being superior to everyone else. They are the chosen/righteous, but if that's the case, there wouldn't be these problems, right? Then you can't question things. When there isn't any room for questioning, there isn't any room for change.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Thanks for sharing. Glad she got to stay up for herself.

[@haleywilson520]

What a badass

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Karen, that is amazing. Tell her I’m so proud of her. Would love to talk to her

[@fairlind]

@@MrsLyraGyrl These systems even be built that way for the specific reason of at least controlling others (at best), and having easy victims at their disposal.

[@QuarterMoonRachel]

The idea of a statute of limitations on sexual assault crimes, particularly those perpetrated against a child, is frankly disgusting

[@nickywal]

It shocked me as well, as far as I know there isn't one here in Ireland. A good thing given well church history, but children are far less likely to be able to get help let alone legal

[@HotPeridot2]

If I'm not mistaken, the different states may have differing statutes of limitations and I too think it's disgusting since there should be no statute of limitations on this kind of crime.

[@lisebroder1805]

I agree with you 100% I tried to get the person that hurt me as a child prosecuted the DA's office said the statutes of limitation was up there was nothing I could do

[@suesanders1169]

To me, there should be NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON THESE CRIME(S) : as it is a M**DER OF THE SOUL/SPIRIT. 😡😡😡

[@katiempojer]

Yeah I know here in PA where I live because if situations with the Amish like this, they now have NO limitations

[@ashley-cz1sl]

At my local farmers market there is a bunch of local Amish that attend it. A father was there with his wife and kids. She had a baby crawling age she was I think about 9 months old. She was being a typical baby. So adorable she kept trying to crawl away. All of a sudden the father hauled back and smacked the baby as hard as he could. The two men on the other side of him held him down until the police arrived me and a couple of other women took the baby and would not give her back until the police arrived. They had three other young children along with the baby. They were placed with a local foster family and eventually, the parents lost all parental rights to those children. I am friends with the woman who ended up adopting them. They are the cutest kids ever. I am so glad they were able to get out of that situation.

[@PatriciaTennery]

At a family dinner, a 11 year old boy asked about the earth being round and not flat; his grandfather backhanded him so hard that he sustained a head injury. They allowed my husband and I to take the boy to the hospital. Police arrived but allowed us to take him back to the family after treatment. Supposedly, the grandfather was questioned. Who knows?

[@dariamancini963]

I'm astonished action was taken. I'm happy for those kids being protected. I wish that Police department could teach the rest of the country. I saw a couple smack a baby in a stroller and called the police in Long Beach and the couple had left by then but the police did not seem to believe child abuse was a big deal

[@beequilted55]

Thank you. I lived over 40 yrs near the oldest Amish settlement in NYS, the Troyer Amish. Uneducated people think these communities are quaint and so Christian. I know firsthand that they are not. Thank you for helping to shed light on what can, and does, take place. The Amish community is just a microcosm of our world. Stop glamorizing them and start seeing them as human communities where perpetrators are protected and support those courageous enough to come forward, speaking out about the hidden secrets.

[@nomanejane5766]

They run a lot of puppy mills too

[@AniaMcKenzie]

...I live close by Amish country, but I never buy anything, that I know is produced by them...I know, that's not much, but that's my way to say "NO" to cults and sects...

[@MachinedFace88ttv]

What a puppy mill in Amish life?

[@AniaMcKenzie]

@@nomanejane5766 They absolutely DO ! I live in "amish country", when I first moved into the region, I quickly learn amish are not, as modest, ethical, and PACIFISTS as I thought

[@letmework6254]

They also abuse their work horses and dump them at auctions to be sold for meat.

[@kristinrooney-erb501]

I grew up in Amish/Mennonite territory and I always thought about the docile “well behaved” kids and wives. People would marvel at their manners, but I was wary of what could happen behind the scenes. I’m saddened but not surprised to hear my suspicions confirmed. 😢

[@fanniebeiler8204]

I am thankful you mentioned the beatings among Amish children, Lizzie. I grew up Amish, and this does not happen only among Swartzentruber Amish. Amish toddlers have been beaten to the point where they have gone into shock and stopped crying completely from the beating. Many of the beatings do not cause physical scars, but scar spirituality, mentally, and emotionally. l pray and hope with all my heart that the Amish start becoming more exposed for this.

[@vicshrily]

Definitely, will view older Amish in a whole different perspective…grateful for this Ytube site & the brave victims for exposing the perpetrators!

[@Traci063]

That makes me sick beyond measure. I can't imagine doing that to a child, and as she says, "what happened before that, to cause such obedience". Truly horrifying. Thank you for sharing. As a person who has long been interested in the Amish lifestyle, and who has adored all things Amish, that has definitely changed. I hope that your life is good for you now!

[@fanniebeiler8204]

Thank you @Traci063! I find healing along with other former Amish by fighting to bring a voice to Amish women and children. I agree that some Amish are much harsher than others, however, I also believe that a big part of why non-Amish know so little about the Amish is because generations of beatings among the Amish has kept them in silence. It is very hard to speak against so much evil and go public with it, when expression, opinion, etc. hardly exists because of beatings. Thank you for your support!

[@Traci063]

@@fanniebeiler8204 Thank you for all that you are doing, along with other former Amish, to bring voices to those whose voices would never be heard, except for the bravery of you and others who are willing to speak of what it's really like. Most of us, including me (that is the old me) have a romantic version of the Amish in our heads...they seem very idyllic and peaceful. Having the blinds come up is very disconcerting, and it makes me realize that the children and women of the Amish (I realize not all, but many) need to be protected and heard. I wish I knew how to do that, but I thank you for those of you who do!

[@Traci063]

​@@lisalu910 Sadly true. I'm a former Independent Fundamental Baptist, and I remember a book sale, with several of us women, me included, buying the horrible, child abuse advocating book, "To Train Up a Child". I didn't know what it was about, and I was horrified to read it! I never followed their terrible advice, but I'm sure many did, along with "spare the rod, spoil the child". So sad and horrible that child abuse is not only accepted, but advocated in these sects!

[@julsjewels3185]

My mother was in the hospital and an Amish woman was in the next bed. She was visited by her husband and an older woman. T hey pulled the curtains around the best and my mother heard the older woman instruct the younger woman in bed to move over and let the husband lie with her. Then squeaking of the bed commenced. This poor woman recovering from some sort of surgery had to submit to her husbands desires. My mother was horrified!. Later when he left she could hear the woman crying. So sad!! My mother called the nurse and informed them what had happened. She did so quietly. The next time the nurses came in and out taking temps, filling water cups etc. So at least this poor woman could have a break and recover from her surgery.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

That is absolutely horrifying!!! And disgusting and wrong. Thank you for sharing this real world example

[@justkiddin84]

Omg. That is vile!

[@maryhoward4219]

Police should have been called, her doctor informed and security

[@katjagolden893]

That is so terrible! She had surgery but that wasn’t his concern. His needs were more important. When I was in the Vanderbilt burn unit for 8 days, 6yrs ago, I saw Amish people coming and going. I spoke German to one of the ladies on day. She was shocked and came to me and said in a question if I really spoke German. I spoke back in German saying Ja (yes) She told he they had a Amish man in the burn unit because he fell into a big fire pit when he went to a man’s house to by a tractor 🚜. He had been in the unit 4 months already. It was really sad so I prayed for him.

[@yolandagenerally8312]

So did the older woman stay and watch??

[@kimm.5514]

"Mercy belongs to the abused, not the abuser"...that was HUGE for me as a victim of my family and my stepdad's father. I was guilted, shunned and shamed from as far back as I can remember. I regret exposing my abusers because nothing was done, they were never held accountable and my family blames me. It's hard to realize we deserve the mercy our abusers are so freely given.

[@laurieboughfman5727]

Sending you hugs and hope for a better future.

[@Jenny-uv4dl]

Totally understand

[@Roboat65]

I'm deeply sorry this happened to you. 😢 ❤

[@jorobertson3846]

All power to YOU in your future ❤

[@BobbiGail]

We believe you and are so sorry this happened to you. I hope you are able to fet help, validation from maybe a therapist?... and find peace and joy.

[@stephienxb]

I’ve been waiting to see more coverage from our areas of Amish settlements in Ohio. I’ve been trying to advocate for safe housing and advocacy outreach to the Amish communities. The stories I hear from these folks are just heartbreaking. Thank you again for letting these voices be heard and echoed!

[@missamanda2703]

We have a community in Auther IL. Watching this makes me feel less inclined to send tourism that was

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you for watching. We are always open to referrals too. We have a form in our about section that potential guests can fill out

[@janshe3597]

⁠​⁠@@missamanda2703 Swartzentruber are the strictest group/type of Amish. It all depends on the Bishop’s in each area, rules change when Bishop’s are replaced. Some Amish have telephones (in a phone booth), have electricity, etc…You can’t judge them all based on anyone else’s story. The one thing that is common in the Amish Cult, is that the Men are in control, they make the rules and enforce them.

[@maryannebrown2385]

@@missamanda2703Do you mean Arthur, Illinois?

[@heatblair]

Hi! 👋🏻 I’m in Ohio too!

[@austinreuber4247]

As a father myself how does a father let this happen to your own children. And for the life of me I can’t comprehend how a grown man can find a child attractive.

[@rosemullen-r5w]

Yes they are so innocent. Even in the animal kingdom the children are kept in a special class and the pack contribute to their safety I just can’t imagine not to feel protective when in the presence of a small child or any animal.

[@brucelipscombe647]

Good sir, you are not SICK!

[@marialamb6781]

Well, it is called pedophilia Older 35 year old women A TEACHER can also find 12/13-year-olds attractive----- are you familiar with the story of that woman who got pregnant twice with a boy under 18 and then she spent seven years in jail and then they got married afterwards and then she died of cancer. While he was still in his 30s. And father God forgive me, but I'm kind of glad because she was, almost 60 and now he at least could marry a younger woman, his age and have a couple more children if he desires But he was trapped into the marriage willingly and said he loved her, but it was how good she made him feel, and the fact that she had two of his children, and then she was in jail because of their love for one another, and he probably felt guilty, but he married her and you know whatever ......a bunch of baloney, crap abusive sexual Abuse from an older adult to a younger child. It happens all the time even out here ----- that is exactly what sex trafficking is all about

[@marialamb6781]

Well, it is called pedophilia Older 35 year old women A TEACHER can also find 12/13-year-olds attractive----- are you familiar with the story of that woman who got pregnant twice with a boy under 18 and then she spent seven years in jail and then they got married afterwards and then she died of cancer. While he was still in his 30s. And father God forgive me, but I'm kind of glad because she was, almost 60 and now he at least could marry a younger woman, his age and have a couple more children if he desires But he was trapped into the marriage willingly and said he loved her, but it was how good she made him feel, and the fact that she had two of his children, and then she was in jail because of their love for one another, and he probably felt guilty, but he married her and you know whatever ......a bunch of baloney, crap abusive sexual Abuse from an older adult to a younger child. It happens all the time even out here ----- that is exactly what sex trafficking is all about

[@marialamb6781]

Ok...... on your first date there was actually any touching or kissing, that boy took advantage of your innocence AGAIN....... BUNDLING is a traditional practice that today is only practiced by the ultra-orthodox. In conservative communities, dating is done in secret, therefore they will enter the girl's house in darkness and spend time alone. It involves a man and woman lying in bed together, fully clothed, without touching, and talking until the early hours of the morning. It has origins in the Bible, in the Book of Ruth, and was also once a common Jewish practice. It was practiced in Europe for centuries and then brought to America. Nowadays, many of the more modern Amish communities actually condemn this rule and view it as an outdated practice In the most progressive communities, young couples sometimes head off into town together for an evening meal. They are allowed to simply hang out and get to know each other. Today, dating in the Amish community happens more openly and frequently than once

[@RobertaReal7980]

I've noticed many of the people who have escaped Amish cults had rebellious mothers that seemed to plant that seed that inspired them to eventually leave.

[@galejohnson8086]

And good for those mothers

[@nickywal]

Its true for a lot of people who leave these groups, they had more access to the outside world or parents who were willing to fight the leaders to get a bit more freedom. Otherwise it takes a lot more effort to unlearn the brainwashing from their parents as well as everyone else

[@devadii24]

Thank God she had that rebellious spirit in her… it’s sad that so many don’t 😢 and continue to suffer

[@terrell6439]

Satan is A Lie !! Thank !! You Jesus for helping the young people And older people Escape that Amish cult.

[@nickywal]

@@terrell6439Trying to force people who suffered extreme religious trauma back into what is probably extreme religion is disgusting. Jesus isn't doing anything for these people they're doing it themselves, recruiting probably vulnerable people makes you a predator in his name

[@tweetscotchy1093]

What an infuriating story! This poor woman was born into an extremely misogynistic world where men are able to easily manipulate the women and children. I’m so angry for her! She is a true survivor.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Thank you very much.

[@timnewman1172]

@lizziehershberger2291 Thank you for your bravery and openess! Not all Amish are abusers, but the Amish have created a culture of abuse with little to no consequences... God bless you for breaking the silence and exposing this "dirty little secret"!!!

[@teijaflink2226]

Almost all these extremist religious cults seem to be about the same thing and that is controlling and abusing women and children. Women are manipulated to behave or get punished so it becomes easier for men to control and abuse them sexually without the women even understanding that it's actually abuse.

[@debbyfazfphotography]

What an amazing story of grace and hope! Thank God for his hand of protection in your life! Best to you and your future! ❤

[@justkiddin84]

Sadly, in reality, this is the way most women in the world live.

[@jaykay3839]

This woman has such a beautiful heart. Thank you for giving her another platform and Thank you Lizzie for fighting for others. ❤

[@lizziehershberger2291]

❤

[@LarzGustafsson]

People who attack christian groups ALWAYS get a platform.

[@nursemarie4819]

@@LarzGustafssonChristian groups ?? As a Christian, I can tell you, this comes straight from the pit of Hell !

[@vanessam3195]

This was heartbreaking! I'm so happy that Lizzie is doing the hard work of advocating for the vulnerable population within these communities. What a beautiful spirit, not bitter, but demanding better!

[@Jojo-tf2zp]

The lack of sexual information, the contradictory dating practices and the "games" seem like the purpose is to get them used to having their boundaries broken. Its conditioning and explains why its so so hard to leave!

[@kimm.5514]

Great point!!! It's a misogynistic and predatory community.

[@devadii24]

💯

[@teijaflink2226]

Totally to me that seems to be the major point with cults like this, to be able to fully control the women, their life and sexually (so abuse becomes normilises and the women can't say no), they are so brainwashed that they don't even realise how wrong it is, that they should be able to create and freely live their own life.

[@maryshanley329]

Please. Anyone who lives on a farm with animals already knows all about the birds and the bees. It is the city kids who learned much later. ( 1920s and before.)

[@terrell6439]

Right!!

[@njsmkmmsthatsit3518]

So sorry for what happened to you and so many other Amish females. I am so incredibly glad that you chose to make a difference in thsse innocent kids lives. It's obviously so hard to go through this trama over and over again but as you know you are helping people. So glad you are helping these people.

[@jonipitcher7185]

"Staying silent is not bringing you healing" WOW. This is why they say you can leave the church but you can't leave it alone. Very powerful!

[@lizziehershberger2291]

❤ Keep quite and forgive is no longer an option.

[@sungeigerong1]

Thank you, Lizzie. I am in awe of your strength, and your love and generosity in your determination to help others who have suffered abuse.❤

[@alisonkayalexander]

When she said someone asked "why do you think these things keep happening to you?" I felt that in my soul. I've been asked the exact same question and couldn't answer, because how do you explain your family cult? it's unreal, unbeleivable, there's no way to explain it so that it makes any sense. i think my response in the moment was "idk" then changed the subject.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️

[@Lulis56]

I am sending Libby a virtual hug and my tears join with hers. Professionally (social worker) I have always worked in child abuse/neglect prevention agencies and this is one of the most horrific interviews I have seen. I am a recovering Catholic and hate organized religion as it reinforces the patriarchy and sets women and children up for abuse.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

@Lulis56 thanks you.

[@k_j_n1242]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@minniemoe4797]

No matter what part of the world: Afghanistan ( Taliban) or Ireland (Magdalene laundries), the result is always the same. The victims suffer tremendously, while the perpetrators roam freely.

[@scarletsletter4466]

I’m a clinician & worked in a large city where the surrounding rural area has one of the largest Amish populations. We sometimes helped women who had gotten away, but I was amazed how many of them returned to the community. We don’t really use the term Stockholm syndrome in a clinical context, but conceptually it definitely exists.

[@alexandrawhitelock6195]

Likely they lacked skills of how to live outside their community

[@cathyschlang8042]

⁠@@alexandrawhitelock6195ugh

[@rivertam1000]

its the same for any repressive community. Vulnerable people arent given the skills to survive outside the community and shunning means they would lose all support if they leave. The same happened to my husbands cousin, not Amish but a similarly misogynistic attitude. She was in an arranged marriage to a guy who didn't want to be married to her (he was in love with an 'unsuitable' girl). He used substances, kept in touch with the 'unsuitable' girl, was abusive etc. The cousin can't go anywhere because there are no jobs for women, she would lose her child and her reputation.....its heartbreaking.

[@thinkinoutloud.1]

Lizzie is a hero. I pray she will help many more kids who need to tell thier story and get away from abuses in these communities.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Aww, thank you so much.

[@TheFearsomeCrabcat]

Lizzie isn't just a survivor, she's a warrior! I hope she continues to help people since she seems like such an incredible woman and guardian angel for so many ❤

[@unicornjennie]

Inspirational

[@TheFearsomeCrabcat]

@@unicornjennie are you adding on or correcting me? 😊

[@unicornjennie]

@@TheFearsomeCrabcat adding on if course

[@TheFearsomeCrabcat]

@@unicornjennie Im so sorry it's hard to tell these days lol

[@unicornjennie]

@@TheFearsomeCrabcat it's all good

[@indoorsyren3955]

The victim impact statement had me in tears. What an amazing and strong woman.

[@starlingswallow]

I am _floored_ at all the truth bubbling up to the surface from everywhere, all at once. It is _so_ sad but also I'm celebrating~ not because of the horrors these people have lived through, but because the more and more people who speak out, the MORE that will be brought to light! So much horror has been kept secret and silent for a long time.... Too long. It's about time all these cults are being exposed. This MUST stop. Shalise, thank you for all your hard work. And a huge thank you to all the survivors who are speaking out!!! You are ALL *so brave!!!!* I just want to hug all of you! ❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you for your support!!❤️

[@starlingswallow]

@@CultstoConsciousness Always!!💕

[@terrell6439]

Thank you Jesus that Lots of women Are Exposing this .more people Are being Aware Even Christian people can pray about this .

[@bettyechristain9711]

Truth??? Whose truth?

[@eliyoder491]

Thank you very much for interviewing Lizzie. She has a powerful testimony of survival and she is no longer a victim but she is a powerful strong survivor. I had the pleasure of interviewing her before on Facebook and KZbin back in 2019.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thanks Eli! Yes, she’s incredible and I’m so happy we connected.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Thank you Eli

[@KiKiQuiQuiKiKi]

Yes, Eli, that was also a wonderful interview and witness.

[@Cookie-kk9dc]

So many of us have lived through abuse. Some families are cults in themselves. I'm in my 50s & I still struggle with what's appropriate on how to treat me. I want to read her book. Thank you for this story.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️

[@Anna-vl2ni]

That’s what I’ve been thinking this whole time. My mother managed to make a religious cult in her own household. There are so many similar things I experienced.

[@Maruzzela-l1u]

Yes..if you dunno you dunno. Worse even,we r taught the wrong thing which is harder to eradicate ,then relearn.

[@Maruzzela-l1u]

I heard about that kissing game ,wo elders watching though and I thought it was more than kissing . I couldn't believe this custom exists in such a rigid religious sect

[@bobbiejofouts1708]

@@Maruzzela-l1u I suspect the rigidity is a contributor to the problem.

[@lindatannock]

What an incredibly strong woman! She's amazing. I'm so glad she got away, and she's advocating for all the victims out there. I'm also so sorry she went through all that as a child. No child should ever have to endure what she did 💔💗🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@terrell6439]

I know All that!! Trauma!; she went threw .it is Really!! Sad!! My prayers Goes out to her.only Jesus can heal her mentally physically and Emotionally. if she follow and obey him.😢

[@EstherLTurner]

Lizzie, I was a roller coaster of emotions while listening to your story. I wanted to hold and protect teenage you from your abusers, your potential abusers and from all those who should have protected and defended you, but instead chose silence, rejection and outright solidarity with the rapist. I wanted to cheer and applaud adult you when you found your own inner strength and chose to stand up for all the children who have not yet found a voice and those who may never be free. The world needs people like you - may God bless your life.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️ beautifully spoken

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Esther, thanks for your kind words.

[@graceyoung3771]

I have a concern to a point she brought up about girls being taking advantage of by their male employers, how can these children's fathers/parents send their beautiful daughters off to be knowingly violated?

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Great question

[@melissaw6446]

Sadly, even those fathers are often guilty of doing the same thing, and the mother's have no say so.

[@janshe3597]

@@melissaw6446 Especially within the Swartzentruber, the strictest sect of Amish.

[@Rye_Toast]

They probably feel it's their "right," it's been going on for generations and they just turn a blind eye. If they get caught they just confess and then go right back to their usual lives. Unlike women who are tarnished forever by it.

[@randibgood]

​@@melissaw6446 Just further proof to me that ALL religions were invented by men to maintain control over women and children through fear and intimidation. Sexual abuse of (mostly) women and children is rampant in all organized religions and happens under the guise of punishment or retribution or it being the will of the imaginary sky daddy. It's always been there and will always be there and people within will always help cover it up.

[@Will0wFire]

Any person, particularly men, who come along and say the oppression of women isn't or never really had been an issue throughout he ages, needs to hear Lizzie's story. Just because her story is an extreme case in a secluded group of society, there are stories like this all over the world, with varying degrees of oppression and abuse, and every woman has a story of some kind. Jordan Peterson, I'm looking at you!

[@barbaralael5092]

What a level headed woman! 😮

[@Will0wFire]

@barbaralael5092 Hi! I'm not sure how your response is intended, but I'll choose to take it as a compliment. 😊

[@moirasoma2863]

If anyone says oppression of women really hasnt been an issue through the ages, you shouldnt even bother talking to them. They either knowlingly lie to push an agenda, like JP, or they do not live in actual reality. Not worth your time.

[@martinmummert5614]

These horrible sexual abuse stories make me ashamed to be male. I can't believe so many of my fellow men are committing these evil deeds.

[@Will0wFire]

@@martinmummert5614 Please don't feel ashamed; many men are lovely and most of us women know that you're not the enemy. What I would like from men is just some awareness, an acknowledgement that just because they're not bad guys, some others are. We're all stuck on the same little ball of rock in the universe, and if we can work together as a team, instead of treating the other group as a threat, we'd all be much better off. 💚

[@karenkennedy6331]

Everyone on your channel are amazing people! Just the fact they are willing to go against what they grew up with and beliefs, and try to move away from abuse! It takes a lot of strength, strong will , determination

[@terrell6439]

She had the strong wil from Jesus and his Angels to Go Against that Satan and his demon filled cult to Expose them.

[@PurelyCoincidental]

Lizzie, I'm so grateful that you were able to get out and are helping others now. I grew up near-ish Amish and Mennonite communities, and the romanticization was very strong. I really appreciate having the opportunity to learn more about what life is really like in their communities. Shelise, I also want to thank you specifically for the "pock" sound effect you use when you post images. I often listen to your videos while cleaning, and the sound lets me know to come back and look at the video.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I’m glad to hear it helps! That’s why we do it. 😁 sometimes if we do a bunch in a row I won’t keep doing the sound effect, so just know that’s a possibility too.

[@sonyafox3271]

I lived near a Amish and Mennonite Community and, I can’t say that they romanticized it, in Pleasant, IN! It was a very small Amish Community , I hadn’t lived there all that long but, I done knew some people living in the area through my religion, it was more less focused the odd things that they did. Someone pointed out to me that they were the outcast Amish, I don’t know how true that was! I was a young mother at the time and with my son having Autism, his Med Wavier was approved a year after we moved there and, so, we had people coming and going to help with therapies and such. Well, this young Amish girl came to our house to offer her services, she wanted to make money for her family, I said no, thank you, I have all the hep, I need! And, yet she came again a few wks later, I said, I done told you, no thank you, I done have the help, I need! Yet, she then, came again in another 3 wks, I was trying to be as polite as, I could but, I was getting frustrated at this point, she wouldn’t take no for a answer, I guess her family thought if she kept coming back, I’d give in and, would allow her to come in my home to help me, she came one more time, yes in 3 wks again, at that point, I just didn’t answer the door, she continued to knock for awhile, but, I wanted to put a end to it and,I thought that would be! Still she kept continuing to come and, I just wouldn’t answer when, she knocked but, I was not going to contend with it no more!

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Oh, wow.

[@jennita1234]

Meanwhile flowers would attract pollinators to help their gardens grow 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@karinland8533]

It doesn’t have to make sense because it is about control

[@jenrock8186]

So true

[@lindachampion4171]

Lizzie, you are a woman of tremendous strength! I a! in awe of the courage it must take for you to stand up against such long standing and ingrained systemic abuse. May God bless and protect you as you continue to defend His innocent little children.

[@kellyreilly-robinson2130]

Courage is contagious!!!! Thank you for your advocacy both of you women♥️♥️

[@excelsior1455]

Shelise, thanks to you and especially to Lizzie for the eye opening interview. I realize the strength it took for Lizzie to discuss her life and appreciate her openness and candor. I was only going to listen to the opening portion and listened to the entire interview. Liz you're an excellent speaker on the subject. Thank you both.

[@judymcallister3649]

Birds of a feather flock together. The amount of men from my families past who were abusive is staggering. Generations of abuse. I'm not Amish....but I know how this shit plays out!! Thank you for being so brave. We must speak out! 💕

[@williampopper59]

Another wonderful and inspiring interview! So special the way Lizzie has found great meaning and purpose by giving to others out if her own devastating experience, and that she does it with such humility and simplicity!

[@bradley244ify]

I would like to hear something about healthy sexual development and how people can learn about sexuality snd dominance and submission in a healthy way which does not scar them and limit their potential. This is not just a problem for Amish people. It is a pervasive problem in human societies. I am not sure I have met someone who talked about a good coming of age. Sex and development appears to be rife with shame and trickery. Does one succeed in life by mastering the trickery or is there indeed a better way?

[@williampopper59]

Interesting! I would like to hear about healthy spirituality, especially Christian spirituality, including an approach to sexuality that is both healthy and holy.

[@sherrilrendon8330]

I was raised Mormon and did not realize we were in a cult. It took me half my life to even suspect it. Thank you for this wonderful clarity. It helps me understand where I have been and what a distorted reality I have lived through. God bless you.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️

[@Jenny-uv4dl]

I'm 3rd generation SDA and very questioning which got me in alot of trouble as a child there is a alot of SA in the church I realized I was in cult very early I compared the "behavior" of leaders of SDA to leaders of other cults and I found them very similar i pointed it I have no contact with bio family the shuning is real

[@latitude1904]

@@Jenny-uv4dl I didn't realize the Seventh Day Adventists were that closed of a group that SA is prevalent, or that shunning is part of that culture. TY for sharing

[@Xaforn]

I grew up UPCI and same, I questioned a lot but didn’t realize it was very much a cult like environment til I was an adult.

[@tennillepatterson5500]

What a beautiful woman. Thank you for having her on.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

We agree!

[@adrienekausner9701]

1:25:13 listening to these interviews with escaped Amish has definitely enlightened me on many of the things I had been exposed to during my marriage and when dealing with my ex-in laws. I live in southwestern Michigan and we have MANY Amish here. I definitely agree that the expert, when it comes to court or whatever should be an ex-Amish. Because you can’t actually know if you didn’t live it. I don’t care how many books you read or how many people you have talked to. An Englisher is never going to have the full scoop. You’re doing good work, Shelise. Keep it up. 💙

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you! I agree, representation matters when it comes to abuse cases like this. Nuance matters❤️

[@terrell6439]

God !! Bless !! you !! Shelise 🙏🙏

[@iamahorsenut7541]

All these Church cults promote male misogyny and male headship. This is just a breeding ground for abuse to women. Unfortunately it's a problem in many Churches. Even the early Church fathers spoke of women as inferior beings. And yet the way jesus Christ treated women was almost revolutionary for its time.

[@rebeccalott8625]

What an incredibly strong, articulate, and BRAVE woman!! I’m so humbled by your strength, and determination to try and rid the world of such a broken system.

[@Valiant.Unicorn]

Lizzy❤ Thank you for finding the strength to share, support, and be advocating for other survivors.

[@TheoRae8289]

I'm from TN and there was an amish community near my dad that i saw in the store on occasion. All the wome and girls' clothes were held together with straight pins. I had wondered about that for years. I am so glad to learn the context of why a community did that. They allowed a decent number of solid colors. I saw purples and a little girl wearing a really pretty dark pink.

[@LoveToHearUSing]

Lizzie's statement in front of the court was very powerful, probably better than the average lawyer's could have been. I salute you, Lizzie! The world needs people like you. Sending you much love

[@chayagoldstein6461]

U 6❤😊l😊p pl😊ll0p❤l l0ll0ll0lpplllppl❤😊😊❤l😊

[@lizk9pez]

Please keep us posted when Lizzie’s documentary comes out!

[@oliviagraham9798]

Absolutely horrible! Thank you for giving these survivors a platform!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️🙏

[@Recoveringred]

The flowers rule floored me. What about the Flowers the vegetables make? 😮

[@cl5470]

Those are okay because produce can make money. It's all about money at It's core.

[@graceyoung3771]

My Mom didn't like flowers either but would plant some to encourage bees to pollinate the plants.

[@JNoMooreNumbers]

Flowers attract pollinators so needed.

[@patlong8449]

My immediate reaction was "all flowers or just those that are not productive", since if you live in a grow to eat environment, and in the past more so than today, that would have been the case, flowers would have wasted productive land

[@karahershey]

It takes away part of the fun of growing a garden

[@GoldenMom815]

I’ve had her book in my kindle library for ages! Thanks for the reminder and the intriguing interview.

[@kylady124]

My mother's Amish parents came to the States in the late 1800's early 1900's. My mother was born in September of 1916. I was born 1954, I was her last born. Unfortunately, I know very little about my mother's, or aunt's and uncle's childhoods. It wasn't ever spoken of in our home. I was born late in my mother's life, she was 39. In the family photo album as a child, I saw pictures of her mother and her grandmother, they were wearing head coverings. I also saw a picture of her mother and father, who was in a military uniform, whith the children all around. My mother and father were Baptist for many years, before my older brother and myself were born. As I got older, I realized that my mother was different than other kids mothers. Even in the 50s and 60s most women were not gardening, they were not canning all the families canned vegetables and fruits that were needed. ....They were not making their own jams and jellies, or baking their own breads, cookies and cakes, making candies. And they certainly weren't making dishes that no one else ever heard of... basically being called the best cook anybody ever knew. I remember asking about the pictures that I saw in the family album. Mom explained only that her family were German Amish. Over the years I would ask questions about what that meant. She would say she didn't remember too much, or that that was the past and it didn't matter. There was a time when she told me that when her father came back from war, he had a metal plate in his head, and he was very different than when he left. She said that as time went on the the girls had to be sent away because things got bad. Her brothers were much older then she, so they stayed with their mother (who wasn't in the best of health)...and their father. My mother was the youngest of the family and was sent up to Detroit to live with her mother's mom. I don't know how old she was when she came to Detroit. Her grandmother had an established maternity home here, I have a picture of her standing on the porch of that house, and a picture of the sign in front. I also have one of grandmother's business cards. Pregnant mothers would come and stay at the end of their pregnancy, birth the baby, and then leave after recovery. (I'm wondering just NOW if these mothers were Amish unwed mothers!!! Annie Pieffier had been a midwife in the Amish community, before she left. I know that Amish teenagers are often sent away before they begin to show, and only come back after the baby is born!!!) As I got older I would ask more questions about Mom's homelife when she was young. She usually changed the subject but I got little snitches of information here and there. She had lived in Minnesota, then they moved to Pennsylvania, where she was living when she was sent to Detroit. I was always fascinated by my Amish heritage, especially when she would come up with some German words and phrases every now and then. I remember one time asking her why she would never talk about her childhood, or tell me about her family. She said what's the use of speaking of it, there's nothing that can be done about it, and the past is the past. At that point I was old enough to realize that some horrific things must have happened to her and sisters, and the memories was just too painful for her to speak about. She often spoke of the love she had for my Uncle Johnny and Uncle Jim, whom I also thought the world of. She explain that she was the baby of the family (her nickname was Dolly), and they had always protected her. She did talk about her life with her grandmother and how much that she loved her, enjoyed helping her birth the babies and taking care of the mothers. My mother seemed to know a lot about medical things, I think she caught the bug from my great- grandmother...because she always was reading medical books! After my mother died, I was speaking with my mother's sister Pearl on the phone. I asked her why my mom would never speak about their childhood. Pearl was very surprised that she refused to tell me... She confirmed my worst fears... that all the girls were being sexually and physically abused, so they were sent away to live with relatives. She said that it was especially hard on my mom because she's so loved her brother Johnny and Jim. I thank you so much for this nterview. It explains a lot of things for me. I knew that certain Amish groups were more strict. And I'm aware that sexual abuse occurs among in Amish families, but that's a reality everywhere; sin and lust... are everywhere. Many families live dark lives in their silence and shame. I'll be 70 this year. The puzzle of my mother's life is clearer now. I lived in Kentucky for over 20 years. There were Amish families all around me. I found the young and young families to be very friendly and loving. The older people were guarded, but never impolite, and even pulled me out of a ditch one wintry day! Some of the Amish started reading the Englisher Bible, as a result moved away from the rules and regulations of the Amish life, and joined non-denominational, or Baptist Churches. I was blessed beyond measure to have them in my life. It was as though I was able to finally connect to a part of my family I never knew. You have done the same... and the TRUTH ALWAYS sets one free! 💖🙌🏼💖

[@SteMegManzaroli]

Thank you for sharing your story, sometimes we need to know our ancestors history to make progress in our personal healing journey !

[@Sarajwatters-ey4xq]

Hi my dear. Been away sick and haven't gotten to listen to your stories. God Bless you and the WONDERFUL LADY you had with you for this one. I am so VERY GLAD she is doing something to not only help herself, But helps others as well. Oh my goodness, God be with her!

[@StardustLady4716]

Thank you, Lizzy, for all you do for the Amish children now and future generations. You are so brave and courageous.

[@susan304]

Thank you for this honesty. I use to totally believe the Amish were pure people and wanted to be a part of their community

[@katebriggs9301]

What a strong, intelligent and beautiful lady! I can not find words to describe how her impact statement moved me! I have to read her book! Her story will help those children who don’t have a voice! Not just Amish children but all the abused children! Thank you both for sharing! Sending tons of love, support and respect from the Pacific Northwest 🌲❤️🌲

[@lisarimbo8696]

Lizzie, I do know you, but I’m so proud of how courageous you are. Thank you for being so honest about your life and for the continued advocacy for Amish victims. My heart truly aches for the Amish children and women who are treated so badly.

[@karenkennedy6331]

Going back to the Amish is like going back to an abusive relationship, or drugs. It’s takes someone leaving an an abusive relationship, or addiction , at least 5 tries, , It’s not easy. And support in doing it is important. I will read your book.😢😢😢

[@timnewman1172]

​@therealz360z7 it's communties that create the atmosphere where these monsters thrive! There are other sects like the Beachy Amish that are less strict, but they all are a patriarchial culture where women are subservient to the men!

[@Xaforn]

@therealz360z7not all are but the numbers are astronomically higher in these closed off communities. Mary went over some of the data and research she was a part of. Even in groups like holiness that I grew up in they are too easily breeding grounds for narcissists and abusers.

[@shaneamundson1192]

Our overall American culture is also a place where those monsters thrive!

[@kristyreynoldsapaintersdau9016]

I’m always so amazed at you’re guests and the strength they have.

[@moescanlon3809]

Thank you C2C for bringing another very impact filled guest . Lizzie is special and her story is so meaningful to me. Even though I wasn't raised Amish (raised Catholic) her experiences in regards to SA at a young age were similar to mine. She is not alone in this system of patriarchal driven , shame filled society's . Education bottom line is key to stop the cycle of abuse. Thank you again for providing such a wonderful speaker. ❤

[@joyceb8174]

Lizzie, your story is amazing to hear. It is so sadding to learn of all the different types of "Christian religions/cults" that have constant abuse of any sort. Love to you in your future endeavors.

[@HotPeridot2]

Thank you Lizzie for sharing your story. I'm so grateful for those like you who are coming forward, even if it's years later, to tell the stories and to go to courts making impact statements, etc., as it's beyond time for this kind of abuse to be exposed, the perpetrators punished, and to stop this. I'm so glad to see so many who have been in these closed religious communities coming forward and exposing things.

[@nickywal]

I'm still stuck on 45 days for SA of a child, the legal system fails these people so so much

[@lizziehershberger2291]

The system is broken and needs to be fixed. ✅

[@Xaforn]

The leniency you see is unbelievable, it was jaw dropping watching the Sins of the Amish.

[@lizzieb19450]

These men will continue to SA these children and young women until judges get on board and start giving major sentences. Lizzie u are amazing and I Love ur name! Ur such a warrior! What can we do to support U and ur work with these survivors and their cases…..please let us know where to Donate….u just answered my questions! Thanks so much for all u do! U are a wonderful warrior woman!!! I am amazed at ur courage strength and help in making huge changes for Children in the Amish. Wishing u all the happiness u deserve ❤❤❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️❤️❤️

[@sweetlorikeet]

Snitz is a descendant of an ancient practice often called Bundling - it dates back to pre-Celtic times in Europe. The big differences are that there was normally a sack or a board involved - the man would be tied in a sack from the waist down, or there would be a big wooden board in between them, and most importantly the couples was usually betrothed! The idea was to see if they could share a bed compatably because if they were getting married, they'd need to be able to do that. How it ended up as a -first date- practice with all the rolling around added in is certainly a mystery, especially with the other cultural attitudes towards physical touch that the Amish have.

[@conniemaniaci3612]

This was so powerful and enlightening. This woman is so incredibly strong. Bless her and thank you for bringing this to all of us. ❤

[@Eiri553]

Lizzie it has been my honour to meet such a strong woman, who not only survived the atrocities of her youth but grew into someone who now advocates to help those who are unable to help themselves. People like you are such a positive role model for anyone not only those in these cults & willbe able to find a exit from their lives to a hopeful brighter one waiting in the wings. Thankyou also for mentioning that young boys are also vunerable in these communities.

[@kristinam2719]

Dear Lizzy - thank you so much for having the courage to share your story. I had never considered that the Amish way of life could be considered a cult before. I am so glad to hear that you are leading a happy and meaningful life now, advocating and giving voice to the voiceless. God bless people like you!

[@blue-dragon31652]

This sounds like my life back in the 50s. My dad always wanted to break my spirit, like a horse. This was a middle class family. I was abused when I was so little that I had to crawl in a chair, it was a man from church. I remember telling my mom he was bothering me. She just said to stay away from him. The abuse happened later with 2 uncles. And even some cousins. I did act out in my teens. I had my son at 17. But I was told I was a bad girl and if I told my parents that would they would know I was a bad girl and my dad would beat me.

[@anitazimmerman8412]

What a woman! I'm so proud of her. Thank you for all the advocacy you're doing, Lizzie! ❤

[@eileenstehr7680]

Thankyou Lizzie for you coming forward!! GOD BLESS YOU VERY MUCH! I was raised MENNONITE, and very Strict! A lot of this sounds familiar with some of the ways the Amish ways!

[@gailcardo8996]

Thank you for having Lizzie on this episode! She is so inspiring and doing such important work. Having been a victims' advocate (different population of victims) so much of what she said resonated with me and left me missing that work anew. Be well and keep doing what you do. It helps people and I know that is your wish and goal.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Gail, thank you. ❤

[@flufwix]

Such courage escaping from that abusive situation. So glad for you! This demonstrates yet another religion where men exert control to gain power, access to sex and money. That level of control and power seems very worldly to me. It’s interesting that “The Land of the Free” allows so many religions and cults to deprive people of their liberty and free will.

[@janishuey3639]

Bravo, Lizzie! It’s very powerful when victims become victors! Thanks to what you and other advocates are doing, this cycle WILL end! Thank you also, Shelise for your sweet and calming style. That has to make it easier for your guests to tell their stories.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

I love that statement from victims to victors!

[@Beginnerreadsthebible]

Lizzie I loved hearing your story ❤ I'm so sorry for the wrongs that happened to you, you didn't deserve that, nobody does. I hope you can continue to heal, and find love ❤

[@lisaannette62]

May God bless and heal you completely. Thank you for coming forward, for writing your book, for helping others. You may never know this side of heaven how many will be helped by you.

[@gremsd]

I read your book and was so appalled at how you were treated. Thank you so much for bringing this out into the open. I know there are very kind and good hearted Amish people, but so much goes on behind the scenes. Thank you again.

[@kimberlybowyer4266]

The men must be held accountable. There are way too many offenses against women hapoening. I hear of them every day. It makes me so mad.I am so proud of you ladies. Stay strong.

[@alexandrawhitelock6195]

Yes…think about what is going on in the US now…right wing 'christian nationalists'…banning books…all of the 'conservative' movement in this country…vote 💙💙💙💙💙

[@DapperMrAlex]

Lizzie is absolutely amazing and strong and I'm so glad she found her way out and is able to help others. My mom was a woman's advocate and it is such vital work and I'm glad Lizzie is able to be that for Amish victims.

[@BluetheRaccoon]

You could only make choices based on the options and information you had in front of you. That things "kept falling apart" was not something you had much, if any, control over. This is something I'm learning in my own recovery journey, and I hope is something you are able to process and internalize in your own recovery journey.

[@janetdorsey5619]

God Bless this Beautiful Strong Lady! What an amazing testimony and how She is being used now to help and bless others!♥️

[@joelbowyer]

Lizzie.. you are a modern day Wonder Woman!!! Just as Shelise said, the energy in that courtroom when you made that statement.. I can only imagine! I hope that everyone gets the opportunity to have that kind of support coming forward. It is a process, but remember that you play a key role in the future for everyone you support, and even far beyond that. These groups will have end someday. Maybe far in the future, but you have aided in so many ways to the progress. THANK YOU!! Love and support as always!🖤

[@OctoberOctopusM]

Thank you very much for providing an insight in a form of life I'll never experience. So many people seem to romantizise thevAmish because they percieve the life style to be easier in comparidon to the hectic modern way of life. How wrong they are.

[@elsiezimmerman4304]

What a beautiful woman who has gone through horrendous circumstances but has come out on top….God bless you in your work!!!!

[@potentialitee]

What an incredibly brave and resilient soul. Thank you for coming forward and sharing your experiences.

[@lionairvine870]

They are so cruel to their animals also….puppy mills….abuse their horses all their lives and then when they are no longer fit sell them for slaughter….such soulless people

[@jamespattenden605]

It is just what those that breed animals do and those that race animals do, so do not say that they are soulless.

[@BlazingSadles]

THEY ARE SOULESS. SAYING IT LOUD. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

[@Auroraeevee-m1q]

​@@jamespattenden605 Responsibly breeding dogs is not the same as running a puppy mill. There are many animal breeders who treat their animals well. The horse industry is not perfect by any means, but there are several owners/breeders/trainers who provide their horses with very good care and don't abuse them.

[@kayemallory117]

Lizzie and Shelise, thank you for bringing this difficult story to light.

[@lizziehershberger2291]

❤ thank you

[@stephaniewildes]

Thank you both so much. This channel is amazing. I've listened to so many episodes. I loved hearing you two women, both so beautiful inside and out, in another incredible episode of heroic people speaking out and advocating for the victims.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thanks so much, Stephanie! ❤️

[@followyourdreams6050]

Rest and reflection is doing something for yourself. That's self care. Trying different things like driving, spending time with the dogs, taking a walk are also you using skills to feed your soul. You filling yourself up instead of looking for someone else to make you feel good

[@graced5823]

Your victom statement 😢. Thank you for standing up for future generations and children with no voice. So sorry for what happened to you. Hugs.

[@ShedHappens]

Great interview.. I read her book, I couldn't seem to put it down once I got started, it's very interesting, sad and yet encouraging knowing what she is doing now.. Josh

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Josh, thanks. We live watching your youtube videos to. Thanks for all you do.

[@michelejohnson234]

This was an incredible interview!!! Wow!!! What an amazing woman!!! I grew up not far from Lancaster PA~ which has a huge Amish community. I now live in Texas ~ I never knew there was such a huge difference in communities. I have friends that grew up in Lancaster and one thing I know is that a lot of the young people would sneak out and party and drink with the local non Amish kids. And that some even had cars that their community had no idea about and they would hide them on friends properties etc. Thank You Lizzie ~ I'm sorry for your abuse. I pray for healing for you and all the victims!! Thank you for your powerful work!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️

[@Geee1louise]

Lizzy please know you're not alone. So many young Amish ladies that go through this. I live very close to the Amish community. We always would go there to buy fruit and vegetables. We no longer go there, after watching these horror stories. Thank You for being so strong to tell us about how it really is behind closed doors. I'm so sorry you had to endure this torture. xoxo Sending you Love and Prayers ❤❤

[@susanmance9436]

This raucous noise made by the Amish outside the newly wed couple's window reminds me of something that happens in the musical "Oklahoma." They called it a "Shivaree" and I thought it was an odd custom.

[@maureenpetitto1024]

I thought a Shivaree was when they “kidnapped” the bride. I will research this.

[@donnahopper6029]

That was THE MOST heart wrenching 1 hour and 23 minutes I've ever watched! Lizzie is smart, strong and a loving soul. Thank you for the insight into the Amish community.

[@carolinepetersen1452]

Thanks for sharing your story! Appreciate your courage in breaking the cycle of buse and educating the victims. Knowledge is powerful! Best wishes from northern Illinois.

[@robertapascal6962]

I can’t imagine getting your first period and not having any clue to what is going on. Thank god I knew exactly what was happening that August day in 1988.

[@Xaforn]

Same, my mom thought she was dying, her mother is from the “silent” generation.

[@alexandrawhitelock6195]

I was never informed either…74…affluent family in NYC…it was never spoken about.

[@cjspeck4152]

My parents bought me this box when I was 8 or something. Said it was for later. It was a kit for your first period. My "talk" was Mom making me read "the illustrated encyclopedia of sex". I knew what a period was, and I'd seen my mother use feminine stuff for yrs...but it was supposed to happen around 12, I got mine in before I was 10. Been climbing trees and thought I'd hurt myself.

[@rruthlessly]

The Samaritans was founded by a vicar who had taken the funeral of a 14 year old who got her period and thought it was an STD and committed suicide.

[@MustAvoidScurvy]

Amazing video, as always! I now have added Liz' book to my reading list. I'm so happy that Liz is well, happy to help other people in need. Go, Liz!! We support you ❤

[@michele1491]

I just recently realized that my home state has legislation in place allowing the Amish to remove children from public schooling after grade 8. While I understand each faith has different guidelines they follow for any number of reasons, I think it is imperative to give our children the best chance of success which includes as much education as possible.

[@kadenkohl782]

They don’t need it, most people don’t.

[@shaneamundson1192]

Parents have rights. There is no collective right to raise others' children.Read the Constitution.

[@denjack2542]

I lived in a city surounded by Amish. My friend was around 18 years old and i was in my 30's. She came to my house one day and asked if she could stay with me. She explained to me that her dad was after her to have sex with him. I told her she could definitely stay with me. She did. Her parents found out that she was with me and came to my house. They demanded that she go back home with them. I told them absolutely not. She wasnt going anywhere with them. She stayed with me for a while and then left to go live with her relatives far away. She did not return home as she feared having to have sex with her dad. This is a true happening as I was a part of that firsthand. Some people think the Amish are some wholesome bunch of people. I can attest that some of them are diabolical. Some steal as one took my truck without me knowing. Drove to town to get coffee for him and his buddy. The guy ended up sliding off the road because it was icy and ended up in a farmer's field. He would have gotten away with it except he couldnt get my truck out of the snow in the field. Needless to say i was irate. I also know from my own experience that the women are strictly under the orders of the men. Women are lower in class and are not to voice their opinions in public or speak out for what they believe in against any man and never against their husband even though it is not right. As far as their "religion", that's another ideal in itself. Their "church" consists of one man speaking or reading a German Bible. The people attending cannot understand what is being said because it is in high German. My friend told me this. I told her there are Bibles that are in English and you can actually read and understand what is being said. I gave her one. She was so happy to learn the truth in what The Bible actually said. I believe and told her at that time that by reading and speaking in high German, that prevents the people from learning the real truth/s. The bishops are then able to make the rules of his people according to his own thoughts and beliefs because very few could dispute the truth. They all believ the bishop is speaking directly from the Bible. Its not true. They make up things that are not in God's Word. They twist it to keep the people contained in their group. Thats how they maintain their "society".

[@emilieholtmeier2409]

They speak high German

[@apriljoy1094]

@@emilieholtmeier2409. No they speak Pennsylvania Dutch /german. High German is different.

[@electra424]

Thank you Lizzie for sharing your story. You are speaking for the children still trapped in these cycles of abuse and your words WILL make a differnce and help finally break this vicious cycle. Thank you, thank you, thank you Lizzie ❤❤❤

[@lizziehershberger2291]

Thank you kindly. ❤