Players Count and No Drop Chance Explained - Diablo 2 Resurrected

[@the8thark]

Parting with others - higher chance monsters drop items, but lower chance you actually get the good items. This is why some people prefer to farm in different areas to others, so the loot bots and others do not snipe the good items. Also 7/1 and 8/1 at 14.29% is obviously better than 1/64% but if your kill speed is enough, it's the much of a difference.

[@mattf0509]

Problem could be solved if they would enable the difficulty slider for online games even if they only did it for private games

[@DaegdaGames]

If they reduced the first NODROP bracket from 62% to 52% I feel like that would be perfectly fair and a good balance. Leave everything else the same.

[@bobnewkirk7003]

1 player farming an area 62% no drop. 100 mobs farmed, 48 items dropped = 38 items per player. 100% monster HP = standard difficulty 2 players grouped farming an area 39% no drop. 100 mobs farmed, 61 items dropped = 30 items per player. 150% HP = ~75% difficulty 3 players farming an area 24% no drop, 100 mobs farmed, 66 items dropped = 22 items per player. 200% HP = ~66% difficulty 5 players farming an area, 9% no drop. 100 mobs farmed, 91 items dropped = 18 items per player. 300% HP = ~60% difficulty and it gets worse from there... Beyond the old man reflex/pickit argument, playing full games is less loot per mob per player grouped. This is offset by kill speed (50% more hp per player per mob in the difficulty calc above), however the number of mobs that spawn in an area is static and transit/loading/grouping time is lost value. IMO the best strategy for MF online is to do split MF and have each player farm a different area to see that 38% (P3), 24% (P5), or 14% (P7) no drop with the full value going to the farming player.

[@vechrogazwow]

I agree on the split mf part but if you look at you calculations, you will see that if you play with just one person in the same area it is best for most situations(you will need at least 3 players for slit mf). p1 37.5 items per player (not 48) p2 61.22/2=31.61 items per player From here if you factor 1.25 clear speed the equation is: p1 37.5 items per player for the same time p2 ~39.51 items per player for the same time And yeah if you factor "old man reflex/pickit argument" p8 is the best :)

[@bobnewkirk7003]

@@vechrogazwow thank you for checking the numbers, I've edited the post with the correct value for P1. P2 is pretty compelling if you have someone you can rely on, but for most public games, which is what I am assuming this video is trying to encourage, I don't know reliable the average player is. and full transparency, when I said "old man reflexes" I was saying that I've gotten slow in my old age. I hardly see stuff that drops let alone manage to pick up anything in public games, which has turned me into a crotchety old hermit for D2R. :D

[@JohnSmith-ly2qp]

Same area should be changed to same zone not 2-3 screens from each other. How many times do people in random games split every which way?

[@jacob127w9]

Problem with the players in area part is thats also players takin a bite out of the loot gained.

[@Holyhairyareola]

Also my gold for accidental death.

[@brosephbroheim6428]

@@Holyhairyareola I've had accidents bad enough you would think it was intentional. Ripped my hc after arrogantly giving a spicy but reasonably manageable tp. I said if you can't survive then you don't deserve to live.

[@smiter1945]

@@Holyhairyareola keep your gold in your shared stash. You lose nothing when you die.

[@jdavidblais]

Damn i freakin hate multiplayer

[@joeeveryman6615]

This "free for all" loot system will kill this game sooner or later

[@Abber64]

I play Ladders by myself and I had some AMAZING drops farming solo in terror zones. Some of these items include Griffons eye, Deaths fathom, Deaths web, Arreat's Face, Arachnids Web, Perfect Gheeds, Perfect Travelers boots, and the list just goes on and on. The Runes I found went all the way up to a JAH Rune, including two OHM's several ISTS, and so on. I farm solo just fine :).

[@TheFryon]

Now the question is, does "same area" mean within 1-2 screens of each other or just in the same zone period

[@Amputechted]

My guess would be that an area is when a map title updates. In other words, as long as you're the cold plains on one end and 7 other people on the other it still counts as an area. Also, this is the location you would see when opening the players party page (P).

[@wackaflacka548]

First. One player speedhorking Trav is the best MF strat for drops vs time. Change my mind.

[@darkpaladin18]

if you dont get slapped by the 1000 hydras and 10000 blizzards

[@nolan8859]

@@darkpaladin18 ubad

[@jeffsaffron5647]

No argument there, but it only goes up to TC78, unless Trav is terrorized.

[@c.b.8193]

200 fcr chaos speeds with seal pop

[@bobnewkirk7003]

Everything is relative. If you are looking at straight "forum gold per hour" trav is best because the council has the highest rune drop rate in the game and runes have consistently high value; assuming your not a wet noodle. If you are targeting TC78 uniques, look no further than Meph on P3. if you want TC87 uniques go pitzerk till your eyes bleed. Personally i am a fan of CS seal pops because its a good balance of TC87 uniques (on the boss packs), TC78 Superunique farm (seal bosses), TC84 boss run, and Rune farm from all the trash that gets seal popped. I'm down to about 1 minute per loop and its very lucrative.

[@vvin4746]

I appreciate you using my OP, but I just copied and pasted it from Reddit, sources included in the OP. Good stuff! Funny seeing my name in your video!

[@oozefang9120]

i saw the diablo 2 map, their world map of sanctuary, cabo de gata looks like it could be lut gholein, which rimes with spain. then kurast could possibly be memphis egypt. the 4th act might be a massive underground cave under travincal that leads to the chaos sanctuary, maybe the nile river is full of dna from moloch, again.

[@RinostarGames]

I know this is an old video but... the more important discussion is how RNG works because there's no such thing as "random" in a video game. I know for certain things, it's difficult if not impossible to manipulate RNG, but there are other instances, like weapon/armor racks or super chests, where it's not. I'm not sure if all the ins and outs of RNG have been uncovered yet, but there's definitely a discussion to be had about it.

[@joeeveryman6615]

I only group up in order to get to lvl 75 and start farming solo. As long as D2R has no loot system like D3 or something similar there's no point to farm in groups: People in D2R have no shame to grab class specifics they can't use and I'm *SO* tired of that. Especially if it's a super low value item that would help my char, but nobody would buy online. Give us /player commands on ladder! Make it a season theme and watch how many people will enjoy it. I'm sure it will be A LOT!

[@LEETLOOT]

Love the original Diablo score in the background of the video. Keep up the great work Phil!

[@mikestein7771]

I had great results last ladder but subpar results this ladder by following my sorceress with a horker barb. Last ladder I had many high runes drop or horked, this ladder I've had 1 um horked up and 1 Mal from forge nothing else so far. Thank goodness my horker doubles as my bo barb because I'd hate to be cubing my way to an Ohm for a cta with my recent luck. Rng gonna rng I suppose.

[@kakariko1992]

same man. i've been farming all day but still no high rune drop. so unlucky this season

[@John-ev3rm]

I was looking for the command to set player number, all the other settings seems like extra stupid stuff.

[@frankenstein3163]

Any one know what the range is for part/area drop ? Ie the yards away you can be to other's ?

[@justalonesoul5825]

2 screens away max

[@freedomfighter8883]

Good video dude, p1 super unique farming with fast games is most efficient imo for sets and uniques. For runes definitely trav horking or an arcane sanctuary light sorc

[@doctormarazanvose4373]

light sorc in the sanctuary is fun, fast and hard to get yourself killed - and all those hate keys in no time :D

[@rileyeades1871]

Doesn’t need to be a light sorc any more. Sunders made sure of that.

[@doctormarazanvose4373]

@@rileyeades1871 not in non-ladder it don't

[@tehf00n]

I play solo online ladder. My drops are fucking weak.

[@flammenwaffenfries3039]

D2 grind can be horrific

[@bobnewkirk7003]

If your playing solo you need to elite farm; ignore the trash for the most part and just pop boss packs, superuniques and bosses. Player count doesn't impact the first 2's drop rate, so just stack up MF and pray that your RNG pays... eventually...

[@tehf00n]

@@bobnewkirk7003 it still sucks. PLayed this game for 20 years. Still dozens of things I never drop that I need.

[@FerintoshFarmsPhotography]

Alright, I watched a smart water ad for you rather than Insta skipping it.

[@RancidMeat1155]

Ladder season 1 and earlier, mobs snapshot player count in on spawn. Spawning p8 then leaving on 7 worked. Season 2 they reversed it.. semi-rip to my desktop running 7 games while I played on laptop

[@VolcomBD91]

3 People in game / 1 People per zone is my sweet spot since i've been playing . Fast clear , not the best loot chance , but overall best experience this way !

[@horaiyo]

Didn't realize that it was actually worth farming together with just one friend. Good to know.

[@zaug1561]

I always thought the same thing, that farming with 1 extra friend didn't do anything. We stand corrected.

[@krasimirkolev7887]

Any1 knows how those calculations actually look like for Nintendo switch? For it the max player count is 4, rather than 8.

[@legs_11.82]

Ah makes sense why hell cows in a full game partied it's impossible to see items, but when I run it offline in players 8 it's semi possible to see all the items 😅

[@MapHKid]

super uniques like shenk/pindle actually drop 2 items. odd it wasn't mentioned.

[@truefootball_esp]

And where is the table of nodrop bosses?

[@nuke1upgames]

has anyone today been having issues with Bnet getting disconnected or games interrupted? I been playing on the normal server the US and its been awful today.

[@Heigberg]

Nice video Phil o/ helping pll out. Just one thing, superuniques always drop 2 itens.

[@zaug1561]

My question is the definition of same area? Is that just the same zone or do you have to be within a certain proximity of each other?

[@gragra3430]

up to 2 screen apart ~ or as long you see real time of position update on minimap

[@nalimbukerabo4993]

If 7 players wait in a corner of the area and the 8th player farm, lets in Chaos sanctuary it will count 8/8 or all the players will need to be in range ?

[@verycreativename2110]

I was wondering the same thing

[@bobjackson3442]

So is it pointless to join games with 5+ people or should i just solo farm since I'm solo farming anyway in those games?

[@Evolved-Tradez]

are you saying that player count has no effect on Monsters like Andy, duriel, Meph, Diablo, and Baal, and all champs and uniques? The only ones it effects are the white mobs?

[@maccawacca69]

Yes exactly. The only reason to mf with groups is for increased mob count in cows or chaos.

[@Evolved-Tradez]

@@maccawacca69 have to edit this so missinfo doesnt get spread. Watching Lama Video and he says player count does in-fact effect ACT bosses. so its only ungues and champs that have no effect from increased players. With that said, just better having more players for most everything unless you are just farming stuff like pinde, or shenk or eld. at least thats my understanding of it now

[@askowalc]

Phil you must be reading my mind because this morning I was just thinking about how this works and not 5 minutes later your video drops on this topic. Get out of my head! XD

[@aska221]

playing FOH paladin with 300-400mf and I got 2shako (one eth), reaper's toll, and a JAH rune within the SAME HOUR. All on p1 offline absolutely crazy luck, I've never had any higher than sur drop before

[@iqorasdreamweaver6430]

it would be kinda cool if they had a game modifier so let’s say after 25 minutes, monsters respawn. this would make disorganized / spontaneous players8 games better.

[@iqorasdreamweaver6430]

just got my toon to a point where i’ll be grinding nightmare stuff for loots. i noticed, while leveling, there would be like idk up to 10 or more games of 1 person doing the same thing. all created within a 20 minute window. i always look for a game that’s doing what i’m doing before i make my own. so i also think diablo players suffer from social isolation. like they wanna be social so they make a game but won’t join others. i understand that, as the world does kinda suck and peoples bully really come out in some places, especially places they think they’re safe doing that type of thing. and the thing with kids, is they really feel safe when they don’t know all the data moving in these electrical devices can track every piece of shit thing they say, do, and lol.

[@iqorasdreamweaver6430]

s/o all the players with one of gods many names. who go around and run people through the game so they can get experience (non game talk) and some loots (any game progress). terror zones be boppin for us who sometimes just need to go at the pace our legs naturally move at. hehe

[@iqorasdreamweaver6430]

runefind would be a fun new affix. works only on more rare runes though. as low and some mid runes drop like my sisters ass.

[@iqorasdreamweaver6430]

aka for everyone.

[@iqorasdreamweaver6430]

my friend said socketed charms and i was sold. diablo 2 alchemy could expand by a exponential amount and what’s keeping it all from happening is fear.

[@scottguimond2268]

Phil, I believe you’re wrong on part of this. If you spawn a monster on players 3, then all the other players leave, you still get players 3 drops. Otherwise, everybody would be taking advantage of this in the other direction. Spawning Baal on players one, then swapping to players 7 right before he dies. It is however true for the countess. She’s the only monster in the game where it doesn’t matter what you spawn her at, as long as you kill her on p1, you’re gonna get her p1 rune drops

[@verycreativename2110]

How do you know this?

[@alexplorevents]

dude got sources and youre trying to create your own game.

[@johnt836]

3:10 - super unqiues drop four potions and TWO items, not one item.

[@vvin4746]

Updated the OP ;)

[@Houdokennnnnn]

Solid video as usual, keep SLAYIN' bro!

[@mrWolfgangGrimmer]

so, if I got it right, there's no difference on farming specifically Mephisto or Andy, for example, on p1 or p7? Since it only affects nodrop chance and not the quantity/quality of drop?

[@justalonesoul5825]

Well no that's not right. Act bosses can drop up to 6 items, but you dont always get 6. If you get less, then it means there was a No-drop on some of the rolls. Those no drop odds will be lower in P3->P7.

[@otrotland5377]

does this work with online games too?

[@ryu-ken]

The players command doesn't work online. You would need real people in your game to get the benefits

[@christophervanderhoof4138]

So if your playing offline, best chance is player 8?

[@brianrulsbasball1234]

I'm wondering the same thing. Single player offline seems to be shafted by the way it calculates players in area. It will always be 1

[@ryu-ken]

Player 8 best for exp. Better drops are the odds. 3 5 7. Uniques drop the same no matter whatv

[@jeff9495]

what does the same area mean? should be more specific

[@bobnewkirk7003]

It will be the same as the XP radius, so it checks about a screen and a half in every direction. distance is pretty hard to measure in game, but its about as far as you can see town portals on your minimap, maybe slightly smaller.

[@jaredbork2586]

Like within 2-3 screen distance apart from eachother in D2R

[@Revenger373]

You are doing the math wrong. You should see the drop chance, not the no drop chance. It goes like this 1 28% 2 62% 3 76% 4 86% 5 91% 6 96% 7 97% 8 98 % From 1 to 2 it increases 110% Then, from 4 to 8 it only increases 15%

[@dimitarangelkovski9877]

Got 2 occu and titans yesterday ans found my first maras.. 22 roll tho

[@jaredbork2586]

Yeah it's faster AND you get all the loot, I don't like sharing with the shark eyed psychos this season, especially if they're going to be duping ontop of their cancer forum trading.

[@toilagamer]

The problem I have with no drop rate is the disproportionate decrease from p1 to p3 compared to p3 to p7. I think it should be linearly scaled.

[@youngjust3073]

Does it matter on console? I can't seem to find anything and I'm lvl 80 this season. I can't do anything in hell.

[@Mike-om4tv]

Level 80 doesn't really require too much XP/playing to achieve so I would assume you just haven't had enough time in hell difficulty to roll the dice enough times so to speak.

[@maccawacca69]

The biggest thing is you need to get minimum 200%mf. Then it is all about running a certain boss or area over and over fast and efficiently.

[@oriecameron]

Wouldn’t it be nice if this information was just provided in the game itself?

[@1FatBubbatm]

Thanks for going over it. It clears up some things that I didn't know.

[@Uncle19]

We really need a players slider on bnet... Just tick solo self found game that Noone can join and up players

[@bodom6540]

Either you Ssf, play alone in a full game, play with real friends or play with Pickit users.

[@kajusilva9379]

trash is so not worth the time to kill it devs should change trash base drop rate from p1 to p3

[@flammenwaffenfries3039]

Pd2 made the base drops p5

[@boxcar87]

Lets make this a bit easier to read... (chance compared to other tiers) [drops split evenly by players] P1- 38 items / 100 enemies (BASE) P3- 62 items / 100 enemies (63% increase in drops over P1) [ -19% chance if 2/2 compared to P1] P5- 76 items / 100 enemies (100% increase > P1, 22% > P3) [ -33% chance if 3/3 compared to P1] P7- 86 items / 100 enemies (126% increase > P1, 38% > P3, 13% > P5) [ -44% chance if 4/4 compared to P1] P5+- 91 items / 100 enemies (139% increase > P1, 46% > P3, 19% > P5, 5% > P7) [ -52% chance compared to P1] P6+- 96 items / 100 enemies (152% increase > P1, 54% > P3, 26% > P5, 11% > P7, 5% > P5+) [ -58% chance compared to P1] P7+- 97 items / 100 enemies (155% increase > P1, 56% > P3, 27% > P5, 12% > P7, 6% > P5+, 1% > P6+) [ -64% chance compared to P1] P8+- 99 items / 100 enemies (160% increase > P1, 59% > P3, 30% > P5, 15% > P7, 8% > P5+, 3% > P6+, 2% > P7+) [ -68% chance compared to P1] These are all rounded kind of arbitrarily, don't hold me to decimal places. For speed comparison Enemy HP P1- 100% P3- 200% P5- 300% P6- 350% P7- 400% P8- 450%

[@Joliie]

So farming alone, will get you nothing and farming with 8 people will get you nothing, because they are all ninja born looters.

[@yo-its-death]

Can they nerf the drop chance of ort rune...omg...every other rune is ort!

[@darkdragonite1419]

Look at it this way.. collect enough Orts and you can make a Zod

[@jayjonah2762]

"will always drop x potions and an item" me : kills andi who drops absolutely nothing...

[@joeyanthony7831]

Exactly. Andariel drops nothing all the time. The information on the website is misleading/false

[@SeeYouInHeeLL]

On single player , players 3 the best

[@flammenwaffenfries3039]

Wouldn't it be p7?

[@Krudi89]

Solo farming online is so damn hard.....

[@tno2581]

I have so shitty drops that i didnt even found shako this ladder this is Just funny . Guess my acc and char is cursed.

[@DarkepyonX]

As a modmaker for D2 back in day , unless they changed things . The statement IS accurate you showed . It's been a similar system from D2 to D4 . Legit Stone of Jordans were most often found in Zakarum area off council bosses , it's one of 3 spots that actually have it as specific in loot tables . 1 player it was . 05% chance , 8 people in zone it was 0.4% x MF , Shadowmouse (famous trainer) makes testing drops REALLY easy in D2 and same system was in D3 but drops went from . 05 ultra rare lego drop rates became 0.1% No drop rate used to just be the leftover, if you had 94% drop rate from gear then you had a 6% no drop rate . It's really simple coding (SQL editing) and Blizz statement matches D2 and D3 code , D4 like many of it's systems borrows heavily from Diablo Immortal so drops in D4 are a little different (far lower MF % builds) 8 man crew speed farming together= best drop rate period, online vs offline have different drops , original D2 LoD had online hardcore only drops . Offline can be fun but far less lucrative for gear . Blizzard has ALWAYS made these games more beneficial as group play , firat 99 hardcores were always grouped players (99 Auradiin for years) . /Players 8 is great for testing offline though

[@seraphimipx2611]

it always disgusted me how this game differentiates between online and offline! it’s a shame they didn’t change any of it in the remaster… then again… what did they change except graphics?

[@darkdragonite1419]

Synergies?

[@jin8684]

So sweet

[@justinhildebrand1515]

And this is exactly why we dont need the player count command online lol

[@justinnmai8903]

This has been basic knowledge for 20 years

[@securatyyy]

Let us use /players online you cowards

[@peigen7151]

Bots would destroy the economy even more

[@jarlfisk]

@zombie yeah sadly that ruined the ladder when people use stuff like that and just spend FG/irl money to get bis in no time..

[@darkdragonite1419]

​@@peigen7151 who cares about the economy when most people are just playing the game to make strong builds.

[@Knightsauce]

they ned to add a option to increase players count with real people joining

[@thiccolascage8180]

If you want loot, you have to farm solo anyways.

[@flammenwaffenfries3039]

I hear that

[@flammenwaffenfries3039]

Thiccolas Cage lol