Switching the Trek Roscoe 8 to 29s!

[@ToogyHowser]

Have you guys ever ridden a 29er, what do you think of them? Thanks for all the support! If you guys like the video, make sure to subscribe to the channel and turn on notifications so you don't miss an upload! Lots more coming soon! Also if you want more content and want to support the channel, consider signing up to my Patreon account where I will post more behind the scenes content, exclusive videos, extended cuts etc. www.patreon.com/toogyhowsermtb

[@southsoundrider5428]

When I first started riding, I bought a 29er and thought that the wheels were too damn big for the trails. Fast forward 4 years, I'm having a blast on my Sentinel 29er hahaha! Funny how that works out in the end.

[@kylestyle2092]

Toogy Howser MTB Looking forward to your review how they compare. I want to do the same on my Santa Cruz chameleon. I’m running plus right now but I want to try a 29er by summer. Thinking Santa Cruz Reserve 30 with i9 or Kings.

[@MTBTrailMagic]

I just bought a Trek Slash. First 29er I've ever ridden. So far I'm really liking it. Even uphills seem better.

[@mtbboy1993]

bigger wheels for bigger frames & people, makes sense right? I need a longer frame cus mien is way too short, I think trek's sizing will requite me to get largest frame they got, but I won't go for trek, cus I want different geo, and seems to be problematic to get warranty here, but my bike is so awful I would need new bike anyway, not replacement of parts, but it seems like they don't want to admit there is a huge problem. but somewhere near 480-500mm reach I guess I will have a good reach number. I am currently at 430mm and knees hit hte bar and fork and even stem at some point, I can see the wear of the stem cap logo, the slogan halfway gone.

[@kylestyle2092]

Johannes Nilsen Santa Cruz chameleon XL is 490 reach. I have both XL and Large frames. Confidence at speeds on XL frame is unreal for a Hardtail. I swap frames depending on my mood and riding spots.

[@kidsaccount1]

Wetting the tire with soapy water also helps lubricate it to ease the process as well as helping to identify leaks.

[@ToogyHowser]

yes, good call!

[@kcboddah]

For me, getting the bead off and on was a challenge until I discovered using my heels either side of the tire worked. Caution; wheel placed on a thick towel, stay off the rim and press the tyres edge only

[@chasingmtb9295]

I can't wait for the comparison video. I've been considering going 29 on mine.

[@ToogyHowser]

I've only been able to ride it on the road so far, and so far all I can tell you is it seems SO much faster!

[@mtbboy1993]

3:12 eventually the syringe will wear out, and it will be a mess,the tube cracks, and the seal pops off, also orange seal seals well so it clogs up, I recommend filling directly from bottle to the tyre.

[@ToogyHowser]

yeah I do that sometimes, but these tires where such a pain to seat I'd probably make a royal mess doing it that way haha

[@bpisan]

Dude. get yourself a couple tire levers. Also, I run the same LineComp30 wheels with XR3 tires - hard to beat for a $400 wheel/tire combo! Also-also, consider +/-25psi front, 23ish rear for trails

[@ToogyHowser]

yeah I do have some if you watch the sped up sections you can see me using them :) Cool, thanks for the psi recommendation!

[@irockuroll60]

Toogy Howser MTB haha-love when ppl think they are so smart and then someone else proves em wrong

[@brewkeepyr4647]

Went 29'er in 2013 & never looked back. Although I do have a Verde Theory dj, but that's for building some what I feel are necessary skills for MTBing (I ride it at skate parks & indoor parks. It seems to me that when the BMX riders transfer to MTB they seem to just flourish. They have mad bike handling skills!). When throwing on new rubber, I sit down and place the wheel on a bucket to get it started. For the last stubborn section I'll use tire levers like shoe horns if necessary. Works well for me.

[@ToogyHowser]

I really want a DJ just for what you mention, would love to learn some more skills on one!

[@시장의자정작용]

I had a good time watching the video. I plan to buy Roscoe 9, but is it difficult to climb?

[@kidsaccount1]

I have an x-caliber that (I think) uses the same frame as the Roscoe. I upgraded the fork and increased the travel from 100mm to 120mm-like the Roscoe-and removed my front derailleur and made it a 1x. I'll be interested to watch your follow-up on the difference you notice. I love the speed of my 29ers versus what I noticed when I've ridden 27.5s. I've also ordered a better rear wheel to get a better freehub.

[@ToogyHowser]

nice! yeah the x-caliber is the same frame as the Roscoe

[@ianmitchell4745]

Due to the bicycle shortage one of the only bikes I could even buy in this price range is the Roscoe 8. I'm coming from an X-Caliber 8 which is a 29er and I'm about 6'1" 138 lbs. I also commute and ride on the road more than I hit the trails, but I live in Santa Cruz so I just HAVE to hit the trails sometimes. This interests me greatly. How does it feel, does it look weird? It looks great in the video. Thanks!

[@oklahotb3217]

If you start at one end of the tire, work your hands up each side of the wheel rolling the tire onto the rim but also pushing the tire up as you go to work any slack there may be towards the unseated portion. That should make it easier to seat. Hard to explain in text lol. Road bike tires are the worst for seating when new.

[@ToogyHowser]

sounds like a plan! I always struggle! lol

[@shiny_t396]

Apologies if you already said and I didn’t notice but would I be able to swap a roscoe 6 into a 29er?

[@deldeek]

What’s the major benefit from upgrading from a 27 to a 29er on a Roscoe 7 ? Is it just the speed ?

[@Speedfreak_260GT]

Awesome swap! I have a 2019 Trek Roscoe 8 and having problems with the hub. Sloppy engagement and a lot of slack inside free wheel hub. Talking to shop about it. Enjoy that extra speed!

[@ToogyHowser]

Thanks! yeah I had my hub "fixed" once before I gave up and replaced it lol

[@drewsenthused6079]

I tried a Rockhopper when looking for a bike. Didn't really like it but it could have been the geo and not the giant wheels. That Roscoe is such a good looking bike.

[@ToogyHowser]

it is a beast, and the orange!! that was the deal breaker for me

[@hellrazor2208]

Trek Marlin 8 2022 or Roscoe 6. Which one u suggest?

[@Wesrl]

Park tools has a wheel stand for work benches and you can get a Pedro tire lever

[@ToogyHowser]

I saw that new wheel stand, kinda expensive for what it is though, but it does look handy!

[@409nh8]

Any machine shop can fab you one up for $20. Thinking of making my own just like I did my repair stand and it only cost me $40+$200 for the Park Clamp. It's a great stand and is way better than the park stand at that price.

[@GuimelGMC]

Hi, very cool the conversion, I have also Roscoe 8 2019 and I want switch to 29er, Did you change the front suspension to front suspension 29er? or, Is it the original front suspension?

[@kylesmith4653]

Remember “hot soapy water on the bead before you setup tubeless” makes a big difference

[@ToogyHowser]

yeah I've done that before, it really does help!

[@andriyhirnyak4324]

Imagine slapping a 29 in the front and leave the 27.5 on the back

[@ToogyHowser]

That’s the way I have it setup right now!

[@mikeh5034]

I did the same thing on a Fuji Bighorn. I was getting too many pedal strikes with 27.5 plus. 29 wheel set fixed it. Similar to you I have a 2019 trance Advanced for rougher trails

[@ToogyHowser]

nice! I can't wait to get this thing on the trail! just riding it on the road it seems WAY faster!

[@rubglez]

How much do you spend in the upgrade.

[@NE_Pigeons]

2020 Roscoe 8....Is the rear cassette a 1 piece or multiple?

[@jaysondutch1]

Another great video. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on 29er conversion.

[@ToogyHowser]

I've only really ridden it on the street so far and it's a rocket!! lol

[@danielrice5474]

@@ToogyHowser Looks great with them 29's on there. I like to do that with my roscoe too and use the plus size tires for snow or if it gets really muddy out there. Will look forward to a MTB review.

[@lanashley9750]

sometimes you may need tire levers.. it will help.. =) , nice observation with the weight and diameter of the 27.5 and 29er wheel.

[@ToogyHowser]

yeah I did end up using the levers, you can see them on the table and me using them in the sped up section :)

[@lanashley9750]

@@ToogyHowser > looking forward for your upcoming videos! Nice channel!

[@FishnTv]

Heck yea bud! Cant wait to see what your ride thoughts are.

[@ToogyHowser]

was hoping to get out tomorrow for a ride with it, but the weather is not looking good :(

[@FishnTv]

@@ToogyHowserwere getting pummelled by rain right now with high winds. Just had golf ball size hail come down.

[@jugam7]

Nice video, thank you!. I haven’t decided between a Roscoe 7 and a X Caliber 8. Which would you recommend me?

[@ToogyHowser]

I'd suggest the Roscoe! Just more versatile I think.

[@OwenDawson]

great videos thank you. I have a 2018 roscoe and looking to start upgrading some components. curious what shock you are using and what rims/hubs and drive. thank you.

[@wadepratt9654]

Im curious as to what switching from 27.5 to 29er did to your bottom bracket. Did it raise it any different from a 29er 29er and if so how much? Also really happy to see you actually compared the 2 sizes side by side. I considered switching and now im about 80% sure that i can put 29ers onto my gt pantera plus.

[@ToogyHowser]

It raised the bottom bracket slightly, not very much to worry about though.

[@wadepratt9654]

@@ToogyHowser good to know man. Thank you very much🤘

[@katarinazgraja1119]

@ToogyHowserMTB thanks for posting this! I am looking to do this exact conversion so that I can do some solid bikepacking on my Roscoe 7. I'm not too part savvy but trying to pick up parts on a budget/used. For the 29ers, how do I ensure that the 29" wheels I end up buying will fit the hub spacing on my Roscoe?

[@ToogyHowser]

Really just have to make sure the hub has end caps available that you can swap, bontrager and hope do for sure

[@goochygoochoutdoors.1913]

Not a bad idea dude. I may try this on mine at some point

[@ToogyHowser]

it's certainly fun, gonna be interesting to see what I prefer on the trail

[@goochygoochoutdoors.1913]

@@ToogyHowser What width tires did you go for on the 29 rims bud.?

[@oklahotb3217]

Are you still using the stock brakes on your Roscoe? If so, how are they? I'm getting a 2018 Roscoe 8 like yours tomorrow. Coincidentally I also have a Fox 34 Rhythm sitting in a box that I got before I knew I was getting the Roscoe. Not stalking you, promise lol

[@ToogyHowser]

I've upgraded the brakes to Shimano XT brakes. Good luck with the Roscoe and the Fox Rhythm 34 is a great fork!

[@heinzin4004]

29er fix on Roscoe 8 2020 size 17.5 frame?

[@andressaenz4562]

@toogyhousermtb awesome Channel!! Dude, if there is no chance to fit new 29er wheels and tires, can you please tell me if i can fit a 27,5 tire but instead of a 2,8 inch, fit a 2,4 inch tire. Do you think those 27,5 wheels that came with the bike, can allow a narrow tire? or is necessary to change the wheel as well. Those mid fat tires are too much for longer rides, i mean 4 to 6 hour ride

[@ToogyHowser]

I don’t think that narrow of a tire will work on the stock rims. They are 40mm internal width, you could maybe do 2.6, but then I’d worry about the bottom bracket being too low

[@regitron3873]

How big a width of 29" fit in the rear? Thanks.

[@migu31gt52]

Hi. I was doing the transfer from 27.5 to 29, but the caliper hits the rotor now .. is that normal? Do I need a spacer ?

[@ToogyHowser]

Are the brake rotors the same size? If so they should fit fine with not interference

[@zosims7970]

I use dawn soapy water 💦 around the bead of the tire and inside the rim edges nice bike bro 🤙🏽

[@ToogyHowser]

go idea!

[@joeyvalentic4439]

Hey I notice the 27.5x2.8 is still a bit smaller than that 29x2.4 makes me wonder if a 27.5x3.00 would fit in there. What do you think?

[@ToogyHowser]

27.5x3.0 would fit in the front for sure, not sure about the back, might rub the chainstays a little

[@jackiecarpenter7747]

Makes me excited to get my roscoe, 29 on a roscoe would be awesome I think

[@ToogyHowser]

it's SO fast as a 29er! Only ridden it on the streets, but it's a rocket

[@PDdiving]

Didn’t you just create a Trek X-Caliber 8 - with a dropper post? Same frame, only difference is wheel size, dropper post and component fit...

[@ToogyHowser]

yeah basically haha, and a longer fork so better geo than the X-Caliber

[@1111-t5n]

Sorry to say Toogy you created a x calibre the minimal degree differences in the head angle is almost un noticeable I would recommend a couple things but I am sure you will find them along your ventures. It's just the rear chain stay is slightly different I think that is why they created the stash. Super short chain stay and slack head though the reach was to short for me, it felt like an exaggeration 26" in my perspective.

[@timbennett6644]

How did you get round the boost 141 spacing on the rear hub. I like the idea of going 29. My rear hub starting to play up on my R8. what exactly did you put on the rear please.

[@CbrRob]

You want to buy a boost hub like the hope pro 4, superstar v6 ect then buy qr end caps

[@naru4real31]

i m thinking to go 2.40 on x-caliber-7 2021. is it good idea?

[@mihai7796]

Hi! Does this upgrade from 27.5" to 29" depends on the frame size? I assume you can't fit 29s on an XS/S frame, but I'd be curious about the minimum frame size which can take 29" upgrade. Mine is a 2018 Roscoe 8 with L frame. Any information would help :)

[@ToogyHowser]

I'm pretty sure you can fit 29's on anything bigger than a Medium, so you will be fine!

[@mihai7796]

@@ToogyHowser thank you! I’ll let you all know about the result!

[@larrywhetzel8509]

So you can’t put 29ers on a medium frame?

[@timeflies5827]

I have a Roscoe 8, ive got 2grand English what bike should I get? I was thinking a trek caliber 9.6 or 9.7? Any suggestions? Oh I'm keeping roscoe 8 as well it's so quick on the trail!

[@ToogyHowser]

Why not looking into a full suspension bike?

[@timeflies5827]

@@ToogyHowser I have thought about a full suspension, what's the best full suspension for my price range?

[@timeflies5827]

If I wait until August I be able to afford the the super caliber 9.7, that's the bike I really want, do you think I should do that?

[@utahoutings]

Any ideas where to locate just the frame?

[@qibble455]

Room for a front fender? Couldn't quite tell.

[@ToogyHowser]

yeah for sure

[@mynameishaydn3287]

Looks awesome! I was wondering if you got any info on the rear qr end caps for that rear wheel. I'm looking to upgrade to a bontrager line pro 40 rapid drive carbon 27.5 on my Roscoe

[@Donje1979]

W527033&w562022 at your local trek dealer

[@ToogyHowser]

@@Donje1979 wow thanks! I was trying to find the part number and couldn't!

[@zalvaje42]

Bro can i fit 2.4 tire into 35mm inner width rim?

[@jdmfresh88]

What’s fitment like I see you have 2.4 tires do you think there is room to go wider? My buddy has those wheels they are quite but once u ride it and it breaks in it gets pretty loud

[@ToogyHowser]

could maybe go to 2.5 with the 29's. Don't think much wider would fit, especially the front

[@jacobacojido8832]

I have a 2020 rosco 8 ! So it could fit 29 on mines too?

[@ToogyHowser]

yes totally

[@jrsuk1170]

Hey Toogy, as I've got the roscoe 7 (many upgrades planned) I was wondering what the weight of your roscoe is is now with all of your upgrades.

[@ToogyHowser]

I haven't weighed it, have no means to do that, I should look into it.

[@nathanc6611]

Toogy Howser MTB I us a luggage scale for all sorts of shit, including weighing bikes, and occasionally making sure I haven’t packed too much for holidays! Nice and cheap

[@ToogyHowser]

@@nathanc6611 good idea!

[@piercerich9]

So is your front 29×2.4 and rear 27.5x2.8

[@ToogyHowser]

in this video, front and rear are both 29x2.4

[@BikesTrailsandGreenways]

I'm working on getting my first 29er soon!

[@ToogyHowser]

Nice what are you looking at getting?

[@BikesTrailsandGreenways]

@@ToogyHowser I'm digging that Giant Trance 29 2!

[@ToogyHowser]

@@BikesTrailsandGreenways awesome! I'd love to try one!

[@shaymtbrider7244]

Hi what kind of fork u put on ur Roscoe becz my orignal had lot of problems. Oil leaks and lock out is not working bike is under warranty but rockshox refuses to sent raplcment so i guess i will change the whole fork . 2nd what kind of rims u r using n hubs ?

[@ToogyHowser]

I have a Fox Rhythm 34 130mm fork, it's been awesome! And these are bontrager line 30 comp rims with the stock bontrager hub, but these hubs on the line 30 wheels are made by DT Swiss

[@THOELL2737]

@@ToogyHowser I was told still made by formula by trek but a Wales person told me dt swiss

[@MTBM-MattHowse]

Hey. I'm very interested in converting to 29 on my 2020 roscoe 8. Just to give it a try and see/feel the difference between the 27.5+. Can you recommend a set of rims & tyres along with a rear hub that is compatible with the boost 141. And also a conversion kit if needed I need to get a list so I can start buying haha. Thanks

[@ToogyHowser]

Look into the bontrager line 30 wheels, you can get conversion caps for the hubs to boost 141. That is what I’m running and they are great wheels and hubs

[@johnreyes6691]

Toogy Howser MTB How do I make the rear to a qr? sorry kinda new to mtbs

[@francescorizzi4976]

Hi! I have a Roscoe 8 but the rear wheel has a boost 141...wich 29er wheel have you installed with boost 141? I don't found a 29 wheel with this boost (usually is 142 or 148). Can you help me?

[@ToogyHowser]

Bontrager Line 30 wheels have end caps you swap to make their boost 148 wheels into boost 141

[@jorgebremer1227]

@@ToogyHowser where can I find those end caps and what are they called?

[@a.k.vollmer5200]

I was considering putting a 29er on the front only of my Roscoe 7. Is 2.4 the widest tire that will fit the fork?

[@ToogyHowser]

for the front, I would guess you could probably fit a 2.5 or maybe even a 2.6 on there. I haven't tried though.

[@Scruffybirdd]

Where can I get these 29er wheels? Will they fit on a 2020 Roscoe 7?

[@ToogyHowser]

Any Trek dealer can order them for you, and yes they will

[@BicMichuM]

Can u go 29x2.8 for roscoes?

[@laurentbonnier3484]

Quel largeur de pneu en 29" avez vous installé ?? 2.1, 2.3 ou plus ?

[@bartouleterrible]

D’après les commentaires c’est du 2,4 et il croit que jusqu’à 2,6 ça doit passer

[@laurentbonnier3484]

@@bartouleterrible nickel alors, je pourrais passer le mien en 29x2.25 parce que le 27.5x3.0 j'ai du mal à le tirer. Problème l'axe arrière qui fait chier, c'est un standard Trek.

[@danielrice5474]

In the links, I don't see the 29 inch tires you went with.

[@ToogyHowser]

These are the wheels here: www.trekbikes.com/ca/en_CA/equipment/cycling-components/bike-wheels/mountain-bike-wheels-wheelsets/bontrager-line-comp-30-tlr-boost-29-disc-mtb-wheel/p/21916/

[@danielrice5474]

@@ToogyHowser That's the wheels. Was curious what tire you went with.

[@ToogyHowser]

@@danielrice5474 Bontrager XR3 29x2.4

[@Donje1979]

I watching to see if you come to the same conclusion as me. How are the line hub vs hope pro 4 hub?

[@ToogyHowser]

The line 30 is nice, not as nice or as loud as the hope, but certainly better than the stock hub on the roscoe

[@Donje1979]

@@ToogyHowser I'm seriously considering the line 30 in 27.5 for my Roscoe 7 they are on sale now in the USA

[@ToogyHowser]

@@Donje1979 are you sticking with the 2.8s? the rims might be a touch on the narrow side for 2.8s?

[@Donje1979]

@@ToogyHowser I was thinking that to but Blake from gmbn runs 27internal on his plus bike. If its not I can always lace the hubs to the sun ringle duroc 40 rims that came on the bike

[@dzastafahrai]

Hi Toogy, could you compare the width of both tires 27,5 plus vs 29?

[@ToogyHowser]

I did actually measure after the fact, the Rocket Rons are coming in a 2.78" and the Bontrager XR3 is coming in at 2.32" wide.

[@WasabiWei]

Did you just convert a Roscoe to be a Marlin? Same frame from what I see.

[@ToogyHowser]

Nope, the x-caliber is the same frame as the Roscoe, not the marlin

[@bikermonster8354]

Wow That bike looks nice. But the space between the backtire and the frame looks to close. Crazy but nice😉👍 Best Wishes from germany

[@ToogyHowser]

It's not too much closer than the stock 27.5+ tires, but yeah it's a bit close!

[@bikermonster8354]

Hey that look nice, can't wait for the first testride news😉👍

[@overland_dadsfl]

Hey good afternoon brother. What size bus that xr3. I'm doing the transfer from 27.5 to 29 and I was wondering how big can I go?

[@ToogyHowser]

Hey Dario! They are 29x2.4's, plenty of room still! Could probably run a 29x2.6 in the front easily!

[@christianrodriguez4784]

Watching you from México, nice vid

[@ToogyHowser]

awesome! thanks

[@gavvvvvinrocks]

This is a 2019 model? Are the stock forks 29" or 27.5"?

[@ToogyHowser]

2018 and yes the stock forks are 29er forks

[@joppebakelants6745]

Can you put 29ers on a roscoe 6?

[@ToogyHowser]

Yes you can easily

[@Madman9mm]

Why didn't you just buy an xcaliber?

[@nathanc6611]

Madman9mm I’m guessing because the differences are more than just wheel size,

[@ulisesavila7209]

there were the se4 for 20 dlls in trek

[@cesarmayorga6533]

chainring ? 34th?

[@ToogyHowser]

30T

[@jakob9299]

How do u prevent a bike from getting paint chips ?

[@drewsenthused6079]

I use heli tape. Its a thick clear sort of rubbery tape you can find on amazon.

[@ToogyHowser]

not ride it? haha, mine has a few chips, it's holding up pretty good overall, my Reign on the other hand! wow that paint is weak, that bike looks BEAT lol

[@jakob9299]

Toogy Howser MTB you have paint chips on ur roescoe ?

[@ToogyHowser]

@@jakob9299 yeah a few just around the chain ring

[@jakob9299]

Toogy Howser MTB do they paint chips bug you. They piss me off lol I put all mountain bike frame guards on them

[@Max.2066]

link to end caps asap?

[@ToogyHowser]

I don't have a direct link, but here are the trek part numbers for them: W527033 - drive side W562022 - non- drive

[@nicholascaptures]

Soapy water dude.

[@ToogyHowser]

yes, good call!

[@tinman1955]

Good vid but pleeeze.....lose the annoying background music.

[@ToogyHowser]

yeah in hindsight it was not necessary and way to loud in the mix on this video

[@galiojusticejustice3191]

Or just get a Stache...

[@kendracaruso4161]

dont be a lady?