"What is Point of View?": A Literary Guide for English Students and Teachers

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This video now includes Spanish as well as English subtitles. For a full list of dual-language videos in our series, please see the following site: liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/wlf/oregon-state-guide-english-literary-terms

[@Story.Teller.5124]

I have a question. About second person point of view. Can it be called a part of third person point of view? Because the narrator is NOT the character "you" in the story. To have the second POV, the first POV have to exist in the story. Like the video game. If the player is second POV, a hero fight a monster, you will see the game from the monster POV. That means the monster is the narrator. Therefore, the story is told in FIRST perspective POV instead. So what about the example you give? Where is the POV come from? Yes. The third person POV. Even describe "you" as a character, only focus in what "you" do, you still the reader is reading the book, not the character you in the story. You still understand the story through the narrator perspective who is hiding themselves in the story. That what you called "the third POV". What do you think about that? P/s: The second person POV STORIES definitely exists but it's just a more limited version of third- person POV. Even called the second person POV STORIES, the POV is still the third person.

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I'm not a native English speakers and i love how simple and complete this video is, it helped me for one of my presentations, thank you so much

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[@Khatoon170]

Point of view definition what is character or narrator telling story ( his or her perspective) . Types of point of view first person , second person, third person ( with two subtypes limited and omniscient) , four person. Point of view and perspective go hand in hand to bring readers closer or force some distance to allow them to go deep into character some mystery . While point of view is type of narrator or used to tell story , perspective is that narrator inner thoughts and orientation to world . Thank you for your wonderful educational literary channel.

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[@vanesta6376]

@@SWLF sorry but this is english britsh or america???

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@@vanesta6376 This is American English. The Brits might have slightly different pronunciation, but the definition is the same.

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[@phoennejakecline6583]

thanks!, this is by far the clearest discussion about POV i've ever heard.

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[@legendaryandso2091]

Can your other characters be in first-person telling their stories too, instead of your main character telling all the story?

[@SWLF]

Great question, Legendary Andso! Yes, many novels will bounce between different first-person narrators as they move from chapter to chapter. William Faulkner, for example, uses this roving technique in his great works The Sound and the Fury and As I Lay Dying. Thanks for pushing the conversation forward!

[@legendaryandso2091]

Thank you for answering.

[@danielburns1556]

Hi, was, "Just his luck,' third person close, or third person omniscient (if the narrator knew what John was thinking), or was it free indirect discourse? I want to write a story using a third person narrator, where my narrator is not a character in the story but outside the story, telling it. The story's focus would be on one main character, but I don't want to write in close third person, I want to be farther away so I can describe things he's not thinking or feeling, such as describing the setting. Would that be omniscient due to the fact that the narrator has knowledge of everything everywhere, or would this simply be third person. I would also like to occasionally mention thoughts and feelings and perceptions and sensation, such as, tears pricked at the corners of his eyes. Would that be doable in third person omniscient or would I have to use third person close, or limited? My other question/concern is this, can an omniscient narrator narrate events a character doesn't know and/or isn't currently thinking or feeling? Would mentioning things in a story that no one was thinking of, such as the weather or the age of a castle or an owl perched on a branch outside his the character's window as he slept, mean the narrator is omniscient? Or can a third person narrator also accomplish that, without it being considered omniscient? I'm wondering other than addressing the reader and asides, where the line is drawn between third person and third person omniscient (assuming there is only one main character being focused on in the story like third person limited). An omniscient narrator isn't just that the narrator can reveal the thoughts and feelings of multiple characters, but also they have knowledge of everything and can mention anything anytime to the reader? Sorry if that is worded confusingly. I guess I am wondering if it's still considered omniscient narration if the narrator only ever mentions the main character's perceptions, but also gives the reader asides, and also mentions things the character doesn't know, or if that is just plain third person narration. Would chiming in with his own asides, to the reader, make any third person story omniscient, even if they never left the main character except for asides and occasional extra information? Lastly, I'm wondering how a reader knows when the perception in the story is the character's, or the omniscient narrator's? He grit his teeth, clenched his eyes and strained with all his might against the tire iron, sweat bubbled and dripped from his forehead. Is this third person or third person omniscient? It's kind of third person close since it's 'zooming in' to the character's experience, but it could also be an omniscient narrator describing this event using his own point of view? I need help telling the difference! Anything you can offer will be a huge help! Trying to learn as much as I'm able so can write the best story I can.

[@SWLF]

Thanks for the questions, Daniel. It sounds like the narrator you're looking for is a third-person omniscient with occasional drops into "free indirect discourse." We discuss this term in another one of our videos, and plenty of authors have used it in the past to both describe scenes in the way that you want to and, at times, drop into the worldview of a given character. As that other video suggests, John Steinbeck (who is rarely identified with FID) uses the term to great effect in The Red Pony, and you might see how that works in that story for some inspiration. As to your other questions, we hope someone else out there in KZbinland will chime in with their suggestions as well. In a perfect world, we'd like this to be a broader conversation with a bunch of talented people here. What does everyone else think?

[@jonathanmagerli1919]

Thank you for this. But, is a narrator still unreliable if he (in the story I am reading) acknowledges from time to time that what he recounts might have occured differently? The narrator in the story I'm reading is actually reminiscing his past. By giving voice to other characters, i.e., by using direct speech, the narrative seems plausible. "Maps" by Nuruddin Farah, has a narration relevant to this video since the person of narration alternates between first, second and third throughout the book.

[@SWLF]

Interesting! The most conventional unreliable narrator is oblivious to the fact that his / her / their perspective on the world is limited (see our "What is an Unreliable Narrator?" video). We're not familiar with Farah's work, but in being self-consciously aware of his limitations, we wouldn't read him through the same kind of ironic distance as a typical unreliable narrator. He'd still be considered unreliable, of course!

[@tetzlaffjo]

So what do we do when Fleabag, in the show "Fleabag", breaks the 4th wall and narrates the events of her own life in 2nd person, while looking at the camera? What point of view is it called when she does this? Most of the show is third person-we're watching the events like any other show we watch-but for a hot second she's looking directly at us and describing the events in 3rd person while narrating her own actions in second person; what do we gain by switching between these points of view, and why does thinking about it hurt my brain?

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Great question, Jodi! As fate would have it, one of our next videos in the series is on the "fourth wall," so look for answers to that question soon. In the meantime, what does everyone else think?

[@destroyer6470]

Its called a First person shooter because the viewing angle is first person, the story perspective is however second person. They have not and will most likely never change this due to it being what people know and are comfortable with as a name for the genre.

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We like this distinction, Destroyer64! Thanks for the comment and for keeping the conversation going!

[@destroyer6470]

@@SWLF You are very welcome.

[@Randomela]

Thx! 11 year old aspiring novelist here!

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Good luck with that novel!

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[@anne9449]

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[@riynu7774]

how do you refer to a gender neutral person with "they"? it would make sense if there are many people but what are we supposed to do when there is only one ( gender neutral) person in the scene? kinda confused

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Great question, Riy! We'll actually be putting out a video in our grammar series soon on this very concept and the evolving history of the "they" pronoun, which has changed substantially in a very short span of time. We hope you'll check it out when we post it later this fall.

[@riynu7774]

@@SWLF ok thank you

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[@anirutkitsawat1238]

"There has never been a first-person shooter" Call of Duty and Battlefield : Are we a joke to you?

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Ha! We'd call those "second-person" games. After all, "you" are performing the actions in the games.

[@vanesta6376]

my english is not very good yet😪😞

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Keep working on it, sayco! You'll be fluent in no time!

[@astridskeys8539]

I am in middle school and i still don't get this

[@gus361]

You know second person is great for a devilish visitor.

[@SWLF]

Ha! Which visitor were you thinking of?

[@fxwod6184]

Bruh you could see how he tries to speak freely but always looks at the screen reading the script xD

[@Turdferguson-pt2zz]

me when skyrim is referenced in a video assigned by my poetry professor :O

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Ha! Well, we certainly hope the analogy worked for you!

[@natalielesueur7460]

"Audiences point of view" is missing an apostrophe

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FINALLY someone recognizes the foreshadowing that subtly advertises of our "How to Use Apostrophes" video. Good catch, Natalie!

[@natalielesueur7460]

Touché ! and the excellent comma splice one !

[@chrispaquette7513]

And by the way, I disagree with the speaker that there will never be a video game told from the first-person point of view, or that if there was one, the game would be dull. Check out the first Ninja Gaiden for NES. All of the cutscenes are given from the first person perspective. Additionally, the sequence of events--concerned with ninja intrigue and the surreptitious activity of dark organizations--have a subtle way of causing us to suspect the narrator. With the "second person shooter" we notice a difference between *what* we see and *how* we see it, which gives the real point of view. In a game like Ninja Gaiden (I'm sure there are others), *what* we see is from the outside, but *how* we see it is from the characters perspective.

[@SWLF]

Interesting, Chris! We're not familiar with Ninja Gaiden, but what does everyone else think? Is this a truly first-person game or is it a second-person unreliable narrator? And thanks for keeping the conversation going!

[@mchacker3725]

I don't now what are you saying

[@SWLF]

You are welcome to read the entire transcript if it'd be easier here: liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/wlf/what-point-of-view

[@jaidraharthur2647]

Anyone else here for English?😂

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Most of us, we'd imagine.

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[@yinyangthang]

"Mud-soaked shoes" is such a cliche' phrase.

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Dang, you're coming in hot, @yinyangthang ! Where else does this phrase occur that makes it so cliched?

[@yinyangthang]

Lol. Sorry, just a joke.@@SWLF

[@SWLF]

Ha! To be fair, Prof Larison does use it a LOT in this video. Thanks for dropping by, @@yinyangthang

[@lostsoul2184]

well,you're wrong about the videogames obviously .

[@SWLF]

How so, Lost soul? Wouldn't a "first-person" game (if it was meant in the same way as we use the term in literary studies) be one in which the narrator is the character telling us of his or her adventures?

[@lostsoul2184]

@@SWLF you've clearly never played Deadpool

[@SWLF]

@@lostsoul2184 Ha! We have not. Does he do the same kind of meta-commentary in the game that he does in the movies?

[@lostsoul2184]

@@SWLF play it

[@thedarkbountyhunter7592]

He, she, they 😂😂😂😂😂

[@chrispaquette7513]

Look, I'm sorry about your shoes, okay?

[@SWLF]

Ha! We're still not over it.