Sydney's midnight sun!

[@josleys]

Just threw out "IN STAR GRAM FIRMAMENT" for calling me a "nazi collaborator". I have stopped tolerating stupid insults.

[@neilbowler7866]

Just showed his/her's ignorance on another subject.

[@moonrules7365]

Funny that when you provide evidence for a globe model, they start calling you names.

[@moonrules7365]

@Agent 666 Oakley, case in point.

[@romithromith]

He's a trolling idiot who is posting again on VoysovReason's video's comments. I think you were more than fair with him and there was nothing remotely constructive about his posts. Additionally, he's another flerf who doesn't know how to use a P1000, doesn't read the manual and think they've made a amazing discovery. Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize for Stupidity.

[@equinoxproject2284]

The foot is down, I repeat the foot is down.

[@josleys]

Threw out "photosphotos" for refusing to engage in a civil conversation. No need to agree with what I say in a discussion, but ignoring it gets you busted.

[@MrVideo525]

Hahahah, I know that name. I ran into him twice in weather balloon videos making his empty claims, And when I challenged him, I got nothing but crickets. 🤣

[@drincmusic2769]

idea: create an actual flat earth, and place flat earthers on it just to make them happy that they live on a flat earth.

[@mangojulie123]

Brilliant! Except for flerfers, Australia does not exist ... much to the dismay of Australian flerfers. By the way, this video would be perfect to ask Aussie flerfers to explain how the sun works in their neck of the woods.

[@equinoxproject2284]

Also in the southern hemisphere the sun moves right to left at sunrise and sunset.

[@southernsal3113]

As I've been showing continuously for the past couple of months. Please visit my channel, if only for the footage. 🙃

[@Earthislife1031]

Excellent Video!!!

[@mathtime4578]

Nicely done jos. Another problem they cant explain. From anywhere on earth the sun is seen moving at 15 degrees per hour. This one simple fact is impossible on any flat plane with a close sun. Doesnt matter what model or map they make it wont work. Usually that's when they leave the conversation lol.

[@volcanoimagec.a.5881]

Nice animation. Flat earthers could never answer the question: What causes the complete blockage of direct sunlight from reaching the observer immediately after sunset? They get stumped.

[@josleys]

...and when you question them about that very simple fact, their response is always that you don't understand perspective!

[@volcanoimagec.a.5881]

@@josleys But when I ask them how does perspective play a part in the complete disappearance bottom up of the sun and direct sunlight all I get is the deer in the headlight look. Even when I ask a flat earther, what is the flat earth attached toif it is stationary? They say pillars, I say what are the pillars attached to, same reaction.

[@josleys]

@@volcanoimagec.a.5881 I like to ask them why, with a sun circling above a FE, we never see circular patterns when we trace the shadow of the tip of a stick. I have yet to receive the first answer. It usually makes them run away. One guy said that the sun moves "beyond the vanishing point". Apparently with flerspective moving beyond a vanishing point is no problem.

[@romithromith]

@@josleys Interesting how the distance to the Sun's vanishing point varies by direction.

[@josleys]

@@romithromith What is "sun's vanishing point"?

[@romithromith]

Hey Jos, Recently I ran some numbers ignoring that the FE Sun would never set and the actual directions of sunrise/set. On the December solstice, in Hobart, Tasmania, AU, the FE Sun rises/sets at a distance of 15,700 miles, while at a distance of 8,390 miles, the North Pole lingers in darkness.

[@seymoresaymore]

_"Now it gets dark for no good reason"_ Oh, they have lots of "reasons", they wave their hands and block out the sun! Nice demonstration!

[@RobertEmery]

yeah, lots of "reasons", but no *good* ones.

[@sinclap2]

No ranting or raving, just pure facts, in 2 minutes and 2 seconds.

[@rocketspushoffair]

Look at my comment on here, Jos chickened out of a challenge that debunks the globe religion, I told him to animate a Dead Sea sunset and he tucked his tail between his legs and ran. It only works on flat earth, and that's the end of the globe. 🌍👈😂👍

[@mikeflatbird729]

his CARTOON is not even close to scale, derp... the "sun" would be only the size of one PIXEL on that flat earth "map"..

[@InternetDarkLord]

@@mikeflatbird729 Why is scale relevant?

[@boterlettersukkel]

@@rocketspushoffair You are just one delusional relitard.

[@dazzathecameraman]

Nicely done. The Sun could never set if the earth was really flat.

[@arctic_haze]

Actually ancient Babylonians were one step ahead of modern flerfs. They thought the earth werre flat but surrounded by a sphere with stars, rotating around it. If you did astronomy in one place (like Babylonia), their model worked quite well. The flerf one works nowhere.

[@mikeflatbird729]

Care to livestream debate me on the topic? DaZzz? Zzz..

[@dazzathecameraman]

@@mikeflatbird729 sure - if you can promise to answer some questions during that debate / discussion while being polite and respectful.

[@mikeflatbird729]

Nope - im not gonna hold back calling you what you are

[@dazzathecameraman]

@@mikeflatbird729 so in other words you just want a platform for attention instead of actually having a proper discussion? Just as I expected. Come back and talk to me when you're prepared to answer questions - as I am.

[@robertschlesinger1342]

Nice video, but I prefer your videos series on Chaos and the series on Dimensionality.

[@scott_meyer]

Wait, the Sun's orbit is elliptical?

[@psalux18963]

Your animations are one of the most powerful tools against flat earth. However there is not a single time when I proposed them in a link that the opponent has been amazed by that. They just rejected it with no reason. Sad.

[@rocketspushoffair]

Is that why Jos just chickend out when I asked him to animate a Dead Sea sunset on your devil ball? You are a FAKE Christian, your god is the devil's ball. You cannot debunk my Dead Sea sunset argument or ANY of my videos. Sad that you think water sticks to a ball by a theoretical magic force. 🌍👈😂👍

[@psalux18963]

@@rocketspushoffair All of your videos are ridiculously stupid from beginning to end. Did you notice anything in this video? What is the path of the sun in the southern hemisphere? It seems that it is the opposite of what is predicted on a flat earth, the nost northern moment of its path is at noon. It goes from right to the left, just like all those videos that I posted on your channel and that probably you didn't watch because you already know how the sun behaves in the southern hemisphere and you have based on that part of your debunking about the midnight sun. Why everybody shows that the sun circles in the opposite way in the southern hemisphere? Why the direction of the midnight is the south and not the north? What's the title of your video with Dead Sea sunset?

[@psalux18963]

@@rocketspushoffair You are a Christian that gives more worth to his interpretation of reality, (against what God has made), than to the faith in Jesus Christ. And a Christian that goes against everything of the christian tradition about the shape of the earth.

[@rocketspushoffair]

@@psalux18963 nobody does, I have seen some supposed examples, WHAT A JOOOOKE! Don't change the subject, Dead Sea sunset debunks the globe religion, nothing you can do about it, your buddy Jos even said my argument is "too strong" to debate. If you have a brain you would not be a globehead. 🌍👈😂👍 *SUN LOCAL OVERHEAD LIGHT flat earth setting sun demo vindicated dead sea sunset debunks globe model* kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4WcdYCpfpylo8k

[@rocketspushoffair]

@@psalux18963 Wrong, Genesis debunks you, as well as over 200 references in the Bible. Earth does NOT MOVE. You are against God's creation and wasting the brain he gave you--you will no doubt give an account for this! ;-) 🌍👈😂👍

[@Earthislife1031]

Wow we almost have the same elevation at midnight!!!!

[@vincentb9827]

Génial, comme d'habitude . C'est vraiment digne de Walt Disney ! Wolfie6020 va adorer .

[@crowxe]

Short and says it all, you can't change people's religion (the FE religion) but you sure make sane people enjoy

[@southernsal3113]

Very nice 👌👍

[@per.gammerath]

You never disappoint. Always good demonstrations.

[@killies4355]

thanks for this little animation

[@claudeghendrih762]

Pretty good but I preferred your flat maps folding on a spherical earth to matchup measured data , way easier to follow I'm sure you could've used the same presentation here to better effect . BTW it's been a long time

[@entrelacadoquantico8015]

Great job, as always! Keep going!

[@bertrickles15]

I like it. Sort of like my recent videos about the suns angles and movement but done with much better presentation. 👍

[@diymicha2]

Thanks Jos. Would be cool to overlay both suns in one frame, to see the difference between real and flerf sun.

[@videobitsofreality]

Good job Jos. What software do you use?

[@josleys]

Thanks! All done in Povray...

[@incredulity8975]

According to FE it's density that makes the sun go dark (down)... even when flying at cruising altitude at midnight... it's density... or perspective, or angular resolution - depending on who answers the question. 🙄

[@mangojulie123]

Nope. It's CGI

[@Anonymoususerx-y6o]

It’s like you only call at Xmas and my bday.

[@misterocain]

Great animation and great demonstration of what their own claims would really mean. Like everything flat earth, one apology contradicts another. One small criticism is that some of the text could have stayed up longer but hey, I notice your badge of honour (list of fe blockers) surpasses mine,, so you outrank me.

[@mikeflatbird729]

except that his CARTOON is not even close to scale, derp...

[@misterocain]

@@mikeflatbird729 It HAS to be a CARTOON because it is representing a fantasy situation. One can only guess at the flat earth model because flat earthers cannot produce one of their own. Scale doesn't matter to make the point in this footage but what is important is that the size of the Sun remains constant as observed in reality no matter what side of the fence you sit. Although the Sun stays at a constant angular size in reality, even if the Sun did become the size of a dot, it would still be the Sun and it would still be observable at midnight.

[@mikeflatbird729]

you are totally ignorant at visuals kid...

[@mikeflatbird729]

because the sun would only be the size of one PIXEL, on that map, and..would be in a DENSE atmosphere, and ..more importantly, the Ground Ramps up,due to perspective/convergence/vanishing point, at a mere 3 to 6 miles (10-max), but the sun since its so high in the sky can be seen for 3000 miles either east or west , derp. Zzz...

[@boterlettersukkel]

@@mikeflatbird729 The cartoon is your delusion The second part is real video. Your argument keep getting weaker.

[@british-sama7007]

Really love your content

[@OlivierJoseph]

Excellent !

[@edhaynes4107]

Well done. Flat Earth believers like to say, "Do your own research" when they can offer no answers to your questions. When I offer what I have discovered, flat earth believers want nothing to do with me. Flat earth believers talk a lot about KZbin flat earth censorship (which I have not observed) yet they love to hand it out to anybody whom doesn't agree with their personal belief. I too am banned from several of those channels you list in your description. I"m sure the list will grow longer.

[@cybe777]

Another aspect to look at would be the size of the sun (through a solar filter)

[@josleys]

This is devastating enough for flerfs, even without bringing in the correct theoretical Flat Earth sun size!

[@platatopitheque-7510]

Obvious ! And this gives in addition an index on the geographical origin of the hypotheses of the earth place ^^....

[@moonrules7365]

Hey Jos...:)....Where are you getting the 77.12 elevation for flat earth sun?....thanks!

[@josleys]

Sydney is about 1150 km from the tropic of capricorn, and with a 5000 km high sun, that works out at about 77°.

[@moonrules7365]

Jos Leys Understood!...thank u.

[@moonrules7365]

The sun rises south of due east in Sydney. How do flerfs explain that?!

[@josleys]

@@moonrules7365 They don't!

[@moonrules7365]

@Jos Leys I heard a flerf try to explain that the sun would "appear" that far south white at its farthest point east during its orbit....LOL!

[@sasilik]

Shouldn't the sun be right above the south pole in this model at some moment?

[@josleys]

No, it magically moves between the tropics only.

[@cheshirecat3458]

Why should it be...

[@sasilik]

@@cheshirecat3458 it seems to be there at 0:15

[@cheshirecat3458]

sasilik Just more proof the FE model doesn’t work... And most flattards will say that there’s no South Pole...

[@seymoresaymore]

@@sasilik _"it seems to be there at __0:15__"_ The sun is above the outer circle on the ground.

[@matt_555]

Awesome, as always!

[@waedi73]

Great video !

[@MGoudsmits]

I guess you assume the diameter of the sun path is +/- 25200km. But following Gleason and an equator of 40.000 km that would be 16.050 km so the sun would be higher in the sky at midnight and not at 10 degrees. With regard to blockers last time I checked these blocked me also , gibson225, the pure gospel on a flat earth, no fanfare

[@AetherBender]

Nicely done, sir!

[@appresley4071]

I have almost given up posting on flat-earth channels, it surprises me how quickly I am either ghosted, deleted or banned. Don't worry I am sure many other flerfer channels are chaffing at the bit to also delete you.

[@luisfernandoibarraperez3347]

Like.

[@mikeflatbird729]

and..that is not to scale! the sun would be the size of a dot or one pixel! compared to that earth map!..

[@seymoresaymore]

A one pixel sun still wouldn't set on a flat earth.

[@mikeflatbird729]

yes it would. Human eye creates a false horizon at only a mere 3 to 6 miles (10-max), convergence vanishing point, the ground SEEMINGLY ramps up, ..and the sun in this case gets physically obstructed mkay..

[@mikeflatbird729]

what Magic? go lookup image search online for what i said, start with "looking up a long hallway" look at the golden colored HOTEL ones, mkay, now, see how that FLOOR rises! up! up to about eye-level?! ok then, that's just an example - now the same thing happens outside too, but it stretches to 6 miles, and after that point of convergence anything past that 6'ish miles will seemingly disappear bottom-up ...

[@mikeflatbird729]

you people are obvious ignorants about FE topic...

[@InternetDarkLord]

The SCALE does not disprove his point, why bring it up?

[@vincentb9827]

Bonjour Jos, As tu suivi de près l'expérience de Waldek consistant à pointer l'ombre d'un gnomon ? Pour une fois que les plateux font quelque chose de concret, ça me chiffonnerait qu'ils aient le dernier mot. Waldek et consorts ont constaté que l'angle de l'ombre par rapport au nord varie beaucoup d'heure en heure. On est loin de constater 15 ° de déviation ainsi qu'on pourrait le penser puisque la terre fait un tour sur elle même en 24 h . La raison, je pense , est due à l'inclination de 23.5° de l'axe de la terre, mais c'est difficile à visualiser. Confirmes-tu mon explication et est-ce possible de le montrer par animation. Sans pouvoir rattacher le fait à la terre plate , Waldek se gargarise en disant que ça démontre que quelque chose ne va pas dans le globe. A te lire, cordialement kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3-qn5aJatmmras

[@josleys]

Je t"assure que nos cadrans solaires sont correctes et représentent exactement ce qui se passe avec notre situation héliocentrique. Regardez ceci par exemple : www.commission-cadrans-solaires.fr/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Comprendre%20les%20cadrans%20solaires.pdf

[@vincentb9827]

@@josleys Merci pour ta doc, je regarde ça de plus près dès que j'ai 5 mn

[@vincentb9827]

@@josleys Hello Jos, tu es bilingue non ? Je trouve que ce serait bien de faire un live avec un australien ( Wade's underworld que tu dois connaitre ) Vu notre niveau moyen en anglais, ce serait bien d'être épaulé par quelqu'un de qualifié. En serais-tu ?

[@MaxFri2109]

Perfect !!

[@WildStyleStayWild]

Your a genius . I saw your comment on Lucy lemon 🍋 Brain dum dum. Channel. Will do a response. 👍

[@chainlandproductions820]

nice video

[@whereswa11y]

You can add "Fresh Look At Truth"

[@josleys]

You're right! ...and can't remember ever commenting there. ( I tend to stay away from arguments in involving observations over water)

[@whereswa11y]

@@josleys ALL GLOBIES are blocked.

[@comeonpeople2648]

@@josleys Because that is where you lose... water is "always" level. No made-up math numbers can be used.

[@Sableagle]

Did somebody mention "water" and "level" just now? kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2ekipx-eN-SbpI kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHaofYOcYt-msJI Feel free to replicate it. Maybe you can beat Riley to this version of it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ravEhHmfh5uokMk

[@comeonpeople2648]

If you laugh you sub! 😂😂😂 right

[@entangledmindcells9359]

Jos. you really want to upset their imaginary world.. how dare you. Always good work! How about another. Show what two people in Perth AU & Buenos Aires Arg see when they look to their south at night at the same time during their winter months.. Their backs are to each other and what..they see the same stars.. but how?..

[@josleys]

Did you see my vid on star trails? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXO4fpWhoreLmsU

[@entangledmindcells9359]

@@josleys Yes.. I've pointed FE's to it. For some reason I think they just get overwhelmed (I personally love it but) My thought was boiling it down to a very basic two people looking in completely opposite directions can see the same thing.. its very telling,, that is what they have to believe is possible

[@josleys]

@@entangledmindcells9359 Oh but if Dubay or Phuket say that it is possible then 99% of them believe it!

[@ОЧёмбе]

С интересом смотрю.

[@ОЧёмбе]

(01.03.2020)

[@tytymeta9999]

Un muscle , deux cerveaux

[@FrenchCrow]

Le platiste type ? Oui.

[@vincentb9827]

@@FrenchCrow Ce sont les hypertrophiés de l'hémisphère droit !

[@FrenchCrow]

@@vincentb9827 Pas sûr. Le cerveau droit gère l'intuitivité et l'intelligence globale, quand même. Plutôt des ratatinés des 2 hémisphères. Ou des cerveaux plats.

[@vincentb9827]

@@FrenchCrow C'est pourtant ce que prétend Tony77t

[@InternetDarkLord]

Don't worry, I'm sure more channels will ban you.

[@MultiT0mt0m]

What a load of rubbish.

[@ir8free]

MultiT0mt0m like the discworld bullcrap?

[@MultiT0mt0m]

@Melburys Brick There is no flat earth model dipshit.

[@bobshafto]

"What a load of rubbish" My reaction was entirely the opposite. Since I've seen you often in live chat on the Book of the Sun's streams, I take it you've embraced Antonio's theory of the sun being a "holo-prismatic nexus of filaments" and not the localized sun that Jos Leys has depicted. If so, then I understand why you might find this to be "rubbish." I'm inclined to think Antonio's non-localizable holo-prismatic sun notion, while novel and unorthodox (for flat earth), is "rubbish." Antonio's method of promoting his notion of the sun is to find "problems with the globe." Jos's animation here is a "problem for the flat earth." If a holo-prismatic nexus of filaments solves this "problem," I'd like to see how. I have an idea to challenge Antonio's non-localized sun claim with some collaborative observations. I'd like flat earther's to make the observations. All you have to do is take a photo of the sun with a terrestrial landmark in frame on a specific day and time. Are you game? The objective will be to see if the sun's subsolar position can or cannot be fixed. According to Antonio, because the sun is not-localized (like a rainbow), it can't be. I say it can. Want to participate?

[@cheshirecat3458]

Nothing on timeanddate will ever match your fantasy land... Like this for instance... Pay attention to the location... www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/antarctica/south-pole

[@mikeflatbird729]

there is no 24 hours midnight sun in Antarctica. Only 24hours of daylight/twilight, but no visible sun in the sky for 24 hours at a time like it is in the north..

[@vivektodmal1]

This is just your perspective on this ...and there is no model yet which you can follow and your model is not even scaled properly ...does it take laws of perspective atmosphere into effect ? No it does not , if you would like to see the sun circling above go near the north and if you could show me one good timelapse of sun near the south extremeity and prove its happening there I trust you. But wait you can't ....one or two videos exist and one of them is fake and one we are not sure whether its antartkca or artic

[@josleys]

No model yet that I can follow? OK! Let me know when you guys have your model worked out! How about a map to start with? ..and before you go and hide, what the hell is "laws of perspective atmosphere"? Wow, that's a new one, so explain!

[@vivektodmal1]

@@josleys I meant the nature is a multidimensional variable u have to take all factors into consideration...like the atmospheric refraction , laws of perspective , tempraature , humidity ,,,have u even seen objects at horizon when it is very hot , if objects at 30-40 miles start disappearing due to atmospheric conditions , how do u expect to see sun which is so far away, in our model the earth is much larger than you think and starts expanding below the equator in lines of latitude towards the south, this can be easily explained by the long distances and ship wreks in the southern hemisphere . And if you can't even see 100 miles far from your line of sight how do u expect to see so far away ...the atmospheric conditions play a big role in the effects we observe .

[@josleys]

@@vivektodmal1 No, all nonsense I can see stars near the horizon at night. No "atmospheric obstruction" there!

[@vivektodmal1]

@@josleys so are you denying that atmospheric conditions do not clutter our vision ? Are you saying that we should see forever , well even physicists say that we see stars and sun clearly because they have a much greater angular size . But if you are testing the other perspective that the earth is flat then definitely all the celestial objects are smaller , much smaller than earth and it is a safe assumption to make . So if the celestial bodies are much smaller and we have a limited vision then we wwont see the sun circling we would see it set from our perspective just as we see a boat sink to the horizon as it moves far away , the angular size diminishes. So the horizon is not curvature but all objects diminish to a single line due to their line of sight as they move farther away. Ofc we can rise above the ground to see a much larger portion of the earth but the limit is only 50 miles coz after that only space agencies claim to reach that height

[@josleys]

@@vivektodmal1 So explain again why we can see those stars across all that atmosphere..

[@shagb2751]

No one uses that model old man

[@josleys]

Yes Shaggy, you ALL use that model. You have nothing else.

[@romithromith]

That's the classic FE model that most use, though none work. So what model is used? How does it explain the Sun rising in the Southeast and setting in the Southwest in Sydney in December?

[@shagb2751]

@@josleys I don't live on a model old man. No need to strawman me.

[@josleys]

@@shagb2751 No not a model, a globe! Can you explain what Robert asked?

[@twoshadesuk]

@Shag B, not going to answer? Come on tell us what model YOU think is used and quit with the ageism it does not constitute a point in your no doubt otherwise perfectly valid arguments.

[@dan1497]

Oh! amazing ! And Profound! You are Godly! HAHAHAHAHA.... You have Nothing!. You're ... simply not correct. Guys... DO-MORE-RESEARCH. TRY!

[@josleys]

Godly! Wow! Thanks!

[@Trevor_Austin]

dan 1 - Which is it Dan - Midnight sun or a flat earth? The research has been done. So I’d suggest that you show us where Jos has gone wrong.

[@sthurston2]

I would be very interested in knowing where the agreed FE model is documented. The circling Sun and Moon over an AE map appeared to be widely accepted until the disagreements with observation were made clear by globers. Now I understand the general position is to say globe is clearly wrong but we do not know anything other than it is definitely flat + still. Well Sun directly overhead can be plotted so it must be circular. The angular size is the same everywhere at noon so it should be pretty high up and constant. If it were closer people to the side would see it smaller and they don't. However the higher it is the more distortion would be required to make it set and rise. The same thing appears to apply to the Moon which is far less bright than the Sun. Thus this is not a function of brightness, Why are the stars not affected? They are affected by the expected refraction effects but not this massive hiding effect. A more direct problem is the day night pattern in the South. You have an area of night surrounded by day. So the Sun's illumination behaviour is varying over the year and very strange on the flat Earth. So we have a model which meets observations and one that implies stuff that does not. I am afraid the globe wins easily under the making predictions and meeting observations criteria if you simply say do your research.

[@josleys]

@@sthurston2 Good luck getting a single sensible answer from any flerfer to any of your questions!

[@GymRowboat]

dan 1... Research tells me that I can't see the sun when flying at midnight. Cruising altitude is higher than mountains and clouds. Where is the sun...? Not even a glimmer - anywhere.