Sydney Talks About the DSG Game Changers Team Backlash

[@ScarletBloodDoll]

I didn't even realize there was drama until the videos. This is a great example as to why the Valo category was removed from the Streamer awards.

[@deshelledturtle355]

so true... as a non-valorant player also didn't know there were drama. When I heard about the DSG female team, all I thought was "oh cool! that's so great for them". Didn't know people were being toxic, but of course they are people being toxic

[@zaheerquraishi5494]

oh yeah I love this game but the community is so toxic

[@kayciewithie4941]

Those people are so childish lmao, there are only upsides for a streamer team to join the gc scene. Deadass did not know about ‘game changers’ until all of this happened I’m not even joking.

[@BlueHundred1]

I'm sure half the people upset didn't know about it either

[@Kevinsayys]

Same

[@m1lkbags]

Yeah I mostly follow cs and I follow the impact tournaments (female cs) but for val I didnt even know there was a female league until toast tweeted about it, gonna check it out whenever the matches go live now

[@jinri_p1042]

this was her response to people saying it gives positive exposure to gc: "genuinely how does this give us any positive exposure when the team that's representing the scene to such a massive degree is a fucking content team and 1 actual player" - @/jellyfishval

[@kurai8437]

@@jinri_p1042 Dem, people seriously need a reality check. You can't get positive exposure if you dont get exposure at all. To be fair, there's half an argument that the exposure it brings isnt the kind of exposure you want for a tournament. The problem with this argument is twofold. Professionalism is important for any competition, but the way it is approached to e-Sports is fundamentally different from the classic sport scene because the target audience is different, so while having streamers competing isnt strictly "professional and serious", there's also a lot of leeway in considering what is and what isnt professional, especially so since its a NEW tournament (which directly implies it's not yet fully established and therefore prone to changes). All of the professionalism talk is also rendered useless by the second issue, where without exposure, you would have no tournament at all in the next future. It doesnt matter what kind of exposure you get, if you get people talking about your product, sooner or later the people that are actually interested in it will flock to it, and THEN you will have an audience for the kind of content you wanna put out. If you dont establish a viewerbase, it will die out simply because the people that would be interested in it will never hear about it. It's why you're bombarded by ads everywhere. Does anyone actually like ads? I highly doubt it. So they arent getting the right kind of exposure right? Well then why do billions of dollars get spent for the "wrong" kind of exposure?

[@laurencamila9024]

they're literally saying "I have clout, let me help the valorant female scene" and people said "hm, angy"

[@j-s-m]

​@@m1lkbags dude legit paid too have dozens of people's eyesight fixed and people still complained.

[@ad_kk16]

Some miserable people just hate seeing people succeeding or doing something that can make a positive impact. People will actively find something to complain about. People will gatekeep others. It's ridiculous...

[@fable-I]

And didn’t he say it was an open tourney? That’s basically anyone who’s wants to come can come 😂

[@KikiDYLM23]

Those people who complain a lot are the people who's life is so miserable and can't even smile without forcing themselves 🤣

[@DanteLovesPizza]

People who complain just don't know how reality works. Content creators bring viewership. Plenty of people wouldn't otherwise know about this tournament, let alone the teams. You think teams with no viewers and supporters will last? Even if they become champions, they're not going to last. Did you not learn that from traditional sports? If you want a successful industry, you need to bring the attention to it, and content creators are doing that. Why don't female football players earn nearly as much money as male football players? Because there's no viewership, no one is watching it. There's literally no funds from fans and supporters buying tickets, merchandise, nothing. A champion no one has heard of is not making more money than a loser everyone has heard of. The best female football player in the world who has won the women's World Cup makes less in a month than Ronaldo, who hasn't won the World Cup, does in a day. Reality check, money doesn't fall from trees or rain down from the sky, it's economics.

[@joaonorberto6282]

To add to that, in Europe, where sports clubs have football teams, basket teams, hoquey teams, e-sports teams, etc, both male and female, all those other teams that aren't football have a base of viewers and supporters that come from the fans of the club. Having more viewrs is good for any starting sport...

[@idkidc72662]

well said. thank you for your effort

[@DanteLovesPizza]

@@joaonorberto6282 Not even starting sport, having more viewers in general is just a positive regardless. There's nothing in the world where having more viewers and attention is bad. The bottom line is, no one is sponsoring something that no one is watching. I guess not everyone lives in reality though. Plenty of people live in Narnia.

[@jack6126]

It’s far more complicated than “people just don’t watch women’s sports”

[@DanteLovesPizza]

@@jack6126 Not really. No viewership = no money. It's pretty straightforward. It's like that with everything where money comes from audience and attention.

[@jinri_p1042]

the worse part is that the girl who started the drama (jellyfishval) keeps refusing to apologize for misunderstanding toast's tweets, and saying that the streamers are taking away opportunities from the pros when this is an OPEN qualifier

[@RavenAii]

I was looking up for her Twitter account just now, apparently it have been suspended.

[@mandiambrad6522]

Lmao, sounds like she's gatekeeping a gate that's wide open but thinks that it's closed

[@a.w_.]

The only way this took away opportunities is if other players were entitled to the spots in the DSGC team. Which they are not.

[@user-vq9rk6eb4d]

@@RavenAii Its still there. She just removed the tweet she made about DSG lol (jellyfishval2, the other jellyfishval is some OF account lmao)

[@oomay1925]

I know these streamers aren't on the same level as pro players atm, BUT it is abundantly clear that e-sport orgs don't make *any* money. It's a HUGE loss to make an esports team. So, including streamers who can pull more sponsorships and stuff can actually help with funding these uber expensive leagues.

[@oldmatttv]

Not saying that this will be the beginning of anything or the approach of the future, but esports needs a massive overhaul. Valorant has definitely reached a more casual audience, which is great. But the scene overall does not work at the moment and needs to be rethought. I think people like Toast and even Charlie and Lud have (and of course these girls and everyone else involved) have a good chance of being a part of that change to make esports a more viable business and just more mainstream overall.

[@TPK_MAKG]

@Old Matt yeah but it just seems so hard to pull off, like the only way I can see it being profitable is that their merchandise sales skyrocket

[@bench2346]

idk… there really aren’t THAT many established GC teams. outside maybe 5 or 6, the other paid orgs are insanely inconsistent and not dedicated. i know toast’s team only has a week to prac but i would not be surprised if they make a little noise

[@hannahorse16]

​@@TPK_MAKG i mean reaching a larger audience with streamers/people with more exposure seems like a great start for more merch sales, also more fun tournaments like twtch rivals style. (Also what toast has been doing which is properly turning DSG content into yt content, the couple other orgs that have done YT vids have not understood the YT space at all.)

[@samz1108]

I love how Syd throws Jodi under the bus hahahahaha. "I killed Quarterjade 16 times in a game!" Hahahaha

[@musti7973]

Lmao, tbf i think jodi is the one they can farm the most Valo content/clout from😂. Maybe kydae too but syd probably isn't that close to her to throw her under😅

[@antoshirosahitsuguya]

That's kinda sad how people are saying DSG's women's team is not good enough. I mean they must've not seen Jodi, Sydney, Kyedae and Tenzin play. Ttupperware I don't know but I'm sure she's sick too especially as she's the IGL for the team. I'm excited to see how things go. I really do hope this team kills it for toast and wins a lot of tourneys. I'm still sad about the guys team for DSG. It was really unfortunate about exalt man... I had really liked watching exalt too and watching him play on DSG. I hope DSG makes an incredible comeback. ❤

[@mc-mi4zh]

i watched a highlight reel of one of their games and ttupperware was acc rlly good

[@LawOfNewton7]

Much love to Syd and DSG

[@fahn.k.3348]

The majority does view this as a positive thing. I'm part of the twitter war Syd mentioned haha... and the shit talk I see are actually mostly from some GC players (just some!) who are narrow minded, misunderstood the intention of the team, and gatekeep other girls just because they're from a different root. Like, I hope they seek therapy if they're going to oppressed other girls like that.

[@rudehoney8390]

I know they logic goes that there are jerks and ignorant people in all niches, etc, so don't take any that we encounter as representative of the whole.... but still, to hear and see that the gatekeeping, arrogance, and selfishness is so whiny has been disheartening. I watched one of them keep on insisting they were completely respectful and not jealous, with no empathy for the impact of their actions -- e.g. hurting people like Syd expressed -- and not even realizing exactly the insight that Syd called out that was plain to see from the facts and reality everybody else knew: they were just upset they didn't get on Toast's team, because they thought that they deserved it.

[@kimchully]

i don't even know wtf is gc till dsg said they had another team... i was like huh gc?????? now i do bcs of dsg

[@i_have_yd6479]

Going off from toasts video that came out explaining things. It sounds like the tournament and other teams are happy about the new team's involvement cause it gets eyes on the event and to these up and coming teams. Which I highly doubt the people complaining even thought or care about

[@kimchully]

@i_have_yd6479 these ppl just mad at him for having 1 pro player and 4 streamers which it's understandable but he literally ask for 1 pro player so it's their problems that they can't read... anyways can't wait to see this team journey btw

[@btchpls6363]

I don't even know what is gc too, I thought it was group chat at first. and I was like "WHAT? theres girls valorant?" and im happy for it

[@onmymind3645]

Then you not a valorant viewer /player but a content consumer

[@TPK_MAKG]

@OnMyMind content consumers like him make up the majority of the audience who watches tourneys and such. The amount of people who WILL watch the GC because of this team will be on a different level as compared to before.

[@howaboutdat]

Just hope they manage to sort out their schedules soon & get some scrims/practice with their coach going. Only 5 days until their first match & they still aren’t fully clear about their roles or comming.

[@josealfonso5260]

The jellyfish girl that started the drama didnt apologize for her misunderstanding Toasts intentions and gatekept DSGs GC team but apologized for hurting people for her opinion. Arrogant much?

[@trayvixk4642]

literally everyone in the valorant scene is gonna watch GC and be soo invested. we're all excited about it because I never even heard about before Toast was recruiting. but i think that is just a few seeing it as a bad thing with twitter drama. Lowkey i might be more hyped about watching this team than Toast's other team.

[@onmymind3645]

Then after they get knocked out viewer will go back down. Will they stream gc even when they are not playing? Til finals?

[@wento1529]

@@onmymind3645 you don't get it my man. if out 500 viewers 10-20 would stay. that's still a win. how are you gonna sell a product if you don't want people to see it first?

[@onmymind3645]

@@wento1529 lets see who doesnt get it after gc. Its still a lose for viewers. Content wins at the expense of pros/competitve scene

[@wento1529]

@@onmymind3645 meh. i don't want to argue with you. you are one of those narrow-minded people who want to keep on staying in their own bubble. the scene has been stagnant for a while and when someone makes a change (whether the outcome is good or bad, at least they tried something). You would actually respond "I told you so". have a good day brother!

[@onmymind3645]

@@wento1529 stop saying its for the good of the league when its about content. Just say it as it is. Play as 5 streamers and use any other name than a "pro" team name. 10 to 20 viewers? Lol changes? Use pro league for content is not change. If you really want to help the league then stream commentate all games regardless if you play or not

[@iLL_WiLL_]

These are the same type of people that give shit to Sykkuno when he gets invited to certain events. People just can't be happy for others for some reason. "Oh they're so undeserving; it should have been me, or my friend, or my streamer, or my team." It's like guys just chill the fuck out and leave people alone. There's a multitude of ways for people to be in E-sports other than just be a professional player.

[@lostvayn7516]

streaming scrims against them is a win-win for the other teams they got exposure and practice at the same time

[@oldmatttv]

There is a chance of bigger changes in the future to make esports (and gamechangers) more viable and widely appealing, and this will all help it even if it wouldn't dramatically change anything yet. Whoever is against this move and is voicing their displeasure about it are going to find themselves having been on the wrong side of positive change and progress.

[@BlueHundred1]

People are just mad for no good reason

[@josephcraffigan8489]

I thought this was a conversation until they started talking over each other lol

[@Kudejikashi]

ive heard more than half of gc players are around ascendant, which if true im pretty sure jodi is immortal

[@kyosmic]

At least the gatekeeper finally deleted her tweets lol.

[@novercalis4846]

who was it? i dont do twitter and dont know much about the valo scene

[@Kabra2012]

the OP is getting roasted so hard, she had to delete her follow-up tweet announcing that she deleted her instigating tweet

[@LockeyThirteenYuuYA]

@@novercalis4846 someone named Irene/jellyfish something.

[@missbiskwit5949]

i was actually looking for her tweets a few hours ago, and I couldn't find it on twitter. i just saw her tweets when tarik reacted to it.

[@ad_kk16]

@@novercalis4846 jellyfishval

[@universedonut159]

I learned about GC through Toast, Rae and everyone on DSG except Tupperware, who I'm new to but have heard of, through the content they filmed. So they brought my attention to this event and it was so fun to cheer them on with Rae's chat. Eff any gatekeeping, they played well and brought their online communities attention to it. Honestly, those so-called points they've had to discuss are baseless nonsense. Go DSG and hope to see you guys play again💫

[@prefontaine2790]

I got halfway through this video before realizing she was talking over a VOD & not having a conversation with him. I was like damn they both just talk over each other like crazy.

[@27stanley]

People getting mad about an OPEN QUALIFIER SPOT where ANYONE can sign up. Smh

[@randyazucena7718]

agree. bro the F/A players can build their own team and if they win open qualifier they might get sponsors. lol. they just mad for no reason at all. toast just helping GC and he's getting hate for it

[@nightradical1459]

Love this! so optimistic!!

[@nation0724]

DSG vs SHFT X ELLEfps was so insane on the OP on Haven, and tupperware is so good. I would't have seen all of that if it wasn't for kyedae, Syd, Jodi, Tenzin and that one guy who owns the team.

[@ConTroll87]

Didn’t even know what game changers was. Until this video.

[@lesarandmira3689]

Don't mind those haters...they would get offended for anything you do for no reason. You girls have fun and try your best and maybe you might make if far in the tournament.

[@gytzero]

hope they won't get distracted anymore by this nonsense, people will always find out ways to get mad

[@sasivasebas]

Preach!!! queen!!!

[@coryford7440]

They are doing more good for gc than any other team or player could. These 5 ladies have clout and enough talent to have fun and potentially win some games. GC HAS VIEWERSHIP BECAUSE OF THEM.

[@Panster7]

Oh the irony of someone who claimed to be "care for the growth of the scene" but trying really hard to gatekeep new people(with shit ton of clout that they will bring to the scene) out

[@cyrus_76]

People do have a lot of free time criticizing an org for selecting players for an open qualifier. Like let's be real you wanted clout more than the spot.

[@paglo89]

It's so dumb, because I never heard of GC before that, and now I might actually watch some games

[@DANIELCHATONAVARROH]

SYD the goat

[@GoodnotGreat88]

I didnt realize there was drama, the only thing I heard was they are not serious because they are streamers. When I heard that I didnt realize they were as high ranked as they are. I thought it was like plat streamers in a pro event. But Ascendent/Immortals is a different story.

[@freddie4682]

People just enjoy complaining with no knowledge on the matter, that’s the cesspool of Twitter.

[@Forsxk3n]

It's a little bit complicated, I tend to understand both sides. As someone experienced and dedicated in a profession you'd expect to be the first choice compared to an intern still learning the ropes. However... It's toasts team and he decides, hell if he picked a bunch of trolls.... Still his team and his decision, imagine being mad about how someone uses their money and time. Like what's stopping you from making a team?

[@juicywawa]

“Roll me please”

[@Carlos-dm5fo]

I think some people having an issue with a content team being thrown into gc is they think it diminishes the work other players are putting in lot the game when a streamer with less experience and lots more clout can join after a couple discord conversations. Disclaimer: I couldn’t give a shit what happens in gc, unless someone from there gets picked up to join a tier one team.

[@dh9975]

It’s called OPEN qualifiers for a reason.

[@glum006]

Which pro players complained? I went through the thread and I couldn’t find any pro players who complained just some random twitter trolls

[@ashu1707]

7:10 HOW U HATIN FROM OUTSIDE DA CLUB

[@oiyoi6974]

ppl are wilding over nothing, a huge clout team joining a womens tournament is great cuz game changers will get noticed more & bring more attention to women in esports, theres literally nothing bad abt this 💀

[@mikeoath9541]

I feel like everytime this sort of gatekeeping happens its always women. Men do it too but to a much lesser extent, we know that competition is competition, even if DSG team takes the spot it means they were better than the others? Are you that not confident in yourself that any amount of competition has you calling it unfair? But alas this DSG team brings nothing but spotlight and more attention to GC. Its only wins and no cons. Also this goes huge in even established sports like basketball and football. Female players have refused regulation changes of smallers balls, pitches or shorter rim size just to be the same as men when accepting our physical differences could make up for much more enjoyable viewing experience for fans and draw higher views and more money.

[@TheOnetreehill11]

Shut up

[@shanyaoliew4669]

Honestly its just haters hating as per usual they have made multiple good points over a few days wrt the discourse, and ALL of the arguments against this move make 0 sense actually hilarious streaming the scrims can potentially boost the respective team's fame and renown so much more than winning the GC without toast creating this whole hoohah about it if someone cant understand that, they arent probably mentally mature enough for the internet imagine trying to cancel people that actively bring so many benefits to an otherwise quietly niche community

[@grod6998]

I think the backlash is more targeted towards privilege and attitude of the CC took on competitive gaming more than just their skill level. Their whole laid back attitude of them just saying over and over that its all shits and giggles for content while there is 100s of players who are trying to break out into the franchise league is almost disrespectful. Everyone has the right to play but you cant bring in a laid back attitude to a league full of passionate players and fanbase.

[@bread4799]

All these iron players think they know about everything.🤧🤧

[@Brandon0421]

She has a face of a Disney princess.

[@Rich-ms8dm]

Start your own team. Simple

[@bullsharkTM]

Gaming has always been competitive, regardless of gender. And it goes beyond just the games - as proven by this drama :/

[@bakicci]

tbh alotta gamer women in the scene are pick me girls, used to trashing on other women and it rlly sucks to see but it do be a thing hopefully things change going forth tho

[@justinmsc5]

Toast just making some short term content. Should be interesting.

[@Robiness]

I get why these people have a big chip on their shoulder about not being taken seriously but damn thing before you speak sis. No need to bring other women down

[@Ianthe22]

Well, I think they can raise certain concerns about it and then toast and company can counter argument or give an answer to it, which they did. The thing is "some people" weren't entertained by it and that is their opinion. Just keep it up. Who cares about them. I think most people can see past that shit and see the entertainment and idea of this project.

[@JasperDc90]

she mad that she toast didnt signed her lmao

[@scott8934]

6:25 - listen man…. They are free to make a team. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. That said, most pro teams are made of people that climb to and STAY in radiant. High radiant. That said, I think they could potentially get better playing as a team, but as they are NOW, they’re going to get smoked. I’m sorry….. I used to play for an overwatch school team as masters 3800, thought I could hang if we had premade coms. I got fucking rolled at national games. Experienced the effect first hand. I hope they do well, that would be sick, but they’re definitely underdogs here.

[@santiagolopez2166]

Look at the female team that played in Russia, they went 0/28, that is what happens when a team that does not has the required level plays. Ruining 5 people chances.

[@Chknwa]

They did have the requirements…. It was open qualifiers and they still had openings after dsg was signed

[@Iam0pti]

Most of this I think is childish, but the argument "They are ranked higher than you. Talk when you get X rank" is just terrible. Just because you are not or have not been something doesn't mean you can't criticize someone who are.

[@k3myst21]

Its just Irene, a salty entitled nobody complaining and being a Karen about it.

[@ian.9054]

As someone whos about to scrim against you tomorrow i dont like how you stream scrims because it leaks what the other team is trying to do. im unaware if you already told our manager that you're streaming it but... if you guys havent told them i dont really like that aspect about that. but apart from that i love what you guys are doing. ok nevermind i just rewatched it you tell us beforehand im braindead lmfao

[@jinri_p1042]

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@ashleydsouza9694]

It’s the the commitment factor for me. DSG claiming to have a team knowing it’s going to dissolve in less than a year is for clout. That’s fine but don’t make it a big deal that you have a competitive team

[@Kabra2012]

Team rosters switch out all the time. The team is still a team

[@becklindholm8401]

Are you new to esports? Rosters change and teams dissolve all of the time.

[@devin6437]

Half the team is boosted

[@Taker415]

I rather pick up and coming streamers not all big streamers I mean some streamers and people outside of streamers are better than these big streamers. I guess nobody is perfect in the recruiting process. I wish esports and competitive teams have one big streamers each Like physical sports does they have least couple star's on their team why not in esports or competitive play.. 😅

[@copd9130]

and then imagine the uproar when he reveals he's not paying these up and coming players. He can't ever win lol. I'm sure it was easier to choose 4 of his friends who happen to be content creators because they'd more easily agree to the non-payment part of the gig.

[@TheFrev]

@@copd9130 Even worse, not paying the women, but he is paying the men. People would try to cancel him for being sexist. People can't seem to think about more than themselves. Disguised Toast and Ludwig got me watching pro valorant. That is because it gave context to the wins and loses. If you are attached to a team, you will watch and root for that team. Watching without the attachment isn't exciting to most people. That is why many people will watch their football team's games, but not other teams. Ludwig and Toast make the game interesting for their fans. And when they get eliminated, people may stick around to watch the other teams. For such a young esport, this is a great way to grow the fanbase. Both of them are benefiting the scene and that will mean more viewers and more money for the players. This is a good thing for them, if they only think about it.

[@da-yh3uy]

well there are clearly set pre-reqs, being ascendant, and half the team was boosted to that rank

[@muskankataria]

But why does it matter it's still an open qualifier anyone with ascendant or above can take part. Even if they lose horribly it's still a fun event to take part in. I mean I didn't even know what gc was and I heard about it from this team

[@Ghoul-ku3mi]

Well name them then you silver player 😂😂 stfu

[@da-yh3uy]

Okay. Yes it’s an open qualifier. Yes the minimum rank is ascendant. Half the team is boosted to ascendant. With that logic let me get some pro to also boost my diamond ass to immortal so I can qualify for a team for open qualifier challenger league.

[@itugi7072]

​@@da-yh3uy Who's boosted to ascendant?

[@AsmaHt]

Lmao none of them are boosted, they all grinded val on stream.

[@HDWrestlingUploader]

They are gonna get smoked

[@TheBlink182ify]

so?...

[@HDWrestlingUploader]

@@TheBlink182ify just saying

[@yeetpotatoes69420]

Always gotta have that one guy...

[@lila9349]

that's a win-win if it happens

[@greasygrass39]

smoked in what? They'll still get views regardless. Dont even know why the bronzies view this as a loss at all

[@gerry._.y]

there wont be problem if we all ignore twitter