Symposia | Ep. 8: The White Tribes-Europe’s Legacy in South Africa | Part I

[@DuneSurfer]

As a conservative Boer Brit that left South Africa to survive. I tread on a more realistic level when I say, don’t hang around the upper middle class to get opinions. Those people are disconnected from reality. It’s nice staying in a nice place but if you want to understand Afrikaner Boer history. What’s truly happening in Africa where global western roles are swapped outside of SA, then connect with every day people. It will counter western perspectives. Privileged people live in cocoons, in SA and globally which is part of the problem with opinions, media and perceptions.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

100% agree. Is exactly the problem with politicians. Thwy live in an alternate universe, completely removed from the average person.

[@CHIEF-T]

@DuneSurfer Amen brother, they tend to float above the rest of us espousing opinions they could only have behind their security and tall walls

[@stormeharris4924]

A boer brit? OK

[@user-ec8ud3rz6u]

You managed to say what I was thinking. I add, all depends on what bubble you are living within. I left because of AA so i could survive. Hijacked, house broken into etc. Retired now and wont go back. Cry my beloved country.

[@thulimalebane6911]

@@DuneSurfer this statement is 100%

[@joedonner9476]

I grew up in that part of SA in a town very similar to Graaff-Reinet. Had the most wonderful childhood. It's a shame the ANC utterly failed our country. We all hoped for a bright future in 1994, but it was in vain.

[@werewolvesandfriendsuk]

In 1978 we immigrated from the UK to a South African farm in the Magaliesberg Mountains in the Transvaal. My Mother was a UK trained nurse so we set up a clinic. My god what an eye opener - all the workers lived on the farm in compounds so there were hundreds of workers, the std's, the burns, scalds, whitlows, infections, stabbings, attacked with a pick axe, and quite a few murders and finding dead bodies. I personally as a boy with pet dogs found two deceased people. Muti medicine, superstition, the Tokooshe. Zulu boss boys and Xhosa talkers. As an African said to me " The Afrikanner is rude to your face but has the decency to stab you in the chest whereas you English are charming to our faces and stab us in the back." 20 thousand murders a year, 10's of thousands of sexual assaults - Africa is not Europe and the cultural mores and social contracts and tacit agreements are not the same. What has happened too Eskom?

[@bradleyheissmann4538]

Tens of thousands sexual assaults per year? Lmao. There's tens of thousands per day. Go into any sketchy area of any city, and just people watch from your car. Especially around the time of lunch or getting off work. Without fail, you will see a woman get groped, etc.

[@Veronica-xt2ke]

And who was killing who?

[@CHIEF-T]

Closer to 30000 and the commenter left it rather vague but it is overwhelmingly black on black violence due to the poverty here, which is at present 99% the governments fault and responsibility at this point, and the blood is squarely on the ANCs hand

[@lawrencealbertyn1348]

I still live there and it is worse than ever with governed owned land every so many plots filled with squatter camps

[@werewolvesandfriendsuk]

@@Veronica-xt2ke Blacks and coloureds mostly killing each other but whitey did a bit of killing too.

[@Jan-t8p]

I live in the Eastern Cape about 12 km from where my ancestors were settled in 1820, six generations ago. I am African and very proud of it.

[@mash288]

No you not, you are a European descendant. Everything about you is European

[@iancanada6875]

@@mash288European descendant is not the same as European. He is African, of European decent. Just like how white Americans are still American, but of European decent. Being African and of European decent is not mutually exclusive.

[@jam-fam]

South African sure, but not African, you are European, and there is nothing wrong with that. And you will always be South African, no one can take that away from you, even if they tried it would be empty words because we would never allow that. But you are not of African descent if you are not, you are of European descent.

[@frankley187]

We're all originally African, all of us

[@frankley187]

​@mash288 you can know nothing about deep human history to say this

[@RamonMarais-k2k]

I will say this. I may be of European descent, but I am as little a European as an American of Irish descent is. I am African. Never been out of Africa and I need not do so, I belong right here.

[@Trenchwarsoldier-x5v]

That is because you Dutch! Most Boers are not of Europe but of Africa. 1652 is not the beginning of South Africa, South Africa and its people began in Egypt and Europes Christian’s came along through the centuries, because if the Spanish Inquisition and Europes colonialism whites spread South… Europe lives to overlook its own history

[@talloolahmoon]

@@Trenchwarsoldier-x5vplease explain?

[@BoskoBuha99]

Rhodesia is a lesson waiting to happen in SA... hope i'm wrong but i wouldnt feel safe living in that country...

[@talloolahmoon]

@ in which country?

[@polo1012005]

Absolutely! Imagine an African American sent to Africa? It’s like a fish out of water. Africa is home to different folks. It is rich in culture, language and history. Black Man here

[@kraaidievoel]

The Englishspeaking farmers in the Eastern Cape is some of the best people you could come across in the world.

[@PhansiKhongoloza]

Not as nice as us Natal people 😊

[@nicmemak]

Not as nice as the karoo afrikaner farmers.

[@MarnusvdMerwe]

100%

[@jamesgroenewald7094]

@@PhansiKhongoloza 😆😆😊😊

[@orion7592]

Lovely documentary. Coloured guy here - a little long in the tooth, but yeah. I think we need more reflections, more experiences, more interaction, and more discourse, much like that between the participants of this presentation. Godspeed to all. Love you...

[@joaofrancisco6512]

My grandfather was a sailor who lived in Mozambique. He used to tell me stories about how fertile and beautiful the land was. He loved farming. Only a very tiny minority of Portuguese people are still there.

[@bluesky521]

Yes but they are still well represented here in Port Elizabeth. Rich culture good food

[@harduspretorius4961]

This is a great personal and shared experience story well told, absolutely great video. Thank you for spreading this message about hunting and conservation. Very much looking forward to pt2

[@geoffreylotz3661]

Mt earliest ancestor arrived in Cape Town in 1676, the earliest recorded birth of an ancestor in the country was in 1702.....I am African, even in my DNA. 26 burglaries and 2 farm attacks later, I live in Europe now. 3 of my 4 sons have also left South Africa....we are just looking for a safe environment in which to raise families and live out our days. South Africa and South Africans are amazing and beautiful, but there has not been a decent government since WW2. It's over......

[@lovedlover2667]

😂😂😂 dna??? Looools

[@youngmielo8733]

Ending apartheid was the best thing that happend to South africa - allowing the ANC to take over with so much authority was the biggest mistake

[@lovedlover2667]

😂😂😂

[@thabomuso2575]

All ethnic groups are necessary and needed in South Africa and contributes to the coutry. Nelson Mandela made that very clear himself.

[@michaellawson6533]

Its sad to see kudus still being hunted anywhere even old bulls. We had a farm outside Leeu Gamka and at times kudu would drink at the sheep drinking trough 200m from our house. it was a privilege to encounter them and watching them jump the 6ft fence with such ease and grace.

[@adriaanroux736]

Game farming and hunting are synonomous Without hunting there would be no game farms No kudus Hunting and culling is an integral part of of ensuring all sorts of game is conserved

[@michaellawson6533]

@@adriaanroux736 Those are NOT game farms. Those are cattle and sheep farms with free ranging kudu in the wild. They should be left alone because they are few and far between in SA.

[@adriaanroux736]

​@@michaellawson6533not entirely correct In the area where I live in the early 70s the Conservation Authority populated the cattle farms with roughly 7 kudu per farmFree range Their range extends more than 2ookm east to west and north to south we have found them jn town 50km Just this year the CA issued a permut for the capture of +250 of these kudu That excludes the number of hunting permits issued On a 290 ha cattle farm in Nov we counted 16 free range kudu I can assure you this was only a very small sample of the total population

[@lovedlover2667]

That's how u know they are not native of the land...they have weird hearts

[@lovedlover2667]

That's how u no there's nothing african about them

[@conorgraafpietermaritzburg3720]

Absolutely EXCELLENT in all sorts of ways for all sorts of reasons, such inspiring messages about so many things!😅

[@jamesgroenewald7094]

Sort of the same old same old. IMO there is a general failure to understand the root problem of South Africa. The issue has never really been the inequality between the political rights and the distribution of surplus between blacks and whites, that is, a political-economic problem. It has always been and still is an anthropological problem. Simply put, on their arrival from Europe in the 1650s, the whites were citizens of a culture sailing all over the globe. At the same time, the Indigenous inhabitants were either hunter-gatherer clans or pastoral tribes. The white's cultural engagement with their origins ensured that their development kept pace. The Indigenous inhabitants resisted integration and held onto their tribal cultures. After Britain took control of the Cape Province during the early 1800s, the British Industrial Revolution had a large influence the Cape Colony. The resistance to this influence resulted in the Boers migrating into the hinterland where they contested with Indigenous inhabitants for the same economic resources, land for agriculture, and cattle. At this point, white cultural development split, and the Boers are often referred to as the White Tribe of Africa. This White Tribe's culture was obliterated during the Boer War of 1899-1902 and these whites had no option but to integrate with the British Industrial Revolution-based culture, while the Indigenous inhabitants continued to refuse integration. At the beginning of the 20th century the total number of inhabitants (black and white) numbered ±7 million, of which 1 million were whites. After the Second World War, the population had grown to ±25 million with whites 3 - 4 million and the Indigenous inhabitants ± 20 million. Two issues had developed by this time; the tribal lands occupied by the Indigenous inhabitants could no longer support the increased population and, as a result of the war and industrial development, a shortage of labour arose in the white part. This resulted in a migration of black people from the tribes to the townships, which played the integrating role of Indigenous inhabitants into the globally dominant Western Culture. (remember the statement 100% employment?) While this migration remained at a manageable pace - by 1980 only 6 million Indigenous inhabitants lived around the white metropolises - the economy grew at a sufficient pace to accomodate the process, but then events overtook us. The Indigenous inhabitant population doubled and the existing modern economy - built for whites by whites while the Indigenous inhabitants resisted abandoning their tribal cultures - is unable to cope with the demands made on the surplus it generates, which has resulted in the decline of services for all. The big question is: how do you change the majority's tribal culture into a modern culture with not enough money? Do you do it in the way in which Mao trashed a millennial old Chinese culture with his little Red Book? Or in the way the British did the Boer culture? Fortunately for the Boers of 1900, they were able to integrate into a self-sustaining and expanding economy, but the Indigenous inhabitants didn't have the foresight to see down the centuries of what was to come and refused that option. Do we have the leadership to manage this process now? Time will tell...

[@dinavincent260]

I read your post with great interest. As you say, time will tell.

[@riccij7754]

The black tribes in Africa had already built major cities and architectural feats like the great pyramid along the Nile river long before Europeans had done anything of note, so your "Africans were primitive" reasoning doesn't stand to scrutiny. There are also ships built by Africans far older than any ship built by Europeans. Furthermore, there are architectural ruins dating to the medieval period in Zimbabwe, just north of South Africa, clear evidence of organised, settled societies. Some Europeans attempt to use this same argument in the Americas, yet there were cities bigger than anything found in Europe in central America when the Spanish got there. Europeans were just better at war and killing.. and fashioned their technology in this area. Don't be ashamed of it. It allowed Europeans to conquer most of the world and have a great 500 years. But every group around the world has had their time and will do so again. That's just how things work.

[@jamesgroenewald7094]

@@riccij7754 True, but not in Southern Africa from 1800 until the present day. A big mistake is to conflate the South African indigenous populations, all speaking their own languages and having their own customs, with English speaking westernized Afro Americans. They are the equivalent of First Nations, which western governments are now bending over backwards to accommodate. The Whites in South Africa never exterminated the Indigenous populations. On the contrary, the Indigenous peoples increased from 7 million to 53 million in a century. It is this 53 million that now have to recreate themselves so as to survive let alone thrive in a world about to be dominated by AI etc.

[@RichardEnglander]

​@riccij7754 no, Ancient Egyptians like King Tut were R1b1a2 haplogroup, not sub-saharan Africans.

[@fede-HaitiaNAmericAnrimeircs91]

I congratulate you because everything you said is totally false.

[@CHIEF-T]

I want to say that I truly appreciate this video from a South African and the people in it, but I do want to throw in and say that saying NINETY FIVE % of venison is thrown away is woefully ignorant maybe in Britain yes, but at least as far as I've seen here in Limpopo and North West having been in and around farms all my life since birth, not a single testicle goes to waste, even if the animal isn't eaten by the hunter it is sure as hell being eaten by either the farmer or his staff, wasting meat in our farming culture is a cardinal sin, we mince it, we sausage it, we turn it into biltong a lot of farmers eat liver/heart/kidneys hell it's one of the first thing we feed strangers because it's funny to see their reaction, I appreciate the methodology these Brits are using for their farming and I wish a lot more farmers would do so but please don't throw shade where there is only farmers trying to do their best and weather both the WEATHER and regulation/bureaucracy that is being imposed by government left right and centre, money may grow on trees for them but when they lose, they lose BIG TIME and profit margins are often very very small and only seldom a lot

[@RichardEnglander]

Erm, why do you think the British throw it away? That isn't what happens, it gets eaten!

[@CHIEF-T]

@@RichardEnglander tis the way he made it sound

[@lovedlover2667]

These are griidy farmers...why do u eant to unalive for a sport...these ppl are strange n truelly not african allien always thirsty for red water 🤔

[@franskampman9668]

Well said !!

[@jancovanderwesthuizen8070]

If black people csn be part of Europe, I sure as shit can be part of Africa ❤

[@GM-gh4dk]

It's probably the most best and most balanced portrait of South Africa I've seen. Thanks

[@jamesstenning9390]

13 minutes in and loving Williams pov

[@EckardBerry]

Now enjoy that lovely piece of land you are enjoying, then wait for someone from government to come and inform you that the land is no longer yours, it now belongs to someone else from whom the land was supposedly stolen however many years ago. You will soon find all the gentlemens' speech and reasonableness taught to you at Sandhurst, your masters degree and everything you are will be of no avail - When they want what they want they will take it by force, and if they can't take it they will destroy it cause if they can't have it then you can't either.

[@AnneliedeWet]

Alway THEY. Who are they?

[@Claudia-ie3gu]

Reeks of zionism

[@joyholtzhausen8976]

​@@Claudia-ie3guuntil you experience it

[@bradleynewall7541]

​@@Claudia-ie3guSpeak to Johan Rupid and the Opinhiemers about globalism and Zionism

[@Crown-pts]

@@EckardBerry you mean land grabs like in Palestine?

[@davidroux7987]

The banru invaded from the north.

[@JP-qn4uo]

Bantu

[@thulimalebane6911]

Yeah we did..2000 years ago,around the time Christ was born..you found us here,thank you very much..

[@ohlangeni]

Black South Africans are 50% Bantu, 50% KhoiSan. In fact, majority of Black South African women are majority KhoiSan (mtDNA) in direct descent. See SA Human Genome Programme 2021

[@Gidi66]

The bushmen from the northwest (along the coast next to the namib desert) and the Bantu came here through northeast through modern day Zimbabwe and Mozambique. Europeans came from the Cape and later into the interior as far North as the Mozambique, Zimbabwe and South African border (the British Cape governor forward settled/colonised Zimbabwe (then called Rhodesia to prevent Afrikaner/Boer from continued North ward expansion. Indians and Chinese have been coming from the east moving into the nation, nowadays it's mostly Chinese and some other smaller groups of east Asians.

[@thulimalebane6911]

@@Gidi66 The San have been around here for thousands of years,the Khoi-khoi,a little less than that. The Bantu have been here for about 2000 years,co-existing with the San and Khoi,even inter-marrying and living side by side, mostly peacefully. It's the white settlers who committed systematic genocide against the San by hunting them like animals. The last licence for hunting San people was issued in 1937. This narrative that we all arrived here at the same time and that the land was empty when Europeans arrived is nonsense and it's a white washing of history. What you're trying to make us all believe is that colonialism never happened. That you guys never stole the land or killed anyone to get it. Pretty sure this was started by the apartheid government from 1948 to justify the past. What I would do to see a history textbook from 1958.

[@Starsky1413]

This was absolutely brilliant. Well done man. Loved it. Very deep and very true. If the animals pay…they stay. It’s economics and it correct.

[@they365]

These videos are works of art. Are you familiar with Gurdjieff, Sebastian? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on his work.

[@LionelBarnard-s6y]

What is cattle doing in the Karoo?

[@Gidi66]

Grasing, eating, the Karoo while arid still has greens, the Greater Karoo is the wider area from the Southern tip of the Namib desert to it's furthest extend into the Northern Cape, here in the Northern Cape the Namib desert meets local rivers and frequent rains causing it to be somewhat green and somewhat dry, tube to this the majority of the province is under populated and as a result large parts is used for animal rearing.

[@marc_kotze]

some of the pioneers of regenerative farming have roots in Graaff-Reinet

[@marc_kotze]

John Acocks, Middelburg, nearby...

[@oneplot5132]

i 100 % agree that we should all move on, but lets not fool ourselves, the European attempted to replicate in Africa what they did to the natives in the Americas, and Australia . it was Bantu resistance that swept them back. they won so now lets move on

[@ohlangeni]

Correct. During Apartheid they attempted genocide by AIDS/HIV during the 1980s.

[@mikebellis5713]

Nonsense

[@fede-HaitiaNAmericAnrimeircs91]

is true

[@ohlangeni]

They attempted conmunicable disease (HIV / AIDS) population collapse on Africans in Southern Africa. You are correct

[@lovedlover2667]

They underestimate how huge africa

[@CharlesRexElizabethRegina]

I emigrated from the UK to SA just a few months ago and am looking forwards to putting down roots in the beautiful Montagu. A fantastic documentary and thank you for casting some positive light on this part of the world.

[@talloolahmoon]

Welcome to our hostile country

[@lovedlover2667]

U won't last 😂😂

[@DixieBanjo]

Ending apartheid was a disaster for South Africa.

[@zolanidingaan2511]

Come here and try to bring it back white boy

[@andrewmakin8151]

you are on another planet of your own delusional making.

[@Broooooo-ww7hw]

No it wasn't

[@leosonbentley2770]

There is no hope for people like you. Reconciliation was a mistake

[@marc_kotze]

you'll have throw bigger bait than that, boet! 🤦🏽

[@BoskoBuha99]

Sadly Orania is the only safe place left in that country...

[@riccij7754]

There's Europe too??

[@wahwah7701]

White South Africans rather die in South Africa than to move to Europe. Why is that If SA is such a sh*t hole?

[@lovedlover2667]

Not for long 😂 the nigerians r coming

[@sirromtrebor]

Lord Aderley also denied 1500 prisoners port of discharge at The Cape. Sending them off to Terra Australis.

[@vmaxmadness]

Good work.

[@justinhall7489]

Wow wow wow

[@papoarchitecture]

Well done! Well experienced for I have just about touched and shared in it as if I was there with you; shooting last forty years ago, almost as long ago roughing it in nature not as grand as Africa, the life and purpose of your guide and most of all your generously revealed restless mind and spirit. Thank you!

[@thanksleft]

Why dont you try europe?

[@mar0364]

If there were podcasts and KZbin back then you could have countered the narrative.

[@kabzaify]

We Batswana/Basotho originate in Gauteng. The North West, Northern Cape, limpopo, Free State, Gauteng, Botswana, Kingdom of Lesotho, Half of Zambia and part of Namibia is all our land

[@lawrencealbertyn1348]

So you guys invaded from the north. Have you given the lands that you invaded back? Or do we move forward rather from where we are and try to live in harmony?

[@GM-gh4dk]

Opening lines of the Fredom Charter: We, the People of South Africa, declare for all our country and the world to know: that South Africa belongs to all who live in it. Your statement is itself a racist/tribal perspective which is a direct result of colonial policy. I love you as a friend and brother/sister regardless and hope that you will come to see that most people just want to live together in peace.

[@kabzaify]

@@GM-gh4dk My people exited before the British parliament declared the state of South Africa in 1909

[@tinusvandeventer6430]

You must be Khoisan then and not Basotho.

[@kabzaify]

@GM-gh4dk The unity of Sotho/Tswana people is no treat to Union of South Africa.

[@daveweiss5647]

Great video! Thanks!

[@johnfranke3399]

♥

[@tsiyanebantundlovu4814]

🗣️🎙️So they finished the wild animals in South Africa as well, over hunting. Those now extinct migrating bucks were fertilizing the soil whilst grazing😅😅😅.

[@lovedlover2667]

These ppl are not african one inch of them trully aylen

[@JohnWagenaar-g2h]

Jaa well no fine 😊

[@tsiyanebantundlovu4814]

🗣️🎙️@23:54 Here's your answer. Isaiah 14:21 📖KJV1611; Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquitie of their fathers........, Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity. That's real REPARATIONS. No one is going to get away with anything. Praise 🙌🏿 The Lord God Almighty😅😅😅.

[@Phil-du7zc]

Beautifulvideo.theproductionqualtiyandaestheticsaretoonotchandthecontentisjustterriblybeautiful

[@MZEEWA255]

The elder Gentleman was very well spoken, the host touting nonsense like Afrikaners have been in South Africa longer than Zulus was laughable! History clearly shows Zulus and other Bantu’s have been in South Africa going on 3000 years! And Khoi and San people have been there for thousands of years!

[@adriaanroux736]

Clearly you dont know your history

[@GM-gh4dk]

Well, certainly there were bantu people before Europeans, but this is a matter of definitions. As a scholar of history, you'll know that the Zulu we a conglomerate of tribes who were forcibly assimilated or dispersed by Shaka, from whom the name Zulu is derived, so in that sense white people predate this by some 200years. On the other hand, the 'Afrikaner' identity only emerged around 1900 due to the trauma of the anglo-boer war, so in that respect you are correct. On the 3000 year claim, could you share some evidence? Not trying to be malicious here. The earliest date I'm aware of is the emergence of Mapongubwe around 1200, but not to say that there weren't people before. Clearly, if we go down the path of 'who's first' the San would win by an order of magnitude.

[@ohlangeni]

​@@GM-gh4dk You guys peddle this Apartheid history forgetting no Zulu would go to Europe to tell Germans or English that they are not native in England or Germany since English and Germans are Europeans. Black South Africans are 50% KhoiSan, and 50% Bantu. Black South African women are majority KhoiSan in direct mtDNA descent. See the SA Human Genome Programme 2021. Bantu presence in South Africa dates from 200AD. Anglo-Saxon presence in England dates to circa 450 AD. No Zulu goes to England to hassle the English that they are not native there

[@Gidi66]

​@@GM-gh4dkfrom what I recall the san has been here since at least 20000 bc and the Bantu moved South was largely the Nguni (here in South Africa) that fractured in the 1600's and 1700's and smaller warring ethnic groups formed and the Zulu was officially founded by it's first monarch Shaka Zulu in the year 1816, that would mean that the Cape Colony being founded in 1652, that the Afrikaner has been in South Africa longer that the Zulu (as they didn't exist as an ethnic group before 1816) by at bare minimum 164 years.

[@GM-gh4dk]

@@Gidi66 That was exactly my point :) Thanks for providing accurate dates.

[@jfjoubertable]

The statement of evidence of the Afrikaner pre-dating the presence of Zulus demonstrates an ignorance beyond belief.

[@Ravishrex1]

What was the first tribe to settle SA?

[@Quakl3ons_Eyes]

The Khoisan for ~60000 years, the Bantu arrived around 500 AD reaching the Eastern Cape ~1500 AD, The Trek Boere and Xhosa settlers first encountered Eachother when they crossed the river which led to the century struggle staring in the 1700's, the ing if the Xhosa tribes was keen of establishing new territorial ground and the Trekboere wanted more fertile ground for their cattle. The pattern of immigration in the Western Half is, Khoisan, whites and south east asians, leading to Cape Coloureds, Indians and blacks, then East Asians were the last. In the Eastern Half, Khoisan, Bantu, whites and Griqua, Indians, and East Asians. The Khoisan tribes used to stretch all the way up between Angola and Kenya. The Bantu migration started around 2000 BC but had a great expansion starting 500 BC due to technological innovation and population growth. So in Southern Africa they were originally Khoisan, North West Africa were originally Bamtus up to Morocco. The Sahara and Mediterranean Coast had a alot of Migration from Europe and Arabia, and North Eastern Africa has its own Black ethnic group

[@ohlangeni]

​@@Quakl3ons_Eyes The Xhosa were certainly in the Eastern Cape by the 1100s. Their population was low. Stop peddling Apartheid history

[@lovedlover2667]

​@PlantLo4f59 yoooo such lysss

[@lowersaxon]

In the early seventies when I was a young boy and still un-political we were shown, on a daily basis for months if I remember correctly, nothing but violence against the blacks. After a few weeks I knew and understood what Apartheid and townships were. What we saw was teargas attacks, beatings by horsemen with the long sticks that the British allegedly used in India and fleeing blacks. Day by day the same scenario. The comments the tv people made were absolutely neutral, they just reported the facts. Let pictures speak, the presentation of the facts literally i s the critique of the facts, as K. Marx said. And that worked, that was propaganda at its best. The assessment of what was shown was left to you and it couldnt fail. You couldnt defend the indefendable. Things of this kind have changed a lot in the last decades. Nowadays you are told what to think very much obtrusively. I think that doesnt work very well and very often nothing but backfires. Maybe because its wrong anyway.

[@mensilak]

The White Tribes? funny

[@lovedlover2667]

😂😂😂😂 they like to ly to themselves

[@Earthmuffin2050]

Pathetic... such hubris. Makes me ashamed to be (DNA proof) European

[@tsiyanebantundlovu4814]

🗣️🎙️Settlers, huhhh😅what settlers. We're watching it in real life as it unravels over there in the so called middle east. South Africa narrowly escaped those missiles. It was just guns🤣🤣🤣.

[@riccij7754]

Actually, the Nguni people have been in the territory of what is modern South Africa for 7000 years, and in the Cape for approximately 2000 years, but yes the Khoi and San were there first. Disappointed with the attempt at a narrative spin there by the host. But South Africa has immense potential.

[@spiffinz]

Nelson Mandela was the worst thing to ever happen to that country

[@adelevisser8579]

Yes he was. But so is all his followers government. Sad that if you not born here...no one knows the truth 😢

[@lovedlover2667]

Nelson Mandela was called by God

[@adelevisser8579]

@@lovedlover2667 were is his name written?

[@marc_kotze]

Hwange, not Kruger?...

[@PhansiKhongoloza]

Wankie not Hwange

[@marc_kotze]

@PhansiKhongoloza that's the name it had during the Rhodesian regime...

[@PhansiKhongoloza]

@@marc_kotze indeed! Let's stick to that rather. Harare is a township outside of Salisbury.

[@marc_kotze]

@@PhansiKhongoloza🤣🤣

[@UnityFromDiversity]

Check out Caitlin de Ville, great SA musician.

[@handcrafted30]

Ahahahahajahaj is this fence electric 😂😂😂😂

[@giordanostramare]

the layeris saying that during apharteid the caountry was great and they had a lot of things and the goverment was so efficient. well well... when 90% of the population is basically enslaved is quite easy to make bifg progress for te remaining 10%, you don't really need to be so efficient,!!.Number were good but the price was unhuman! Beside that he is very wise.

[@lm_b5080]

older white south africans grew up very sheltered. even today i can say that our lifestyles are pretty much better than most european countries i've seen. this comes at a massive cost, chief of which is we have to live in protected enclaves. inequality is the greatest of all the f-ups that apartheid caused

[@giordanostramare]

@ I’m well aware of the situation, estate with electric fence and 24/7 are normality in the city. I felt like a prisoner sometimes. I agree with the old man when he said that most of the people are good people. Apartheid left a country built and designed to be devided in every aspect: tranport, education, infrastructure ecc. Compare to other country in Africa kept the richness in the country and didn’t exploit in favour of an European country, in a way was a form of homemade colonialism and the biggest challenge is going to be redistribute to everyone what was built for few. It’s not going to be easy. I deeply love SA, every time that land remind me how lucky I am, how beautiful wilderness can be, how to fight for equality and what is right. I underhand when he said “I don’t feel like I’m abroad”. Every time I felt like I was in a way at home, specially in remote area and in the wilderness I felt like I belonged there. Strange and beautiful at the amenities time.

[@michaellawson6533]

Culture, tradition , lack of skills etc all played a part in their lack of development before whites first met them. Whites didnt settle to parent those already there nor was it their right to do so. As such they were left alone and continued as before. That was until the mining and industry developed and medicines reduced death from malaria and the tsetse fly etc. In 1900 the demographics stood at about 300 000 whites, 250 000 coloureds, 200 000 Indians and 1, 3 million blacks. In 1834 Shaka the Zulu king killed 2,2 million black and by 1900 they had still not recovered.

[@PhansiKhongoloza]

Forgetting completely the real situation. Firstly you need to understand and accept the San and Khoi are the ONLY indigenous peoples of Southern Africa. Once you accept that fact you'll understand better. The Bantu are not indigenous to Southern Africa. In fact they arrived in SA AFTER the Boer. I need to break this up or utoop will delete. As they always do with factual posts........

[@PhansiKhongoloza]

Then keep in mind the Bantu arrived in South Africa naked and barefooted. He was still a stone age man with no concept of democracy, law and order, justice, education etc. No concept of the modern world at all. And that was a mere 200 years ago! As example the European was at that stage of evolution 10 000 years ago!