FFXIV 6.1 Trailer Reaction, Lore Analysis

Understanding the 12: • FFXIV Lore- Understan...
This was a great trailer! I hope everyone is looking forward to what we've got going on 6.1, I know I am! But with that I finally have a chance to relax on my uploads a bit. But I'll always be working on more lore, rest assured!
#ffxiv #6.1 #lore

[@SynodicScribe]

Disclaimer: This was my first time watching the trailer and was an unscripted reaction. Please don't take it as a lore video where I'm trying to be hyper analytical. It's just my dumb surface thoughts on an otherwise awesome trailer. This was just for fun.

[@latelotus]

Prediction. Something stopped the twelve from being summoned as primal for millenia. Whatever that something is, it's gone now, and they've got millenias worth of aether and prayers.

[@lysandre1861]

people at the end of the trailer you couldn't recognize were Nald'thal! only duo in the twelve and are probably the final boss of the first alliance raid

[@dakotadoyle7573]

That orb attack they have better be called Thal's Balls

[@taeniarex]

As an Ul'dahn, the only gods I really noticed in the trailer were them!

[@ClexYoshi]

Further adding to this is that this raid seems to take us through the 2nd and 3rd heaven; Byregot's Spire meant to soak up Rhalgar's destructive lightning and a city of gold that Azyma watches over so that the twin gods may continue to keep their prosperity in Balance.

[@Gogoglovitch]

Note that one of them has a halo of coins around his head, meaning that he's likely Nald, who governs prosperity in life. The other would then be Thal, who cover's Nald'thal's death god aspects -- the flames around his head might represent cremation pyres (as used by the Thaumaturges who handle his religion in Ul'dah).

[@lysandre1861]

its also directly stated in their description that they command fire and are the gods of commerce (fire and coins)

[@justinbowman1342]

I was under the impression the Scoins "publicy" disbanded but are actually still in operation so they once again can work in secret like did originaly.

[@Josua070]

It's more like their own works might help each other in some way, but they're not operating as they were before. At least, not until a new threat appears, one that's on the scale of the Final Days.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

They did publicly disband. They’re back to being a secret organization. But they are going their separate ways and help each other out when needed. So they’re supposedly not going to reconvene at the Rising Stones for a while. At least not to raise eyebrows.

[@shimasclan]

They are dealing with personal goals and desires, and are at the ready to defend the world if the Grand Company of Eorzea fails and they are called upon.

[@powerofk]

@@shimasclan This, plus even though they’re publicly disbanded, they’re still good friends with each other. In ARR, they’re more colleagues than anything, and the only one of the scions to call you a friend is Minfilia. And even with her, it’s more of a “You’re the only one here I can trust to be impartial” thing than anything else. The first person to really treat you as a friend is Haurchefaunt (which is part of the reason why his death stung so much). But, starting with Heavensward, Alphinaud and Tataru start seeing you as a friend and mentor, and eventually the others do as well. By Shadowbringers and especially Endwalker, you’re not just colleagues, you’re practically family. And so to completely forget about each other would be crazy.

[@Siforex2435]

My only wish for the 24 man is to them to make any allusion or mention about the patron deity we choose in the character creation

[@joonas4561]

9:04 Godbert actually references Hildi during his MSQ cameo if you've completed certain Hildibrand quests, by calling WoL his son's good friend. It's just a bit of dialogue that's easy to miss, but Hildibrand himself has been referenced in MSQ before.

[@nor8627]

Small theory little theory here, but I believe that the 12 are ultimately going to end up tied with whatever's going on with Silvertear Lake. We know that it's a source of an absolutely ton of aether, the explosion from the Agrius and Midgardsormr crashing into it caused the explosion that transformed Mor dhona, and aside from the shear amount of aether I don't believe we really know why it was so important that Hydaelyn made a deal with Midgardsormr to keep to protected. It being connected with the 12 in some one could help explain a few of these. Also, in the trailer there's a scene where Meteor and G'raha are walking together on the waters of Silvertear lake and disappear into a white light. While we did see G'raha in the trailer in Rhalgar's Reach as well, the special site for the Myths of the Realm section shows Meteor, G'raha, and a new character on the shores in Mor Dhona. I think it'd be pretty fun to kill some gods with our resident catboy.

[@ayanhart]

The thing around Mor Dhona is actually part of retconned lore from 1.0. It's possible they'll decide to do something else with it, but there technically already is a reason why. Originally, the primals were meant to have been trapped beneath Silvertear and the Agrius crashing released them, but that was then retconned and replaced with the Ascians teaching the tribes how to summon. You can see the exact scene of the primals' release in the original FFXIV Online trailer.

[@DZeograd]

I'm honestly surprised Omega didn't try to yeet itself into the Ragnarok. They did have him stare at the ship during the MSQ though

[@turntapeover5749]

They explicity said why they disbanded in the cutscene. It's so that the people of Eorzea don't use the organization as a crutch to solve all their problems and learn to fend for themselves.

[@lacdirk]

The part which you called aftereffects of the Final Days is probably the quest you get after doing the 5 role quests.

[@lacdirk]

The new dungeon was underwater. That's probably the narrows north of Radz-at-Han.

[@SabekujiKaneda]

> trying to find a way back to the 1st to visit her boyfriend And I took that personally

[@Wanderingsage7]

I'm curious if they'll explain the connection between Azem, Azeema and Azim.

[@seancatacombs]

I'm hoping totally new companions get introduced sooner rather than later too, but I think they might not happen until we're in or closer to 7.0 because of the need to cast their voice actors, program them into the Trust system etc.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

I love a good lore analysis.

[@dansong9161]

To answer, the one to say "Alas I am returned" is Diabolos. Which is interesting because he's shown in his HOLLOW form. Unless this an entirely new Voidsent from all the enemies that show up in the Tower of Babil second boss room + maybe remnants of the Lambs of Dalamud praying to those statues of Voidsent? It'd make sense as Garlemald has that avenue due to how Reapers contact Voidsent. The two twin deities HAS to be Nald'thal. They and Azeyma both occupy the Heaven of Fire. It'd make sense for Heaven of Lightning for Byregot/Rhalgr, we have an intermission boss, Azeyma, intermission boss again or some mobs, then we face off against Nald'thal.

[@kevindavis4456]

The WoL killed all the other gods, now it's the Twelve's turn.

[@thepainsight]

I believe the the shadow is saying "Ah and Thus I am returned"

[@rhyscook512]

The twin bosses are most likely Nald'Thal, Ul'dah's twin deities, near the end.

[@SynodicScribe]

I hope so! It didn't immediately jump out at me because all of Nald'thal's descriptors talk about when they're a single entity. But that'd be great!

[@the_exegete]

@@SynodicScribe The pair joined will be the second phase, I'm calling it.

[@Fgtr4Life]

That glowing hand has got to be Diabolos. That's similar to how his body glows, and the area looks like the World of Darkness' architecture. No way they're gonna leave Diabolos out of an expansion at this point.

[@Fgtr4Life]

Well, I was half right. Instead of Diabolos, it's my favorite older brother in the series, and I'm here for it.

[@twelfthknight]

I'm really looking forward to the 12-related stuff. Reading over the lore material and seeing how they're represented in game, it feels like the 12 were designed more as a background cultural artifact of Eorzea than something that's relevant to the player. Which is fine - it's solid worldbuilding for this Greece-inspired collection of city-states to have a defined pantheon that they can allude to - but when you're consistently dealing with Primals as these spectacular and iconic entities, the 12 become pretty forgettable. Whatever the actual context of how they're going to appear, from a meta/player perspective them having a presence with in-game models and voice lines is just kinda cool.

[@Val_Grnnx]

I'd put money on that hand being from Diabolos. And the background looks like the 13th too.

[@MH4wheel]

The new dungeon looking like Nyzul Isle from FFXI has so many of my friends who played XI losing their mind. They would love for a few more references to ToAU in Thavnair

[@SynodicScribe]

I remember the FFXI days. Wild times man. haha

[@Sunila_DragonladyCH]

I wonder if the Twelve are in some ways the first WoL or heroes. And perhaps we fight them to be able to summon their powers as is the case with Eikons, etc in other FF games. I still have so much lore to discover (I am far from having done all the job quests, but this is so exciting)

[@jordanstafford5110]

@17:00 maybe nald and thal. One has coins floating around his head and the other has flames

[@yuantheblue]

I had to pause and backtrack for it, then pause again. Good catch :)

[@neesavibes]

As I understood what they were doing, they were publicly "disbanding" but still remain as an organization. Like the Scions are still a thing but they did grow too large and since there's no danger and no need for such an organization now they're sort of reverting back to the shadows and being more discreet.

[@cristobalarminanibarra6890]

I think there will be a new cast but they'll be added thru out the patches so that they aren't compared to much with the scions

[@yuantheblue]

I find it interesting that with all that is going on, the trailer starts with the old base, with Tataru doing weaving of some kind. Looks like a sheep to me! :) Makes you wonder how F'lammin fills her days (hope I spelled her name right). I'm curious as to why Forchenault is involved (as well as Raubahn and Hien?) Guessing MSQ stuff. All around, this was a nice teaser. Can't wait for the real deal!

[@maddym.5466]

They only publicly disbanded, they're back to being a hidden org once more, but now they're dividing their capabilities to help people in various locals.

[@Silvershadowfire]

*spoilers for the Fishing questline in Endwalker* Your point about the long term effects of the death of Zodiark (and by extension Hydaelyn) is actually brought up in the Fishing questline, where the effects of the aether released from the Moon is having knock on results for the fish and other wavekin. It's not hard to imagine that there would be other effects on land, especially in Garlemald and Thavnair.

[@keitheyer9812]

Yeah I was expecting a new cast too but if I have to guess they will probably phase some scions out gracefully before the next expansion while slowly adding a new character here or there.

[@ayanhart]

I wouldn't be surprised if they keep some of the more recent recruits and/or fan favourites and gradually have the others become side characters that appear as needed (kinda like Krile). They could then fill out the roster with new characters or elevate characters that have played a bit part until now (like they did with G'raha or Estinien).

[@Friendway]

@@ayanhart Hoary Boulder plz

[@Dzugoslav]

Still waiting for the little sun to find his Nhaama.

[@emanuelcamuglia5984]

to be honest, fighting Rhaelgr as an Ala'Mighan must be like eating fishsticks in the pub with Jesus during Easter for christians

[@SynodicScribe]

lol

[@Shadethewolfy]

Or Isaac having a wrestling match with God himself. No, I am not kidding. The Old Testament was fucking wild.

[@JackWolf1]

17:15 I’m willing to bet that’s Nald’thal, the twinned god of commerce.

[@Kamuyy]

Yeah. Commerce and also the Underworld. I cant remember exactly but I believe Nald is the god of commerce and Thal is the god of the underworld.

[@Wanderingsage7]

The two are probably NaldThal, twins and all. And that voice from the darkness... Really really looked like Diabolos's hand.

[@sirephlyrrian6242]

i love your laugh

[@Zafo24pl]

There is more stuff showing that Hildy questline is canon, few MSQ dialogs change if you did his questline.

[@seangraethorne479]

Zoinkseth!

[@darkseraph2009]

The duo are Nald'Thal! One's head is haloed by coins, and the other wears a flaming, horned crown.

[@MariKurisato]

Who else is on board the 'A{h} zem ya' pronunciation train? Anyone? No? Just me?

[@kurisu7885]

I really hope at some point we get to brag to Lyse that we got to fight Ralgr, and we won.

[@wrathshorts2894]

Wasn't that the Knights of the Round at the end there?

[@shadowzach00]

Yes

[@wrathshorts2894]

@@shadowzach00 So they're back?

[@sonnyson01]

@@wrathshorts2894 it's the new ultimate fight

[@wrathshorts2894]

@@sonnyson01 That's kinda anticlimactic isn't it?

[@rahvlanthal8583]

Now, what if the mandevilles have something to do with some of the 12?

[@kfk4441]

I beg you square, make this a hard raid. They're a bunch of gods, make them a bunch of thunder gods

[@SynodicScribe]

Oh you KNOW that day 1 is gonna be nuts. I hope to see you there!

[@kfk4441]

@@SynodicScribe I'm already making extra space for the patch day, no way I'm missing a minute of this patch :D

[@TRECTADACTYL]

it may be two unrelated events edited together, but it really does seem like those cloaked figures are summoning terminus beasts. if thats the case, thats a whole 'nother can of worms.

[@ayanhart]

And persue avenues of personal interest, in Y'shtola's case at least.

[@kevindavis4456]

When was Hildebrand ever not cannon?

[@SynodicScribe]

As a rule of thumb. Anything that isn't acknowledged or recognized by the MSQ shouldn't immediately be considered cannon for a variety of reasons. But at this point most of everything in FFXIV is canon, which is great!

[@neko4wife313]

Yeah, I'm still not through SHB, so uh . . . Bye

[@justinbowman1342]

Hope you've been having a great time with it.

[@sinonsogekihei7211]

What was that city at the end? There’s a market board but I don’t recognise it?

[@TRECTADACTYL]

its a main hub in ew. to say more would be a spoiler

[@gackybass]

"Lore analysis" Doesn't recognise Nald'Thal. Amazing. Hilarious, even.