Synology DS923+ vs QNAP TS464 - Is Synology DSM Worth the trade offs?

The QNAP TS464 has the specs that every Plex Synology user has been requesting, 2.5 GbE, Intel Quick Sync, and PCIe to expand for the DS923+ to become. The only problem is its missing one thing, Synology DSM. Is the DS923+ better than the TS464?
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[@garynagle3093]

Nice comparison, glad to hear a standard 10gb.card will work in QNAP. I’m looking for plex media server exclusively for home, so am leaning to QNAP. This helps a lot

[@陳韋任-t6y]

Thanks a lot for doing so many NAS videos with concise advices and tutorials.

[@SpaceRexWill]

Glad you like them! Thanks!

[@alexsarbu3978]

IMHO you're exaggerating QNAP's security issues - even your example is NOT from QTS, and it was fixed in 2020. You're saying that every single QNAP had this vulnerability, but this is simply *false* - and it's particularly false for this TS-464, which is both running QTS (not QES!) and it's too new to be affected. If you dig hard enough, I'm sure you can find irrelevant examples for Synology, too. The TS-464 runs QTS 5.0.1 (QTS 5.1.0 is currently in Release Candidate status), FTR. And in these last years, QNAP kept pushing security fixes. Sure, you shouldn't ever expose your QNAP NAS directly to the internet; but is it safe to do it with Synology? I don't think so. To a lesser extent, Synology was also affected by ransomware; and Synolocker relied on software vulnerabilities (not on default admin:admin passwords). I had good expectations from this video - I'm here after watching the WDDA stuff - but I'm afraid I have to downvote what is essentially an attempt to push people towards your preferred brand.

[@Zwiesel66]

I am a QNAP user for many years and I agree with you, they have to take security more seriously. But I personal would never expose my NAS to the internet, that's a no-go for me - for those things I got a root server. I guess the best solution for most users, if they really need it, would be to use their router with a build in VPN/Wireguard server (like e.g. Fritzbox AVM). I have always thought about buying an Synology NAS, because I like their software. Since Synology is limiting its hardware more and more, the topic is done for me, I do not tolerate such a customer unfriendly behaviour of a manufacturer. I am currently seriously thinking about an open and flexible solution based on TrueNAS.

[@alexsarbu3978]

QNAP just added official support for Tailscale, so there's this option too.

[@CalBru]

Yeah, I was kind of shocked when people said "don't hook your NAS to the internet", but then realized they meant with nothing between it and internet. I wouldn't do that with Synology either.

[@alanb76]

Some years ago my first home NAS was a QNAP 5 drive. A few years out it developed an intermittent hardware problem that appeared to be 2 drives failing but after replacing the drives turned out to be the box. So then I had 7 good drives and a box that only had 3 reliable slots with 3 drives worth of data running in degraded mode. Luckily I was using Raid6 or it would have been a disaster (or at least a lot of work, there is a backup server). I got a Synology 8 slot so I could move over and use all the drives and am on my third Synology now, no hardware failures other than drives, and about 5x more box-years on Synology vs QNAP. Whatever architecture the QNAP was using, it was not as reliable or fault tolerant as the Synology. Clearly small statistics but the Synology software and hardware have been better in my experience. I'd like to see 2.5 Gigabit but realistically 4x 1 Gigabit is not often a real bottleneck. I'll take reliability over most features, where is the data?

[@TeutonTwin]

I've always used Synology, and will continue to do so when it comes to my data, however, I'm strongly considering a second QNAP nas for media streaming now. Synology is neglecting their home consumer market.

[@km3481]

Went with QNAP, couldn't be happier. The speed and features of the 453E/464 are really sweet. For Plex alone the 453E, barely breaks a sweat with demanding 4k. Also the QTier feature has been a great way for me to add capacity to the pool and the OS manages it perfectly. Upgraded network to 2.5gbe. HD Station is great for surveillance. QTS is fine, it isn't that hard to setup. Deployment of the NAS disables the admin and does other things. The value perspective of what you pay for and what you get esp, with the 453E is tough to beat. Sadly Synology has become a total joke to me, the price to get it close to where a a decked out 464 is nose bleed expensive for what you get. If you want more options install the QNAP Club for a ton of additional software options.

[@The-Wise-One]

​@km3481 Synology is becoming Apple. Proprietary components are the wrong model. They are only thinking $$$$$$ and not what users want...

[@Jtstien]

I mainly use my NAS for photo storage, has quemagie improved at all? It was one of the worst experiences last time I tried it so I moved to Synology who has a pretty solid photo management. It sucks that Synology screws the consumer because they know they have better software, they just purposely use such old hardware and couldn’t care less. I would switch immediately if there was an alternative but for now I’m stuck.

[@TeutonTwin]

​@@Jtstien no idea what "quemagie" is, but I agree on the hardware... They do do a lot of testing, let's hope that's why the hardware lags... but I'm not convinced. PS: I solved my original problem by moving plex to a NUC 13 running Docker with NFS mounting my video volumes... it's working like a dream. Bought a few more years of life from the NAS... Yes, I've not found an alternative for Synology Photos either...

[@RobHoffman83]

Thank you. I bought a DS920+ over the DS923+ a couple of months ago because of the GPU and Plex. I looked hard at the QNAP and opted out because synology just felt like a one stop shop. The gaping security hole you pointed out shows I made a good decision. I manage several Synologies in our Corporation and absolutely love the simplicity of it's design.

[@SocialWorkProfessor]

Love my 920+!

[@debeunproducties]

i alway's used synology for 10 years and now i bought the qnap ts 464 because the ds 923 you can't use it for 4k plex media and i am happy now because the qnap is so much better /faster than the ds 923 easy to use and realy so much faster thanks for the comparison

[@km3481]

Agreed. I love my 453E. Very powerful and runs fine. QTS (especially with QNAP Club) is a great OS, it does everything well for me...

[@Format090]

Synology sounds to me like Apple. Especially with the lock down to only Synology drives and RAM!

[@felipeavalos3404]

A good video With some vulnerabilities going 3 years without a patch QNAP is a no, no for me. I have an old Synology DS418 4-bay still working, for home is great as long as you don't need an intel processor.

[@incomefreedom]

I’ve had Qnaps for years and work fine once you understand the software. The only difference is QTS has more options. Synology software is easier. I’ve owned Synology before as well and my biggest issue with them was customer service and having the support of a live rep always answer the phone and have no issues remotely logging into my machine to help me fix anything in comparison to Synology who direct you to their knowledge base articles to fix issues and rarely if any log in remotely. For a business the support is invaluable. Also rather be future proof. Side note: My Nas is setup mostly as a local Nas with only 1 vpn so I make sure my security is tight.

[@Duhveedoh]

A year later... I am a home user who is interested in a 2-bay NAS that I really will only use for personal photos and videos. I highly value polished software for image galleries with features such as image recognition or face identification. I also require the ability to access the NAS remotely from my Android mobile phone. Has QNAP improved their security or software? Any recommendations for which NAS to get?

[@PeterHonig.]

As a commercial dairy goat farm and creamery, we use a good number of PTZ dome camera with Synology Surveillance Station to monitor our kidding stalls for signs of goats in labor. As such, we find the Celeron processor to be vastly superior for our needs. That is why we find the DS920+ and DS720+ to be the NAS of choice in our business. The DSx23+ units are a total no-go for us. Also, thanks for your excellent informative videos!

[@SpaceRexWill]

Thats an awesome setup for that! Can you confirm that the iGPU's are actually used by surveillance station? when I had looked at this in the past it did not seem like iGPU enabled NAS units had any better performance then their counterpart. AFAIK Surveillance station does not have to encode or decode the footage as its just storing it. The camera encodes it, while your computer actually decodes it

[@PeterHonig.]

@@SpaceRexWill Interesting, I will look into it further. Currently, we're expecting two goats to kid within the next 24 hours, so I'll have to do the testing a few days after that.

[@PeterHonig.]

@@SpaceRexWill By the way, I verified that the installation of Surveillance Station, also causes Advanced Media Extensions (HEVC codec) to be installed for the viewing of H.264 files (our surveillance camera output). Therefore, I strongly suspect that this implies that the NAS is decoding the files. I think this is further corroborated by the fact that we stream smoothly to our phones via Synology's DS Cam phone app, as a phone's processing power is quite weak relative to a desktop/laptop system.

[@SpaceRexWill]

So as far as I know the AME is only required to actually transmit h265 (HEVC) video as h265 has a pretty expensive license cost. As for the phones they have built in GPU's and pretty much any phone can decode a 4k video so it is not GPU intensive at all (as long as you have a GPU) If you look at the number of FPS the 723+ can do its the same as the 720+ which has the intel quick sync iGPU in it. I know the actual NVR units use the GPUs for AI processing. I may reach out to synology to find out

[@PeterHonig.]

@SpaceRex Thanks for the additional information. If you could go ahead and contact Synology it would be greatly appreciated, as I'm sure you have better contacts than I have.

[@DavidM2002]

I have both a Synology DS-920+ and an older QNAP TS-453A so I have the best / worst of both worlds. Having lived with both of them as a pair for a couple of years now, I wouldn't have it any other way. The QNAP is mostly a backup for the Synology but I can still use whichever one is stronger and better suited for a particular task. As for internet access, I don't trust either NAS's native connection software. I use Tailscale which is dead simple to install and setup. But, if you do install Tailscale, you will need an app for moving files to or from your NAS and the free app WinSCP works extremely well - it's much like having 2 instances of Windows File Explorer side by side - one local and the other showing the remote device. I do plan to replace my QNAP with a TVS-h874, AKA "The Beast" to future proof that half of my pair. Synology doesn't have anything comparable unfortunately. I would never buy 4 bay again. Having had to expand my storage on both NAS recently, I ended up putting perfectly good HDD's on the shelf because I didn't have the extra bays. And with Synology's ability to mix different sized drives, that loss was especially notable. Pay a bit more up from for 6 or 8 bays and it will be cheaper in the long run.

[@CalBru]

Yeah, I was super surprised to see that users weren't using Tailscale or something similar. I was also (new to NAS) surprised that it wasn't run through a Tailscale or similar VPN "out of the box".

[@DavidM2002]

@@CalBru CalBru, I have been messing about with virtual machines lately and created one on my QNAP. Now, with a Windows machine running there, I have installed FreeFileSync on it which syncs the two NAS's perfectly without having to use the NAS's native apps which are far less complicated to use and nothing has to run through my desktop machine.

[@CalBru]

@DavidM2002 Yes, that sounds perfect. I plan to use VMs for most things, just to keep things sansboxed.

[@MrSunDevil23]

I had a Synology 420 and just upgraded to a 920+. I was on the fence of getting the 923+ but it lost me on the fact it doesn’t have integrated graphics and i mostly use my NAS for Plex

[@CalBru]

Good review, and I generally agree with your comparison. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of QNAP's security upgrades over past 6 months. They do seem to have put some work into this area, but I'm not sure how that compares to Synology features. (Warnings, security checking, bug bounty).

[@SpaceRexWill]

So they have put some good work in there, at least from a consumer facing perspective. But you kinda have to wait a couple of years to find out how it actually went

[@wesc6755]

Price is the last thing I'm worried about when it comes to my company's data. When we have assets we've spent tens of thousands of dollars to have created by the best talent in the business, a few hundred dollars difference in the devices' prices is irrelevant. Time is way more expensive than any piece of hardware. So I want rock solid stability and backups, and security. And I want easy maintenance without a lot of time-sucking tinkering with obscure settings to screw up by accident.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Looking at the feature comparison, i wonder what the "+" in the dsm923+ is about. I mean it lacks just about everything a modern nas user needs.

[@robertwade1787]

Very good presentation and Comparison. I have used QNAP more than Synology. But definitely do not expose the QNAP's directly to the internet.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Years ago I will never recommend a creative a QNAP but today the gap in terms of easy to use have narrow so much that I will not hesitate to recommend them QNAP. Even growing space is easy. On the other hand Synology has C2. If cloud technologies is something they are searching for Synology will be my first recommendation. Otherwise , dollar per dollar QNAP is better

[@TheBeardedLibertarian]

Had to send my TS464 back nothing but trouble and the CPU is underpowered for docker containers. Built my own using OpenMediaVault... love OMV for home use.

[@sowasvonkeinplan]

@SpaceRex Is there any company offering a great hardware AND a great software? It feels so extremly painful, having to chose from either using the totally unacceptable 1GBit Ethernet and other hardware drawbacks from Synology - including the unacceptable hazzle of not being able to use Samsung NVME 990 PRO SSDs out of the box (proprietary, expensive strategy of Synology...) or having to choose an insecure system with bad software but perfect hardware. This is so painful. It hurts so much. I want that DSM Synology Software running on a QNAP Hardware... is there no manufacturer offering good hard- and software, without having to pay something like 5000 USD for some PRO system... ? 😞

[@gdallas100]

What about using a Cloudflare tunnel with Q nap?

[@JohnPepp]

I went with the DS923+ as I'm more of photographer and I like the security features of the Synology better.

[@j1ggy1979]

Great video, thanks for the comparison.

[@we6871]

New to NSA here. I'll keep it simple...and I think my needs are simple too. I'm a 65-year-old guy just getting into having a NAS for two main reasons...1) Use it as a Plex server and 2) use it for file storage, photo archive. I don't download and store shows or movies, and doubt that I will, nor is there any gaming of any kind. I'm not as technically savvy as many out here, so that's a checkmark in favor of Synology. BUT, I hate the idea of paying MORE for LESS hardware horsepower, technology and upgrade capability, since this will almost certainly be a "once in a lifetime purchase" (no future NAS's), so that's a checkmark in favor of the QNAP. Given all I've said, what does the group feel might be a better option? Your comments about security breaches with the QNAP scare me but I'm not entirely clear what you mean by "using apps connected to the internet" means in real life? Example?

[@anthonystebbins6289]

I love the Synology drive feature that backs up my phone's photos for me. Does Qnap have something like that?

[@NhatLinhNguyen82]

Yes

[@DavidBrownTheTechDjinn]

Exposing your NAS to the Internet is an absolutely no-no. Nobody using any product should be exposing their NAS to the Internet. That is not an intelligent thing to be doing. If you need remote access to your NAS, then use a VPN. I'm very distressed that you actually said you "recommend putting Synology on the Internet".

[@IT_RUN1]

I don't think that Qnap takes security as seriously as Synology. Better hardware is good but means nothing if the software sucks especially when it comes to protecting your data due to unpatched vulnerabilities in the OS. Not saying that it's not possible but it definitely requires much more networking experience or and research to properly lockdown a Qnap. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like Synology is going in a favorable direction considering their lineup last year. Thankfully after getting hit multiple times by hackers(or their bots) I finally decided to up my game and use a Vilfo VPN router(not advertisement lolz) it has a built-in VPN server that lets you connect the router with local access from anywhere without having to open the WAN completely. Before setting this up I had over 10,000 hits in total since 2014 till November 2022 since November so far I haven't been getting hit once which is just mind blowing to me.😁

[@delboyg01]

It's not that QNAP software sucks, well not lately anyway. It's that QNAP allows you to install almost any open source Linux software on the NAS. Now that's great if you know what you are doing. Not so good if you don't know how to consider security and updates. I've had a QNAP in my home & work for around 8 years, everything I need is exposed to the internet. But I really use QNAP's 1st party software as there is always a better option out there!

[@neilclay5835]

Very useful overview, thanks.

[@utgotye1]

QNAP by a mile. QTS will only improve even further. Meanwhile, I enjoy far better hardware to begin with plus the ability to make it last longer with massive list of potential upgrades. DSM is great but it's totally gimped by the hardware choices made by Synology and the anti-consumer nature of their proprietary upgrades. No one with two brain cells to rub together would open anything that is not completely necessary directly to the internet so that "issue" is a complete non-starter. Not defending QNAP's response, it was horrible and damaged their reputation greatly.

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

i'm starting to think about canceling my backing from kickstarter for the ugreen nas, after hearing so much praise for the synology dsm, i don't think ugreen will be even half as good as the dsm synology offers, even tho their hardware absolutely freaking sucks

[@DanielNeubauer]

Same here.

[@Pter02]

If I do crypt my nas volume, is it still possible be hit by ransomware?

[@scottenman2005]

Your videos helped me so much thank u!!!

[@harrisedgar]

Well, what about a Synology with the hardware transcoding? (for my Plex, Mac, iPad, iPod, iphone, Windows, small office needs.) From the pespective that I've never owned a NAs nor ever worked with one. Great comments by the way.

[@quiksr20]

This is exactly why I love my Xpenology rig... Very powerful Synology Software on equally very powerfull hardware ( home built xeon rig ). Im sure they are both good but love Synologys overall package fit/finish.

[@li5668]

@quiksr20, Can you help me? I also have XP enology, but version DSM 5.2 I would like to update. As I did it a long time ago, that page disappeared. I would like some solid and new information about this. Thx

[@pbrigham]

You forgot the Pcie slot on the Qnap. Have been using both systems for years, never had any security issues with any of them, however, I don't connect any NAS directly to the internet, just remember if any NAS is connected to the internet or any backup device for that matter is NOT a Backup anymore. Used to be fan of Synology, not anymore, they reach the tipping point of the leverage that they could take due to the easy of use of the Synology software. Synology hardware is just not to the par of a modern NAS, if fact for me they are just obsolete machines with those 1GB network connections, let alone this latest processors, in top of this they charge a fortune for any upgrades. 32GB of Synology memory is more expensive than the NAS itself!, I mean for that kind of money you can have a top of the line a QNAP with a i3 intel latest processor. I'm done with Synology. Obvious for the ignorant retail users, this machines will still sell well, but for any other more experience and informed user, will be a QNAP all the time.

[@zaraza.]

Do you have ABB or Surveillance station alternatives on QNAP? I don't think so. Until recently QNAP did not even have any reverse proxy. Hardware-wise synology sucks, but their software is far ahead of qnap. If i were to drop synology i would rather built my own nas than buy qnap with their poor software.

[@pbrigham]

@@zaraza. Yup, I agree that Synology software is one of the best on the market, but for me, they well pass the tipping point of the leverage, I mean, a machine like this with 10GB proprietary network card that can not be used in anything else + 32GB memory for a total cost of more than 1.500 EURs!? , yeah I will go with any other vendor any day, I done with Synology.

[@zaraza.]

@@pbrigham Unfortunately I have to agree with you here. I would rather pay for the dsm license to run on my own hardware than buy their antiquated products. That's why currently I run xpenology alongside my ds918. But this is for personal use, for business I would probably have to go with truenas.

[@km3481]

Both brands have their ups and downs, like you I went with a QNAP. If you compare the OS's, you have to factor in Hero or even QNAP Club. Here Synology is either playing catchup with WORM just being introduced or features you can even get like ZFS. So it is really a give an take between them. Synology is just so heavy handed, I can't stand them anymore. QNAP does enough for me and it works just fine so I don't need to spend time learning and building something. Synology is a fine solution (although a bit pricey, esp with add ons), but the software side is a give and take and not a clear victory. They have been taking steps to make security better along the way, but QNAP still need to continue chopping away to show seriousness with it. The world is a nasty place and people need to get a good hardware protection regardless of who they choose.

[@jpbeauch1]

What about a lockstor AS6704T comparaison with the Synology

[@andrewbarnum5040]

I am currently running my second Synology NAS and I am a huge AMD fan so the 723+ seemed to be the logical choice for me. However I was rather put off when I found out I can't use any M.2 drive that I wanted. Especially since I can use any HDD, and SSD and any RAM I do choose. Also having to buy a 10gb upgrade... Well I am in search of a NAS that is better without going DIY. So far Synology is winning but not by much.

[@danibluray]

With all the Synology lockdown, I want to change. So this video helps. How about any solution with remote replication? similar to Hyperbackup where you can backup to another same brand device?

[@Baxtersbrain101]

I never thought I'd see a qnap on this channel. Lol. I'll answer this simply. If you are like me and you log in to your nas at least once a week then go Qnap. If you want set it and forget it go to synology. I recommend synology to friends because I don't want them calling me to fix anything lol. Not that qnap can't be set it and forget it I just wouldn't risk it.

[@mikebloodworth9258]

Hi, Very informative about the TS-464 v Synology. Im calling on your experience and knowledge as I am a bit of a novice when it comes to a NAS. I currently have an older QNAP TS-221 QTS v4.3.3 latest OS with a Marvel 2.0GHz CPU that only supports DLNA to stream to my Samsung QN90A TV. My biggest problem is I needed to create a new multimedia library as my QN90A Samsung TV recently just could not find sub folders in the main multimedia folder of videos. Now after a complete Medi Library re-build the TV is quicker by 50% and at least sees them...still damn slow taking 35 sec to bring up the sub folders but at least they are coming up. However the time for the NAS to re-generate a fresh thumbnails of some 72,000 files it is so so very slow, only decrementing # files by 1 file per 6 seconds. This is going to take around 5 days...a ridiculous wait time. Is the TS-464 also very slow at creating this quantity of thumbnails ? Is this a general QNAP issue on all their NAS servers inc the TS-464 or in fact all NAS servers of any brand in your experience? My 6TB HDD in the TS-221 QNAP is a WD60EFAX.

[@lukastemberger]

What would be the second best NAS system after Synology? When it comes to software and security...

[@bufanda]

I am QNAP user for years and years and having DSM as a negative point on the Thumbnail hurts. I have tried DSM and QTS is way better imo. But I guess that's just me using QNAP for years and only spent like 30 Minutes with DSM. And no matter what OS you use opening a NAS to the Internet is always a stupid Idea, for that you always should use dedicated hardware with an clean OS and none do it al software.

[@RobCos-io1tu]

I got $80 off the QNAP TS 464-4 so pulled the trigger, adding 4 Segate 10TB HDD upgrading to 16GB and adding 2 WD RED m.2 500GB m.2. Overkill for media server, but memory and m.2 were really cheap.

[@SpaceRexWill]

If you are just looking for a Plex box QNAP is the way to go for sure

[@RobCos-io1tu]

@@SpaceRexWill Movies and FLAC Music Lossless files is 99% of what I am storing

[@SpaceRexWill]

I don't think (could be wrong) that you need an iGPU for audio, still for transcoding high quality video down to lower bitrate tis huge

[@Edgeeeeeeee]

I was expecting you would actually test Qnap security on their new QTS. Instead I get history lesson. I’m not Qnap fan, but sounds unfair.

[@SpaceRexWill]

1) I am not a security researcher, so the only I can give a security recommendation is to look how the company has done in the past 2 years 2) even if I was it would be a horrible idea to publish a vulnerability in a KZbin video

[@arturchilingaryan4625]

Qnap + wireguard is a top, 2 nvme as cash , intel desktop CPU and additional pcie slot. Top for me 😊

[@ronnyrandertjes]

Any feedback on photo management between Qnap and Synology? For the rest great video and like to see more balance in video's between synology and qnap.

[@km3481]

QuMagie on QNAP is the cadillac. Think NASCOMPARES has a video comparing it to photo station.

[@terryhopkins8059]

Which Synology would you recommend if I want to store large amounts of photos and video (I'm a photographer/videographer) and also use Plex for watching all my movies at 4K/1080 and also store all my music?

[@valentinmoeller]

920+

[@ThWind81]

If you want to edit 4k video directly from the NAS, you might look at something with better than 1GbE connections. I have decided to get the 923+ for storing my movie collection and raw video to be edited. The 923+ can be upgraded to 10GbE. I will just run Plex server on a different device with an Intel processor with Quick Sync.

[@paultech9385]

Great video, thank you. Future synology surveillance station video request; which models can add a gpu card to attach a monitor and can it support license plate capture. The vs960hd was discontinued, what’s a comparable solution such as what minipc specs could match or exceed it.

[@mario-sz]

Qnap can do two backup tasks to two media at the same time. Hyper Backup Synology can't do that to this day.

[@matt-i3r6w]

Do you recommend a custom built NAS?

[@CynicalManInBlack]

This is a great video. I am a noob when it comes to NAS and looking to get my first device. My primary use would be Jellyfin and multimedia backup (photos that I would like to access online). When you say that you do not recommend exposing the QNAP software to the internet, does it mean that you do not recommend allowing access to your media library outside your home network? Do you recommend using QNAP for jellyfin only while on your home network?

[@raymondwebby2441]

Yes that what it means

[@Apollo_GodMode]

Did you ever figure out your build setup? I am now going through a noobie stage and learning.

[@The-Wise-One]

Have a DS1513+, love synology, but need to upgrade now, want to stay with Synology, BUT, why the heck have you dumped intel with no graphics support in your new models. 😢😢. I need a 8 bay with graphics for plex... why the heck don't you offer a system with graphics card support. So silly synology.... you are losing customers!!! Im a home user, i need BOTH DATA and PLEX.. which I'm sure is most users needs.

[@thomashendricks9774]

I'm glad I didn't buy the QNAP when I was at Micro Center today. I want the Synology but I'm thinking about Plex but its not a requirement right now. My most important requirment right now is being able to access files on my Mac via the internet. The company I work for just gave us brand new Macbook Pros but with only 256gb hard drives. My old Macbook Pro had a 1tb drive and now I have to put things on and take things off I'm working on. Using Thumbdrives and External SSDs. I would rather have them on something like the Synology where I can pull them down and pin and then unpin when I'm done.

[@irenemini]

I hope you can help me! I have sooo many files on my pc and external SSDs lying around on my desk. About 6 TB with videos, pictures and documents. Now that I've started a KZbin channel, there is going to be alot of video files! All I want is a box with 4 bays (maybe go with two 12TB to start with), to store aaall of my files. I want to connect with a USB to my pc and have a decent speed when tranferring files from my computer and I want it all to be mirrored. The networking part is not so important to me. Is this Synology DS923+ for me? And what do I look for in a suitable harddrive? Thank so much and cheers from Norway!

[@3lDuK371]

maybe watch all his videos...

[@TiziM]

So it basically is a apple vs android kind of thing, get the software and buy our expensive stuff or get the hardware and upgrade it without prroblems 🤔 Since i currently use qnap and never had a synology i kind of wonder how hard/easy their software really is. Setting up q-foto or quMagie was quite easy. The biggest question to me is. Is synologys software also faster for example while Browsing photos and stuff or is it only the Security part?

[@jimcallahan448]

Given the security track record of QNAP how does Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen2 4-Bay (AS6704T) compare? One issue with the Asustor model is it is either or SSD or 10 gbs network card (not both).

[@cyberwasp461]

Great video. I was recently considering the switch to Qnap. My reason is I'm on my third DS920+ due to defective backplanes. As you said the Synology hardware is poor and in my opinion behind the times!!! If this one fails, I'll be looking elsewhere!

[@SpaceRexWill]

2x dead backplanes is wild! I don’t think I have seen a single one from any of my clients

[@rodv7779]

@@SpaceRexWill I had two DS918+ fail 4 days outside the manufacturer's warranty, and Synology refused to honour their hardware. We switched to the QNAP TS-464, which is absolutely phenomenal! The software does most things that the Synology unit does, and we are delighted with it. Also, I'd like to point out that the Ransomware vulnerability you refer to has been resolved a while back with a QNAP firmware update. Set up a VPN Server on the NAS and only open the ports needed for the applications you run on the Internet, and you will be fine! There are a lot of KZbinrs that are Synology Fan Boys, and other than maybe they are getting kickbacks from Synology, their concerns against QNAP are highly biased. Keep plugging away with the QNAP lineup, and you will soon be converted. Why pay all that extra money for substandard hardware on a Synology unit and have the company turn their back on the end-user when the hardware fails. All the best, mate, Cheers!

[@indridcold2872]

With DSM 7.2.2. it will be QNAP all the way!!!

[@AA-kj4ic]

Synology is going DOWN HILL, laggin behind competition. I see Synology being too comfortable in it's market position and trying to milk consumers as much as possible with outdated hardware. Definitely going to buy QNAP.

[@erg1450]

I read many of these posts , and made me feel really ignorant, I don't really understand much of wart is being recommended, if some one is kind enough to help me with my needs, I am a photographer that has outgrown more than 4TB of on my external drive, and all that I want, is too have a more reliable and redundant (RAID 0 or 1) system that I can transfer photos and videos without too much lag and is secure, easy to install and use, good software to manage photos and ability to sync with a MACOS based computer ....... I do not have any need to expose my apps or data to the internet ....what would you recommend?....I also seen now SSD Me.2 based units .......any thoughts on those ?

[@DanWi90]

Does the security issue on Qnap only apply to their own apps? How about running owncloud on it?

[@Psoewish]

I watched this video hoping to find the answers I was looking for and came away realizing I just need to do a lot of thinking. How important is transcoding to me? If I do open things up to the internet, would it be more than just the media? I’ve got some things to consider that frankly I hadn’t really thought about yet. Armed with this information though, I should be able to come up a nice informed decision, so thank you for the video!

[@jenniferw8963]

I have my Mac Mini M2 Pro on 24/7 and is currently my Plex server with a 8TB external USB HDD attached (Seagate Ironwolf 8TB NAS HDD I bought for $209 a couple years ago.) Mac is great for transcoding. What do you think about continuing to use my mac mini as the server but acquire the DS923+ (or DS1522+) just for storage. Does plex work well that way? i.e. storing movies and tv shows (DVR recorded even) to NAS? The DVR has been reliable locally on external USB. (I think it records first to the internal ssd and then transfers the file after recording.)

[@xaero5150]

I had 3 synology units fail within a few months of ownership and it was a nightmare trying to recover the data from them. I don't care if the synology is gold plated with a threadripper pro processor and a 8 port 10gb switch, it is not worth the risk of waking up to a beeping machine and a 3 week data recovery nightmare.

[@Beyond_Matter]

why don't you show the difference?

[@dirkziegler9580]

Before I made my decision I had a QNAP TS-253D and Synology DS220+. I kept the DS220+. QNAP's software is chaotic and buggy, hard to understand for beginners and not really well designed. You get more hardware for your money buying a QNAP but this is not essential. One has to see the full package. Synology's software is so much better and cleaner. I am happy with my decision to keep the Synology NAS.

[@jefawk9603]

TLDR: Qnap has security vulnerabilities. That's all I needed to know 😂 thanks!

[@TheMack]

I really like Synology DSM, but they're seriously lacking on the hardware side. Also, Synology's drive and RAM compatibility is not very good. The QNAP's are compatible with Seagate 24TB drives, where Synology have no drives over 18 TB, barely reaching over 16TB. Even their own branded harddrives don't go over 18TB. After 11 years of Synology, I'm going QNAP.

[@daverussell457]

@SpaceRex why does the thumbnail for this video have BTRFS with a green tick for QNAP? And why does the Synology have a red cross for PCIe Slot?

[@SpaceRexWill]

both Synology and this QNAP have BTRFS Then Synology does have an expansion port, but its not a standard PCIe half / full hight card, its a proprietary system

[@mandrael]

And is there also a third player on the market, which can compete with synology!?

[@icecoldbruh]

Asustor

[@notreallyme425]

Hasn’t QNAP had a lot of security issues? I thought I remember them getting caught with a hardcoded admin password. Synology seems to be better on the software and security side. I have a 920+ and I’ve been very happy with it. I think I’ll build my next NAS and use Truenas, but I would miss a lot of Synology’s software packages and features.

[@danielfrancis-lyon8735]

While there have been some security issues in the past which have now been patched, there are multiple ways to set up a QNAP for secure remote access. Qlink uses our servers as a relay for remote access with no exposed ports to the internet. QVPN can set up secure VPN tunnels. And I have recently discovered how easy it is to set up a Tailscale VPN on the NAS. With TailScale, you don't even need to forward a port on your router or configure the connections yourself. It is automatic using Google Authenticate to make VPN tunnels to your devices. We will continue to work on making QNAP more secure when ports are forwarded. But we are also working to make even more secure ways of remote access like VPN easier.

[@mandrael]

What about FreeNAS on QNAP?

[@ryanbartlett672]

I love your honesty on bias -- we need a LOT more of that on KZbin!

[@Mrnw10]

Wow i was just about to purchase a qnap but the security flaws are a massive red flag!

[@WRX09MD]

When is synology gonna listen and build a real plex box for everyone. They would kill the market with one.

[@tomconnell7154]

what NAS overall would be best for ripping to and watching 4k blu ray - any advice helps as I am a newbie - thank you

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Depends on how fast you want it done. Generally, I'd wonder why you'd want to rip bds on a NAS though

[@ThermoNuclearStud]

If security is that bad with QNAP, then no way will I every buy their product. On the other hand, Synology seems like it still doesn't hit the mark with performance, and locking us down into their eco-system isn't ok either. So my search for a NAS continues. Thank you for helping me narrow it down a bit!

[@Prod-23]

Security is too big an issue to ignore. QNAP track record here is about as bad as it can be. Having security issues is a given which means the only way to judge a company is how they react to security issues. For QNAP to not even respond to advisories is utter and total failure. Also one thing not mentioned in the video is one of the main reasons I upgraded my 918+ to a 923+ ... ECC RAM. I'm primarily a business user, so transcoding is not a big deal for me. ECC RAM in a server is defacto and a MAJOR win for the Synology hardware in this comparison imho.

[@alexsarbu3978]

The Celeron processor doesn't support ECC RAM - so it's not QNAP's fault (and for the intended market, that Celeron with its hardware transcoding should be a better choice than ECC). The cheapest QNAP supporting ECC RAM is the TS-x73a series, which is also using a Ryzen processor. And supports ZFS.

[@unprofor10]

Bad from synology for blocking other disks

[@Robert-sj8ld]

Honest review👍

[@flintylemming]

The biggest problem of QNAP for me is it's raid solution. If I have 4 4TB HDD now, when I want to expand storage, I have to replace all disk. While using SHR in Synology, I only replace two of them.

[@feriferi9617]

Can you make a video how to get inside synology log in way? Quiconnect, lan , and etc? Vpn server? The onlyway i can get inside my synology is thru quickconnect website, Its been an issue since i bought my 1st unit my synology assistan cant find my ip adress. I follow all your video step by step . Its clear and easy to understand. But i cant find your video set up ipaddress to get inside synology in LAN network Thanks for your advice synology ds1522 review over 923. For my 1st nas Big fan from indonesia 🙏🏼

[@feriferi9617]

Update try today, i found it My webbroweser doesnt show synology because mywebbrowser say its not secure website. Still find a way to make web broweser site secure with ip adresss link

[@babeksaber2702]

Thanks for that...

[@user-ms8qg2rz5s]

Always wonder can QNAP nas become a WiFi router after adding a WiFi pcie card ?

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

Honestly, why bother? Unless you've got limited space, you're usually better off splitting the functions between different devices and getting the one that's the best for each. That way when they break, and they will, you're not stuck replacing all of them at once. Plus, they tend to do better at the individual tasks. I wouldn't personaly want my storage solution doing much beyond storage and streaming related tasks.

[@user-ms8qg2rz5s]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade because I have very limited space.

[@joshl6275]

The decision between QNAP and Synology boils down to budget, in my opinion. You get good hardware with lackluster software and some glaring security concerns at a bargain price when you go with QNAP. You get excellent software and okay hardware with Synology. If you have the budget, go with Synology. They cost a lot but it's great software on a decent hardware platform. Some of this depends on your needs, of course. If you're doing lots of transcoding such as for a home media server, then you need an Intel based system for that iGPU. Most Synology hardware is AMD based and lacks that feature. Though, it should be noted they still make Synology boxes with Intel hardware. Also, as Rex says, don't expose your QNAP to the internet. You're asking for it, if you do. Though, in general you should have a relay service set up between your NAS and the internet anyway should such be the case, regardless of what brand you're using. But if you're just using the NAS for Plex, this becomes less of a concern. Plex already sort of does the same thing as a relay service for media streaming purposes and safeguarding some pirated movie content from ransomware isn't really a major concern anyway. Of course, with that being said, it should be noted that safeguarding your network from intrusion is a huge deal regardless of your use case and your NAS could be a point of ingress into your network from a hostile intruder if you don't secure it properly, and this potentially endangers every other device on your network. Now, Synology and QNAP aren't the only game in town. There are also competitors that come to mind, such as Terramaster. But their software is even worse than QNAP by a wide margin and doesn't even shake a bent twig to Synology DSM. As one should hope, Terramaster is very affordable. You get what you pay for, though. One thing that may render the discussion somewhat moot is if you are just using the NAS as mounted storage while the actual server is hosted on another device, such as a NUC. This might be something you'd do if you're setting up a media server. You host everything on the NUC and then the only purpose the NAS serves is as storage for your content. That being said, don't use QNAP for enterprise applications. Go Synology. Synology al the way for business users. You pay extra but then, it's worth the cost. This is your business we're talking about.

[@sooo0kie]

Only if DSM can be installed on QNAP...

[@ScottMildred]

847 Deckow Court

[@tgoral4746]

Qnap hands down

[@WoodLester-x6x]

Dominique Valleys

[@MaryanneMontrose-v3z]

Amber Radial

[@BartlettGreg-p9w]

Maximillia Landing

[@EmanuelTorrisi-i4e]

Lynch Stravenue

[@marioh5172]

"identical from the outside" ... wait, what? :-)

[@WallisDarren-f4n]

Rosenbaum Radial

[@allandresner]

Build an UNRAID box, never look back

[@LindaDarden-l4i]

Casper Circle

[@NewmanZero-m2b]

Arvilla Greens

[@DaBud9263]

It seems like the the QNAP is taking over as Synology's expense! Every time you see a Synology review, QNAP is brought up. Must be a reason. I definitely leaning towards QNAP now, after researching all the reviews. Better choice?