Synology RS2423+ Unboxing and NOISE test (it's loud)

[@jonathanwright6482]

"...once you get past the required Synology hard drives." Yeah - I can't get past that.

[@SpaceRexWill]

Honestly I deploy these things all the time with non synology drives

[@nodaks]

There is a easy script file you can schedule at boot to mod the HDD db file to accept any hdd. I have it running on my ds1821+ and 1819+ just to test Task Scheduler has completed a triggered task. Task: HDD Database Update Start time: Mon, 04 Dec 2023 06:31:37 GMT Stop time: Mon, 04 Dec 2023 06:31:45 GMT Current status: 0 (Normal) Standard output/error: Synology_HDD_db v3.1.64 DS1819+ DSM 7.2.1-69057-3 Using options: Running from: /volume1/HDD_Database_Update_Script/Current_Script/syno_hdd_db.sh [0;36mThere is a newer version of this script available. [0m Current version: v3.1.64 Latest version: v3.2.68 [0;36mDo you want to download v3.2.68 now? [0m [y/n] HDD/SSD models found: 1 WD6003FFBX-68MU3N0,83.00A83 No M.2 drives found No M.2 PCIe cards found No Expansion Units found [0;33mWD6003FFBX-68MU3N0 [0m already exists in [0;36mds1819+_host_v7.db [0m [0;33mWD6003FFBX-68MU3N0 [0m already exists in [0;36mds1819+_host.db [0m [0;33mWD6003FFBX-68MU3N0 [0m already exists in [0;36mds1815+_host.db [0m [0;33mWD6003FFBX-68MU3N0 [0m already exists in [0;36mds1819+_host.db.new [0m [0;33mWD6003FFBX-68MU3N0 [0m already exists in [0;36mds1815+_host.db.new [0m Support disk compatibility already enabled. Drive db auto updates already enabled. DSM successfully checked disk compatibility. You may need to [0;36mreboot the Synology [0m to see the changes. From Backup

[@jonathanwright6482]

@@nodaksThat might be OK for home use, but definitely not in a business environment.

[@leexgx]

Dave script that adds the normal enterprise/nas drives as green good drive

[@BertPdeboy]

i have an RP at work. The fan curves for the internal fans are good, but the power supply fan curve has an eager attack. The power supply fans are as loud as talking, without load on the system. I wish they were load-controlled or at least a bit more manual control to them. The double PSU variant houses smaller fans, which go higher in RPM and make more noise (and now there's two of them!). For real, have some rack away from your living/work space because this device is LOUD.

[@EuropaSteve]

RS1221RP+ The PSU fans (FFB03812VN-SPC) run at 23000 RPM & 23 CFM I'd love to change the out. There's no way those PSUs need that much airflow. Smoke tested the main fans in quiet mode, they're deadheaded. I think you'd get more air flow through the case if you replaced the main fans with metal plates. But you'd still have that PSU noise. Time to move the rack to the basement.

[@matty69phatty]

Glad they rewarded you. You been grinding for them.

[@JasonsLabVideos]

Love your videos man !! Keep it up !!

[@lqid10t]

I have 4x RS2418+ and these look and are specced almost identical with slight bumps in performance here and there. One immediate change is the built-in 10GBe NIC that I wish mine had. I am running two pairs of my RS2418+ in high availability, and even with adding a dual 10GBe NIC, it requires one of those to be dedicated to the cluster traffic (so no redundancy on the network side). I'd be curious to see (if you were able to get a second) how the RS2423+ compares in HA to the RS2418+. Also, I know you mentioned that the new model requires Synology branded drives. I'd love to see if you can get non-Synology branded drives working with being in warning/error mode permanently, or reducing the featureset afterwards. I'm concerned for the future with these models, as they're supposed to be in their "value" lineup, yet they have the restrictions they've placed on their "enterprise" models for disks. If that continues, the RS2418+ servers are the last to buy from them, since their "synology" branded drives are far too expensive in comparison to WD/Seagate NAS/Enterprise drives for any benefit. Also, as @mike_pj mentioned, fan control is non-existent once you add an expansion card, at least in the older models. I have a 10GBe NIC in each, and it disables your ability to change off of the Full-Speed mode.

[@TC-lx9il]

Great video! I have the 2416+ and it is starting to show it's age, even had to do the 100 Ohm resistor fix on it. May pick one of these up as a replacement!

[@mkdn]

What a sweet piece. I’ll upgrade mine to a rack mount eventually. Noise doesn’t really bother me as my cabinet is downstairs, in a room, far far away from everything 😂

[@eprohoda]

Spacerex-you shared professional job-💪

[@grbevski]

Please oh please could you do a raid 10 test on the SSD and tell me what read and write speeds you're able to get over the network?

[@Rickles]

I quite like my 920+ and was thinking maybe one day I could upgrade to a rack mount unit like this when it no longer serves my needs. I can't get over the "requires Synology brand drives" part though. No way. That takes this from future investment splurge to out of reach. 920+ will serve me well for a long while. Maybe I will want to go TrueNAS when it's time to upgrade.

[@hyperprotagonist]

Did I detect a hint of excitement in your voice? 😅 Good for you man!

[@OmarDaily]

I wonder if the fans could be swapped for Noctuas 👀 I’ve been looking at the RP2500, but the noise is a little off putting… Thinking on picking up the DS1823xs+ for mass storage for now and VMs/Docker stored on my main PC.

[@NoelSlevin]

I'd be interested to see the VM virtualization capabilities of the device.

[@Chris-0999]

They are great for it. We use a 3621xs+ at work as our primary backup server. I have spun up multiple VM's at a time when hardware failure on the host has necessitated it. The Synology interface with Hyper-V makes backups incredibly simple and the restoration is a clean process rather you want to run it on the synology, restore it back to the original host or even restore it to another Hyper-V host. I cannot speak to VMware as we are a Hyper-V only shop. Also, in a rack full of Dell PE's the noise is not noticeable, unlike our old DATO...

[@Totototo-nr8dh]

Hello, Nice video. Any ETA for the video about the fan remplacement? 😊

[@ColbyPerry]

Curious to see if you could get more than 20gb/s speeds on the NIC and what kind of operations you're able to do that with.

[@SpaceRexWill]

Just got a company to send me a 25 gig NIC that works with MacOS so I absolutely will be doing a video on this!

[@DaystromDataConcepts]

It always amazes me that such high end hardware has such a noisy cooling system. Surely at this price point a far quieter, better designed cooling arrangement can be devised.

[@glarecode]

They like to use cheap high rpm fans.

[@bhart1]

"high end"... lolwut

[@stan8926]

In the rack in the server room. To fight the other servers for the noise champion.

[@philippemiller4740]

Lovely edit 😊👍

[@santhoshyamsani4831]

We did connected the RS2423+ in the RAC and power supply is on. Now we tried connecting to the Laptop where we face issue connecting the box for initial setup.

[@user-qo6bg6pl8d]

Are you using it in a controled environment (in a rack at a machine room) ? Could this be used in a simple room ?

[@jeffnew1213]

Apparently, since there's only a single PCIe slot and no M.2 sockets onboard, you can't put both a 25GbE and NVMe SSD cache in together. Knocks this unit out of contention for me. Wasn't happy about the AMD processor either.

[@IntoxicatedVortex]

Hmmmm… I wonder if a swap out with Noctua fans would work with it. I've done this with an RS1221+ and even on full speed fan mode it's significantly quieter than the OEM fans. I permanently have it on cool mode and it's silent (SSDs inside). It is warmer than with the OEM fans for sure but the room its in is climate controlled so the impact is only a few degrees that's still well away from 60⁰C.

[@SpaceRexWill]

So I actually found a way via SSH to manually modify the fan curve! much quieter now

[@IntoxicatedVortex]

@@SpaceRexWill Sweet! But quieter and quiet are two wildly different things, especially when rack mount is concerned.

[@JunZhouPlus]

​@@SpaceRexWill Really looking forwards to see how quiet you managed to get it to be. Please please do a follow up video. Also curious if the same hack applies to the extension unit (RX1223RP) as well?

[@natarem]

@@SpaceRexWilldid you make a video on this fan speed modification? I searched but couldn’t find it.

[@Totototo-nr8dh]

@@SpaceRexWill Hello, can you do a tutorial? :D

[@marcosdellavalle2309]

Hello SpaceRex, on this case with 6HD and 6SD how should the whole setup be used to take advantage of SSD (speed), basically my questions : what data should be installed on which drives for max performance?

[@Davysoft]

Curious about the hard drives from Synology versus other brands in comparison the price range. Does Synology accept other brands off HDDs than their own?

[@mike_pj]

These are definitely loud, but it looks like they've improved fan control with the RS2423+. I have the RS2418+ ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZvWqahopbWsf6M ) and it was relatively quiet if you didn't add an expansion card. As soon as you add a 10GbE card though, it would force you out of the quiet mode and be quite a bit louder. I'm curious if you notice a difference when the 25GbE card isn't installed.

[@BC-hs4bd]

Thanks for the great Channel and many great videos! - Any chance you can talk a bit slower? - at several points we have to rewind to understand.... Thanks again !

[@roelservice]

Hi SpaceRex, can you help out? I have an ds723+ (with 2x8tb non btrfs) and bought an ds923+ plus one 8tb drive, to upgrade to btrfs. So my plan is to set the 923+ with 1 drive to brtfs, transfer everything to that ds923+ and when that is done I shut down The 723+ and format The drives and add them to The 923+. Would The best option be to use Synology Drive, sync Nas to Nas. And when everything is synced shut down The 723+? In this way i dont need double The space, like you would with Hyper Backup. And would it be a smart thing to transfer The DSM settings etc first by The migration tool? Love to hear what you think

[@supernumex]

You need a better screwdriver 😆

[@SpaceRexWill]

Leatherman for life!

[@Rummel806]

Please test the VMM with multiple VMs

[@jorgemtds]

If you redo your work twice, it means you did it 3 times, right? 😉

[@hugodsa89]

That’s an airplane taking off man 🤣

[@normswan5806]

So, you can seem like you're vacuuming in there, too!

[@byrd203]

there's studdies been done 1 drive fails during the rebuild because of stress your done for any thing over 4 tb per drive raid 6 only with anther backup copy

[@SpaceRexWill]

Link the study

[@byrd203]

Do not use raid 5 its a bad idea with systems now days raid 6 and up they rebuild can fail on raid 5 because of the bigger drives too if over 2 tb a drive use raid 6

[@SpaceRexWill]

I whole hearty disagree with this comment. Its been going around IT guys since the 90s

[@leexgx]

Depends what your doing, raid6 or SHR2 is recommended because it can handle dual faults (failed/repairing + problems with another drive or second full failure) It's a USB or SATA DOM (not so-dimm)

[@PunkrockNoir-ss2pq]

I'll pay you if you can get my Home Assistant container to interact with the google cast devices on a different subnet or w/e. I don't plan on using them but I just want to know how. SHOWN how I should say (if you think ur so tuff)

[@pbrigham]

Your face of disappointment with the noise :), they should have something silence for sure, just change it.

[@SpaceRexWill]

I was able to find how to change it manually in SSH

[@TheMT01]

Please share!@@SpaceRexWill

[@chrispeden979]

Worrying about the noise of a piece of enterprise rack mount gear meant for a server room or datacenter is just weird. Nobody is gonna think about putting their rack in the same room as their staff.

[@SpaceRexWill]

For me I have a ton of video production houses that I work with that this sever with this expansion would be perfect for. But a good chunk of them do not have a dedicated server room

[@shubinternet]

Spoilier! 😂😂😂