Gaming is Dying: Casual Multiplayer is DEAD

[@neoconker2k8]

To me KZbin and Twitch ruined casual PVP.

[@lamp6307]

The competitive market killed online gaming

[@MikeyVClips]

You are absolutely right. Everyone wanting to be a pro gaming streamer

[@neoconker2k8]

@MikeyVClips Yup , it's annoying to see where it's gone. I remember the days of casual pvp , before the days of everyone looking up the meta day 1 . The internet has done many great things, but this one I feel is a bad one.

[@RaineErasmusWalker]

Truth

[@DoctorObviously]

A part of me understands casual people going from game to game: very few games are good enough to hook you. To give you an example, I have over 320 hours in Doom 2016. I spent more time playing a fast paced arena twitch shooter than I played Skyrim, and I love Skyrim. From the day of release until I think late, late 2018 I never stopped playing the single player campaign. It was the good kind of addiction where I couldn't stop playing but I also had fun. So when I picked up games I missed during the literal years that I stuck my head in Doom, I discovered that very few of them were as good. That's a thing with gaming nowadays that people don't see: there are far more games out there than there ever were, and the quality varies wildly. In the past, great games came out regularly simply because they had more space and time to breathe. Like, people complain about Crash 4 being padded, and sure, that may be true, but if the core of the game is as good as everyone says, I'll play the shit out of that when it comes to PC. It's a true singleplayer game without crafting, with great graphics, with an amazing presentation, made by people who like video games. Because really, what do we have to look forward to?

[@jakobdesrosiers6704]

Oh my god the warmth in my heart when you mentioned the toxicity and lack of casual gameplay for Siege. They get mad when casuals play ranked, but then any casual match I joined I got killed or kicked before I could even play.

[@DK-gl3ih]

They removed kicking from casual

[@lamp6307]

​@@DK-gl3ihit's still horrid on casual , it's filled people who play 24 hours and study the game daily no fun nor relaxation found in that monstrosity at all.

[@DK-gl3ih]

@@lamp6307 that’s because your probably playing people around your skill level

[@kazum1809]

@@DK-gl3ihnope I’ve been out in games with people who are silver I’m not even ranked I literally just started playing

[@BoleDaPole]

I had fun in siege until I got to high level ranked, it's dominated by sweats, MKB users and ofc hacks. But the worst thing is getting DDOS attacks, left after being randomly booted off the internet for the 10th time playing ranked siege

[@goosefraba7510]

And sbmm is super prominent in games nowadays. I miss the days when it was genuinely random. Sometimes I'd get absolutely stomped. Sometimes I would kick ass. Now every game I get into im ALWASY middle of the score bored with lets say 12 kills and 11 deaths cause every game im playing against sweaty players I can't play casually anymore. In response I've noticed myself playing more single player games.

[@mshankute]

Damn bro called it with 2042. No protagonist but the most marketed character is a black NB.

[@DrKreiger]

Cod fostered the pump and dump culture, where the player base moves on after a month, when they got rid of dedicated servers.

[@BornRemaining]

That's also an apt description of how the players treat each other since all they have to do is que up and the game finds other players for them. Bringing that concept into WoW is absolutely what killed it for many players. RDF slaughtered player interaction.

[@Brandonwc20]

@@BornRemaining lmfao delusional at best. Random players are more skilled then dedicated teams. Your forced to work with different people and tactics. What has killed gaming? People in there God damn feelings. If you can't speak to and communicate in a productive way to random strangers.. GAMING IS NOT FOR YOU.

[@AngryCommonSense]

@@BornRemaining RDF was in the original wrath expansion and it had 12 million subscribers. WoW and CoD are not even remotely similar. Spamming “LF tank then g2g!” In trade for hours, is not social interaction.

[@BornRemaining]

@@AngryCommonSense "Added in 2009 as part of the last major content patch for the original Wrath of the Lich King expansion, the Dungeon Finder made it so players no longer needed to look for groups manually or travel to dungeons directly" That patch (3.3) didn't come out until even the stragglers in my guild were running the dungeons that dropped lvl80 epic BOEs like candy. Finding people through chat and guilds required time and effort, making party members far less disposable and guilds important, leading people to actually socialize with each other. It was only before 3.3 that I'd met online friends in the game that I ended up exchanging Xmas gifts with in the mail, a foreign concept the later players. If it's just automated ques, then yes, it is very much like the multiplayer culture that defines your shootybangs. Not a difficult set of concepts to grasp, dude.

[@AngryCommonSense]

@@BornRemaining dude? Lol first off I’ve played the game since the beginning, Nov 2004, and I can tell you that WoW hype was at its peak when RDF came out. It offered the best of every world, you could be as hardcore or as casual as you wanted to be. All RDF did was form the group for you, it didn’t do the dungeon. And one of the main vanilla developers said he wanted RDF in the game from the beginning, they just couldn’t get it in until 3.3 And exchanging gifts and all of that other crap you are talking about is bull crap. WoW is a mmo yes, but it’s a video game. And video games are meant to be played, and to have fun. That’s why wow wrath classic is failing right now, if you aren’t already in a guild or have a group of friends, you’re screwed, real social huh? And you completely dodged how I destroyed your argument where you tried to compare WoW to CoD. But anyway, I’ve got too much experience to be arguing with someone with your name/profile picture. Your opinion sucks and you are not gonna change my mind so good luck spamming trade dude and telling yourself “the game is social now, I’m Having fun!” Bye bud. Really don’t even bother responding, you can but I’m not done responding. Bye bud.

[@BornRemaining]

The death of couch co-op is driving my husband and I up a wall. We like playing RE5 together, but it gets old fast when we can't bounce between 2-4 games while avoiding the ones we don't like. I've recently realized that the current problems in the gaming industry can basically all be traced back to FPS online multiplayers, sport simulators and moba/FaceBook "games". Every modern game I can think of and know anything about has suffered from trends created by those three genres. It's really fitting, though. They all already have the most cancer right on their surfaces to begin with. FPS players aren't there for actual gaming; they're there to screech over the tactical shooty-bangs they can't do IRL. FPS players pioneered the notion that all players are expendable because of automatic queing and that there's no need to have decent interaction. Sport-sim players also aren't even there because they're gamers; they want to play sports and feel like they're good at it without having to get off the couch. They treat their own games as disposable with the continuous new versions every year. There's nothing more casual and vapid than moba, and they gave us normalized microtransactions.

[@BenRai2k]

I've played re5 many times, one thing you could do to extend its life is play thru the game on pro and don't use the shop between chapters and don't store items away. So you can only carry what you can carry thru the whole game. Sometimes you need to discard guns. It's a good challenge.

[@smoknocean2564]

Look up Outward it was my favorite game of 2019, it's an RPG with old school mechanics and it has couch co-op if that s your thing.

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

@@smoknocean2564 I was going to suggest exactly that.

[@kickass2733]

Dude if you wanna play a badass co op game, dust off that old ps2 or og ps3 and pop in Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks. Awesome beat em up style game almost like og god of war with fatalities and brutalities and stage kills. It’s extremely fun

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

@@kickass2733 If Ps2 games are an option, Ratchet: Gladiator (or Deadlocked, depending on your region) was awesome too. I spent many evenings playing that with my brother.

[@kennethbowers2897]

A big red flag is companies not listening to the communities i.e ignoring their fan-base for a specific franchise/genre. Because they know if they listen and make a game that people WANT, that WANT to be hooked on for hours on and end, a game that can go the distance of time will not make them the money as apposed to making a game, riding on it for a year or so then dumping it to make another. It's profit over longevity of a good solid game.

[@ynraider]

This comment = the most-correct anwser.

[@sir-scroogins1063]

Surprised I haven't stumbled onto your channel sooner you just got a new sub, great video man. I completely agree with you, I am 25 now, and just watching the industry plummet It hurts my soul.

[@chemergency]

I think the AAA development scene in Europe is imploding, considering what's been going-on with Dying Light 2 and VTM: Bloodlines 2 and the statement released by Ubisoft recently, might be some early reverberations of Cyberpunk 2077's impact. You might talk about that at some point.

[@alphabroncotwozero392]

I really don't like european games

[@Gruntvc]

Vampire in particular was not looking promising. They should completely restart development and try to be more faithful to the 1st one. As for Dying Light 2, I really would've preferred Techland make a new Call of Juarez or a game with a science fiction setting like Chrome. Extremely tired of zombies.

[@chemergency]

@@alphabroncotwozero392 They're overrated. Euro indie games are pretty good but Euro AAA games suck.

[@Underground3]

@@Gruntvc They might as well just cancelled VTM: Bloodlines 2 at this point. Since many key people who was working on the game was either drop or left the studio due to creative differences.

[@guilherme100099]

@@Gruntvc Well,zombies might be way too tired out already,but we really need more fun parkour games like Prince of Persia and Mirror's Edge. And hell no, Assassin's Creed doesn't take that role,i'm not sure if it ever did. I get kinda pissed when people say that AC replaced Prince of Persia

[@nestormelendez9005]

The community for seige is such a interesting place, its the community that expects you to clutch a 1v4 in 10 seconds playing "secure "also the the communty that team kills you for picking their main, boarding up one single door they dont like , or just for the hell of it.i had a conversation with a guy telling ubisoft to return team killing so they can joink cavera's hostage and i tell him why dont you just shoot cavera?

[@SyntheticMan]

They might as well just get rid of friendly fire at this point. Any sense of realism for it is gone, and now people will purposely kill themselves on Goyo traps to get you kicked.

[@BigGreen945]

Team killing should definitely be removed. All it does is just promote the toxicity of the community.

[@wikz8480]

That’s why we love siege

[@nestormelendez9005]

@@wikz8480 nope

[@whitemagedende3591]

Havent got a single kill in siege. Downloaded it on sale thought it looked cool but after getting team killed then going against a couple hackers i quit. Shame cuz it looked so fun

[@alexandrecampos1391]

Among us is Space Station 13 for normies, and i find it weird that no one ever pointed that out.

[@zauxst]

I did to my friends. But I can't blame them for not beeing able to handle ss13. BYOND is bad as fi and the choppy movement of ss13 makes it hard to get into it.

[@spimpsmacker6422]

Nah it's more like a poor man's Trouble in Terrorist Town. There's so few base maps it would make a launch release CoD multiplayer look packed with content, the gameplay is so dull and repetitive: it's basically just scroll around a 2d map, play uninteresting minigames, and pray to god you don't get instantly murdered before you get called in to a meeting to frantically scream at who the imposter is even though you can't see shit half the fucking time. It's also extremely minimal and inflexible with mods, and even the few mods that do exist add little to nothing to the experience in comparison to the god-like shit you can play with in TTT.

[@TheReZisTLust]

I thought it was Town if Salem but with extra steps

[@paulf631]

Oh and I highly recommend the Original Max Payne one of the best 3rd person shooters to Balance story and gameplay quite well

[@acehood9953]

max payne is the goat.

[@goosefraba7510]

Never got to play the first or 2nd. But I play tffff out of the 3rd by rockstar. Actually one of my absolute favourites too.

[@acehood9953]

@@goosefraba7510 the second one still holds up on pc. Especially the story. Pick it up if you can.

[@REDEEMERWOLF]

I played that recently. The nightmare stage is so bad it ruined the game for me. Fuck Max Payne. Are the sequels better.?

[@acehood9953]

@@REDEEMERWOLF Yeah the nightmare scene is horrendous tbh. The second and third are awesome. Try them.

[@theamazinghippopotomonstro9942]

I feel your pain. My favorite game is TF2 and I'm lucky for it to have a lively multiplayer since 2007 even with valve not updating it. Never liked competitive multiplayer, I play games to have fun not to be stressed out even more

[@captainjackass9405]

Exactly, I honestly don't understand about the whole craze about online FPS games

[@PootisPenserPow]

TF2 is still my favorite, too. None shall dethrone the king.

[@beetheimmortal]

This design philosophy is really cancerous. Just think back to the times when games like Unreal Tournament were released. Also Quake, CS and such. Even L4D.

[@ClarkesonTheMarksman]

I loved unreal tournament

[@Narko_Marko]

those games are still played a lot

[@beetheimmortal]

@@Narko_Marko Yeah, while all the new ones die in a week. I wonder why...

[@Narko_Marko]

@@beetheimmortal which ones?

[@beetheimmortal]

@@Narko_Marko Left 4 Dead 2 is a great example, so is CS 1.6. Meanwhile B4B died faster than Evolve, the new Battlefield is absolute trash, so is every COD.

[@Ak1r0]

I was wondering why I just stopped playing MP games a few years ago all of a sudden. Just completely dropped them one day, then I realized. MP games aren't fun anymore. Now games are just for the try-hards and the e-sports pros. I was really shocked when I saw Infinity Ward going back to MW2 and nurfing stuff. The guys are such party poopers that they nurfed Model 1887 years after the game was relevant while ACR, Intervention and UMP were untouched (these 3 are completely broken in a good hands, especially on PC). Thus making the game less fun for people that liked running around instead of camping a corner. Essentially a decision to appease the vocal try-hards. Fun in games isn't allowed anymore. MP games are for making pros happy and (thus) making money. That's it.

[@F.M671]

that's so untrue. Most of the people that play games are not pro or good by definition. Usually about 80% of the playerbase is average. Problem is taking out the fun from games. I remember times where there were bullshit op strats that outshone every other playstyle. People complained about it but at the end of the day ,nobody cared since everybody would employ them and "do a little trolling" now and then. Is it balanced? Fuck no, but is balance fun? Mediocrity? Stability? Those are not fun and yet all I can hear while talking about LoL or R6 is this word. Companies trying to balance their games is what's killing the MP games. To keep going you need to win now and then ,if you don't you ll simply burn out. We need to bring the good old tough luck mentality to replace the kiddo communities crying for nerfs.

[@larniieplayz6285]

Fun is completely allowed in games where did you get that from?

[@thedarkdojo5115]

@@F.M671 Deny... Deny... Deny... No one asked for your two cents...

[@paulf631]

Good stuff on the 10K dude you Deserve it As someone who grow up with the 5th generation of gameing I grow up with Single player games so I never played Multiplayer games But I remember when I first play 007 Goldeneye and halo 1 they were pretty much the best Multiplayer games I played But I always remembered when they were Optional sadly I hate how Multiplayer has become the main focus of gameing now

[@necro4468]

I feel like in recent times people just have to literally sweat to win games because they need an ego boost. Casual gamers are getting on after work to enjoy gaming for a few hours while these guys living with mom that have nothing going for them chase wins like its crack because they feel it gives them some form of value. Its like a pro golfer wanting to play with weekend golfers and then thinking hes hot shit for winning lmao. You cant even play a casual game of rocket league without some diamond season champ dunking aerials the whole time and you just got on to sit back and relax. I thought for awhile that maybe i was getting old or outgrowing it but it seems alot of people share the same mindset. The gaming community has gotten so toxic that its driving away life long gamers.

[@iv-koops8388]

You spoke nothing but the truth. A lot of people play as if their life is on the line. If you want to compete with the kids that play 8+ hours a day then you’re gonna have to put in the time to get better and even the money to buy a good monitor. Fuck that though, I’ve been playing single player games the past few months already after being fed up with the online sweats, might I say that I think I’m sticking to single player gaming from now on.

[@thedarkdojo5115]

Exactly... But the try-hards will deny it, anyway...

[@Nebras-yc4sp]

I suggest that you re-watch the games you are playing. There is a feature for this and you will discover that all your words are wrong. Because internet speed and signal delay is the thing that decides if you win or lose sixty percent of the time You may have noticed that many times you will die after running away behind a corner in the There is a big problem with synching

[@AlMashihAdDajjal]

People who live with their mom, hackers, I use to be a gamer as a kid. Now I can’t even play it without getting hacked on. I’m glad I was alive for the peak of it. Now it’s COMPLETELY filled with hackers. Hackers use to be RARE to come by and interesting to see. Now there’s one is any multiplayer game ATLEAST.

[@AysarAburrub]

i hate multiplayer games because i dont have anyone to play with, and playing with randoms online is a BIG NOPE. I prefer single player games where i dont have to worry about anyone ruining my few hours of fun and escapism. Unfortunately, single player games are a rarity these days, and the few that gets made are either half-assed, or they're trying to lecture me about women empowerment and social justice.

[@AysarAburrub]

@@plurs364 i just play monster hunter games HAHA, I played World, Generations Ultimate, and now waiting for Rise and Stories 2 ... this is the only series i play, its very fun and very consumer friendly, and even the community is generally positive.

[@vitalisierend]

I got back into gaming after 5 years and monster hunter is the only game I can enjoy online.

[@AysarAburrub]

@@vitalisierend my man! yeah MH is pretty much the only multiplayer game i can tolerate. But even then, i still mainly play it solo

[@xelldincht8149]

that reminds me of how much fun i had with my friends playing Golden Eye multiplayer on Nintendo 64. We did play normal deathmatch but we also invented our own game mode called "arms dealing" where we had fights to control the territory where the weapons spawn or we made alliances (and betrayed each other later)

[@redbullsauberpetronas]

Tbh though golden eye is a shit game, just its inclusion of multiplayer and playing against friends on the couch is fun in most games

[@b__w_4565]

@@redbullsauberpetronas OK ILL ADMIT.....you literally cannot go back and play goldenye....controls aged terribly.....but man at the time, when we were all used to the crazy n64 controllers. I remember that game being the absolute shit! was just solid fun with a cool campiagn. and the games only got better on the ps2 man.

[@followertheleader]

BR's kind of killed arena shooters and horde mode type of game modes. It's sad that cooperative sandbox is also not really a thing anymore.

[@kunka592]

I think arena shooters were dead for quite a while even before BR's. Epic was working on a new/remake Unreal Tournament title but they just stopped development in 2017. I think it's a combination of a high skill ceiling which doesn't suit consoles as much, and a lot of the charm of custom maps in old titles can't be done too easily now with such high fidelity graphics. Not to mention that the higher fidelity graphics don't actually help the gameplay since it's not realistic to begin with, so more graphics doesn't mean more better for the genre. Also, a lot of players just have a recency bias and a relatively new game type like BR is going to have the popularity advantage in player base.

[@alreadydeadxx2120]

Casual multiplayer is dead, and not only in just Halo. It's because there is a solid 35-45% of pc gamers using 3rd party software or hardware to gain an advantage so you have to sweat your literal fekn blood vessels off to play against literal cyborg players. It gets old and feels exhausting after a while. But if you point it out you're a part of the problem more so than those that are actually part of the problem. Even if you've grinded your a$$ off like I did in Hunt: Showdown and gained 7000 hours of actual skill. Because I am skilled enough to see and call out bullsh!t I am cursed to be hated. People are cheating nowadays just to be average, sadly. This is my truth I bare the burden of knowing, and I'll stand by it until the day I die.

[@JohnLegend2906]

I don't get why people play multi-player knowing full well that there's going to be sweats yet whine anyways.

[@Jackfromshack]

Because hard competitive games never supposed to be fun. It's abou winning. Casual games is about fun, even when you losing (faoo guys, Team Fortress etc.).

[@alreadydeadxx2120]

@@Jackfromshack Theres no true test of skill anymore, ppl cheat to be average

[@x.a.n.a.9397]

Yup I called This back in 2013 future of gaming is a battle of the sweatys

[@thelgpain6529]

Not only sweatys, but cheaters. Aimboting, wall hacking, lag switchers, etc... It used to be a PC thing but now they are on every platform. That takes away a lot of the fun. Knowing you are way more skilled than the players in your lobby and still lose is frustrating. COD, Halo MCC, etc... are just flooded. Aside from that, most games want you to put hundreds of hours to get anything meaningful. Not everybody has the time to play 24/7.

[@sta5011]

More like the tryhards speedrunners etc

[@sta5011]

@@thelgpain6529 Yep, I can tell that even CODM had too many tryhards and wannabe pros

[@ld1330]

Casual multiplayer is absolutely dead ive recently downloaded xdefiant and it’s actually a decent game and I have good friends I play with and it’s a good time the devs have done nothing to make me dislike their game. It’s simply the triaged culture. The Meta culture. The mlg pro culture whatever. I don’t want to dominate Lobies I just want to have a mid game and be .500. And the only solutions to my problem are “skill issue get better” and “don’t play the game” which is unfortunate cause I like the game but I just want to play casually I can’t stand it

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

Always great to see you, bud All love - London UK 😘

[@NEVERKNOWSBE5T]

I think the last casual multiplayer game I really enjoyed was Splatoon 2, I can't say why but something about that game lured me in to trying it out and I ended up playing it every Friday and Saturday night religiously.

[@SammEater]

esports killed casual gaming. Now every game with a multiplayer mode tries to create its own esports segment.

[@inakymarin2385]

I definitely resonate with your distaste of the decline of the multiplayer scene. Maybe you can try out Evolve from 2k? I remember having a bit of fun with that with my friends. I also remember the Killzone trilogy had fun multiplayer, although I do not know if that is the case with Shadow Fall. Also, I know you have a lengthy list of reviews, but I was hoping you can add two more. First I was thinking "Vanquish" which is an older third person linear shooter with a stylish movement mechanic and great sci-fi setting. The last is "Judgement", a relatively new third person detective game with exaggerated beat-em-up mechanics. These are just suggestions that came to mind and hopefully you can give them try.

[@I-Fail-A-Lotl]

I just want casual games to be back, I just want to be happy, not be instant killed or killed by unavoidable shit constantly then he get called a moron

[@hikineet177]

The death to dedicated servers killed online multiplayer.

[@PursuedByAMemory]

Gaming isn't dying, multiplayer game player counts higher than ever before. It's the fact that the attention span of casual players has become so short. If they don't like something they will move on really quick. There's also something to do with streamers, if their favourite streamer isn't playing a game, the casual will stop playing because they think that the game is a "dead game". The fad of streamers playing the shit out of a game for couple weeks and then completely forgetting about them(they are riding the profitability of the game and then move on to the next profitable game) has only made attention spans even smaller. Games like Fall Guys, Rust, Among Us and Valheim(the newest fad) will all be forgotten. It's a sad reality for MP.

[@StormQs.]

You seem like a pretty knowledgeable guy, frfr now wtf is the fad with warzone. Literally all I ever see anyone playing and anytime I go to work its all I hear about. I gave it a legitimate try and I just can't find any fun or worthwhile playing it? No 1 can give me a straight answer

[@savagelogic8674]

Very accurate tbh

[@PursuedByAMemory]

@@StormQs. I didn't see this comment until now. I think the reason why its so popular is the quite simply the great gunplay and graphics of the game. CoD is industry leading in terms of FPS shooter gunplay. I personally hate WZ but the MW19 gunplay is simply great, the guns feels heavy and real, the animation and sound effects for the guns are top notch. It's just a very high budget free game.

[@bughuntwilson5937]

A surprise to be sure but a welcome one also what you thought on rpgs?

[@SyntheticMan]

I enjoy them sparingly. They're often too simplistic gameplay-wise to hold my attention unless the story is really good. I think Tactics RPGS are more my style over JRPGS. Action-rpgs are some of my favorite games of all time, notably Dark Souls and Kingdom Hearts. So, yeah I guess I like them but classic JRPGS specifically haven't aged well.

[@chemergency]

@@SyntheticMan Gotta love that Xenogears music at the end of your videos though.

[@bughuntwilson5937]

@@SyntheticMan okay gotta ask you another question was there any cancelled game you wished became a reality?

[@nicklasveva]

And now a lot of the community who actually engages with the rest of the community are pushing for the removal of skill based matchmaking... I feel like these people watch their favourite cracked streamer say "SBMM sucks, you guys! It's bad because something!", and then they all fall for it even though they will be on the receiving end. SBMM is literally the only way to TRY and chill today. But most games are absolutely littered with smurf accounts. I've been playing apex legends ranked with my friends for a few months and the majority of the time we get killed by a lvl 300+ team. Meaning each of them are at least lvl 300. And we are barely collectively 300 with our levels... You might ask yourself what lvl 300 people are doing in a rookie division lobby. Well, money. These people wouldn't be playing the game if they couldn't stomp lvl 5 noobs. These people pay for a power fantasy. And I just don't have the time or effort to play 12 hours of the exact same game every day. Which puts me in the basket of deplorables in all battle royales. And people are generally just way more toxic and sweaty. If you aren't as good as them, they shit on you in team chat. Your enemies will use every single little advantage they can take, such as exploits or weapons that need nerfs. Not just sometimes, but EVERY TIME. Honour is dead.

[@dancingturkey147]

Gen z wouldn't play splitscreen even if it existed still. Back when I tried to play games with my cousin he only ever sat on his phone looking through instagram

[@loope9421]

My first online game was Halo 3 it was simple enough to play but there’s was a huge skill gap between good and bad players which I loved. Recently I’ve grown tired of overwatch and COD, they’re not bad games but they all rely on cosmetics instead of content like making more maps and game modes. My go to games are now fighting games since I atleast know I won’t get defeated by a casual noob and they take lots of skill.

[@PootisPenserPow]

Allow me to introduce: the button masher

[@FatherSaunders]

I have 0 suggestions for multiplayer or otherwise man. I havent had a game even excite me (you know that ever evasive feeling of "cant wait to get home to play this fucking game!") in six years or so. Its pathetic. Of course I dont have a perfect answer either as Ive been gaming since I was six years old back in '85' What the hell can be made that I havent played the hell out of or experienced in some way to death already? Then I think that is a shit thing to think because games only limitations is ones imagination which is limitless so how can there not be a game or games made that bring someone like me back in? I dont know man. It has just felt like "its over" for over half a fucking decade and my most beloved hobby outside of weight training is gone never to really come back in any meaningful way to me. I have went as long as 18 months without touching a game this last gen (ps4) and never has that ever happened up until that point so I also dont want to hear "nostalgia chaser" or "you just got older" Fuck that! If it had been an age thing it most definitely would have happened long before I turned 35 six years ago for damn sure. Hell I didnt even buy a ps4 until halfway into 2015 because I saw the fucking writing on the wall and where gaming was heading towards the tail end of the 7th generation. Roughly 2012 or 2013 when it really hit that this was going in a direction that was utter shit and wasnt for me anymore even though Im part of the generation who supported gaming from its fucking infancy having the Atari 2600 as my first. Another great vid. Lets you and I and others like minded get a time machine, go back and gatekeep THE MOTHER FUCK out of this hobby. Same with movies, music and comics LOL.

[@smoknocean2564]

Deep Rock Galactic is a game that revived that feeling for me, closing in on 1k hours it's the only game I've been playing for 2 years now, I still play other games but I get bored quickly then go back to it. It's unfortunately not on PlayStation if that is the only console you have but I think they re talking with Sony to bring it over there eventually.

[@FatherSaunders]

@@smoknocean2564 you are correct its not on playstation. I have wanted to play that for a while now but Im not going to buy a gaming pc or xbox to do so. Thank you though.

[@stanettiels7367]

Ditto.

[@marbl3d45]

Edgelord spotted

[@jasonbennardini7756]

Hearing the halo music in the background as we talk about my favorite franchise being dead hurts me inside. No one will ever beat Spartan 117 the chief

[@SomeCanine]

Multiplayer games have been dead for at least 10 years. Normies have ruined them. There's too many MP games and normies flood in and out of games like the tide. The devs/publishers cater to the normies to try to get a payday.

[@swordguy1243]

Winthin cells interlinked within cells interlinked within cells interlinked

[@tigerash2061]

Congratulations on getting 10k. I don't really play multiplayer games because I don't care about them. I always preferred to play games on single player. I've recently played A Hat in Time and I'm currently playing through the Yakuza games for the first time.

[@Kobekyuubi]

I remember growing up I always played the versus modes from re5 and re6 and I was addicted and loved them. They never had a huge regular playerbase but they had a loyal fanbase whereost people who played knew eachother to some extent. I played these games up until 10 years after re5 even came out... It didnt have a million dlc or constant content being added, but they were fun, and put together. As well as unique to those games and aren't cop and pastes of other games

[@Strife1425]

Same!

[@Godpk11]

I was having a really sh*t day until I saw your video in my notification. Thanks man.

[@darkparallax8459]

I miss gears of war 2 wingman mode. What a blast that was. And I’m pretty sure that was the only one with that mode too.

[@kenshiroeltounsi9557]

most of the gaming world is dead i hope it can be saved but i don't expect to

[@DondrellTv]

Everyone that was born in the year 2000 and after is fucking up gaming

[@OldFashioned751]

I was spoilt because I enjoyed gaming in the early 2001 and every game that came out was great, the new consoles were always better than the last. The last 10 years of gaming for me has died and after 35 years of gaming I’m putting down my controller for good. Growing up, responsibilities change, but not gona lie a tear comes to me when I think of all the great games and multiplayer games I played with some great people all over the world.

[@moister3727]

Congrats on the 10k, the algorithm really makes wonders

[@DearMink_X]

Rainbow six is dying from a company who is not trying their best and also from everyone just ddossing and hacking, and generally being toxic like xbox 360. Y6 Roadmap is insulting, balancing in the game is very strange

[@ncrxghost8075]

There roadmap as been the same for years

[@DearMink_X]

@@ncrxghost8075 What you mean?

[@ncrxghost8075]

@@DearMink_X Operator, map, event, 2 arcade game modes every season it’s been the same for a while

[@ynraider]

"Warframe" = "Fashionframe"... I did not enjoy the grind of that game, but the casual play is THERE...

[@gagefisher4785]

The issues you've brought up are precisely why my friends and I have gone back to games like Halo. Plenty of things to cater to all types of people: Comp, Casual, Firefight, Customs, Forge, and Campaign, and the "season passes" that don't expire and don't require any currency to participate in. Plus it's just a blast to go back and play classic games on classic maps.

[@michaelschafer9331]

First time being on this channel and I already agree with most of everything you said. I feel like at most gaming is convient on the go for me and that's why I use a switch to play indie games

[@henkhenkste6076]

I went from only playing online multiplayer in most games to avoiding it all together for one simple reason: greedy devs being too cheap to invest in anti cheat or even refusing to put in time to ban hackers. Every online game is ruined by speed hacks, drop hacks, aim bots and other cheaters within a few months nowadays.

[@TheAmaizeing]

What killed halo for me was them removing FFA. So I'm forced to play Team based games with vegetables as teammates, fighting professional sweaties.

[@Halo1138]

I'm pretty sure Rumble Pit is still on the MCC though.

[@ThDragoomba]

All I care are single player games which are thriving. Soo, idc if multiplayer games are dying lol. Edit: I mean ,I like co op and local multiplayer,but not online with random people

[@dasik84]

Multiplayer has never been gaming. That's why I love Secret World and Elder Scrolls Online. They are basically single player games - as every game should - where you see other players but don't need to interact with them at all.

[@RickTheriaultJrII]

A lot of good points made in this video. Yeah, with that whole multiplayer thing, that's a lot of the reason I don't play multiplayer games as much anymore. And you're spot on with battle royale games. They're way to random yet for some stupid reason they're trying to make them competitive. Makes absolutely no sense. Fighting games could be worth taking a look into as I've played quite a few of them especially Tekken which I've put 1000s of hours into. The problem with fighting games those is that they tend to have really bad netcodes and getting into as a first timer can be a nightmare unless you play Smash Bros. and maybe Mortal Kombat. Really helps to have someone who already has some experience with them to help you learn them; they can be really rewarding if you do.

[@unclerennon7042]

17:43 it’s so funny you say that cause now we have Sundance on bf 2042. 😳🤣

[@alanlee67]

The 2010s was the decade of addicting people to playing so little content over and over for dopamine hits. The problem is purely that modern western devs are lazy millennials that "quiet quit." The videogame industry was revolutionized by Japan where western "crunch" is just another workday. Just look up what bungie went through to make halo. Moreover, legends like shigeru miyamoto and hironobu Sakaguchi are notorious for being hard to work for...even for Japanese who work exponentially harder than westerners. Western millennials think it's too much and you'll kill yourself but miyamoto and Sakaguchi look perfectly healthy to me in their old age and they are living legends and their games changed lives.

[@3093DaNieLe3093]

Wanna know how we know gaming is dying? Whats the last enjoyable game released and never touched again by its developers with patches or dlc that lasted ,in your gaming list,over a year? Ye that's sad.

[@n1njahawkssecondchannel84]

I miss when I could just put a game in without updating and downloading. I hope one day this Greedy madness ends And gaming goes back to normal until then it’s gonna be a mega long time Before I can buy things again. Thank you for making this comment I’m happy I’m not the only one to notice.

[@Gruntvc]

I think the last CoD I played online was Ghost lol. Really don't care for multiplayer only focused games now, especially stuff like Fortnite that has ruined other games with its bad art style alone. Multiplayer used to be fun and reward ya for good games. Now? Gambling and pay to win galore. Might check out a co op game like Warhammer 40k Darktide. Finished Paranoia 2, Opposing Force, And Blue Shift. Started Paranoia 1, pretty good for a Half Life 1 mod.

[@tristenatorplaysgames6833]

Honestly the smartest thing is create a game that burns out the competitive sweat guys fast and then that leaves space for the casuals to take their spot and you repeat that cycle infinitely if you can create a cycle like that the game can be stable and the developers can feel less pressured

[@DangerIncFilms]

Regarding Siege, I’d say the same thing that happened to Call of Duty happened to Siege. It’s been around for so long with little to no changes to the core gameplay that it’s pretty much inaccessible for new players, or original players trying to pick it back up. It doesn’t help that Ubisoft seems intent on purging any and all random chaotic fun because the “pros” and “esports” crowd can’t handle even a little bit of RNG in their precious little tournaments.

[@ELGUAPOIV]

I think I'm just burned out on multiplayer games. I still will play them with friends or a group of people I know, but I rarely last an hour playing solo these days. I just don't have the drive to improve in these games anymore. I'm 24, and I've been playing multiplayer games since I was 13. I think I've just grown out of the need to improve at this stuff. I would rather play a story driven game or a game I can enjoy by myself with no pressure to do well in.

[@machina5]

Titanfall 2 is still my go to game, just cause it's fun and casual friendly. They axed the franchise in favor of more battle royale, and despite it being 3 years since it's gotten any support, it's still just way too much fun to drop into a game, bounce and swing around, and blow up big robots. Edit: The more of this I hear, the more I want you to try Titanfall. I think it's right up your alley.

[@Asaylum117]

The problem is also the fact that a lot of the GOOD multiplayer games that are known have their servers shut down since a lot of people focus on latest & newest consoles instead. For example I had fun playing Killzone 2 Multiplayer on PS3 when the servers were still online. But once they were shut down, I became sad, because it was one of the few console online games I personally enjoyed playing. It's just a shame that a lot of people, especially game companies care less about their old/retro player base & only care about how much they can shove in the newest & modern thing down on people's throats. Unfortunately I got my PS3 during the PS4's launch, so I unfortunately missed out on the online experience that was more varied when 7th Gen consoles were still popular. Halo 3 online looked so much fun & because of that I wanted an XBOX 360, but the issue came with the fact that the online for XBOX 360 was pretty much that you had to pay for it just to play online. While PS3's online was & still is free which made me disappointed that Sony along with Nintendo years later decided to make the online play more money based, instead of it being free. Like a person already pays for the game & also pays bills which includes Wi-Fi, so why the hell they charge extra money just to play online now? It's sad how greed & fame has truly corrupted people in a negative way & it seems like it won't go away anytime soon.

[@iv-koops8388]

Man the hit a nostalgia nerve when you mentioned killzone 2 😢 that was my first ever multiplayer game and you could bet I sunk thousands of hours into it! It wasn’t sweaty, the movement being clunky and slow actually made it feel like a fun and casual shooter. Now everyone always has to find a meta way of playing because they think they are gonna be the next big thing in e-sports.

[@dacirtiggett4038]

Congrats on the 10K

[@_krulec]

This video is still relevant. Plenty of people in the comments lack the ability to see 3 feet in front of them. Wokeness is still ruining games. Halo is sweaty af, especially when compared to the Reach days. The new Battlefail 2042 game was heavily marketed to show off their rainbow character no one asked for. It's gonna get worse because of many of you clapping seals digesting anything these AAA companies vomit up for you. Thanks for supporting bad practices. These companies would struggle without you shills. Casual gaming is dead (until further notice).

[@CharityDiary]

On Xbox, split-screen actually isn't dead--it's the only form of multiplayer offered by 99% of games. Vast majority of Xbox titles these days have local co-op only. And yet, Microsoft doesn't have the technology to make a tool that allows us to play local co-op online? Nintendo did this years ago with their older NES and SNES titles, and it works flawlessly with no lag. I'm just saying, split-screen is great, but if that's all developers are gonna do, we need a way to play split-screen online.

[@Vindiorix]

Love this guy. But I've always been a casual gamer. I play sometimes competitive because it can feel good, but typically I prefer casual gaming.

[@lendrigangames]

Do you watch any NerdSlayer? When you talked about how after the casuals leave a season, the hardcore competitives muscle everyone else out, it sounded similar to the sheep & wolves conundrum of pvp-focused MMOs: the competitive wolves provide the longevity, but if they run out of casual sheep, they eat each other. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i161fXaid710bbM

[@weirdo3116]

Honestly i thought the entire point was to get rid of casuals from gaming. And this point is why I'm against that idea

[@outloud_overthinking]

It really jazzes me up when I see your video coming out.

[@DynamicOverload]

I'm a Singleplayer type through and through. The last few years there were no Multiplayer games I could bring myself to play for more than a few hours. A few years prior to that I had at least some Multiplayer games I could play a descent amount of time. But what I always highly appreciate is a good local multiplayer mode. Ps: Yes for the Runescape Retro Review.

[@Blingbling496]

This what I hate about cod. These jumping, sliding shots and kills... Yeah is somewhat realistic, when you let out the weapons physic, but this jumping shit is so annoying. I just play modern warfare because friends playing it.

[@cbrown9287]

Ever played Dayz? It's pretty fun. A mix of adventure, survival, zombie killing and intense gunbattles. I borderline hate CoD at this point, I have no idea what it's trying to replicate or simulate. Nobody in the military powerslides and jumps up and down until they one shot someone with a 10lbs sniper rifle. The dev's along with 50% of the playerbase have never shot real firearms. I'd enjoy watching them attempt to shoot dual sawed off 12 gauge shotguns at the same time though.

[@nyxxose]

An indie co-op game DOES exist now! Deep Rock Galactic has been an absolute blast for me, and has the perfect mesh of solo, casual and hardcore experiences that almost anyone can enjoy. Sure you’ll still have to pay for an online subscription (If you’re on console) but its free on game-pass for xbox and playstation. Give it cross-play, and it’ll be unstoppable.

[@erosion01]

Planetside 2 still kicking after 9 years, its AA, its casual. You can play it in many different ways, you get the best guns as a starter. There is no matchmaking and it is perpetual, which means you exist alongside the best allies and greatest enemies. You will be killed by everything all the time but the key here is that you as a player are not under pressure about dying. You respawn after a short duration and continue feeding the fights, it is an underrated gem and quite the beautiful spectacle at times. You might like it based on the criticisms I heard, but I do not know you so I would be interested in your opinion. It is also free, it does have in game paid camos and armor sets, some special cosmetically tweaked guns as well. But you also unlock a few camos and armors as you progress. Overall however it is never a fashion contest anyway, everyone is there for the massive fights.

[@ChrisRstep]

I didn’t know my thoughts had a KZbin channel PS I wish you mentioned the great days of Spies Vs Mercs but anyway thank you for making this video

[@Solodolo84]

Face it. The industry is in the trash. I say it all the time, if you are a certain age and you remember what used to be, these companies view us not apart of their key demographics. If you play, cool, if not, they will gain another customer to replace you. We know how to change the landscape, but most people are afraid to not only speak out on the crap, but they adhere to the fuckery. They roll over and settle for less. I hear "dont like it dont play it" but heaven forbid if you have an opinion against something a mass amount of people like. Its crazy. You hit home with the destiny gun nerf. I was a suros fan, they nerfed it, I left the game. That was the only gun I felt comfortable with. 🤷

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

When the youtube loading circle perfectly aligns with your scope XD

[@ex_cathedra4237]

Glad there's SOMEBODY out there who likes Gambit... I logged into Destiny just to play that. Very cool mode.

[@troypowers750]

People who use the scar sv and as val: hang on...

[@stanettiels7367]

Used to play Socom and did so for years. Never been an online shooter since. I miss those days.

[@S3M8T3RY]

I would definitely tune into your runescape stream if you did one

[@threedrunkmen3791]

I’m glad I skipped Halo 5, it looked sus ever since the trailers. When it finally came out my friend literally called me and told me not to buy it. I could borrow his copy if I really wanted to play it just as long as I didn’t spend money on it. Years later after I paid 1 dollar for 3 years of game pass did I play it. I still want a refund for my dollar.

[@FearNot777]

Love your honest opinions, good to see someone not afraid to speak their mind.

[@user-ks8bb2xx7s]

Team Fortress 2 on 2021-MAR-10: *4681.7* hrs :)

[@Zeriel00]

It's impossible to be a casual gamer in MP games. If you're not dedicated to getting good 24/7 like a 12 year old you will get one shotted as soon as you join. If you actually do good for once you get moved up the ladder and put up against pros that will stomp you. There's just no having fun unless you're 100% dedicated like it's your job.

[@yerderlol9314]

I dont like microtransaktions, and i think season passes are the worst because your paying for a halfway decent progression system, that is actually still grindy and not decent at all

[@Dalvory]

Blade Runner 2049 is one of the greatest films ever made.

[@sta5011]

Let's bring back solo survival, and campaign!!! Back in my days, gaming didn't need IAPs you usually earn through story progression now it's just a bunch of cashgrabs oof

[@Louey_]

Everytime I go back to runescape I usually mine for 2 weeks saving up coin then decide fuck this I'm done and give all my cash to some random at the grand exchange time we'll spent i got sick of rainbow aswell try dead by daylight

[@SyntheticMan]

Real hero in these comments.

[@MuayThaiGuy93]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who did this minus giving away my money lol I literally just went back after not playing it for like years and did some mining in Valador only to be like this is fucking boring and uninstalling it 😂😂

[@Mexigrillz]

Have you taken a look into fighting games? guilty gear strive is shaping up into a good game for beginners to try out and that game series is known to be supported for years and if you don't feel like putting in too much money into fighting games there are some games on steam for under $20 kof 2002, guilty gear+r (xx I think), skull girls 2nd encore, so on and so forth

[@redbullsauberpetronas]

Fighting game players need to shower

[@mlglel1477]

Rising storm 2 Vietnam for a good FPS that can be played casual or hardcore, might be dying and old but has a solid player base.

[@HerbieChuckNorris]

Fam, what you want is to pivot to good single player and co-op focused Games. The golden area of casual-competitive multiplier (Halo 3 - MW2 - BO2/Reach Era) is gone for now, frankly. While Publishers and Developers are experimenting with payment models etc. the situation is gonna be in flux. Also it comes down to getting older, dunno if we're around the same age, but for me, being 24 now and not having a concentrated friend group limits how you can engage with these multiplayers Games. Honestly it sounds like you got fractions of what you were looking for with Siege and a bit of COD. And personally, the closest I've had to the old days, specifically in the FPS genre, is getting a couple friends together to run funny in CS:GO experimenting with Guns and not trying so hard. but ultimately... Minecraft, Valheim and a bunch of ARPG's (Torchlight 2, Diablo, POE, Borderlands etc.) fill the void of the casual-yet engaging experience. For now, we just gotta dip out and wait for FPS multiplayer to sort itself out and accept that the vibe has drifted elsewhere and thank fuck for the Indie Game scene which is picking up the copious amounts of slack from AAA. But also when a Game DOES come along that does all these things SUPPORT IT. Titanfall 2 should have been a bonified classic but the audience wasn't there. We let it down and now, Respawn has pivoted to BR with Apex. So it's equal blame on Player's and Developer's IMO. But overall I encourage you to find something you're looking for within different genres that scratch that itch, even if they're not quite FPS. Btw, as an aside, I was enjoying the rant up until the cringey SJW/Black trans comments that make you come off as a typical sour Gamer boy. 'more diverse than it should have been' - what does that even mean, bruh?? Just saying, comments like these make you look dumb, which I know ain't your intention, so probably button up that sorta stuff. But that's just my reaction and I mean no hate meant. Others might chastise you for such comments though. Feels very '2014' and dated. young-Boomer esc-vibes.

[@realdomdom]

Glad to see I'm not alone.

[@SNIPEGAMING29]

I've seen enough you got my sub i agree man games don't age like fine wine anymore

[@flexyofacechase1786]

I'm jumping back into Hyperscape tomorrow because a new map and season 3 starts. Apparently it was too sweaty like a arena quake type shooter before, too chaotic for new players and retention was a problem. I quite liked the skill ceiling.. The new map is massive and things are supposed to be toned down with less chaos and more like Apex maybe?.. IDK.. I had high hopes for hyperscape. I'm also looking forwared to Predecessor. Paragon was such a good moba, and Epic killed it, they're so dumb.

[@brokenevolution5426]

I miss games like Dragon's Dogma

[@thomasg1347]

A second one might possibly be in the works

[@Joutube_is_trash]

Lol the AQW reference was definitely unexpected.