System76 latest COSMIC updates: TILING & APPEARANCE settings!

[@chyldstudios]

So pumped for Cosmic. The System76 team is crushing it.

[@Little-bird-told-me]

Me too. Once it come I never look back at a WM app like sway hyprland etc. I hope they launch it soon

[@marufbepary100]

A lot of apps use GTK and Qt. It would be cool if Cosmic creates themes for both toolkits that look consistent and follow user preferences.

[@merthyr1831]

that's likely what they'll have to do. Pop!OS uses flatpak quite heavily already so i bet they'll leverage its theming plugins for those apps too

[@aqua-bery]

I can't wait for COSMIC. I wanted to switch to popos since before they announced cosmic but they announced it just in time to delay my move over to pop lol

[@guss77]

Regarding notifications: GNOME devs were like "the system tray should die! No more app indicators for you!" 5 years later... They're slowly bringing everything back to a system tray like design - but now it's all new protocols that no one else is implementing...

[@yugen042]

I will switch instantly if they achieve HDR before Plasma does.

[@jamesm2075]

I run KDE Plasma or Hyprland on my main personal computer but all of my work computers run on Pop OS so I am very excited to see this new Cosmic DE.

[@mistermistero652]

Almost the same here: KDE on laptop, hyprland on pc. Both of them with erik dubois' ALCI underneath. i am really happy to see this. I dislike popOS but cosmic on arch? Sign me up!

[@dmitrii_cl]

​@@mistermistero652 Hyprland is not good for laptops?

[@T1Oracle]

As a an ultrawide monitor user, this update excites me! Finally a decent tiling window manager!

[@kuhluhOG]

9:22 Actually, it's even more complicated. It will always scale the windows with full integer numbers. So, if you want your windows to be scaled at 175%, the windows will be rendered at 700% and then divided by 4.

[@temari2860]

I really really really like the direction they chose for theming. Extensive theming is often problematic and complex for both userbase and developers. When I use plasma I almost never theme much because it's very hard to find a theme that you like and it's consistent (so has icons, shell theme, applications theme, ideally also a gtk theme) and it's supported and updated. So I usually just stick to Breeze or Breeze dark and only change a couple colors and button placement. Having an entire coherent color scheme generated for me out of 4 base colors I choose seems like a perfect balance between simplicity for users+developers and personalization. Also roundness of corners and margins is something that's a very small detail but is very important for a lot of people including me. This pretty simple and minimal customization allows you to go from modern big bright colorful rounded touch-friendly windows with giant padding aka mac or gnome, to more traditional compact square dim windows aka windows 95.

[@sylvershadow1247]

As much as I love Plasma, I may move my laptop (not my main PC) to COSMIC when it's released and stable. They just look so interesting. Still keeping Plasma on my gaming PC

[@iodreamify]

Cosmic are doing a lot right. I just wish they supported server-side decorations.

[@n.m4497]

So in like 5 years lmao

[@sylvershadow1247]

@@n.m4497 if that's how long it takes. I'm watching their progress with great interest

[@ilyajabbarpour6861]

The only thing that makes me jealous is the better rounded corners and the floating panels throughout the DE, as well as the use of CSD (Client-Side Decorations) or DWD (Dynamic Window Decorations). Without them, the DE looks a little bit outdated and gives the feeling that KDE Plasma has been left behind.

[@ikeahloe]

Kde zealots will continue to rage for server side decorations because they love wasting space with no good justification. It holds back the applications and developers. KDE will continue to look like they have no design team.

[@Wurstbrot03]

​@@ikeahloe While CSD can be nice, outside of power users on a small screen, most people really don't care about that. People make it a bigger deal than it really is.

[@ikeahloe]

@@Wurstbrot03 It will just look outdated to people that don't care, even if they don't know why. And for people that do understand they either cling onto familiarity for dear life at the expense of others, or they lose in a ux /design debate. The biggest issue is placing application design limitations in the main UI toolkit when displayed in plasma desktop. (Maui doesn't integrate the same way to the main plasma desktop). So application developers can't even help the situation.

[@ikeahloe]

@@ScarletDeath1312 To be absolutely clear, I'm not advocating for removing SSD, or especially as a fallback, or even as a choice for an application developer. I'm advocating for ADDING CSD custom headerbars in the standard KDE application development options. Subjectively speaking I would recommend it in most cases.

[@AlijahTheMediocre]

A lot of exciting work being done for tiling, definitly one of the areas that the Linux desktop was falling short. I cant wait to see how Cosmics implementation will contrast to Gnomes Mosaic once both are available.

[@StiekemeHenk]

Omg they need to do SVG wallpapers that make use of the 4 colors we've chosen before. Even better, make sure we can update the color scheme on the fly. Then you could allow programs to 1. update your colors based on the program or content 2. change your background and update your colors based off of that 3. have an animated background with adaptive colors 4. probably way more SVG's might be heavy so I imagine PNG masks might be another way of tackling this?

[@Megalomaniakaal]

You can literally just do RGBA as channel masks if all you need is 4 or less.

[@soulstenance]

Very interesting, I'm excited to try this desktop! Am I the only one who thought the ending music was from Crashlands? 😅

[@arghyaS]

Swaywm is the most intuitive window manager according to me. The shortcuts are very easy to remember and intuitive. It is great that, cosmic is also keeping things intuitive instead of unnecessary complications like what kde did with that Super+T implementation.

[@vaisakh_km]

I know right... it feels like kde had cool concept, but really bad implementation...

[@FlanPoirot]

default shortcuts don't really matter on tiling window managers, so that's not really a valid point for whether sway if good or not. It is very important for desktop environments to nail that tho. Cosmic uses standard/conventional shortcuts used by most tiling wm users, it's nothing special really. As for Sway, sway is a i3 rewrite for wayland, and I personally think i3 is underwhelming and kinda bad. Hyprland and River are better if we're talking only about wayland compositors, but to each their own

[@arghyaS]

@@FlanPoirot yes, you can configure whatever shortcuts you want easily in a window manager. But what I am trying to say is, the default shortcuts that i3/sway has, are nice. I also configured my gnome setup to follow a similar workflow. A desktop environment does not need to do anything new btw if they want people to use tiling. All window managers have done great things towards that. They just need to choose a default set of shortcuts, and keep an easy interface to change them easily.

[@MNbenMN]

​@@FlanPoirot Keyboard shortcut defaults do matter when they are hard coded with no configuration options to customize (example: KDE 5.27 tiling - ShiftModifier while moving a window to tile/stay tiled)

[@vaisakh_km]

@@MNbenMN yes, the fact that we can't change that is pretty annoying

[@andrejjezik6871]

The best end of outro, I've heard in a long time :D

[@esra_erimez]

Brodie has a great interview with Jeremy Soller from System76 on Tech Over Tea. He talks about this

[@karaloop9544]

2:50 Yeah I was in mourning for years that you "just got rid of it", it was a phantastic way to easily group windows. It still seems to somewhat stick around because every once in a while I see a reference to it in the KDE code.

[@VektrumSimulacrum]

I find it extremely entertaining that the way I have my Opensuse MicroOS gnome desktop set up pretty close to what you're showing 😅

[@JuanGarcia-qd8ig]

Welp, looks like i'm ditching Gnome as soon as this releases. Looks both easy and fairly complex depending on what you need. It also looks like EXACTLY what I need.

[@jadelily18]

im so excited for cosmic :)

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

Can't wait for this to see a wider release. I hope Pop makes it great for gaming, I'd love to have an option that isn't KDE for low latency games.

[@sahil1307]

I wish Plasma 6 come with own Auto Tiling then Plasma will be just perfect for me. Using Kröhnkite till then

[@tommyselbe1999]

Remember: **Syntax is your wand**, and every bug is a riddle waiting to be solved. May your journey be filled with wonder and your code compile without tantrums.

[@kevoman2020]

love popos; it's been my daily for over a year

[@Wampa842]

I am more hyped about Cosmic than upcoming video games.

[@Nets..]

I wonder if there will be a video about the design of Plasma 6 and the new icons?

[@mostafaryhanhridoy]

Your videos are good brother!! But a little time stands would be much better. Best wishes!

[@merthyr1831]

Their color system appears to be strongly inspired by Material 3, which imo is the leading edge of user-controlled colorscheming.

[@merthyr1831]

@@ScarletDeath1312 Has a very nice blend of material3 and GNOME imo!

[@lsatenstein]

Hi Niki, I am a fan of yours, I am also a grandfather on pension. I do appreciate very, very much your presentations/work and style to produce each video. I much like how you have made your hair one colour, and your appearance is neat and professionally accurate and enjoyable to watch. Can you raise your camera so that we see less of your hand waving? Hands waving on the screen are a distraction from the contents you worked hard to present. Do not follow another American presenter who uses his hands as American flags. I gathered from your presentations that your mother tongue is not English, but your English is far better than mjny American KZbin presenters; I also know you are a university student, and my advice there is UNIVERSITY IS PRIORITY, KZbin can wait.

[@brunoborguettilara]

He is Italian. Italians speak with the hands, too. 😅

[@laminathith2530]

But hmm... Previously I was starving for cosmic... Unbelievably now I am happy with Gnome direction

[@dreamcat4]

indeed i had not looked at cosmic os tiling implementation myself yet... but indeed this is actually very similar to the way that i had recently arrived at in my independent design document. which i came up with after seeing that gnome event presentation... what is the saying? great minds think alike? it is indeed something very similar. but truly it's not such a surprise to me: because there is really very few ways to do tiling properly. (which is always going to be pretty similar to the cosmic way). i commend them for actually implementing it however. my contribution is just some generic design document. (and not even got it done yet). anyhow the main takeaway is for other DEs - they need to implement underlying tiling mechanism in a way which is very similar to CosmicOS. Which requires a certain but vert necessary level of complexity underneath. And there isn't a way to cut it down beyond a certain point. It is necessarily a complex feature. That needs to be designed and implemented such a certain way. With some very necessary layer(s) of abstraction that sits in between the windows list, and the end user presentation.

[@FineWine-v4.0]

I remember you talking about Bazaar which uses LibCosmic ?!? So what is it exactly & can I get links ?

[@Your_Degenerate]

I see Cosmic DE update, I click.

[@Beryesa.]

7:47 to reduce, right?

[@OldieBugger]

Each to his own. I have never needed tiling windows, as I don't own a >40" , 4k or 8k monitor.

[@guilherme5094]

👍

[@Fenrasulfr]

Will tiling stay togleable because on certain occasion I prefer to use floating windows.

[@seraph_86]

We need it in KDE plasma now

[@erosdevs]

🔥🔥🔥 That's why POP os is the goat!!!

[@esra_erimez]

I just would like to have Fancy Zones in KDE

[@ariel_chess]

Gnome window manager?

[@mcj1m_noonewillfindthis]

It's funny, because I switched from Pop! to Fedora when they implemented that Gnome COSMIC extension thingy. I thought, if this is what they have to offer and what they call a new DE, I prefer Gnome 40 (was still skeptical on horizontal Workspaces back then) I'm now a happy Gnome user (that now likes horizontal Workspaces), but seeing these progress updates on cosmic makes me think that I should maybe give it another try when it's finished. Perhaps I judged too early... but then I also want to say, System76 could have just stayed with gnome and Pop Shell instead of doing this half-baked COSMIC extension...

[@jasonbourne757]

When it is coming?

[@talkysassis]

Still hoping they will make a framework for the shell. Like, a true framework. Not just the toolkit. Otherwise how can I make a cosmic app?

[@deusexeugenics]

is more heavy than gnome? or less?

[@niccoloveslinux]

who knows. It doesn't exist yet

[@QuimChaos]

i'm trying to install it in Arch, in a Celeron B830 dual core... it's compiling for at least 8 hours 🤣😂😭

[@ianakotey]

Obligatory 'first' comment for algorithm

[@aqua-bery]

They're getting advanced

[@vaisakh_km]

@@aqua-bery They will take over the world...

[@Little-bird-told-me]

I am leaving KDE for this reason. They don't have a good window management solution. who need a thousand way to customise the panel

[@StefaNoneD]

Curious if Pop OS could bring me back to Linux. I used to use Linux only for 11 years. But the desktop on Linux is so broken and buggy, I couldn't stand it anymore and switched to macOS. - I just have a different view of quality and intuitive interfaces than most users. - And Windows is in my view pure garbage. I'm happy right now with macOS, but I always support freedom and OpenSource, so I keep an eye to Pop OS.

[@matheus.wagner]

Nicco, please improve b-roll quality. When I'm watching your videos I always have to double check if I'm watching it in the best quality, because it's so unintelligible.

[@noellewastaken]

While I like the idea of Cosmic, I'm not really a fan of Tiling WMs I hope I can just keep it as a stacking WM and ignore all the tiling stuff 😅

[@ZiViZiV]

WTF is Fe203 and WTF is heist?? 😂

[@iodreamify]

It's just a joke. Fe2O3 is the chemical formula for rust (ferric oxide) and Heist was just a misspelling of the toolkit Iced

[@ZiViZiV]

@@iodreamify oh lol. I learned something new 😁 BTW, thanks for great content!