Systemic Racism's Greatest Hits | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

[@flowstategaming-c2t]

Glenn's oration is absolutely masterful. I'm spellbound every time he speaks.

[@joshuaknell6464]

Me too man. As I get older I'm envious of people who've mastered the English language to the degree he has

[@matador677]

Brilliant conversation by both men. They integrate counter points of view with their own without being condescending and acknowledging they might have some blind spots here and there. This sort of discourse is going to move our society forward.

[@puckloki873]

They are doing basic thinking. The fact that this is remarkable is remarkable.

[@Kunfucious577]

@@puckloki873 exactly. This is true of everything today. Perfect example is the Jordan Peterson a books. It’s all basic life lessons everyone should be taught at home.

[@James-sk4db]

Very hard not to be condescending. As the people who push it are either ignorant of reality (so their ideas aren’t worth engaging) or are acting maliciously (so their ideas aren’t worth engaging.

[@anthonystout7374]

Well put. It's why I appreciate listening to scholars. It's how they are trained in avoiding cognitive bias - to look at the entire issue and find ideas data best supports.

[@josec1538]

They have to simplify and use critical thought because you got a group of woke folks over thinking and not understanding only reacting by blaming unconsciously. Then you got race baiters taking advantage of them in order to sell books or gain access to tv programs.

[@gilberturbina2362]

I have been binging on John McWhorter interviews. Brilliant.

[@umwha]

I have a massive appreciation for Glenn. I wish he got more mainstream interviews.

[@nicebluejay]

he was just on bill maher which was pretty good

[@briane173]

He doesn't get many "mainstream" interviews because the people wanting to do the interviews want a narrative _advanced,_ not debunked, and he's not gonna play that game. Too bad, too, because his nutshell position where it concerns the political establishment and their role in structural racism is "a pox on both their houses."

[@loud_laughter]

I love when these two great men speak, and moreso when they respectfully disagree.

[@rajithafernando6091]

Prof Glenn is such a treasure so is prof John. If more ppl are like this there willbe less issues.

[@CMatthewHawkins]

This discussion is very helpful for those of us who are trying to cut through the forest of therapeutic alienation and woke signaling so that we can arrive at policies and practices that are likely to benefit the next generation of African Americans.

[@mademsoisellerhapsody]

How about benefitting ALL Americans? When will that happen? 🇺🇸

[@MarkShireman]

When we stop trying to just benefit African Americans.

[@PuletuaWilson]

Great job guys God bless you and your family, best wishes forward.

[@wrwinter]

can't help but imagine how boring it must be for Glenn and John. the insanity is so endemic, so entrenched that they have to speak the same sense on the same topics over and over.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Just makes me respect them and have gratitude towards them even more. My young lad was called a 'Filthy white *****' today at school. My cousin had it daily for years at school. I'd hoped we'd moved beyond that sort if stuff. I should've known better.

[@Catherine-u8l]

@@realMaverickBuckleyPrimary example of “ racial inequity”. Had that gone in the other direction… Well, you know.

[@GDMan-fb1jx]

“ The Harder I Work the Luckier I Get” Love You Both 🙏

[@theinternets4292]

Much love to both of you heroic intellectual Americans. Your voices have never been more needed and valuable.

[@kaeserd]

Always love these discussions. Take care gentlemen.

[@jasonduplechin8021]

Glenn, somewhere around 17:00, your pleas are absolutely passionate, thought provoking, and heartfelt.

[@cristinaegas]

Wonderful human beens Gleen and John, your teachin is gold ❤

[@Cpicky]

You two have helped me so much. I wake up every day to a world that seems more and more out of control, full of hate and crazy. It helps to see honest and decent men talking reason. Thank you-get some rest and time with your families but please don’t stop.

[@paradoksikal]

Sad that John will not be a guest on any podcasts for a while, but I totally understand.

[@brennancarter7721]

Thank both of you guys for being so open and honest. I’ve been dealing with my own prejudice and ignorance and these conversations help enlighten me and widen my perspective.

[@paulhamrick3943]

Gotta love Loury’s use of “deviate by epsilon”!

[@HelloThisIsAnon]

In his interview with Sam Harris he said "set of measure zero"; absolutely love it.

[@paulhamrick3943]

@@HelloThisIsAnon hahahaha, yeah, I went to grad school for applied math and some of the technical language did seep into my everyday language, but Loury has gone all in!

[@amadeusdebussy6736]

"Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" may not always work, but it certainly works more often than not even trying.

[@stevejhkhfda]

Thanks for sharing your conversations, they are such a gift. You guys are great.

[@robertl.crawford4369]

Stand up straight, put your shoulders back and HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS!!!!

[@willharriman1881]

Cute nonsense phrases don't fix reality!

[@dylankalonji443]

brilliant conversations

[@KYLETEACHESBASSYT]

Two gentlemen I love to listen to. Thanks for an awesome program...I'm a former cat on the Providence jazz scene, Glen! Wish I could hang and argue about jazz with you man! If you ever get the chance to see a bassist named Dave Zinno (a Portsmouth local, and brown professor of bass), take it. Best to both of you!

[@MrAkilwil]

Subbed his channel.

[@blindtrace7220]

Thank God for you guys, standing astride this stupid conversation. You give me some hope for my kids and maybe my schools. Keep it up.

[@brennancarter7721]

I look deeply into myself and try to understand that I lack of awareness of many different perspectives and areas of knowledge. You guys are the type of people who inspire me.

[@DarrylWhiteguitar]

I'm always impressed by the brilliance and breadth of these two.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

If these two men were white would you feel the same way?

[@DarrylWhiteguitar]

@@virtualpilgrim8645 I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps you ought to explain to me what significance their skin color has for you.

[@maryagrusa9850]

Once again, you two provide conversation with substance.

[@pasta9368]

Always appreciate the discussions gentlemen.

[@wuwei128]

Excellant!!..probably have to keep revisiting this to spread it farther and farther.

[@filmjazz]

I would LOVE the privilege and honor of joining Glenn and friends for cigars, whiskey, and jazz night! I have a serious enough collection of jazz vinyl and CDs that I’d pull my weight, promise!

[@iamamish]

I've seen at least 10 different videos pop into my recommended queue, and they're all podcasts/interviews with John on his book. I cannot imagine how many hours all those discussions have taken, and I'm sure I'm only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

[@stevestalock3200]

I am very grateful for your conversations and your personal perspectives (39:00 -43:00 mark). You guys make me think and I appreciate you. I would love to see this conversation continue adding Thomas Sowell, Coleman Hughes, Michael Fortner and Larry Elder (to name a few). It would be a literal brain-gasm.

[@katiedavis9626]

I adore you both!!!!

[@skywalkergreen9012]

Amazing and enlightening discussion. Thank you Glenn and John 😃😃

[@ffffnnnnul2125]

Thank you so much for this and every other conversation. Make America well-informed again!

[@Rballjim5]

Just two of the Best!

[@idee8or]

Always excellent conversations

[@Cd-sc1zd]

I love Dr. Lowry! What a brilliant man!!

[@crackcrock]

Bless you gentlemen, you've been a boon to the countries sanity possibly coming back after a long time lost.

[@michaelberta3153]

The word "dignity" is the key word if one finds themselves feeling unfairly disadvantaged in life. All of those obstacles whether real, imagined, or exaggerated, can be overcome over time with a little dignity and perseverance. Dignity is the precursor to respect.

[@adammarkowitz7944]

Thank you, professor Loury, for your courage, intelligence, and the depth of feeling you bring to this discussion--a depth which distinguishes you from many of your contemporaries.

[@consciouseffortmedia]

I appreciate you 2 gentleman’s discourse and exchange of thought so much. This can materially improve the conditions of our community if we collectively look inward and move different as a result

[@The88Cheat]

I love listening to smart people have discussions.

[@ferrerim]

jazz night with whiskey and cigars sounds like a night i would love to be a part of

[@GDMan-fb1jx]

Great Discussion young men 🙏

[@LouisGedo]

Excellent discussion

[@antitheistvegan]

I concur. Great convo gentlemen and looking forward to the next! Loved learning of John’s not-so-secret indulgence lol.

[@nathanngumi8467]

An interesting discussion. Simone may not be convinced by the arguments but she will have a lot to think about.

[@robinlillian9471]

I don't think Simone is using logic. Prejudice and hate are about emotion. If Simone was thinking logically, she wouldn't be trying to demonize people who would otherwise be allies. She is targeting the wrong people as enemies. Most "white" people have no more power to change the system than she does alone. Poor white people are also victimized by the system as "white trash". The system sets us up to hate and fight each other instead of uniting to demand our fair share of the resources from those who truly do have power. "The people, united, will never be defeated." kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2mZiGxphLWDaLc

[@sawoszao]

@J.A. Bristol IMO it kinda is? but repeating it over and over and over doesnt help anyone... yes there is some injustice in this world, probably based on historical circumstance. the world also has gotten, overall, a lot better than it used be, say, 100 years ago. I think, and I know its pretty irrelevant what I think in the grand scheme of things but this is the internet so here we are... I think we should try to remove barriers and systemicaly try to increase socioeconomic mobility ie help poor people. Helping poor people will eventually help every historicaly disenfranchised group without sowing division along racial lines IMO.

[@sawoszao]

@J.A. Bristol Im a leftist, Id consider myself a social democrat or something along those lines ;) I dont want total reliance on the goverment, but I feel like theres a lot of people that need help which we, as a society, can afford to give them. Look at some western social democracies. It can work at least to a certain extent.

[@jaed2630]

@J.A. Bristol how many people represent this demographic? I believe we take isolated episodes and make blanket statements about the rest of society. With that being said, if you have a problem "making it" in America. It's mostly you and your failure to recognize that

[@cephalosjr.1835]

@J.A. Bristol It isn’t, but there are other issues. In particular, Black people are persistently disadvantaged in ways that are neither built into the system itself nor rooted in the behavior, mindset, or situation of Black people. That’s systemic racism, and it’s not simple.

[@NoBSMusicReviews]

Loved Woke Racism. Gave it to my kids and several friends. As far as you do podcasts, as long as you, John, continue to do Lexicon Valley, I'll be happy!

[@haroldthomas2172]

When Glenn talks about math he shines.

[@NorthernObserver]

Thank you thank you thank you. You noble happy warriors.

[@hospice8896]

These are the heroes. Not cynics. Positive and clear voices.

[@hoviksmail]

Common sense has become Wisdom in a time of Insanity.

[@py_a_thon]

"Deviation by Epsilon" is perhaps the most brilliant idea I have encountered in weeks. That is a perfect grand narrative, up to and including a potential grand narrative of pure authoritarianism. Wow.

[@panushjo]

John will be interview by Joy Reid on MSNBC this monday at 8pm

[@YogGroove]

Count Dooku: "I've been waiting a long time for this."

[@D00kerT]

@56:48 I'd totally agree with John. There's obviously always more you gentlemen could have covered on such a broad subject line, but John is right; you guys covered a lot! It was thoroughly enlightening!

[@mikem4984]

Just wanted to wish you both the Happiest of Thanksgiving's. You're both national treasures of wisdom & insight. I always look forward to hearing your perspectives whether together or outside of this channel. Cheers!

[@listenratata]

Solutions. We're all dying for solutions. Simone doesnt matter. Future actions and advice is what matters. Real, legal, productive solutions are what we want.

[@JosephHization]

DONT LET THAT WORD DIE...Its leverage.

[@atolliver91]

John …I bought the audiobook, I’m glad to hear your voice on it…..I can feel your meaning as you speak….I can tell you my antennas went after taking notice the way people were buzzing with race rhetoric they began using trending words that through me into confusion,after watching a bad faith episode I was able to point out some elect bastard …I usually listen to books and go to the next , this book has been on repeat 3 times…so far…thanks for your perspective…

[@paulhue86]

Redlining = draw a line around an area of high crime, low school test scores, high mortgage defaults, etc

[@stringX90]

Great convo

[@Michelle_Wellbeck]

I now see that Glenn and John are men of culture

[@andersonl819]

Did John just say "I love the stuff" referring to cocaine. "Well into my 50s" ha!

[@fezile]

Didn’t see that one coming. 😅

[@shawnellemartineaux6212]

Yes he did. That caught me off guard.

[@shawnellemartineaux6212]

@@jacktravers5049 that's Glenn, not John.

[@GuitarSchoolVideo]

Great conversation! Thank you :-)

[@gw6418]

Love you guys.

[@zackf5120]

“You were there” 😂

[@wasmara]

i too was around then. i knew people involved in both versions. the way they were used was vastly different. not only where they were taken but also how addictive they were. crack destroyed families and individuals who tried it. people looked 20 years older in just 6 months. there were many people who did coke and totally functioned and never looked as though they were severely ill. once addicted, people basically invaded the nearby apartment complex. people coming home would have to walk their children around a group of people shooting up in the hallway to the building. the addicts did not even live there. we also had AIDS appearing in the same time period. it was not a good picture. putting people in jail was the wrong response. the legal system was the wrong venue.

[@BradfordHills]

I love these cool cats🐱

[@dwainzsadanyi9711]

Yes, solutions please.

[@chriskelley7979]

7:38 .....great advice

[@MrAkilwil]

This is how HUMBLE Mr. Lowry is: @15:40 he rattles of a few names of Blacks who made profound impacts on history; uhhh, let us not forget you, Sir, being the 1ST of Harvard!!

[@regina7494]

Are we fooling ourselves to thinking we are in a better place then in our past.

[@pdumpsterful]

We are in a better place now but they continue race hustling

[@TheDonLemonSnickety]

Never actually realized how different the book promotion world has really become. That sounds absolutely exhausting. I believe a hundred hour long interviews after writing a book would have to make anyone a bit weary of the subject matter

[@colinmacdonald2871]

Dynamics of wealth accumulation. That's a book I'd like to read.

[@JNYC-gb1pp]

36:00 Inciting a group just to see how much incitement they will tolerate before responding is a STUPID game.

[@Downerhill]

Always such thoughtful conversation. I think the problem is the language used in labeling such things as “systemic racism” is in itself a bit hyperbolic & many persons do not handle nuance or for that matter investigate/contemplate issues. It’s a sound byte/ meme culture which by its very nature doesn’t allow for nuance. Without really looking at “ inequities” closely and all surrounding it means no solutions can be found. Round & round to nowhere. It’s a shame … it’s regressive … it’s about complaint/grievance not solutions and success

[@dswanson82]

You're right. "Never waste a crisis" is what they say... 52:00

[@schuylardiamond8438]

I am a black septuagenarian that was born and raised in a major midwestern city where redlining happened. But even with that, I had multiple relatives as well as a few acquaintances that owned homes in the 50's and 60's. Out of this group at least two of these homeowners also owned businesses. Because of this situation I came away with the impression that redlining did not forestall black home ownership but rather restricted that benefit to certain areas. I consider redlining a moot topic depending on a persons view point. I have doubts as to whether redlining had some outsized detrimental effect on wealth building among black Americans. Moreover. in this city in which I lived their were areas populated by Germans next door to a separate Polish community next to a separate Italian community and so forth. For what its worth, white people were segregating themselves, it seemed to me!

[@Catherine-u8l]

First of all, long term care usually eats into most of what parents would otherwise leave to their children. And if you have several kids, whatever they get from the estate won’t make or break them financially. Do most blacks have visions of white children inheriting millions from their parents from the sale of a home, lol? Maybe “ money management” should be discussed more?

[@petersaccocia4510]

Glenn, you're in Providence Rhode Island, not Providence Massachusetts! 😊

[@Slipstream-Media]

I respect you both, I respect that you acknowledge that you are better off than some of your people of colour. I also respect that you don’t define people by their skin colour. In the world we live in that would be a big mistake. I am a UK national White man who is dying two ways. Tell me my privilege and I will tell you yours. That is not a deliberate rise to either of you, as you don’t deserve it. When I’ve done a video on my own white privilege and asked where it is so I can get some of it now. People are more interested in racial economy, then they are in human lives. How sad is that?

[@JosephHization]

I like it...

[@jimbo9800]

Great discussion and bringing reference to where things are today. Awareness of the complexity of issues and decision making are vital to moving forward is what I'm hearing . Brings about the questions about whether a common reality can be accepted and the decision to execute/participate with virtual standards on a mass scale can be accomplished. Can we see clearly and do the right things. Just my 2 cents - Looking forward to the next discussion

[@briane173]

Yeah, we can see clearly and do the right things -- when we approach them as individuals without the influence of partisan factionalism. Get the politics out of it and you'd be amazed at how clear these issues come into focus. Otherwise we're looking through endless layers of a glass onion.

[@xshortguy]

Also, there will always be a gap between any arbitrarily selected groupings of people for any statistic imaginable. The existence of such gaps doesn't mean that those gaps arose from discrimination. This is an important point brought up by Thomas Sowell that should be kept in mind at each stage of analysis.

[@willharriman1881]

The problem is we KNOW that race discrimination against the Black descendants of American Slavery is one of the core features of the U.S. American system!

[@jamesmurphy5315]

@@willharriman1881 who is we? I don't knwo that....wealth gap...shmelth gap...... "median" isn't the only average.....look at "MODE average age" and you'll find for whites its 58 years old. 58 years old is more than double that of racial and ethnic minorities. one might assume that wealth is accumulated over a lifetime and older people have more. the dishonesty is just so rampant. Compare income NOT wealth. Compare "per capita" income of people with similar college degrees and age, and sex and then tell me if there is an actionable problem or not. Until then.......its all sophistry. the reason you don't look at wealth is that it hides the problem ......if per capita examination produces results that show income is similar....than personal choices is causing the wealth gap.

[@willharriman1881]

@@jamesmurphy5315 You wrote a bunch of useless double talk! You can't solve the problem of historical continuing white racism in America by pretending it away! No one claims that white racism is the only factor causing racial disparity. But it's a big part of the continuing picture! Don't be fooled just because most white racism is now a COVERT practice!

[@willharriman1881]

@@EvsEntps Get it through your head! Continuous white racist wrongdoings against Black Americans is part of the picture and you can't pretend that away! Don't sit there making up LYING nonsense claiming that all the problems of Black Americans are self created!

[@danielpeirson3071]

I usually side with you Glenn, however when the linguist says break it down into small words to basically keep people honest. You have to admit, John hit it out of the park.

[@JosephHization]

I could make. A deal with your book. Right now.

[@cameronidk2]

The ability to listen is a skill, possible a talent, and to some degree tribal. Some people have plenty of cognitive ability to understand many things. But few people can listen from a point that may be outside of their own life. If you look up the concept of first information as it concerns memory you'll get into some fascinating psychology of why some concepts are so hard either to give up or adjust. When people are taught certain bad theory's to well that information will always have more weight and can be difficult to remove or be displaced. These things are being reenforced in many course and over time. This is the real ethics the real Teacher student responsibility. Reverends and pastors and religions have a purpose to their devotion and the way in which they teach those teachings. . .. While in any other area Teachers have a responsibility to their students to teach subjects in a manner that 1, lets them become familiarized with the basics and the concepts of any given field while 2. not over burdening them with any personal or subjective takes on that subject that are known to be contentious and or as of yet still argued as to it being fact or still just theory as it concerns the subject . example .. This is the established Cannon .. but here is my own belief about said Cannon . i

[@pattonmaclean4777]

The best.

[@HotelierNYC]

Did Glenn just say "Providence, Massachusetts?"

[@jamesdekloe3522]

This is such an important conversation I am a little disappointed by John McWhorter's weariness - he is a very important voice

[@leftybelle7022]

Always worth listening to these two. Professor Loury, I noticed your reference to a “wrong” verdict. Maybe a more precise description might be “a verdict you don’t agree with”.?

[@epi_sto_letes]

Providence, MA? Did I miss a major political event?

[@olicorrivo3289]

We walk in golden halls but all we can do is try to grab the falling pieces. I think Dio said something like that. :D

[@bertrandkurtrussell2873]

I used to be on John's side about Omar, but after 2020 I'm on Glenn's side.

[@elderhiker7787]

Boy, am I glad I subscribed to this channel. “An illness in the psych-social fabric of this country”; how insightful is that? We won’t hear this kind of conversation anywhere else.

[@naeroled]

Very interesting conversation here. I’d like to focus on the point which was made by Loury around the 48min mark where he advocates for the CRT counter argument to superficial gains. This is the crux of the matter isn’t it. The looting from the historical subclasses has in fact created the disparities we see today. Unfortunately, the heist was so large and incomprehensible that there is no reparational process to remedy it. Therefore no choice but for us to be pragmatic and practical about moving forward.

[@Christopher_Bachm]

Wake up America!

[@bertrandrussell894]

Simone has a lot to reconsider. Both for her own sake and everyone elses.

[@IsaiahSellassie]

A shadow of fatigue slants across this one. My impression is, this vein has been mined to exhaustion. These intelligent and learned gentlemen have said all they have to say on the subject. They are now reduced to a sort of pointless equivocation-----there is some truth to this, but there is also some truth to that. I know, this is "the beat" the customers want to hear covered, so I don't know what else to say.