Why The Docking Adapters On The Space Station Are Shaped Oddly

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Scott Manley

Scott Manley

Күн бұрын

There are many docking systems on the International Space Station, reflecting the fact that it's the product of multiple space programs which combined their space station plans into the ISS. The history of the program has lead to some design choices which seem to be strange, until you look at them in the context of the whole program history.
In particular, I often get asked about the pressurized mating adapters at the front of the space station and how the tunnel includes a bend rather than simply going straight through, and of course it's all because of historical choices.
Some further reading on the docking and berthing hardware used on the ISS
ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...

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@FuzzyToasterMeister
@FuzzyToasterMeister 3 жыл бұрын
Not even the ISS can avoid needing too many dongles.
@voidhabit8438
@voidhabit8438 3 жыл бұрын
They are called adapters!
@skyhiker9669
@skyhiker9669 3 жыл бұрын
FuzzyToasterMeister I know I wish I had more dongles.
@livethefuture2492
@livethefuture2492 3 жыл бұрын
It's a 20 year old collaboration with multiple countries, what do you expect?
@JimmyStiffFingers
@JimmyStiffFingers 3 жыл бұрын
Dongle sounds lewd. UwU
@watcherofwatchers
@watcherofwatchers 3 жыл бұрын
So much Whoooosh! In this thread.
@desert-rat145
@desert-rat145 3 жыл бұрын
"that is because of legacy decisions, and it will take more than the occasional bumped head to justify changing out such a large chunk of hardware." Sounds like every meeting within IT
@confuded
@confuded 3 жыл бұрын
More like meetings of IT with finance about budget.
@jukahri
@jukahri 3 жыл бұрын
@@S6R15 or just dreams
@himaro101
@himaro101 3 жыл бұрын
@@confuded I can confirm this
@lonerider92
@lonerider92 3 жыл бұрын
More like IT explaining to the director of a company why we have to keep the current networking equipment in place because if we switched everything out all at once we'd have a massive downtime that would affect company production.
@davidwuhrer6704
@davidwuhrer6704 3 жыл бұрын
@@lonerider92 So that is why everyone can get access to every company intranet. It would be too expensive to replace the Cisco routers.
@johnpreisler6713
@johnpreisler6713 3 жыл бұрын
The solution is to use oddly-shaped astronauts
@adamswenson1093
@adamswenson1093 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, the perfect career for me!
@mrpicky1868
@mrpicky1868 3 жыл бұрын
yah. this is actually a common approach in space and on land
@sparetime2475
@sparetime2475 3 жыл бұрын
Scoliosis time
@printedprops8730
@printedprops8730 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, Kerbals
@mariasirona1622
@mariasirona1622 3 жыл бұрын
@@printedprops8730 the kerbals have L A R J heads, actually making bumping more likely
@kevinzheng7373
@kevinzheng7373 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, even INTEL doesn't have so many socket standards.
@michaelscott1685
@michaelscott1685 3 жыл бұрын
AHAHAHAH
@dosmastrify
@dosmastrify 3 жыл бұрын
Oh contraire they are getting close
@rpavlik1
@rpavlik1 3 жыл бұрын
At least they don't have to flip the capsule 180 degrees three times in a row to get it to fit...
@r0cketplumber
@r0cketplumber 3 жыл бұрын
Standards are like toothbrushes, everybody wants one but nobody wants someone else's.
@aerojetrocketdyners-2538
@aerojetrocketdyners-2538 3 жыл бұрын
you haven't seen the screw standards.
@reactorfour1682
@reactorfour1682 3 жыл бұрын
This makes me appreciate that the docking ports in KSP are simple, just align the spacecraft with the docking port you’re trying to dock to, move to it slowly and it will pull you to a successful dock. It’s never that simple in real life.
@SpaceKebab
@SpaceKebab Жыл бұрын
and yet its still kinda difficult for your first time
@reactorfour1682
@reactorfour1682 Жыл бұрын
@@SpaceKebab it took me years to finally learn it.
@SpaceKebab
@SpaceKebab Жыл бұрын
@@reactorfour1682 man i absolutely no lifed for 2 weeks and finally grasped it man it felt so rewarding ill tell you that
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 Жыл бұрын
You may be interested to know that the new IDS docking ports are kind of like this - the docking ring with the petals that extends out from the main docking port can actually move over quite a large range of motion, so in the leadup to docking the docking ring will actually move towards the other one, and then pull both spacecraft together
@mathematician237
@mathematician237 3 жыл бұрын
So what you’re saying is you can’t take two magnetic circles, smash them together, and magically transfer green beans through them?
@mathematician237
@mathematician237 3 жыл бұрын
Someone hasn’t played Kerbal Space Program...
@MattNeufy
@MattNeufy 3 жыл бұрын
Mathematician23 well KSP wasn’t a thing when these were rolled out. By now everyone in any aerospace program has played KSP, passing human beans through these is the way of the future I’m sure of it ahaha
@WWFYMN
@WWFYMN 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@dataexpunged3914
@dataexpunged3914 3 жыл бұрын
Green astronaut beans, without the space suit they would fit
@jaggns5774
@jaggns5774 3 жыл бұрын
you'd want to use electromagnets tho right?
@dxkaiyuan4177
@dxkaiyuan4177 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, the ISS requires almost as many adapters as the new MacBook
@livethefuture2492
@livethefuture2492 3 жыл бұрын
Pete is never wrong Well maybe a little bit more...
@Cammi_Rosalie
@Cammi_Rosalie 3 жыл бұрын
@dxkaiyuan: Sorry if you see a random downvote (I don't know if YT notifications shows them) They put the "View Replies" button right next to the "Downvote" button, and I accidentally clicked downvote. I removed it though. Have an upvote just in case. ☺
@davethefoxmage5797
@davethefoxmage5797 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cammi_Rosalie Okay, I feel better knowing I'm NOT the only one that accidentally does that! :-)
@dxkaiyuan4177
@dxkaiyuan4177 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cammi_Rosalie I don't think KZbin notifies, or even counts the downvotes. But thanks tho
@kaydenlewis9246
@kaydenlewis9246 3 жыл бұрын
@@dxkaiyuan4177 it's called likes
@TCV12
@TCV12 3 жыл бұрын
*Doug bangs his head* Scott: "Oh damn, better start researching"
@ShnizelInBag
@ShnizelInBag 3 жыл бұрын
Doug sacrificed his forehead in the name of science
@robertchandler2573
@robertchandler2573 3 жыл бұрын
Scott has a gift for clear speech and delivering lots of info quickly. I love how he gets right to the point and wastes none of our time.
@sacr3
@sacr3 3 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding me? I had to skip past a lot of nonsense just to get the answer as to why there's an asymmetry. He just kept talking about everything else other than the thing I wanted to fuking know
@garyha2650
@garyha2650 3 жыл бұрын
Answer at 4:12: We don't know. But we can theorize. Maybe to provide better access to the shuttle payload area once docked, like to pull a big thing out of there. Another thought: Since there is a bump when they first meet, it can be oriented for the force to be a tad closer to the center of gravity to reduce rotation a bit, less need for jet firings to reduce induced rotation. I have to add that I find the precisely navigated collision of two weightless high mass objects at 17,000 miles an hour ... oddly satisfying: 2:43 I'll see myself out.
@UnderscoreZeroLP
@UnderscoreZeroLP 3 жыл бұрын
@@sacr3 chill bro allow urself to be educated
@precumming
@precumming 3 жыл бұрын
The video is 11 minutes long and could have been "it isn't confirmed but it is offset for the space shuttle to shift it rearward to give better access to the cargo bay" with the photo at 5:09. I disagree about delivering info quickly, but he does make an entertaining video which goes into lots of detail.
@Spedley_2142
@Spedley_2142 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree. The opposite of Isaac Arthur who drifts down rabbit holes so often and so far you forget what the point of the video was.
@davidlabedz2046
@davidlabedz2046 3 жыл бұрын
Scott, more interesting space history. Could one give more details on how the docking adapter functions??
@austinholmes96
@austinholmes96 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Simply Space. He has a great video on the International Docking Standard!
@flxdg5989
@flxdg5989 3 жыл бұрын
@@austinholmes96 i just wanted to recommend simply space, too He uses blender to show all kind of cool stuff
@SimplySpace
@SimplySpace 3 жыл бұрын
@@austinholmes96 Cheers
@hl_scientist1964
@hl_scientist1964 3 жыл бұрын
it keeps the space out of the station unless it is not space outside.
@forton615
@forton615 3 жыл бұрын
@@hl_scientist1964 It works like a door
@thelonelyrogue3727
@thelonelyrogue3727 3 жыл бұрын
Does the possibility of the unused section coming into use mean that the ISS may need additional storage space added? Imagine, the first module added in years; a closet.
@deathpony698
@deathpony698 3 жыл бұрын
that's basically the bigelow module right now
@vaska00762
@vaska00762 3 жыл бұрын
@@deathpony698 I think the BEAM's mission time has been extended for that very reason... Russia is planning to launch its Nauka module.... some time.... and that should provide at least some extra storage space... hopefully.
@nathanczaja
@nathanczaja 3 жыл бұрын
@@vaska00762 Russia: Nauka will launch in 2021! Also Russia: maybe never ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@nanochase
@nanochase 3 жыл бұрын
Outside of Bartolomeo, all the planned additions to the station will be for more storage
@t65bx25
@t65bx25 3 жыл бұрын
Nakua is slowly joining the leagues of JWST and SLS.
@greenetomphson6164
@greenetomphson6164 3 жыл бұрын
gotta love how the two docking modules are "International" and "Russian"
@icollectstories5702
@icollectstories5702 3 жыл бұрын
The Russians might use different terminology -- like "metric" and "Imperialist."😁
@vonschlesien
@vonschlesien 3 жыл бұрын
It goes back to the inherent asymmetry of the Cold War. The Eastern Bloc was the USSR plus its much smaller and less powerful satellites (eg China and the USSR could not coexist in the Bloc for long). The Western Bloc, by contrast, included large industrial states like Japan, France, the UK, and West Germany, which collectively had more people and money than the US for most of the period. So when the US planned Space Station Freedom, it included provision for major European and Japanese contributions, because they had large and sophisticated aerospace industries of their own; whereas the Soviet-planned Mir 2 was a purely Soviet project. Hence when merged, it was a merger of a national project with an international one.
@fleshwere
@fleshwere 3 жыл бұрын
And the American Space Station. ASS.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 3 жыл бұрын
Also ironic because in the US, "international" tends to mean "non-American."
@cookiemonster0626
@cookiemonster0626 3 жыл бұрын
@@unvergebeneid haha so really it means non-american and Russian 😂
@Ask4Tristan
@Ask4Tristan 3 жыл бұрын
In the first renderings of the PMA (option 1 option 4 ~8:25 in your video), it seems apparent that the offset is to avoid the truss structure in both images. This now becomes grandfathered in, so on. Thanks yet again for a great video, Scott!
@aevangel1
@aevangel1 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm Scott Manley; fly safe" *proceeds to bump head....*
@icollectstories5702
@icollectstories5702 3 жыл бұрын
5:02 To my eyes, the kink allowed the windows on the top of the shuttle to view the docking adapter. "The two overhead windows ... provide rendezvous [and] docking ... viewing" from NASA's "Forward Fuselage and Crew Compartment Windows." Useful for people who mistrust cameras.
@ericfermin8347
@ericfermin8347 3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@KnightRanger38
@KnightRanger38 3 жыл бұрын
If I recall, the shuttle was manually piloted while docking using the overhead windows.
@livethefuture2492
@livethefuture2492 3 жыл бұрын
I thought docking was automated?
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 3 жыл бұрын
It also allowed the massive Shuttle payload bay to be unobstructed by station modules.
@livethefuture2492
@livethefuture2492 3 жыл бұрын
They had the to manually dock the shuttle? Didn't the Soyuz have automated docking even though it was a older spacecraft.
@dorbie
@dorbie 3 жыл бұрын
The clearance issue makes sense going forward indefinitely. Any future vehicle could still potentially exploit the asymmetry to get more clearance in their chosen direction.
@bradallen1832
@bradallen1832 2 жыл бұрын
You prefer Space Shuttle's goofy J-turn instead of putting a docking port closer to the crew cabin that comes straight out and has no cargo interference?
@dorbie
@dorbie 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradallen1832 it’s just more clearance for a broader range of vehicles. I prefer whatever works. It’s counterintuitive but I understand why they did this. Emotionally I prefer the simpler straight corridor.
@theelephantandtherider9536
@theelephantandtherider9536 3 жыл бұрын
if there's one thing that i've learned lately from this channel, is that i dont want to learn how to design space stuff. but, this has come with drastically increased respect for people who just,,, do this stuff.
@loganpe427
@loganpe427 3 жыл бұрын
How cool! Your comment is actually very nice, much respect, both ways right!
@danisyx5804
@danisyx5804 3 жыл бұрын
Engineering is an awesome job it's all about solving problems
@5000mahmud
@5000mahmud 3 жыл бұрын
Dani Syx so much math though
@Mike-oz4cv
@Mike-oz4cv 3 жыл бұрын
@@danisyx5804 All jobs are all about solving problems, the problems are just different.
@danisyx5804
@danisyx5804 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mike-oz4cv Even a house framer uses lots of math there are even special calculators for construction The fun part about engineering is that you get to solve the problems and leave the hard work for somebody else unless of course you're a fabricator or work in a machine shop of some kind then of course you have to know about expansion rates and all kinds of stuff math is the language of the universe
@SixDasher
@SixDasher 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the shape was to have a lower structural rigidity in case of a "crash" while docking, sort of a crush zone.
@randomnickify
@randomnickify 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was my first thought.
@1988dgs
@1988dgs 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that, if it was straight it could transmit force to the station in the event of heavy docking
@Greippi10
@Greippi10 3 жыл бұрын
It will transmit the force regardless, straight or bent. I don't think a crumple zone needs that, in fact I'd assume they'd want the crumple zone to be direct along the center line of the module so that it would absorb as much energy as possible before the shuttle flings around and smacks the side of the station. Having it offset would seem counter intuitive to that. Also having a crumple zone directing energy sideways might mean that the shuttle strikes the station end first instead side on, meaning more energy delivered to a single location instead of alongside the whole fuselage. Or perhaps it's designed to prevent that. But what do I know, I'm not as smart as the engineers who designed it, perhaps there is merit to the theory. It just doesn't seem very likely to me.
@tbarcello
@tbarcello 3 жыл бұрын
@@Greippi10 yes. However, the outer radius is smaller than the inner radius, meaning the full force would be absorbed by the hatch. "Lowering" the outer radius this way insures the force absorbed by the inner circle ridge and transmitted to the rest of the module instead of pushing the inner hatch in and creating a possible breach.
@JMurph2015
@JMurph2015 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I kinda doubt they designed for the case where a shuttle was moving with relative velocity fast enough to crush metal. If you are at that point, I'm pretty sure the shear stresses along the main axis of the station would snap the station like spaghetti or at the very least shear off the big solar arrays and radiators leaving the station out of power and overheating.
@Storyteller543
@Storyteller543 3 жыл бұрын
Airlocks in games: takes two seconds. Airlocks in reality: takes hours.
@kacasio1
@kacasio1 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the Buran was still flying. I was able to see one in Speyer in the Technik. The Soviets had some amazing ingenuity.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 3 жыл бұрын
It flew once.
@Yutani_Crayven
@Yutani_Crayven 3 жыл бұрын
They were so ingenious that they realized right away the flaws of the concept (economic & technical) and dropped it in favour of Soyuz for that reason almost right away. Meanwhile, the US went on to waste lives, time and money on the Shuttle.
@OpenGL4ever
@OpenGL4ever 3 жыл бұрын
@@Yutani_Crayven Well, not exactly. The reason why they dropped Buran and the rocket Energia was their lack of money. If money hadn't been the reason, they would at least have flown the Energia rocket.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 3 жыл бұрын
@@Yutani_Crayven We wouldn't have ISS without Shuttle. Or Hubble. Confront your bias because your bias is blatantly obvious.
@somedude-lc5dy
@somedude-lc5dy 3 жыл бұрын
@@slartybarfastb3648 , if we didn't have the shuttle, we would have built a different style large rocket. it's now painfully obvious to everyone in rocket development that the shuttle design was a mistake. even those pursuing reusable upper stages are dramatically changing the architecture. we would have been better off developing a lower-cost version of the Saturn V.
@Watchdogger
@Watchdogger 3 жыл бұрын
I see this was downvoted by 1 guy who bumps his head a lot.
@garyha2650
@garyha2650 3 жыл бұрын
:D
@ikickss
@ikickss 3 жыл бұрын
Probably a NFL hopeful who gave up football career to sign up for astronaut program.
@Guru_1092
@Guru_1092 3 жыл бұрын
As a tall person this offends me. Doorframes are scary man.
@Cydonius1
@Cydonius1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Guru_1092 Doors and corners, kid, doors and corners. (Investigator Miller)
@luizfernando4497
@luizfernando4497 3 жыл бұрын
@@Guru_1092 true
@laprepper
@laprepper 3 жыл бұрын
The sheer amount of research you must do to put these videos together is quite impressive, I really love your content 😁😄
@taiiat0
@taiiat0 3 жыл бұрын
this video: "space technology is actually an IT professionals' coldsweat nightmare of never ending adapter chaining". for the entire video i was internally screaming about adapter chaining. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@DanielLewycky
@DanielLewycky 3 жыл бұрын
Scott, it makes me so glad to hear you use the metric system in these videos.
@DamianReloaded
@DamianReloaded 3 жыл бұрын
5:05 It does makes sense to think it's a design choice to maximize the shuttle's cargo area length.
@Poldovico
@Poldovico 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my God Scott, it's 2020, you can't just ask space station docking ports why they aren't straight!
@kayrosis5523
@kayrosis5523 3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can, because the answer is educational for the general public, encouraging more pro-offset sentiment.
@jambalayajake8522
@jambalayajake8522 3 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah they about to cancel Star Trek because the Klingons in the 1960s wore blackface
@livethefuture2492
@livethefuture2492 3 жыл бұрын
Straight is more efficient, they will probably be phased out at some point with the addition of commercial modules and the new standards for the upcoming gateway station.
@Kineth1
@Kineth1 3 жыл бұрын
You can't ask them why they aren't straight. But... You can ask them about their kinks!
@a1001ku
@a1001ku 3 жыл бұрын
Oh come on, all the guys triggered by his comment, he is joking
@SimplySpace
@SimplySpace 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott. I've been wondering this about the PMA for a while and the payload clearance issue seems pretty obvious now that you point it out. And well, if it ain't broken don't fix it!
@chrissartain4430
@chrissartain4430 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy all your work, you really Dig Deep to find all you can on your subjects! Thanks, Scott
@levin645
@levin645 3 жыл бұрын
Being a Automotive Mechanic, the offset angle appears to me a crash structure that will be sacrificed during a bad docking maneuver without transferring the impact loads directly in a linear path into the entire ISS structure.
@tpseeker3367
@tpseeker3367 3 жыл бұрын
Does make sense. An aluminum can bent some is easier to crush without causing more damage to what it's attached to.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, if even I can dock successfully (using the SpaceX Dragon simulator), then it's a damn fine design.
@WWFYMN
@WWFYMN 3 жыл бұрын
I can
@mattmon1421
@mattmon1421 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Clear and informative as usual. Nice that you really dig down into the details and history.
@danielfuller3040
@danielfuller3040 3 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering about that ever since I first saw the Docking Adapters. Thanks for this video.
@ghostbirdofprey
@ghostbirdofprey 3 жыл бұрын
I notice in the depiction at 8:19 the shape of the docking adapter also allows for more clearance between the the Soyuz docked to the Zenith PMA and the truss.
@korrdavl
@korrdavl 3 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to know this strange design!!
@mauemahoo
@mauemahoo 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Manley, Your depth of knowledge, visuals, and ability to explain complex topics are always most impressive and much appreciated! Thank You for doing what you do! Please forgive me if you have already addressed this topic, but I would love to see a video or series of videos chronicling the building of the ISS from an international perspective. Just a thought... 🚀
@shadowraith1
@shadowraith1 3 жыл бұрын
That was interesting. Enjoyed the pics that included Shuttle. Miss her. Thanks for the lesson on docking ports.👍🚀🛰🚀👍
@kmc7355
@kmc7355 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how similar some of this equipment is to what i use underwater as an ROV pilot/tech. RE:Docking rings and manipulators etc.
@kmc7355
@kmc7355 3 жыл бұрын
@DANK When you factor in the ambient pressure at depth i would say it's every bit as dangerous too
@filanfyretracker
@filanfyretracker 3 жыл бұрын
@@kmc7355 in that sense space is actually a lot safer, You only ever have to assure your habitable spaces can withstand 1atm difference between inside and outside. And Id suspect one has more seconds of survival in vacuum than they would in the depths if a seal pops and they have to book it to another section. I honestly feel this is also why we know more about our solar system than the bottom of the ocean, Its easier to make machines that can withstand the rigors of the cosmos than thousands of meters of water.
@kmc7355
@kmc7355 3 жыл бұрын
@@filanfyretracker You are absolutely correct, which makes it such a fun career, just getting to see the varied wildlife is awesome. Oh and shipwrecks!
@F22onblockland
@F22onblockland 3 жыл бұрын
*Questions I've literally never asked myself* Scott Manley: Don't worry, I got an interesting answer.
@giggleherz
@giggleherz 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on your point of view, speaking for myself I have always wanted to know.
@Luke..luke..luke..
@Luke..luke..luke.. 3 жыл бұрын
Scott. Love how you cover the subjects that literally nobody else has even considered. ♥️
@marksmith2448
@marksmith2448 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos. Super interesting and informative. I like how after i watch one of your videos i come away feeling a little bit more knowledgeable than before. Keep up the good work.
@therealchayd
@therealchayd 3 жыл бұрын
"Standards are great, there are so many to choose from!"
@buckstarchaser2376
@buckstarchaser2376 3 жыл бұрын
The APAS is a significant upgrade over its predecessor. In testing, it was proven much more compatible with various types of equipment than the M0N-Ky-Bu77 docking port that it was developed from. On another note, the section that showed the shuttle's docking equipment in different locations has me curious about how the Center of Gravity was managed for the mission segment wherein the shuttle was expected to pretend to be an airplane. I expect at least one instance of them having to pile hammers and crapsacks on the dashboard, and everyone lean forward and extend their hands and feet... Just to make sure it doesn't swap heads and tails.
@laprepper
@laprepper 3 жыл бұрын
well it only needed to be a plane on the way down and not on the way up, so wouldn't it always have a similar center-of-gravity empty? or maybe the thing just flew like such a damn brick anyways and it did have fairly large control surfaces given the speed that it was going. but yes of course center of gravity vs. Center of lift is important for anything that flies, even the loose definition of flying that applies to the shuttle
@MarvinCZ
@MarvinCZ 3 жыл бұрын
@@laprepper It still carried the docking port when it was empty.
@JMurph2015
@JMurph2015 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would be moreorless fine CoG wise. I'd imagine it wasn't super significant compared to the cabin area at the front and the engines at the back, and both positions appear to be well forward of the center of lift which would be close to the back with those big delta wings. So as long as the shuttle was able to fly without the docking adapter at all, it shouldn't change much.
@NathanPK
@NathanPK 3 жыл бұрын
As I recall, the shuttle was designed to return hardware from orbit, and did so on at least one occasion. So the docking port may have been well-inside it’s CG limits.
@thenasadude6878
@thenasadude6878 3 жыл бұрын
Considering the shuttle was essentially a sophisticated, winged, rigid heavy truck, surely there were procedures on how to fill the cargo bay. It might have even been a simple rule like fill from the back forward
@dontbestupid6664
@dontbestupid6664 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting us know why in the first minute. It made me want to watch more. Hope the rest of your videos are like this.
@h0dgep0dge
@h0dgep0dge 3 жыл бұрын
I was JUST wondering about this! Thanks for the awesome video!
@rianjohnsonruinedstarwars3806
@rianjohnsonruinedstarwars3806 3 жыл бұрын
I work with a bunch of ex-shuttle techs and engineers. I will ask around today at work and see what I can get for an answer.
@ronwesilen4536
@ronwesilen4536 3 жыл бұрын
Just tell me too please!
@BestHakase
@BestHakase 3 жыл бұрын
Did you get the data?
@clonkex
@clonkex 3 жыл бұрын
*cricket sounds*
@Muamasow
@Muamasow 3 жыл бұрын
*cricket sounds intensify*
@SuperWhygee
@SuperWhygee 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I always thought the reason was much simpler and aligned to orbital mechanics: by being at a slightly lower orbit/center of mass relative to the station, it would allow incoming/departing ships to freely chase without fuel toward/away from the dock.
@peoplethesedaysberetarded
@peoplethesedaysberetarded 3 жыл бұрын
Christ, I love your channel and you sharing your knowledge and information. Keep at it for as long as you’re able, Scott! :)
@pseudotasuki
@pseudotasuki 3 жыл бұрын
That was a satisfactory answer to a question I've had for a long time. Thank you!
@adent6x7
@adent6x7 3 жыл бұрын
cool to see it back in the Space Station Freedom proposals.
@InventorZahran
@InventorZahran 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm Scott Manley, dock safe!" *proceeds to bump head on docking port*
@mushylog
@mushylog 3 жыл бұрын
That's amazing, i was just wondering yesterday how the hatches/docking systems work on the ISS !! :D ty for the vid Scott !!
@muratgurol446
@muratgurol446 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation. Reminds me of all the legacy design decisions I happen to encounter in my software development job.
@jimmyzhao2673
@jimmyzhao2673 3 жыл бұрын
The must have used this type of adapter on the Death Star causing the storm trooper to bump his head.
@freedomforall2486
@freedomforall2486 3 жыл бұрын
4:34 Bad theories on internet....nah none of those around! haha
@thenasadude6878
@thenasadude6878 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard that the ISS is flat
@mixingdude
@mixingdude 3 жыл бұрын
You ROCK Scott Manley! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
@bobberceli6874
@bobberceli6874 3 жыл бұрын
Scott. Very most interesting. Thanks so much for posting. Bob
@thePronto
@thePronto 3 жыл бұрын
"Would you like to come up to my space station and dock?" "Do you have one of those strange shaped pressurized mating adapters?" "Unfortunately, yes. It's a legacy of an old shuttle I used to dock with. Anyway, I'll try to make sure you don't bang your head on the way in."
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 3 жыл бұрын
The downside is that you can't fit a cargo rack through that opening like you can through the CBM.
@afox7040
@afox7040 3 жыл бұрын
Love the video, thank you for including the study!
@nosferatu5
@nosferatu5 3 жыл бұрын
The photos are absolute gorgeous, and the footage of the station at 10:00 is amazing.
@TheArklyte
@TheArklyte 3 жыл бұрын
Because first international adapter was made by two sides of Cold War in slightly rushed fashion with problematic communication between the teams and then it was accepted as standart?
@huracan200173
@huracan200173 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 3 жыл бұрын
The wheels turn slowly in the globalist model.
@carlwheezer3353
@carlwheezer3353 3 жыл бұрын
Slartybarfast B ?
@waiitwhaat
@waiitwhaat 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds about right
@skunkjobb
@skunkjobb 3 жыл бұрын
That doesn't explain why the adapter on the ISS is offset instead of coaxial. The first international adapter, the one for Apollo-Soyuz was straight, not offset.
@buddyreynolds8036
@buddyreynolds8036 3 жыл бұрын
What I find interesting is the thumbnail shows a starliner docking which has never and probably will never happen.
@codename1176
@codename1176 3 жыл бұрын
Not at this rate
@greyskull3363
@greyskull3363 3 жыл бұрын
Great job! Very interesting information Scott.
@christophergrove4876
@christophergrove4876 3 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT DETECTIVE WORK, SCOTT!
@memofromessex
@memofromessex 3 жыл бұрын
Wait until they move on USB-D, they'll need a whole new adapter!
@anthonyhusiak
@anthonyhusiak 3 жыл бұрын
Scott, can you please do us Canadians a proper service and refer to it as the Canadarm?! :D
@giggleherz
@giggleherz 3 жыл бұрын
Especially since we were literally the only country that was able to design and build them.
@harshthul
@harshthul 3 жыл бұрын
Very well explained and detail information . Thank you 👍👍👍👍
@dwilliams3572
@dwilliams3572 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting info about STS-74. This was my first space shuttle launch to see in person. Jim Halsell was the pilot on this mission and grew up in the same neighborhood as me. I had ordered mission patch shirts for this launch and I guess I overpaid because I had a personal check from Chris Hadfield. That would have been a cool souvenir to have today.
@nagualdesign
@nagualdesign 3 жыл бұрын
(6:00) Hell of a photograph. How was it taken? 😕
@nagualdesign
@nagualdesign 3 жыл бұрын
(9:52) Who recorded that!? 😮
@armr6937
@armr6937 3 жыл бұрын
@@nagualdesign I'd imagine a visiting Soyuz
@coreytaylor447
@coreytaylor447 3 жыл бұрын
a couple different ways actually. a Soyze space craft approaching the station, a space walk using an untethered 'jet pack' that was used a few times with the shuttle, or just a normal space walk outside of the station
@danieljensen2626
@danieljensen2626 3 жыл бұрын
@@coreytaylor447 Pretty far out for a space walk, my money would be on Soyuz.
@RockhoundBlack
@RockhoundBlack 3 жыл бұрын
@@danieljensen2626 I wonder what the furthest distance an untethered astronaut has been from the ISS or Space Shuttle?
@AngelsRapture
@AngelsRapture 3 жыл бұрын
When the ISS is really aroused it straightens out and gets longer.
@rc-pf1wq
@rc-pf1wq 3 жыл бұрын
thats a valid reason
@kyleking3839
@kyleking3839 3 жыл бұрын
Read the Bible you unholy thing
@masonmtb7
@masonmtb7 3 жыл бұрын
@@kyleking3839 why are you so sensitive? Its a joke, get over it
@loganpe427
@loganpe427 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm Scott Manley," _"And you're not!"_ Hahaha...rock on dude, I love your channel man! Great information, and you break down the techy stuff really well, thank you!
@bbt305
@bbt305 3 жыл бұрын
That was awesome! Your detail and information ℹ️ is extremely unique, and voice lol 😂 ! Thank you
@andersonparra835
@andersonparra835 3 жыл бұрын
" *which obviously increases the chances of banging your head* " Meanwhile dough hurley hitting his head whit the top 0:33
@FleetZ
@FleetZ 3 жыл бұрын
I heard the Chinese shenzhou also uses IDA as the adapter for Tiangong, so technically it can dock ISS, is that true?
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 3 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@fcgHenden
@fcgHenden 3 жыл бұрын
Not trying to be political but didn't China request to be a part of the ISS and was coldly rejected by the US? So now they're working on their own station. I forgot details. Video please Mr. Manley!! (Only if it fancies you of course). Good show, this one!
@baldusi
@baldusi 3 жыл бұрын
IDSS (the international standard), is kinda incomplete. It could most probably mechanically dock. But the whole approach and docking might be incompatible. Not to mention the electronic protocols once connected. And material compatibility, specially the seals, is ill defined. And we don't know how stictly have they adhered to the standard.
@polygondwanaland8390
@polygondwanaland8390 3 жыл бұрын
@@baldusi So, like USB-C is technically physically compatible, but actually a bunch of wildly different incompatible standards that limit it's real use?
@motofan16
@motofan16 3 жыл бұрын
@@fcgHenden I think the US puts law in place preventing any interaction between NASA and China. In unlikely events perhaps something like movie Gravity can happen where you use a Shenzhou to take ISS astronauts back. Anyway everyone uses one standard is always good. (Not like EV manufacturers even in the same country)
@ricardortega00
@ricardortega00 3 жыл бұрын
It has been like years since i started my research for why the PMAs are like that and i never found out, then i just decided that i was going to wait for this video to come, Thank you Scott.
@pilotwall
@pilotwall 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered why! Thank you!!!
@baxterjohnson-ronald
@baxterjohnson-ronald 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone commenting before they could possibly have watched the entire video 🤣
@thelonelyrogue3727
@thelonelyrogue3727 3 жыл бұрын
I watch my videos at two or three times speed using external software. ; )
@baxterjohnson-ronald
@baxterjohnson-ronald 3 жыл бұрын
@@thelonelyrogue3727 I hope there's external software that helps your ears process sentences at two or three times speed 😂
@baxterjohnson-ronald
@baxterjohnson-ronald 3 жыл бұрын
@@grandelDR 🤣 This man speaks facts.
@pentagramprime1585
@pentagramprime1585 3 жыл бұрын
It's a hard road to walk when you want your comments to make sense.
@nagualdesign
@nagualdesign 3 жыл бұрын
I actually wrote this reply before you posted your comment! What am I like, eh? 😊
@peterwmdavis
@peterwmdavis 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine designing a way to rescue astronauts stranded in a Space Shuttle that was unable to reenter...Good show, Burma/Soyuz
@KlusaisUldis
@KlusaisUldis 3 жыл бұрын
Ekhem .... Are You aware that on almost all Shuttle missions another Shuttle was prepared on rapid standby for rescue mission? That was big talk, when Atlantis last flew, because there was no rescue standby for her.
@Valery0p5
@Valery0p5 3 жыл бұрын
@@KlusaisUldis I think he is referring to the Columbia disaster
@jshepard152
@jshepard152 3 жыл бұрын
@@KlusaisUldis That isn't remotely true.
@petroleus
@petroleus 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott, great video! You mentioned a study to use the Soyuz as a lifeboat for Freedom and it being the first rendering of this particular design. It looks to me like in that configuration, particularly in "Option 4", the offset gave some potentially much needed clearance between the Soyuz' and the truss structure. Is it possible that was the main reason for the offset? That either these plans were serious enough they ended up largely designing it at that point already and didn't want to spend the resource to revise for the shuttle later, or perhaps saw similar uses for the ISS?
@BigC25586
@BigC25586 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Scott! Very interesting.
@arnelilleseter4755
@arnelilleseter4755 3 жыл бұрын
A little bit unrelated question. In case of an emergency, how long will it take them to get into the capsule and undock?
@KeepItReal2024
@KeepItReal2024 3 жыл бұрын
Well what's the emergency?
@thePronto
@thePronto 3 жыл бұрын
And what if the emergency is a leak in the capsule? (Don't be ridiculous...that would never happen.)
@arnelilleseter4755
@arnelilleseter4755 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of emergency is not important. My question is, how long will it take if they do it as quickly as possible?
@remcoh5793
@remcoh5793 3 жыл бұрын
That is one thing that they are intending to test with the Dragon this visit if they have the time. I believe the aim is to undock within 4minutes. I don't know if that's after boarding or hatch close or all in all.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
3 minutes to get in the Soyuz and close the hatch. They actually practice this. Then the crew can undock and land completely independently with no help from the ground if necessary. 3.5 hours from getting in the spacecraft until touchdown in Kazakhstan.
@danieljensen2626
@danieljensen2626 3 жыл бұрын
USSR: *Develops capability to rescue cosmonauts from orbit before Buran ever flys* NASA: Yeah right, like we'll ever need that...
@jshepard152
@jshepard152 3 жыл бұрын
It'll be *fiiiiiiiiine*
@ioresult
@ioresult 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent research quality as always.
@carlJansenstar
@carlJansenstar 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos Scott. Thank you 👍
@brianw612
@brianw612 3 жыл бұрын
They built them starting from both ends and they mismatched due to a metric /imperial miscalculation.
@rockspoon6528
@rockspoon6528 3 жыл бұрын
I sure hope none of the astronauts are OCD...
@WALRUSFACELOL
@WALRUSFACELOL 3 жыл бұрын
Still my favourite channel on KZbin.
@Dave-ct1jk
@Dave-ct1jk 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott. I would love to see a video about the future plans for the ISS and any possible replacements
@jshepard152
@jshepard152 3 жыл бұрын
0:40 Docking adapters traditionally have both a male and female component. This one is simply curved for her pleasure.
@Justin.Franks
@Justin.Franks 3 жыл бұрын
3:40 Sort of looks like a Dalek.
@yourmom1302
@yourmom1302 3 жыл бұрын
Have you noticed that scifi often influences reality and vice versa. Like look at the amount of tech was shown in star trek that is now a real thing.
@BurningTrapezoid
@BurningTrapezoid 3 жыл бұрын
Great Footage, that must have taken ages, finding all of those clips.
@AP-pb6tc
@AP-pb6tc 3 жыл бұрын
I just recently discovered your videos, and I was far too late... You have my subscription and thumbs up 😊
@Vienna3080
@Vienna3080 3 жыл бұрын
Me and the docking ports share a common feature: Were both not straight
@nickandersen3725
@nickandersen3725 3 жыл бұрын
Me: looks at thumbnail: "the docking adapters on the ISS are not straight" Also me: OK so they are gay!!??🏳️‍🌈
@woodywiest
@woodywiest 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the research Scott
@davedaymont5454
@davedaymont5454 3 жыл бұрын
I've wondered about this for years! thanks
@scubasky
@scubasky 3 жыл бұрын
TLDR: He doesn’t know for sure why.
@GTrainRx7
@GTrainRx7 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, bloody clickbait.
@TheGreatSteve
@TheGreatSteve 3 жыл бұрын
How long before the term "androgynous" offends somebody?
@sofuckingannoying
@sofuckingannoying 3 жыл бұрын
According to Boris Chertok' memoirs, they were going to call it "hermaphroditic", but thought it a bit unsavory and went ahead with a more neutral term "androgynous" from botany.
@BugWarp
@BugWarp 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding investigation, Scott!
@robertmorgan9112
@robertmorgan9112 3 жыл бұрын
You finally answered the question satisfactorily for me to give a logical answer to people who ask me why! A lot seem to think that it had to do with equalization of atmosphere and pressure because of a leak! No joke!
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