Tâi-gí ê Gō͘-hōe & Lí-kang Khioh 20+ Tang Tâi-bûn Cha̍p-chì 【台語ê誤會kap李江却20幾冬ê台文雜誌】 ft.

[@JimmieTW886]

民國60年、1971年生 我還有辦法聽懂阿勇跟老師的對話 謝謝阿勇 謝謝老師 我們一起努力 打破台語50年後會消失在臺灣的預言

[@familystones]

This was really great! Thank you. I feel blessed as a Taiwanese American.

[@wrabetpoo]

I feel nostalgic listening to the conversation. Came to the US only months old. Parents conversed at home partly in Taiwanese, partly in Japanese (from the occupation), but once i started public school, my Taiwanese fell by the wayside. My vocabulary is stunted at about the toddler level but this brings back memories of the sound of the conversations that flowed around me during family gatherings. I'm in my 50s now, both parents are gone and the two cousins i kept in touch with who were fluent have died. On a lark, i played this video and admittedly it was so hard to follow along, only snagging a few words here and there that i understood. Yet as i reached the end of the video, the words were flowing over my ears more organically (does this even make sense??) and the rhythm became more familiar. Interestingly, it's harder to follow while looking at the subtitles. my preference was to look away and just listen, and then i felt i followed the gist better. Of course I'd peek now and then to be sure the i got the word right since my vocabulary is rudimentary, but overall i felt some of it "coming back to me", kinda/sorta. Thank you for the video. It's an invaluable bit of my heritage. My kids only know how to say lie down, sit down, and take a bath. I've clearly failed to pass it on😣

[@pandabear153]

Thank you so much for the English subtitles! You amaze me that you have complete understanding of the Tai yi language. As a second generation American I can only speak English. Many Native indigenous people here are also trying to revitalize their languages! Wishing you all success!!!

[@suprashad4513]

阿勇先生.您好！您的台語說得真👌！像道地的台灣人說出！您真的🈶️言語天才！👍👌🙏🦢🦋🌹💕🕊🦜🐈🌷💐🌸💐🍀☘️🦒🐬🦈🐋🐳

[@leisu9259]

多謝阿勇，阿惠老師

[@曾寶連]

很高興發現阿勇這位外國帥哥訪問陳柏惟與林昶佐的影片，一口流利的台語，若只聽聲音會以為是台灣人，趕緊介紹給朋友按讚！訂閱！

[@GeniusInProgress]

I love the English and Taiwanese subtitles! My parents speak some Taiwanese at home, so I can understand a bit of Taiwanese, but not much. I'm always looking for Taiwanese content with English subs, so this was perfect!! Your work with Taiwanese is inspirational~

[@alexandersupertramp0621]

阿勇，你的影片有較大聲矣呢。 我當初時嘛是看民視的節目，受到陳老師的啟發，落尾才開始學台羅，決心共台語文抾轉來。

[@AiongTaigi]

Chán 👍

[@888public]

阿勇仔的影片越做越好了，加油！

[@geoffchen6845]

Thank you for adding the English subtitles on the bottom. It is extremely helpful for us American born Taiwanese speakers to learn more words. Much appreciated!

[@blaclFIREpolo]

好特別的節目 謝謝你的製作!

[@orbitx360]

阿勇的台話，太厲害了👍

[@游宗憲-l2h]

阿勇，要學台語最快的地方就是台灣的「傳統市場」！ 傳統市場有百分之90以上的攤販都是用台語交談

[@jared-gc5lw]

I'm third kind of people you mentioned, even Taiwanese is my mother tongue but i dont know how to write it down. As the rise of cultural awareness, I realize there are more and more people notice the importance of Taiwanese. Anyway, appreciated what you have done for this beautiful language ! ^.^

[@AiongTaigi]

As your mother tongue you can become literate very easily using Lomaji. Give it a try! ^_^

[@Rio-nf5uo]

Love your channel ❤️ there is so much to learn... Thank you for sharing, 阿勇 ☺️ More power to your channel!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@patiencegives]

Thank you Aiong, you are amazing. I really appreciate you.

[@mesaquecaiu]

A-hui lau-su is great! Every time she shows up, we learn something new. Great questions as well.

[@kmj6096]

李老師的台語真好聽, 真標準, 這才是我童年記憶中的台語. 現代戲劇中的年輕演員大多講得很生硬, 文法也不對, 就是硬背台詞罷了.

[@debraphillip2394]

台語連續劇對台語發音品質完全無要求，不像ＮＨＫ連續劇有各縣市腔調指導

[@張博閎-h3j]

小時候看天天開心，台語也可以學很快！哈哈！XDD

[@debraphillip2394]

看黃俊雄布袋戲學著大部分ｅ台語文言音，聽吳樂天講古學著大量ｅ古台語字彙

[@iw498]

Taiwanese American here. I found the English subtitles helpful. Will you be doing a future video on how you learned Taiwanese?

[@AiongTaigi]

Hm, not sure there's much for a video, but interesting idea...

[@ming-hueilam123]

Love the idea!

[@alikoubrujup_Lim]

Taigi Ro maji is quite interesting to learn. We used to communicate with friends via Whatapp messages, example, " ciak pah boi" ( have you eaten? ), " lu cho hah mik" ( what are you doing), mah zai nang ki lim teh ( tomorrow we go drink tea) etc, without adopting Standard Taigi Romaji system (which is really looks good to learn). So "ciak pah boi" should read "chia̍h-pá boeh", perhaps. Tâi-gí hàn-jī is also a very unique and beautiful, love it so much. ♥️♥️ Since Taigi was promoted as National Language status (thanks to the above Mdm Lee(,Ms Momo plus others), persistently advocate for promoting, preserving and maintaining Taigi, as National language and establishment of Taigi TV station-Kong Si Taigi Tai) , as a language to learn in schools, it is good to introduce both Hanji and Romaji system. ( Like Japanese Hiragana and Kanji). As long as, Taigi , a compulsory language to be learned in schools, we will see it blooming in the future. Who knows one day, it will become an official language, WHY not???? 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪 Note: Thank you, Aióng for your consistent support and promoting Taigi ( we called it Hokkien gu). Our hope is that Tâi-gí won't be a "museum" language 🙏🙏🙏 I like your slogan printed on your T-shirt, " Please speak Tâi-gí with me" - "Chhíaⁿ kah góa kóng Tâi-gí " is really a fantastic method to promote daily usage of Tâi-gí !!🙏🙏♥️♥️💪💪

[@AiongTaigi]

Thanks for your kind words 🙂 Chia̍h-pá bōe? 🍜

[@alikoubrujup_Lim]

@@AiongTaigi chia̍h kah pá-tong-tong 😊😊😊😊

[@ivyjuan7134]

可以透過讀台語聖經學台語（跟信教沒關係） 我很喜歡聖經聖詩本編排上排台文漢字 下排羅馬拼音 一目了然 ！

[@richardhuang4596]

客家語，原住民語，台語，都逐漸失傳中，現在很多台灣的年輕人，自己的方言母語都慢慢不會講了

[@debraphillip2394]

後生客家人ｅ客家話比Holo少年人ｅ台語好五倍有

[@simonpan5978]

阿勇哥 看得出來妳在老師面前很緊張 但你的台語世界強的!

[@m.w.8780]

Thanks! English subtitles were very helpful

[@luke871016]

Sī a hūi chiá!! Góa khòaⁿ chiok chē in tī Kong-sī ê kàu-ha̍k ê. 13:08 ê "iā-pô sit-bîn" ōe pún góa mā ū khòaⁿ kòe. Ū-kàu kó͘-chui ê.

[@itk0123]

Lí kám-sī Kiàn-tiong 103 kài ê ha̍k-sing? Guá sī lí í-tsîng ê tông-o̍h, siūnn bē kàu ē tī tsia khuànn-tio̍h lí 😂😂

[@luke871016]

@@itk0123 Góa chai-iáⁿ lí sī siâng ah.Kèng-jiân tī Tâi-gí lō͘ sióng lòng tio̍h lí 😇😇

[@itk0123]

@@luke871016 Guá tsuè-kīn mā teh o̍h Tâi-bûn lah ha-ha. Tsò-hué phah-piànn!

[@ming-hueilam123]

Thanks so much for this video!

[@Kaku-t5x]

阿勇是我學台語的楷模

[@Ben-uk5gf]

If you want Taiwanese to become more important to learn, try to make it more common. It could be a good way to start asking companies like Microsoft, Apple and Google to provide the Taiwanese language in their operating systems for example.

[@郭采采-u6j]

阿勇真有心 嘠你按讚

[@beanielux3365]

Thank you so much for this video it’s really helpful

[@rocchic496]

Hi Aoing, I really appreciate your videos and special guests who are helping people get an insight and history into Taiwanese. It was interesting and fascinating to learn that there's a written form of Taiwanese and that it's Romanization. I noticed there is a dialect (?) difference for the word 'year'. I learned from my A-ma to say it as "ni", but you and your guests (and others on various Taiwanese videos) say "dan". I wonder if it's regional. I am a bit confused by the fact that some of the sounds such as "D" are written with "T" (ex. Tai-gi) and "G" are written with "K" (ex. Kong), though. I hope you'll be able to clarify this if you happen to see my comment. Thank you!

[@AiongTaigi]

tang is "a year", nî is "the year" For example: 3 years = 3 tang the year 1900 = 1900 nî (Some people use nî for both, particularly in the north, but it's technically different.) Taiwanese "t" is the same as International Phonetic Alphabet [t], or Mandarin ㄉ. The aspirated sound is "th" (Mandarin ㄊ). Taiwanese does not use the letter "d", but the letter "l" is basically a [d] sound.

[@bluelan7253]

阿勇太強了！

[@AldO-HPB]

I am a Filipino-Chinese with Hokkien ancestry whose generation has almost lost its ability to speak the dialect. I am now 38 yo, based in Kaohsiung for a year for training and I am trying to catch up and regain fluency in Mandarin and hopefully some basic conversational Taiyu. Your fluency is so impressive. Learning both Mandarin and Taiyu at the same time however is a bit confusing, especially as to how to write words in Taiyu (for instance via SMS or messaging apps). My main question is whether it is necessary to first master Mandarin and chinese characters in order to learn Taiyu, or should I learn them exclusive of each other? As in Mandarin, many similar sounding words have the same meaning so the characters help me for Mandarin. Likewise, is the grammatical structure in Mandarin the same or similar as in Taiyu? As in one of the comments below, the romanized Taiyu and intonations are quite challenging to follow coming from Pinyin, but i guess it is more widely used and understood? Can we assume that native Taiyu speakers can understand (phone) messages written that way or are chinese characters still preferred? Apologies for all the questions and thank you for your patience.

[@AiongTaigi]

I recommend learning and treating them separately. Of course there is overlap in vocab, grammar, etc, but it's not enough to make learning them "together" make sense. Many of the basic grammar points and such do not overlap, so you can often end up with very Mandarin-sounding Taiwanese going that route. (Of course, try to recognize the similarities and use them to your advantage, but that is itself a separate task in a sense.) I strongly recommend focusing the majority of your time and effort on Lomaji (romanization), and using Hanji only "as a point of reference". Taiwanese Hanji are complicated, non-standardized, and generally useless until you achieve some degree of fluency in the language. Lomaji alone can get you to that point much more easily. Unfortunately, the majority of Taiwanese speakers are fully illiterate, whether Lomaji or Hanji. They tend write Taiwanese in "Martian" (using Mandarin readings of Hanji to approximate Taiwanese sounds), but they are already native speakers of both languages. That style of writing is almost entirely useless for a learner. There are plenty of FB groups, Twitter circles, etc., which focus on writing in Lomaji or various other ways of writing Taiwanese. You can use those for interaction and practice, since you likely won't be able to use it in text with most people.

[@AldO-HPB]

@@AiongTaigi Thank you so much for your very prompt, comprehensive and definitely very helpful response! May I ask how long you have been in Taiwan to have gained such mastery? I just subscribed to your channel and will take time to watch your videos. I just completed your pronunciation part 1 video, which already helps. I haven't watched the others, but like this particular video, I hope others will have subtitles too which i can use to decipher meanings from. Actually I am training in a hospital and often times, my colleagues often speak to each other and with patients in Taiyu so i've felt it a waste of learning opportunity not to understand the discussions. Anyway, thank you once again for your advice and insights! 🙏

[@familystones]

I hope to move back to Taiwan to Tainan. Do you have a Taiwanese language school you recommend for english speakers in that area?

[@AiongTaigi]

For sure - I suggest contacting the NCKU Dept of Taiwanese Literature. If there is a beginners course at NCKU or any other courses in and around Taiwan, I'm sure they will know. Their website is here: www.twl.ncku.edu.tw/index.php?Lang=en If the department general mailbox doesn't respond, contact the Dept. Chair directly, he's a very nice guy and I'm sure he'll help you out :)

[@familystones]

阿勇台語 Aiong Taigi thank you so much! God bless you!

[@DaphneLeeKaohsiung]

@@AiongTaigi Then, do you have any suggestion (Taigi courses) in Kaohsiung?

[@chunglunyuen6189]

頭香yay

[@zzasdfwas]

I've noticed that in the magazine, most of the articles are written in a combination of mostly Hán-jī with Lô-má-jī sprinkled in (though there are some full Lô-má-jī articles). It seems pretty hard since you have to learn both systems. I guess the Japanese have that sort of difficulty as well.

[@AiongTaigi]

Yeah it's unfortunate but there's a bit of pressure within the magazine to go more and more ROC-style (mostly ROC Hanji, with a little bit of ROC PinYin). I think soon there probably won't be any full romanization articles at all.

[@towndad]

阿勇老师您好，我现在学习台语。我想请教一个问题，我的频道名towndad，如果用台语发音，取两个汉字，怎么选比较好听。谢谢。目前用towndad，同台”，不知道发音准不准。谢谢！

[@CeliaGoh]

tbh, i prefer to express the language in 漢字 than its romanised form.. it just comes more natural and intuitive to me to use chinese character for chinese languages.. furthermore it makes me appreciate the beauty if chinese language as a whole, since many ancient /middle chinese vocabs are retained in the language.. for example, 箸 instead of 筷子 i learnt hanyu pinyin since young, so tâi-gí romanisation really confuses the hell out of me😂😂 not just the spelling, but the intonation notation as well.. reading speed is affected too since i have to vocalise each word to know what it is🙈🙈 many a times, i don’t even know if i spelled it right when it comes to writing.. i have two Tâi-gí keyboards installed on my phone, and they sometimes suggested different spelling😭 the other downside of using romanisation even if the system is standardised is that there are different accents.. same word would be spelled differently at different regions.. this can be easily overcome if hàn-jī is used

[@AiongTaigi]

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts! You wrote a lot, so I wanted to give a thorough response. I actually started learning Taiwanese with exactly the same opinions that you've listed here. See my early videos from 2016, all using Hanji. I will make a full video about Hanji soon, but here are some points to think about in the meantime: - Hanji are "natural and intuitive" only after studying for many, many years in school as children. As Honghui says in the interview, for most of Taiwan's history there was no comprehensive national school system and people didn't spend years studying and memorizing Hanji. (Not to mention the problems associated with an education system entirely based around rote memorization, IMO largely due to the need to memorize Hanji.) - A Taiwanese speaker can learn romanization in a few hours, and read / write fluently after a few days or weeks of practice, vs. years for Hanji. This is why romanization was the preferred method for well over 100 years in Taiwan, and nearly 200 years if we look at other Hokkien speaking diaspora around SE Asia. - Reading speed is affected because you're not used to it. It's just habit and training. Personally, after practicing reading romanization I can read it much faster than Hanji. Of course I have a different background (English), but I have heard this from many Taiwanese as well. - Reading by sounding things out is a very normal, natural way to read that almost every language in the world uses. Check "subvocalization" on Wikipedia. I'm sure that to an extent it is also used in reading Hanji. - About the keyboards, probably one is set to Pehoeji by default and one to Tailo. There are 2 different popular romanizations, I made a video about them a few months ago. - Regarding accents, every language in the world has accents. A writing system is not going to change this, even a phonetic one. Even the many varieties of English have different pronunciations and spellings for words, and English spelling was only really "standardized" in recent times. - On the other hand, I have heard from many Taiwanese that romanization allows them to "feel" like they can write in their own accent, and not be "standardized away" through non-phonetic writing of Hanji. Arguably, Hanji have been largely responsible for the "Mando-fication" of Taiwanese in recent couple of decades, precisely due to the fact that it's a very poor system for representing sounds in multiple languages, dialects, accents, etc. Of course, I understand that many people share your views, including me a few years ago. And Taiwan is a free country, so people can think as they choose and write as they choose. It seems to me that, after fully understanding and spending a lot of time on this topic, most people choose romanization. That goes for me as well. My personal opinions changed, but only after using both Hanji and romanizations extensively for a few years, and interacting with the people who are literate and frequently read and write in Taiwanese.

[@CeliaGoh]

阿勇台語 Aiong Taigi I wish I could give your reply multiple likes, thanks for the insights! I just came across this video on my feed, but I’ll definitely check out your other videos! Thanks for the recommended resources too! Really really appreciate your effort in promoting Tâi-gí, it makes me feel so humbled not being able to speak my mother tongue fluently.. blame the education system, I despised Hokkien so much when I was younger, that I refused to speak any ‘dialects’ other than Mandarin and English. (I’m raised in a Hokkien/Hakka/Teochew-speaking community with heavy Taiwanese media influence). But you’re right, opinions change.. When I realise there’s hardly anyone around me who can speak my mother tongue (Hokkien in tsiàu-an accent) anymore, then only I decided to pick up the language😅 After digesting your points, I’m still not very convinced that Hanji should be abandoned entirely.. Eager to see your video on this topic! Maybe there can be a system where Hanji and romanisation coexist.. Hanji is generally used for writing and romanisation to supplement the nuances in accents🤔🤔 just my two cents 😬 But before all that, guess I should invest more time to familiarise with romanisation.. 😂 Practice makes perfect! ✌🏼

[@DaphneLeeKaohsiung]

@@CeliaGoh Also multiple likes to Aiong😘 This is not only for language learning, so many cultural and political shocks...

[@DaphneLeeKaohsiung]

Another two cents: some of my church friends (in their 70s - 80s) read POJ Bible. They can read it very fast and some of them don't know Mandarin characters (中文字） at all. Guess Aiong is right, practice makes perfect. I'll start one sentence a day from now on 😂

[@shenguard1940]

關於台語的漢字，可以參考陳世明的youtube

[@htchd0211]

góa siōng-ài a-hūi ê tâi-gí chiat-bo̍k!

[@andrelee1201]

Múi chit- pái thia(n) lí kóng tâi-gí hō͘ gún chi̍t ê chin tōa ê tong-lat lâi kè-siok oh

[@AiongTaigi]

Chán! Ka-iû!

[@henwang]

Hello my friend. How can I msg you in order to get some help about Tai-gi. I am from a taiwanese community in Brazil and member of Taiwanese Presbiteryan Church and the sermons are preched in Tai-gi.

[@AiongTaigi]

Please message via FB fanpage or email: aiongtaigi at gmail dot com.

[@eabaw4wrw3rqf72]

hi aiong. even here in the ph, ban lam gi is endangered. what can you say about filipino chinese dialect of ban lam gi. because im not sure if i speak it properly or are the phonetics actually fundamentally different or something, bc the tones are different and we have some different vocabulary (not loan words) compared to taigi. even my grandfather from china doesnt speak like taiwanese accent of banlamgi. i forgot where in china hes from. i remembered hearing like piann chiu or something or chin kang. also, i noticed in our dialect/accent, we retain our ending gluttal stops all the time for ex: in taiwanese:"pha bo khi" we still say "phah bo khi". and the strange thing is from every hokkien family and friends here in the ph, we sound almost exactly the same tonally. do you know whats the actual name of my dialect?

[@AiongTaigi]

Sorry but I don't know much about Ph. Hokkien. I saw someone recommend a KZbin channel for that: kzbin.info/door/H5qyQcBd6h76owK3IU2fmA Maybe a better place to ask?

[@CeliaGoh]

i think the Ph variant is more heavily influenced by the tsuân-tsiu (where tsìn-kang is located) dialect/accent.. hence the difference with Tâi-gí

[@waynevevo4582]

🥰🥰🥰

[@Obelisk57]

Swiss German also doesn't have "writings" or grammar. They teach Hoch Deutch in schools.

[@方玲蓉]

地方的阿桑，感覺高手在民間！ 阿勇～免擱找半桶水=

[@123654481]

ㄉㄞˊ易逼挖勾喀後! 這是我平常打出台語的方式XD

[@AiongTaigi]

🤣 白話字無hiah困難

[@phooiengooi7404]

Good

[@lilyho4950]

第一次有女老師來上課

[@kohim-gi7007]

A-hūi lāu-su chán

[@葉葉-o2m]

Orz 連標題都⋯是台語拼法

[@twngrc2604]

Using the “Phah Taigi” how to find the word “Taiwan”? I can easily find “Tâi” but having trouble to find the rest

[@AiongTaigi]

Tâi-oân

[@twngrc2604]

I have trouble with the “u” or “ou” sound because I tried “u-an” “ou-an” all came up with nothing, did not know it is from “oan”, now to say thank you to you, I was confused, to input “do” or what else but finally find it under the “t” sound. So “to siā”, I need more practice...

[@AiongTaigi]

You can check my Taigi Phonics series to learn the sounds for each letter. That will be a lot easier ;)

[@melissa00815]

我會聽 會說，只有 羅馬文字 看不懂 不會😅😅😅

[@AiongTaigi]

網路有bē少自學資源，會曉講ê人學真緊！ drive.google.com/open?id=1eqm1CWkwS7g-5QrvolTtfWFMYVz5C_26

[@melissa00815]

阿勇台語 Aiong Taigi 多謝多謝🙏提供給我這個 網站

[@ivanchentanking]

為什麼要用羅馬拼音？感覺就是要去中國化，搞到跟越南一樣，完全沒有自己的文字，這樣台語早晚會消失

[@arinaina4262]

@@ivanchentanking 不去中國化，台語就會消失。

[@李婞珍]

我是台灣人我講台語，但是我不會羅馬字，借問會當開班授課嗎？

[@AiongTaigi]

kzbin.info/aero/PLTSKFutIq9d3nfUWJ0LyuTfl6TI5EtT4W 若卜 1 對 1、歡迎用 FB 寫批來問。

[@黃羿翔-b6d]

希望阿勇可以跟蔡阿嘎合作～

[@AiongTaigi]

你會當kā問看覓，我無hit ê通路neh XD

[@luibenghan]

Do not lower the standard of this channel.

[@hing-kaioks2833]

羅馬字比較痛苦的是猜同音字，所以一開始會排斥

[@AiongTaigi]

It's only a problem when single syllables are taken out of context, which only happens when using Hanji... kind of an "ok-sèng sûn-khoân"?

[@simonwu8251]

❤❤❤👍

[@連春士]

怎用羅馬拼音呢!？事實上羅馬拼音是傳教士不會漢字才用羅馬拼音學習用！

[@toofaelu5379]

阿勇，的閩語比我厲害很多，閩語是古中原語，但是也僅與此

[@debraphillip2394]

台語不是閩南語，因為講台語，中國福建南部的人聽無，而且中國福建南部(所謂"閩南")的龍岩人和永定的客家人也聽無漳州話和泉州話和廈門話，所以世界上根本沒有閩南話，閩南話只是中國來的外來政權騙人的一種政治謊言

[@hsuanchen8903]

無釵工

[@7ggsha]

像粵語,客語,原住民語......世界各地的母語......你我可能也不太會....... 總不能只是強調自己會的,還是要多些能共通且能傳承的語言??...... 也不是台語(閩南語+客語+原住民語...)不好..,其實對於祖先傳來的語言.., 我們反而對福建省了解的好少...... 你們要分得更細的話~出了台灣還能否聽懂? 光英語美語義大利...,世界上就很多地方各有不同的差異, 所以還是看要到哪發展學習哪一邊的?或道地的,運用的...,否然廣泛的,通用的,選擇更適宜的,當然甚至要成為導師老師等級的話,至少在地學習也要到中上的水平可能才有辦法,尤其最重要的不是只會一種語言而是打開世界的另一扇門,去懂他們的文化歷史背景我想就會懂得為何得更多到理會設身處地去著想有些敏感議題。 像其實以前台灣算是福建省台灣縣,施琅投降滿清,福建再次唐山過台灣,但因為某些怕跟鄭成功有通關係的入台,因而許多限制導致客家族群不如大幅落後同時遷往台灣的泉州人及漳州人,而在日後分類械鬥中失利並退出平原。(不然現在的台語可能不是閩南語最多唷?......XDD),對其他地區的平民渡台也嚴加限制，竟然規定渡台人員不得攜帶家眷，也就是說不許老百姓在台灣札根，這一政策後來導致台灣婦女奇缺。(才會俗語後來說「有唐山公，無唐山媽」 臺灣在荷鄭時期男女比例即已不均，清領初期，為避免臺灣發生反亂時有強大的反政府力量，因此清廷不僅不積極鼓勵漢人移墾臺灣，反而限制漢人來臺。在渡臺禁令下，來臺開墾的多為男性，又不准返鄉搬眷，以致男女比例失調的情況更加嚴重。因此，移民男子想成家立業，往往與原住民通婚。所以臺灣俗諺有云：「有唐山公，無唐山媽」。) 你懂這些你就更能看到其實閩南語跟所謂台灣(正式是寫臺灣),方言的歷史定位了~~~ 其它參考和語音?XDD...... kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6avYoRveK13qNE 有人說什麼賣台?可是當時是對岸的祖先要來台灣,好像我們父母如果從外地來到北部，怎麼會是出賣台北呢?......時空背景用得有點錯亂了XD......, 滿清跟日本跟中華民國,甚至跟共產政府,定位對台灣也會有點不同呢! 不能說任何一個曾經是其它就不算是..,這就很仔細了,至少臺灣學得是，但某個年代的確實也接受過日本教育,跟掛狗牌,沒有什麼說對錯, 就好像香港等等曾被英國殖民教育文化,說不好但他們的英文英語基礎確實是他們的一個優點!!.....,也好像我們很多人還是很喜歡日本文化之類的, 跟有許多人還緬懷大中華華人的文化跟驕傲,都有這些語言文字的美好~當然不必強調外省或後代一定要會閩南方言,如果這些方言福建省還都有的話, 說少數,可憐的客家甚至原住民(被趕到山上跟消滅不在乎的族群?)......,其實要想，當年,荷蘭或鄭成功,唐山公,等等來到台灣時,軍隊是有女生居多嗎?...,不可能吧? 所以很多好像都有混參擄來的原住民女性的血統是否?.....,而形成另一群族?......,?......, 現代又有很多東南亞的外籍新娘,為何鮮少大陸的?...,你問施琅,還是我們政府?XDD......,其實出賣到不至於,但危及政權(可能投票偏某一邊,倒是考量之一?......哈哈哈哈~),不然漸漸台商也不少了, 哪有一定要限制,也有當年讀錯科目的感嘆吧,譬如現在要把什麼強調多好,但最後結果竟然是擁有世界觀想到世界上或美國去走走...你還分族群的話更是被邊緣化在那些還有種族歧視非常嚴重的地方! 當然,如果不走出去,好像家寵一樣的臺灣也是一個不錯的居住地方選擇至少,平平庸庸也能度過醫生吧?...... 兩岸問題?!......,那是留給像國父那種那群人來解決的吧?台灣的命運一直以來雖然想擺脫被殖民者的命運不過看來,一直更換一直更換的...,從歷史長遠角度,好像沒固定一定甚至也不確定哪一種執政對我們才是最好......,誰捨棄放掉擺脫中文國語嗎?!......更不可能對吧!..,所以在非常時期的非常教育你就覺得該怎麼辦才是最好呢?!......,語言文字都不通的情況下,不識字丁,鴨子聽雷?......問題只會更多,國立更弱吧?當然,我也是這兩種文化血統下的混血兒,這兩種文化語言我也都會之下客觀的見解,甚至有三方面的血統XD......,我也在懷疑我奶奶那邊到底是不是曾有日本血統??......這樣就可怕了!!...... 日本也跟漢唐......,韓國都說孔子是他們祖先,我們則說是我們祖先,其實想想......好像都沒錯?!?!...那不就是??...共同的祖先?!......,所以又這些姓氏真是祖先傳承的不錯亂的智慧之一呀~吧?!...... 好多~~~農民曆呀~拜拜~要傳承不可能只傳承空洞的語言的,跟道家文化祭祖,拜關公,那些...,佛教,唐朝唐三藏取經?...,佛祖又凸顯印度那邊的階級問題嚴重以及英國以前的皇室制度, 到美國誕生以及許多宗教,甚至戰爭,導致文化種族的紛爭,還有現在疫情,以前歐洲可怕的黑死病,炎黃子孫也有許多歷代皇朝的故事,每個為何改朝換代的點點滴滴,什麼變化什麼不變,到如今, 其實對岸那些人跟祖先,依然是一代代的傳承下去呀~可能古代有些也真的天高皇帝遠,很難想像關心得到皇上京城的事情吧,地方官員頂多XDD......,嘉慶君遊台灣?......很奇妙，從皇帝的角度,台灣平地人民是他的子民,提醒預防原住民復仇要出草!?......,可實質上,應該多多緬懷,幫助同等,畢竟可能也是我們恩惠的...,可能也因為少女子,重男輕女跟養女跟童養媳跟?招聘......,一些習俗會誕生吧?......, 我也相信如果女人國會做法不同!呵呵哈哈~XDD...,好像能想像武則天跟慈禧太后時?......,好多民間故事,有人相信有人甚至想撇清不願相信,我相信我們祖先應該不至於騙我們是吧,雖然以前把武功講得有點神!.....XD,廖添丁..,等等,飛簷走壁似的,但看了國外特技表演那些,跟成龍一些影片..,真實到好像都不無可能,人家哥哥有練過呀~XDD......, 好像說很多,想到別的去看了在地台灣混血兒黑人說得多好的台語哈哈~真有趣!!......,像美國，像是一種綜合國文化,世界各地華裔非裔猶太的...好多種唷!!~但他們是同一個國家,裡面會發生的事情,最大公約數概念等等?......非區分而因可團結方向,然,也是感念文化保護用心,像布袋戲.歌仔戲這些加上方言,依然可以發光發熱就是~還有很多宗教廟宇祠堂文化也是可以指導傳授,祖魂,感恩。

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