T-Motor - Toothpick...?

[@mr.flymoore1696]

I don't think people really no how much you do for are community but i pay close attention and im very thankful that you share all your Innovation and hard work with us thanks for everything you do✌

[@Kabab]

T-Motor Toothpick: bit.ly/36cN291 Table of Contents: 02:15 - Quad review start 04:44 - Flight video 07:40 - Frame discussion BetaFPV HX115: fpvcycle.com/collections/frames/products/betafpv-hx115-t700-carbon-fiber-frame BabyTooth: fpvcycle.com/collections/frames/products/fpvcycle-babytooth-frame-choose-your-thickness ▼Join my FB group for more discussion: Kabab FPV facebook.com/groups/379155946182689/ The store: www.FPVCycle.com ▼ My typical 5" quad setup: -Hyperlite Glide Floss Lite: fpvcycle.com/collections/frames -Motor: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -ESC: bit.ly/2oDdzvL -WaFL’s Cap Cap: bit.ly/2GUpXxO -Battery: bit.ly/2JnsTDM -FC: bit.ly/2XRc8G8 -FPV Cam: bit.ly/2Q7LfL7 -Vtx: bit.ly/2HsrASs -ND GoPro Mount 30deg: bit.ly/2WC15zc -ND Filter (if used): bit.ly/2WEmQ1j ▼My preferred goggles as of Sept 2019 bit.ly/2k5YNv5 ▼Notable motors: -BH R3 2207 for $9.99: bit.ly/2NaTWEy (limited quantity only) -Xing 2306: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Xing 2208: bit.ly/2y3te8R -FANTASTIC 6" motor: bit.ly/2LqghOZ ▼Starter goggles: bit.ly/2qbJNOS ▼ If you want to solder better: -Fantastic solder: amzn.to/2P5QM2W -Fantastic iron: goo.gl/DqBipa ▼ Tips? Patreon: bit.ly/2oGLP9b -PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv -Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ -Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f -ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 -LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG -Tesla Referal code: ts.la/bob40889 Please use my referral code if you're gonna buy a Tesla. You get some free stuff when you do and I get better status with Tesla.

[@blazenicholls3590]

Thanks Bob. I bought one of these after seeing another review. I wish I hadn't now knowing your input without any credit for your work. Very disappointed they did this, but I have a feeling it is not unusual with these manufacturers.

[@Kabab]

No worries at all but I appreciate that sentiment. The bigger issue is that Tmotor is still telling me to this day that this product wasn't inspired by me or the discussions I had with them for many months. We just had an argument about it a few days ago when they said they didn't like what I said about their motor in my motor review. I told them I didn't like how they stole all my details for their product and that I review everything with the same critical eye no matter where it comes from. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mikedean3080]

Are you at some point going to offer a complete PNF parts kit for one of your toothpicks? With FC, ESC, Motors... that you recommend?

[@Kabab]

I'm really trying hard to but is a struggle getting all the parts in one place at the same time.

[@rc-fannl7364]

@@Kabab I'd already be happy with the motors, camera mount+camera and TP3 frame. The FC and VTX are more easily available from many sources, but these parts are harder to find. Just checked, and no TP3 frame on FPVcycle at this moment...

[@spfpv6753]

I picked up one of the H115 frames from you. I just finished it. It's easy to build on and it is nice to have the extra framing under the flight controller for rubber band battery strapping. I haven't crashed it yet. Yet...I have a pic on IG.Pooley FPV

[@mercybeat]

Dude... I was about to brush my teeth. Then all of a sudden I heard your voice telling me to floss. So I did. Now I'm going to subscribe. Happy new year.

[@Kabab]

👏

[@splugereport]

seriously love the tp3 bro. Only been on the hobby for a year or so but it makes my chameleon feel lonely, all my other 2.5 and 3 inchers weep, etc. Gonna buy like 50 frames on the 2nd so prepare your PayPal money clip! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@peterzingler6221]

Hey Bob do you think I'm fine with 120gr auw? Or should I better go for 3s and 110gramm on my 1306 toothpick

[@tehllama42]

On a 3S 450 class pack, they party even if they're overweight. 1306 is a bit on the lardy side, you're edging towards beefy boi class... 1303 at ~100g is going to party and be more efficient, 1306 is going to be mega, but have less flight time because it has the elegance of a howitzer sending a brick - but it's going to be awesome.

[@Kabab]

1306 is a pretty hefty motor. It'll definitely need a bit more than a 450mah pack. I'd a absolutely go for 3S on a sub 150g auw however.

[@peterzingler6221]

@@Kabab yeah extreme power was the plan planned cell is 520 4s gnb should cope with the around 45amp

[@Kabab]

@@peterzingler6221 well if power was the goal then the kv should be higher too which would then draw even more amps and need an even bigger battery.......my own builds with 5000kv and the same small battery are faster with longer flight times than this particular motor setup.

[@peterzingler6221]

@@Kabab yeah I've thought that 4000kv on 4s will make around the same rpm. However if it's shit the motors aren't that expensive :)

[@Barbaric_Iron]

Hey KababFPV, Do you recommend the Nameless RC aio 412t and 1103 9000kv motor on your 3mm baby tooth? Thank you in advance! 😎👍

[@Kabab]

That'll work but it'll be a bit meh. The 1303 motor is really much better for 3". The aio is alright too.

[@gavinvales8928]

How do your toothpicks keep looking better and better

[@Kabab]

I've yet to fly any RTF which performs anywhere near my own setups. I don't even understand why anymore. There's one or two that use the same parts but fly like 💩

[@manvsfoodfpv]

both in my setup using using hx115 frame coz it easy to get in local shop and its 4mm thick. Yes is rigid. but one point not good is it can hit direct to the motor if crash.

[@bengmo64]

What are those marks on the battery at 3:05? I'm gonna guess number of charge cycles

[@mrMacMilli2000]

Number of women slept with?

[@Kabab]

🙈

[@Kabab]

Yes charge cycles

[@nasone32]

Skinny arms sound cleaner also on 5".

[@bishopvick6373]

Looking forward to seeing more and the performance of the 1s Babytooth :)

[@rokonfpv3040]

yeah, plus this thing is heavier, has less flight time and of course, has more power but really seems marginal for what you have to give up

[@spartan-fpv6936]

Gday Bob, the betafpv frame is nice looking its been cleared some say it gives a bit more strength, im waiting to get your tp3 frame to build a toothpick with mamba 1103 motors what kv do you suggest 6500, 8500 or 10000 kv on 2s to 3s with the mamba all in one board nano vtx and runcam nano camera, anyway thanks for your info always and have an awsome New Year in 2020 mate.👍🛸

[@Kabab]

8500kv on 2s with a 65mm prop is extremely powerful. I'd definitely go with 3" however on a 1303

[@spartan-fpv6936]

@@Kabab Thank you Bob always appreciate your time mate.

[@MrStevegibb]

Would love to know what vtx they are using as the dvr looks super clean. Maybe its something rush made i know they rebrand rush tanks. Probably going to completely skip sub 250 and go sub 125 and just fly outside my house with one of these toothpick bad boys looks amazing to fly tbh.

[@MrStevegibb]

I don't know but i think this is the eachine nano vtx which supports upto 400mw

[@Kabab]

That's the DVR from the Orqa. It's leaps and bounds better than the fatshark DVR's

[@mrblue2392]

Should i buy something like the larva x , tinyhawk or save more and built a tp3 My budget is 300$

[@ludmilpan]

If you've already built these micros and you know what you're doing, go for a build, otherwise buy something and you can't go wrong :)

[@tehllama42]

You can get two BNF's, or preferred option would be to build a TP3 for 2S/3S on 1204's and a 1S TP3... or two of either.

[@Kabab]

I don't ever recommend buying an RTF for parts. Not worth it. The parts are usually lower end

[@yannickg6904]

@@Kabab I have a hard time calling it a Toothpick, but the HGLRC Parrot 120Pro looks like it uses some decent parts. I could order one from Amazon for around 100usd right now. I might do it and use the parts to build the free Airblade Intrepid ultralight I have on the way.

[@Kabab]

@@yannickg6904 parrot? I'm not sure those parts will even be compatible. They're sort of in the toy world rather than the hobby world.

[@boratsagdiyev1586]

Preach it... Btw kabab, i wanted to make a freestyle 3 inch Gecko , but should i go for 1407 3600kv ?

[@Kabab]

1407 is a good 3" size. Yeah

[@boratsagdiyev1586]

@@Kabab Kv-wise good for minimum of 5 minutes flight you think?

[@Kabab]

@@boratsagdiyev1586 with the right size batt

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

This vid answered allot of questions I have 👍 gratitude

[@sufysprojects2689]

Hi bob ! Where has the fixed-wing project ended up ? And the micro skyhunter ?

[@Kabab]

I'm waiting for the software guys to get the code ready

[@sufysprojects2689]

@@Kabab 👌👌

[@archer4922]

Great review as always bob. Have you had a chance to try out the new HQ 65mm tri blades?? I just got a set but the weather here has been crap and I can’t get out to fly and if I even test hover in my house my dog is likely to eat it lol. I’ve heard I’ll need to retune for the tri blades but just wanted to know if you have tried them yet.

[@Kabab]

If they make a 2mm hole version I will 💁🏻‍♂️

[@69fox]

What do you think about Flywoo's new esc and ROBO line of motors? Pretty interesting motor sizes, price is also quite nice. Would love to hear your thoughts on them. P.s. happy New year!

[@Kabab]

Looks nice but I dunno bout the kv. Doesn't really fit any particular size

[@69fox]

@@Kabab, interesting 🤔 Gonna wait for some reviews. Thanks!

[@tehllama42]

The primary resonant mode of a smaller piece can actually move up slightly with less material - coupled with slightly cleaner air unloading, that's actually fairly plausible. Not totally crazy - again these setups really make me want to get an OpenLager and actual see what's going on - but the biggest 'problem' I have with these is that I'd way rather spend my time taking a dozen packs out to the park and go rip for over an hour.

[@aliasrandom9241]

Hey mate, I've been flying the Eachine Twig lately on the 3x3x3 HQ props and i'm absolutely loving it. I think you should really take a look at the Eachine 1105 5200kv motor. Its very smooth, efficient and zippy motor. I was very impressed to see curved magnets (betaFPV HX115 HD which is 3x cost has worse motors). I think you'll be pleasantly surprised cost/value wise. Cheers

[@Kabab]

I've reviewed the twig. Those motors are fine but a 13 size has far more control overall

[@volvo850enjoyer8]

Hey kabab, did you finally receive the Mobula6?

[@Kabab]

It's supposed to be on the way but I haven't gotten anything yet. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@volvo850enjoyer8]

KababFPV hm I was looking forward to it but whatever, thanks for your fast response

[@i.v.2824]

this is the first toothpick I've bought, and I had no idea the scenario, or I wouldn't have bought it. that said....the esc failed as soon as I put a battery on it and spun up the motors past idle. It did have the capacitor installed in the correct polarity too. Since then I have put a 20amp betafpv aio in it and it flies really well. I have it running rpm filtering with JESC and I'm sure someone else could get it tuned a little better, but I'm really surprised at the performance and flight time that I get on a little 4s 450mah, (makes it heavier than you'd like 136g), but I'm happy with it now. It's unfortunate that I paid $135 for the kwad and then spent another $60 on a board, but I also bought another 12 amp nameless prior to just saying screw it and getting the beta board, so maybe now I'll build a tp3 with a 12xx or 13xx size motor. Are those baby hurricane props? are those in your store?

[@Kabab]

No worries. Yeah they're the 3016. We have them in the store

[@RcReviewsLt]

At least they kept the name of Toothpick!

[@creat3dlab12]

Hey Bob, which motor (size/kv) and battery (cells/weight) would you suggest for Geprc Phantom toothpick frame?

[@creat3dlab12]

I'd like to have power "similar" to 5", e.g. to get out of sketchy situations when diving

[@Kabab]

The phantom already has pretty good motors on it. If i were to change them I'd look for 1202.5 7500-8000kv

[@creat3dlab12]

@@Kabab I bought frame separately with some sketchy 3$/piece 1103/7000kv motors and I'm missing oomph. But on the other hand, friend of mine bought the complete phantom and hes also missing the oomph. Maybe hes using heavier battery than he should.

[@Kabab]

@@creat3dlab12 overall it's a less than optimal setup. A bit heavier than it should be and the battery needs to go on the bottom. Not on top. Weight distribution is an issue on top

[@Max_0578]

Does this thing fly better than the power stick?

[@Kabab]

Not really. Both of those companies have totally failed to produce a decent flying craft. It's actually confusing how they've failed so hard at it while they look the same and both have mostly suitable parts.

[@GB-sv9bk]

Do you have any input on t-motor 1103 8000k, For 2.5inch?

[@Kabab]

That sounds like it should be good. Use 2S 450-520mah

[@batmojuice5704]

Are you marking charges on the battery with dots?

[@Kabab]

Yep

[@cawel3425]

Which solder pad was smart audio t2?

[@Kabab]

Sorry I don't remember on this one but my best guess would be T2

[@matthewthomas4586]

if u had to pick a toothpick bnf off the market which would it be?

[@Kabab]

None of them. Not a single one. Never any of these RTF quads. I'm working on getting some made but they'll be RTF fully to a DIY spec. No idea when they'll be ready however

[@matthewthomas4586]

Thanks buddy looks like I will just have to build one the what stack and motors would u say would be a good start for a noobie?

[@inellialp]

When will the tp3 bundle be back in stock?

[@Kabab]

Hopefully end of this week but can't confirm. Waiting on boxes to arrive

[@MCsCreations]

Great review, Bob! 😃 But to be honest, I still would rather get my Eachine Twig. It's been great, it's cheaper and they didn't screwed you on it. 😬 Anyway, happy new year, dude! 😊

[@aliasrandom9241]

same here, loving the Eachine Twig! I'm flying HQ 3x3x3 props on 3s 450 - getting 5 min flights

[@MCsCreations]

@@aliasrandom9241 Fantastic! Great to know! 😃 I've been flying with the HQ 3x2, but as soon as I can I'm going to get some Gemfan 3016x3. 😃

[@JustInTime0525]

@@MCsCreations Please sharing your experience with them! I can't decide between the Gemfan 3016, HQ 3x2.5x3, and the Avan 3 inch prop :P

[@MCsCreations]

@@JustInTime0525 Dude, try them all! 😃 I just got some sets of the Gemfan 3016x3! 😃

[@JustInTime0525]

@@MCsCreations Nice! Hope to see you post video about them doing freestyle and your thoughts on them, subbed!

[@aldenhauser9555]

When will the mini immortal t be ready?

[@Kabab]

It should be back in stock maybe a week? Maybe less

[@aldenhauser9555]

KababFPV awesome!

[@gapsnapperfpv3947]

Do not get one of these!! He literally just said they took all of his information strung him along and then built their own "Kabab". thats just horrible

[@_Furey_]

Not sure if you watched video but he said they took all info and did it wrong anyway :D

[@SettekFpv]

9:50 is the HX115

[@Kabab]

🙈

[@SettekFpv]

@@Kabab dont worry bro! I would also get confussed with all that stuff you test atm ;)

[@blackbarett6632]

Is it your TP3 frame mr. Settek?

[@SettekFpv]

@@blackbarett6632 jup.. was the best option i can get fast.

[@nasone32]

Higher speed because weights more, and you need more throttle to keep it flying. So you are also going faster. A bit like using more cam tilt.

[@Kabab]

Mmmmmm maybe. Even my lighter builds with 1105s all wanted to go faster. The throttle doesn't really want to modulate in the lower range well

[@lievenvv]

@nasone32 More weight means that more thrust is needed to stay up - with less thrust left to go forward. It does not make you faster in that sense.

[@nasone32]

@@lievenvv It's totally the opposite i'm sorry. What you say is true only in the case the thrust you have is limited (when you are already full throttle, so you need to pitch less if you have more weight). Do an experiment, fix the angle at 30 degrees and add and remove some weight, try to cruise at constant speed and see for yourself ;) don't trust your intuition. If I could show you a drawing the graphical explanation is very easy.

[@lievenvv]

@@nasone32 Now I get what you were saying in your first comment. The lighter quad will allow you to pitch more and definitely go faster, but the heavier one will move faster if both fly at the same lower tilt for some reason. I guess I was talking about top speed and you about cruising speeds at a specific fixed (e.g. favorite) camera angle. Thrust is always limited tho.. And I definitely don't run the same tilt on my whoops as my lightweight 3" rippers. But I get your point, and it's good one ;)

[@tylerwilliams786]

Send me a set of those motors🙋‍♂️👍😉. Would love to test a set. Great video. Love the info👍❤

[@Kabab]

I'm working on them soon...

[@madbullfpv7715]

What battery did you fly this?

[@Kabab]

fpvcycle.com/collections/batteries/products/gnb-3s-11-1v-450mah-lipo-battery

[@tehllama42]

I feel like on biblades, the 1105 parties along just fine - although the way I fly, and how unsophisticated I am about feel in detail, I'm still extremely content with the feel of 5500KV 1105's on 2S with triblades... so I guess that must mean I'm very willing to fly trash. Honestly, hard to go wrong with any of these.

[@Kabab]

It's not trash at all. It's just not as in control as it could be

[@tehllama42]

@@Kabab In all fairness, I'm slapping $4 2S-650mAh packs on mine and using them as spec racers - with that use case in mind, 1105 is actually deceptively good. Feels amazing to just sit at high throttle and zoom around smoothly, the DVR really makes it look like I know what I'm doing. 4-6 minute flight time on cheap batteries, and getting actually close racing is just awesome.

[@ValFPV]

@@tehllama42 I'm highly interested in your quad 2s 1105 5500kv toothpick. Can you maybe post some dvr on your channel?

[@rc-fannl7364]

Hope T-motor will see the error of their ways eventually, and switch to 1303 motors. I guess you will also be checking out the Powerstick? Which uses different motors and does give credit to you, btw.

[@Kabab]

Yeah I have the power stick but I don't believe it's a fair review since it's a super prototype version. I'm gonna edit and put it up regardless. Maybe later today or tomorrow

[@rc-fannl7364]

@@Kabab Strange, looking at the specs it uses mostly the same hardware as the T-motor, NamelessRC board and VTX, but with Amax 1303 4800kv, and similar 3D printed canopy. I was hoping the Powerstick would finally be something that comes close to your designs. I am still trying to source parts for a Toothpick build, but most things are out of stock, or they charge a lot more for it. Like BeeBrain camera mount, it's 2.99usd on most US sites, but cheapest shipping option for EU is 13 USD. UK has some, but then the price goes up to 3.49 GBP, and shipping is about the same as from the US. Or some webshops claim to have stock, but when you order, it turns out to be incorrect.

[@danielruth6540]

Are the Gemfan 1318 Props going to be back in stock or why did you remove them Kabab?

[@Kabab]

It's pretty unanimous that the triblade is significantly better. So we're unlikely to restock the twin blade anymore.

[@dayeoman]

Yeah, no. Will never support companies that do what Tmotor is doing. Thanks Kabab! PS. Been having a blast with my Babytooth with your 1202.5's. Wow! Amazingly 1S flyer! This is the first quad I have built. Taking the motor header pins off was the hardest part. Now I only need to figure out what is wrong with my crossfire micro rx. Thanks again for the design and motors and the videos.

[@Switch180fpv]

Great explanation as always 🤙

[@scootroter4859]

Agreed! Always informative! Happy new year, Bob! 😎 🤘

[@MrMikeyBmore]

Not only do they not listen but then they steal your intellectual property! The most tragic part is that even if you wanted to sue them you really can't because there's just no money and it'll cost you more than you could ever get or it would ever be worth. Pretty work though man, before I even saw this video and knew that you were behind this drone I saw it and thought to myself wow that looks like a really nice drone for T motor!!! now I know why!! Lol.... pretty work man

[@Kabab]

I'm really whatever about it at this point. All this time discussing with them and this is the BS they pull. I'm just not gonna work with them anymore.

[@MrMikeyBmore]

@@Kabab I don't blame you man, I'm happy to not buy this drone or any products from a company that steals from a freaking client ......nope, I will wait and spend my money on something that you collaborated on and or designed, such as the diatone cube, which is a fantastic drone, I own 3!! 😆

[@Kabab]

@@MrMikeyBmore I didn't mean this video to be against Tmotor or anything. This is just common practice these days unfortunately. Comes with the territory and it's only getting worse.

[@mooosestang]

The racerstar 1106 motors that t-motor made for them have shafts made out of cheese. They would have been better off with a 1304

[@SplashFPV]

sounds like a classic rip-off situation

[@dilbertmcfly5986]

blown away by the flossing plug in. I followed your toothpick odyssey, and all the motor testing you dir and disc loading you taught us disciples. Should at least give part credit. Sigh ..

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

Can't wait for a Kabab 1s bnf!!!!!!

[@Kabab]

Working on that right now actually. But it'll be a while

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

@@Kabab Outstanding!!! I am sure it will be worth the wait!

[@splugereport]

Only two motor screws huh? Controversial!

[@ValFPV]

Huh? How tf is that controversial

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

Damn I feel Bad But at least its nice to know I'm not the only one to have gone through some of the same shit.. it sucks because It also was one of my fav companies like i assume t motor is for you.. fucking people... u got my support all day fam...mad love.. ps can u do fpv braces that say send it or some ish? Lol all my best n happy new year! Mr toothpick! Ps cheap motor n stack for a tiny woop style brushless, love the new one any chance i could help in anyway?? U NEED to slay the t motor frame with your idea done right... betahx1oo nice too im feeling that! Thanks again! N damn chamfered looked good but i like that.. alllot. Dont got allot of bread but got mad gear n will do whatever i can to help lemme know homie ur a wealth knowledge... soo much Respekt

[@archer4922]

Speaking of toothpick frames I personally think most are better than the betafpv frames lol. I’ve got the hx100 from their first batch with the weak frame. Snapped mine twice in the same exact places. It snapped right where the screw goes into the frame to hold the fc to the frame in the front and the rear meaning the only thing holding it together are the 2 other fc screws. But that said it was the original frame I know they’ve made some upgrades since but I’m waiting on that new frame now. It’s on the slow boat 🚣‍♀️ from China now. But oh well I have a primo that just needs a rx which should be in my main box today and also a kabab spec 65mm toothpick 😉

[@Kabab]

🙈

[@Kabab]

Really hard to make a big mistake on one of these frame designs. It's not exactly complicated. It's just a little difficult refining the design for weight.

[@kieptajfpv6010]

personally I paint all my frames with clear lak and there are some profits

[@outcastfpv]

Well, at least they're 1103's are called F1103. Just used them on an 2.5" Armattan Tadpole ultralight micro. for anyone who wants a look: rotorbuilds.com/build/21207

[@jayward7536]

Its funny how all these companies make all these products off of your designs and they sell it like they came.out with i would rather just buy yours

[@Kabab]

If everyone just bought my stuff, I'd be able to realize my dream and actually turn it all into a legit company. At this point we're just trying to stay aloft until we have all the infrastructure setup

[@jayward7536]

@@Kabab i understand 100 percent .

[@constipatedcow22]

@@Kabab that's why I buy pyro man

[@adamhasan7370]

T-motoreo toothpickeo: built by kababfpv (we know the truth)

[@Kabab]

🤷🏻‍♂️ not built by me but I was quite surprised to hear them say I didn't influence this build....and then they call it Toothpick

[@Kabab]

@DayzMennis unfortunately there's no one company I've found that's always reliable.

[@volvo850enjoyer8]

not really fair.

[@AgustinMolini]

Due to such high demand for your tp3 parts shouldn't you raise the prices? Sorry if I'm meddling in your business too much. I just really want you to not have to stop doing what you're so good at due to it not being worth your time.

[@Kabab]

Ya I would but I'd feel like shit doing that to begin with. I'd rather share it all with more people

[@Theo-dj7vs]

Ps my Tmotors run fantastic.

[@Theo-dj7vs]

Again same here...

[@Darksagan]

Sounds like you need to stop working with all these people whom are making money off your ideas. Maybe find just one collaborative company to work with.

[@Kabab]

I wish I could find one that would frikin follow directions and get the job done in a timely manner. Like, anything at all. I cannot even get parts in a timely manner.

[@brokenprop2474]

KababFPV maybe stop working with China?

[@Kabab]

@@brokenprop2474 unfortunately that would mean closing down shop. Almost nothing is made anywhere but in China. The entire world has given China all of their manufacturing and we all are paying the price

[@bigfuzzyarchon2007]

@@Kabab what about places like catalyst? They might be interested in getting in on the toothpick side of fpv. I think they are killing it with their beast class and I do love my BangGOD frame

[@Kabab]

@@bigfuzzyarchon2007 I'm already working with cncmadness and they're great. But still there are China clones on AliExpress. The toothpick copy is only $2.54 cheaper but they're gonna sell a ton of them and while working with trusted sources is better, it's also more expensive. This shit situation we're in is totally killing Innovation. I'm reaching the end of the line myself. The store needs to turn profitable at some point or there's just zero point anymore to all of this. I have far more profitable avenues to spend my time....I don't like them but at least I can live off them. The entire planet has given all the manufacturing potential to China and now we're all paying the price.

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

/facepalm their decision making sounds like the T stands for "Tard". Tard-Motor. On that note, if I ever have a frame available I am gonna call it the "Window Licker"

[@goaway4702]

What a dirtbag company! Why not give credit where credit is due?

[@biggfpv2721]

Tmotor is known for ripping people ideas and design

[@Kabab]

Here I tried to get them to work with me. I've given up since. It just takes them way too long to do anything and then they pull this BS. It's happened to me many times before so I don't even care anymore. Their loss.

[@goingforspeed]

The reason I wont buy one of their offerings. Too bad so sad.

[@AgustinMolini]

@@Kabab thats so unfortunate. I hope you find a good partnership.

[@maincarolinaboatshop6723]

Well that's life lol dude what you expected, I can make my toothpick frame n the same design just change 30 percent on it n book it's not ur design any more that's how low works.

[@Kabab]

😔

[@maincarolinaboatshop6723]

Dont get me wrong man, i love fpv. Love ur videos, your style. Im just saying people will always be people n if you dont like what they're doing then the only way is to manufacture everything urself lol cloners man.

[@Kabab]

@@maincarolinaboatshop6723 I wish I could manufacture everything. Unfortunately I'm in the US and can't go to China because I have a real job

[@3eggerfpv397]

Wait a minute, Bob, you didn’t know T-motor basically created the toothpick? That would also mean you probably didn’t know that Al Gore invented the internet? Thanks T-motor for creating something, you didn’t, we all know the true toothpick creator, Thank you very much!

[@kydawg1684]

T-MOTOR >> Just another Chinese Crooked Manufacturer.... No surprise they would not give credit to someone who guided their incompetence.

[@sganzerlag]

Kabab, you are often so mercilessly hard on other people's genuinely good efforts to produce a decent and affordable product that you are slowly losing credibility with me. I really enjoy your videos, but I am finding it harder and harder to take your opinions to heart. Mostly the reason is that when a company like Happymodel or Betafpv sets out to develop a product, more often than not they are targetting a certain level of performance at a certain price point. They never intended to design and build the very best product in its class. Come on, don't bash these companies and their products simply because they don't have the very best performance in their classes. Many of these products I see you bashing are perfectly fine in the hands of the average fpv pilot. Most of us are not good enough pilots to notice the handling and/or performance differences between a good micro and a truly class-leading one. So, more often we'd be better off buying a cheaper and good product rather than an expensive and excellent one. Obviously I want to see you speak your mind about which product or products you think are the best. But there is no need to completely bash a company simply because they made a good or even an OK product. If it weren't for the more affordable but decent products I can buy at Banggood I wouldn't even be in FPV. Oh and by the way, I have tried at least 3 times to buy your amazing toothpick at your fpv cycle store, but never did I ever manage to find all the parts in stock at once. At least Happymodel and Betafpv have their products generally available in stock (including the inevitable spare parts).

[@MarkK33a]

Gustavo Sganzerla My own experience with Happymodel and BetaFPV has not been good, their QC is poor and their customer support...well do their even have one. We all have a choice, buy what you like, watch what you like, and hopefully this channel continues as is. To date his reviews and opinions have been on point and therefore trustworthy.

[@dylanlikeavillan5165]

To say that bangbad and happymodel fly good enough for the average pilot says enough right there. The original tooth-p with the amax 2s is a fantastic little machine, and durable. We thank this guy for his efforts on developing this micro class into something exciting. If you don't get it, then don't knock it till ya try it. I was just able to put together an order for 1s t-pick yesterday. FWIW

[@Kabab]

Your mistake in perception is that you think these companies are your friends. They don't give two shits about you. All they care about is your dollar and Tmotor is definitely not the cheapest either. These companies mostly have zero innovation and all they do is steal ideas and designs. I'm right at the edge of calling it quits because of this bullshit. I constantly am. What's the point of doing anything if all I'm doing is wasting my time. I can have my own fun on my own without all this time and energy investment. I'm not fighting for credibility at all. You're welcome to head on over to all the Yes men channels.

[@Theo-dj7vs]

Dude you want people to do what exactly...pay you? Jesus...stop giving up your expertise/experience and back yourself. And as you stated they didnt use your build... Put the money up and fund your company

[@Kabab]

I was working with them to build things for me but they never actually did anything they said they would and did this instead. I actually do have a contract with them and they are supposed to pay me royalties for consulting. They're just denying I had any influence on this quad. No matter what I do I need to work with one of these damn companies on these things

[@dilbertmcfly5986]

You might not like what Im about to say. Drones are 100x better than the hacks 5 years ago. But overall, drones are still a mess of crap. Compatibility of TX, RX protocols. VTX finally going digital. F4 vs F7 - like 6+ years old. Its 2010. A $300+ transmitter has 128x64 chunky pixel screen. A $99 cellphone has 1080p. Little finiky wires. Special scripts. Endlessly updating firmwares.. Gamers buy 16-64 core systems, and meanwhile we are fiddling for hours to reduce filtering delay because the $9 F7 has like 256KB of RAM. At least Mavic looks modern.. collision avoidance etc Its crap. Its patchy. Its BS. Its like windows 3.1 before USB and plug n play.

[@Kabab]

Yep. Most people say 'look how far we've come'. I'm more with you're opinion however. We ain't gone nowhere. It's still a mess

[@jasonswing4088]

Look buddy you come at them with an idea that they loved and they knew was that he was gonna make money off of it but and they’re greedy hungry as they took your design changed a couple things on it so they could call it there’s in now the profit off of it thanks to you they stole your idea