T.P. Gallagher on Portuguese Dictator Salazar

[@trustymilkshake]

My grandfather was born in Portugal in 1930 and grew up during Salazar’s rule. He wore the green national uniform and gave the Roman salute in school pre-ww2. He served in the Portuguese army in the 50s but eventually immigrated to the United States. I spoke to him recently about Salazar, and while he never loved him, he respected him for his knowledge of economics as well as the order and discipline he brought to Portugal during that chaotic era. He turns 92 this year.

[@JAG8691]

My father was born in 1931 and also wore the uniform and did the salute.He emigrated to Mozambique where he met and married my mother and then moved to South Africa until he passed away last year. His father was a Salazarist and the children all had to listen to Salazar when he would speak on the radio.My father also said the same thing about Salazar and his role in stabilising Portugal during their first failed attempt at Demoracy

[@raulmelo5881]

He was a fascist.. stability? The people were illiterate. They killed leftists and anyone who didn’t agree with their style of government. That “chaotic era” was the best thing that ever happened to Portugal. U guys are ridiculous

[@gordusmaximus4990]

Its a weird thing, usually people who were under the dictatorship (talking about the old people these days), there is alot of trash talk about these days and even Salazar himself, talking about the Colonial war, being poor etc but "things were getting better". Despite that, all, talking to them (when they are not political people, if you are a far lefty/communist, you will hate the man like he is Hitler), they usually have some kind of weird respect for his figure, despite not wanting those days back, they low key respect the figure of Salazar. And i feel, that was the general sence in Portuguese society from the 80s to early 00s, it was almost a non topic of discussion, even the Empire itself despite ending at 74, was like it never existed, but the ghosts were all there. Today, Salazar and the Empire, weirdly, is coming back on public discussion, and like the USA, is deviding people (i think Portugal like the rest of Europe is importing USA style of politics), one side, says Salazar and the Regime were Nazi Germany itself, nothing good came out of it, the other are far right nationalists that makes Salazar a saint and the Regime the best thing ever. When the truth, i think its in the middle, but its getting a hard topic of discussion, still its a topic that may happen in any portuguese dinner table on family reunions, from the Azores, Madeira or mainland Portugal. I think this entrance of non portuguese historians is more then welcomed. For example, the Portuguese Poltical police (PIDE) had their archives almost not touched since the revolution, the narrative was always that the people were opressed by PIDE and there was no middle ground, people had no curiosity or political/historical courage to see the archives. A foregin historian Duncan Simpson was mostly the one who analyzed the archives in a neutral way, and smashed in a way that narrative, showing that the portuguese people colaborated more with the Political Police then what it has been told officially. Non political or even native historians are more then welcome to analyze the regime.

[@josesaraiva9566]

@@gordusmaximus4990 ​ @Gordus Maximus Para sua informação, uma vez que parece não ter vivido esses tempos, qualquer funcionário público ou militar que tivesse conhecimento de algum plano considerado subversivo, como o fomentar greves etc, era obrigado por Lei a denunciar essas situações, sob pena de ter tido conhecimento e não ter actuado, sofrer uma pena a dobrar em relação a qualquer outro cidadão, Sei disso, fui funcionário público e militar.

[@argonauth]

Salazars failure was mostly the colonial war. It was used as an instrument by both sides of the cold war to control and subvert the national interests. Had travelled a bit through Europe and USA and he would have probably become a little less creepy.

[@adelinomorte7421]

***I used to say that Salazar was a dictator of "artesanato" not like Mussolini or Hitler, he was a great diplomat and economist, but saying that, he was modest in himself and weak in his decisions for his caracter of a strong idealist. His greatest mistake, in my opinion off course , he made many improvements, never finished during his time, he trusted many people to help him to run the country, but they just cared for own benefit. Salazar had a secret police but not so secret, the economy being good was only for the rich. He had a dream not possible to come a reality, not because of him but those he trust (his greatest mistake) including the friendly and allied nations that were against his dream, that was the colonies being integrant part of the country by the Portuguese Constituition, but many of them had colonies and kept it even today, namely:Holland, Denmark, France, England, United States. Those countries made a fierse cold war in th UN against Portugal and some not so cold due coveting the richness of the Portuguese territories, To finish that as a democrat I would say, Salazar was as I said before a "dictator of artesanat" he was not that bad, but the worst was "the small dictators" that made the life for, the so called, lower classes, in Portugal miserable, the same ones that still do it after 50 years of that kind of democracy of Portugal. For all that I said, I left my beloved country of origin 55 years ago.***

[@sofialencastre2538]

Salazar saved Portugal and He was honest and a REAL Nationalist . VIVA SALAZAR

[@albertseabra9226]

Interesting Summary of Portugal under Salazar. The German Histhorian Walter Theimer analysing Salazar vis-a-vis Franco stated: Franco was truly a Brutal Dictator, a second rate general. Salazar was a prestigious Coimbra University Professor of Economics, and Public Finance as well. After the Military Revolution of 1928 he became a powerful Minister of Public Finance. Balancing the National Debt and bringing the National currency value out of a long Comatose Condition. In 1932 the Army elected a General to the Presidency of the Country. And Salazar became the Prime Minister. However, the President was just a "decorative figure" on the Political Stage or Podium. As stated in this video, Salazar managed to prevent Franco from joining the Axis Powers in the war. Frsnco was indebted to Hitler and Mussolini for their decisive support during the Spanish Civil War (1936 tô April 1939). According to a draft, German troops would enter Spain, taking Gibraltar in Spring of 1941. Salazar convinced Franco that remaining neutral was an ideal solution.

[@Patrick-youtube]

Actually Salazar had more of a relationship with the church as he went to seminary until orders.

[@yehshdhdhd7712]

69 good ball

[@luisMiguel24137]

He was not a dictator, he was a political leader, great leader!! Dictators you have today..

[@neoarmour]

Yes and his secret police disappearing people in the middle of the night proves it

[@Senhor_Bolacha]

​@@neoarmour A thing that actually never heapenned.

[@neoarmour]

Well I only have first hand accounts from family so I'll take YOUR word for it. Fodas caralho@@Senhor_Bolacha

[@goose5220]

I would not call him a dictator. Certainly an authoritarian but quite a humble individual. His ability to keep Portugal out of WW2 was probably one of his greatest achievements.

[@Senhor_Bolacha]

@@goose5220 Great leader of Portugal of many centuries. And greatest leader from XX century.

[@paulohenriques537]

And the church in portugal supported Salazar with few exceptions!

[@eltio1680]

ele foi literalmente visitado pelo Papa....ele foi literalmente aluno de seminarios, so dizes mentiras mesmo incrivel

[@paulohenriques537]

@@eltio1680 Não percebe o que eu escrevi. A Igrreja foi cúmplice no apoio à ditadura, com algumas poucas exceções. Com medo do comunismo apoiou a ditadura.

[@bomcabedal]

The exceptions were important, though.

[@LennyCash777]

@@paulohenriques537 Salazar was a great man who cared about his country and people, and did good for us the best he could. I don't think he was a perfect man or leader, none of us are, but great he was. He was what Portugal needed at the time (and now, IMHO): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX_Wcmd8gcRnl9E Now, thanks to the treacherous so-called "Carnation Revolution" in 1974, Portugal's government is infested with corrupt, leftist/socialist/communist clowns that have been running the country into the ground for the past 50 years: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipS2dpJpaZ12gcU Which many Portuguese continue to support and vote for as if they're in some sort of Stockholm Syndrome trance. Very sad state of affairs these days for our once great country.

[@paulohenriques537]

@@LennyCash777 Is better vote wrong than to be encarcerd just for protest to be possible to vote. No ditactor is a great man. And corruption was in the Salazar regime also. Ballet Rose for exemple.

[@Sleerush]

If only we could bring him back

[@teddydavis2339]

What for? To continue to oppress his own people?

[@UnderRebelControl]

You sure he was a Dictator and not a Liberator? Maybe learn History from the vanquished side and you will find out the reality that the winners hide.

[@susanpower9265]

shocking that usa first catholic president kennedy tried to overthrow catholic salazar

[@silveriorebelo2920]

Kennedy admnistration was criminal and deeply anti-Portugal - they financed and armed the FNLA, and through this terrorist organization, they planned the massacre of the whilte people in Angola in 1961

[@adelinomorte7421]

***not shocking just American interests***

[@jfarinhote]

Thank you for your thoughts and sharing

[@lsnows]

Salazar was one of only a few MGTOWs to lead a country.

[@carlsmith8815]

This is a very item.. Firstly one should compliment the civilised way in which these two gentlemen carry on the discussion. Second one does wish that they had a director to align the film frames, to their and our advantage. It's like we are at the bottom of bucket ! But having said those things what Dr Gallagher has to say is extremely interesting. about Olivier. Salazar's approach to Portugal's. problems. If. l remember he went home each night to mother. It's not the picture of doctoral rule as is normally understood. However despite a lack of charisma he obviously didn't lack political skills and above insight. He died in office and was succeed by a complimentary successor. As an historian l would like to know more and will seek out Professor Gallagher's book. among others.

[@victorantunes8763]

Salazar ❤

[@Mrrobackenson1]

But he did balance the books 😂

[@hyperion3145]

​@@bfc3057 Impoverished? The economy slowed down near the end of his reign but the growth never stopped. Caetano might have actually accelerated its growth with his own reforms. The Carnation Revolution is largely where we see the stunted growth.

[@gtagide]

What? the gold that came from the nazis were burn on the wars in Africa

[@eltio1680]

Salazar...the greatest Portuguese ever !!!

[@yehshdhdhd7712]

amongus

[@LennyCash777]

Salazar was a great man who cared about his country and people, and did good for us the best he could. I don't think he was a perfect man or leader, none of us are, but great he was. He was what Portugal needed at the time (and now, IMHO): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX_Wcmd8gcRnl9E Now, thanks to the treacherous so-called "Carnation Revolution" in 1974, Portugal's government is infested with corrupt, leftist/socialist/communist clowns that have been running the country into the ground for the past 50 years: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipS2dpJpaZ12gcU Which many Portuguese continue to support and vote for as if they're in some sort of Stockholm Syndrome trance. Very sad state of affairs these days for our once great country.

[@eddieibarra356]

@@LennyCash777 Yeah exactly what happened the death of Salazar and the collapse of the Estado Novo, Portugal loose their colony in Africa you know Cabo Verde, Mozambique, São Tomão e Principe, Angora, and Timor Leste in Asia.

[@LennyCash777]

@@eddieibarra356 God bless those men who fought the good fight against communism in South Africa: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYmnd56CeJ6UhLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3rVZYaEptdnY9E

[@eddieibarra356]

@@LennyCash777 Yeah but eventually Angola fall into the hands of the communist, and lead to a nearly 30 years turbulent civil war and Timor Leste falls into the hands of the Indonesian where they force converted to Islam, tortured, and women were raped and sold as sex slave. Meanwhile Isis has arrived in Mozambique particularly in Cabo Delgado.

[@mfmf100]

Is there a distinction between integralism and theocracy?

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Here is a video by Classical Theist on the matter: ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/nabch4F9hbd4r6s ). I think Catholic countries (Perhaps as a result many protestant countries.) managed to make a mixture of Church and State which inherited a lot from Roman and Germanic (Or the local law prevailing.) law. Clergy could become high figures in the State including Chief Minister but if you look at states like France these figures tended to be immensely pragmatic and statesmen-like. That being noted Religious laws did prevail in a sense, including opposing heresy for treason. This began to change in the 18th and 19th Century when secularism began to soak in, in my opinion to the detriment of those states, with a lot of vitriol and state control of the Ecclesiastical hierarchy in the name of enlightened liberalism. Ironically the French President is a Canon of a Roman Church.

[@manuellopes3690]

What about his crack down on political disedennts?

[@Nsatiro]

Great Hero in Portugal. God save our Salazar.. we love him.

[@yehshdhdhd7712]

salazar is my friend man , look at him so inspirational

[@vascoapolonio2309]

No. Not me.

[@eddieibarra356]

Along with Francisco Franco

[@LennyCash777]

Salazar was a great man who cared about his country and people, and did good for us the best he could. I don't think he was a perfect man or leader, none of us are, but great he was. He was what Portugal needed at the time (and now, IMHO): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX_Wcmd8gcRnl9E Now, thanks to the treacherous so-called "Carnation Revolution" in 1974, Portugal's government is infested with corrupt, leftist/socialist/communist clowns that have been running the country into the ground for the past 50 years: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipS2dpJpaZ12gcU Which many Portuguese continue to support and vote for as if they're in some sort of Stockholm Syndrome trance. Very sad state of affairs these days for our once great country.

[@eddieibarra356]

@@LennyCash777 Look at Spain after Franco death

[@MiguelTeixeiraRosa]

My grandfather knew people that were killed by his order

[@LennyCash777]

If that's true, they were probably communists. In which case, good riddance.

[@raulmelo5881]

He was a fascist pos my grandparents also would tell Me about people they knew being disappeared in the middle of night and never being seen again.. to see ppl defend him and say he brought stability and economic well being is fucking ridiculous

[@maanvol]

I did live in Portugal during his time in power, and he never did me any wrong, but then again I had no reason to oppose him; Portugal used to be a clean country, with little to none criminality!

[@teddydavis2339]

I wish you would elaborate. These people need to know.

[@mito88]

traditional order..... pffff

[@teddydavis2339]

These people want to paint Salazar as a nice monster. Portugal as a nation has committed so many atrocities around the world. People are always trying to paint the Portuguese as these kind and humble, when in fact they were very cruel and brutal in their colonies. European heroes are mostly murderers. I don't know why they praise such people. The native Africans were still living in slave like conditions in 1974, when they were kicked out. Good christians don't do what the Portuguese did, no mstter how many church they build.

[@Axe-df6ps]

Good

[@yehshdhdhd7712]

very good penis

[@antoniomonteiro9236]

Portuguese, poeple, need, lesson

[@yehshdhdhd7712]

poeple wtf people men what wrong you

[@LennyCash777]

Salazar was a great man who cared about his country and people, and did good for us the best he could. I don't think he was a perfect man or leader, none of us are, but great he was. He was what Portugal needed at the time (and now, IMHO): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX_Wcmd8gcRnl9E Now, thanks to the treacherous so-called "Carnation Revolution" in 1974, Portugal's government is infested with corrupt, leftist/socialist/communist clowns that have been running the country into the ground for the past 50 years: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipS2dpJpaZ12gcU Which many Portuguese continue to support and vote for as if they're in some sort of Stockholm Syndrome trance. Very sad state of affairs these days for our once great country.

[@eddieibarra356]

@@LennyCash777 Spain is even worse, mass immigrant in Spain, That is the only savior for Portugal there is no masssive immigration invasion.

[@eddieibarra356]

@@LennyCash777 Well yeah especially Mario Soares, Jorge Sampaio, Anibal Cavaco, Marcelo Rebelo, and Antonio Costa. Portugal is no longer a Christian Catholic country it was Catholic that built Portugal.

[@LennyCash777]

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[@yehshdhdhd7712]

Shemuel ramirez salazar is my men

[@yehshdhdhd7712]

he put cokc in my friend nose

[@yehshdhdhd7712]

so fucking small wtf

[@nevadastronghold]

It’s old rat tooth snagglemouth

[@vascoapolonio2309]

Salazar killed the priests that fought for justice. Like Padre Max

[@TheKingoftheriff]

Salazar morreu em 1970, o pe max morreu em 1972. Mais tabaco nisso.

[@miguelmartins9706]

Bruh ca ganda burro

[@raulmelo5881]

He killed anyone who was a threat to his regime . Fascist through & through

[@miguelmartins9706]

@@raulmelo5881 no, he didn't

[@raulmelo5881]

@@miguelmartins9706 yes he did , how many leftists did he kill ? How many people disappeared because of pide and never came back? Anyone who thought for themselves was a threat and put in prison or killed , if u defend him ur a fascist