T1 win! Worlds 2024 Finals Recap / Is Faker the GOAT of Esports? - Summoning Insight S7 E43

[@davienssprime123]

They really just rated Kiin over Zeus the whole year and now Thorin goes "Let Chovy have Zeus and Faker have anyone else and then we will see who wins"

[@나는나야-y7s]

Lmao😂

[@SaraGon15]

lol they will later say.. let him have Oner instead of Canyon!

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

@@davienssprime123 just mute thorin , literal bronze player at best

[@dwindled1339]

​​@leaguefixesyourmatches8259 what is his peak rank btw? Prolly platinum at best

[@fulnaz3164]

Which is also really funny because aside from Keria all of T1's current roster came from their academy. He basically want T1 to sell their homegrown player lmao

[@hyogeunkim-r7u]

What thorin says is that if you change the team members, the winner changes. So the team members are parts for Chovy? It's been a long time since I heard something so crazy. Isn't that what you say you criticize and hate on a daily basis? Isn't it contradictory to make such a claim yourself? Is the theme a black comedy?

[@lewtx2283]

Well...he's been an hypocrite for years now. Its like he has no shame as an person.

[@PichiStail]

01:19:43 The most underrated player on T1 is Oner, not Zeus. Zeus get's his fair share of praise and blame, Oner only get's blammed by 95% of the community 80% of the time.

[@BorgesianDream]

For sure his team fights are next level and no other jungler would make the choices he does in a team fight. Zeus is generally accepted as the best player on the team already

[@RoltonCussell]

@@BorgesianDreamalso drew Vi bans in finals because he was incredible on it when every jungler was winless on it.

[@laisensei6984]

TBF, Oner did cost them many wins over the past 2 years. Of all the losses T1 got, Oner was responsible for at least 60% of that, and then Keria for about 20%, Zeus for 10%. Then Guma and Faker each share 5%.

[@davienssprime123]

Oner is flamed more because no one seems to be able to blame anything on guma because he is treated the most like a kpop artist.

[@laisensei6984]

@ Things will change after this finals though. Anyone with proper eyesight would know that Guma almost cost them the whole series. He played almost as bad as On did on BLG.

[@BlazyBlaze-c8k]

you guys act as if the T1 fans are the ones that are insufferable but I think it's having to listen to the two of you talk about T1 fans is the truly insufferable part of all of this holy shit lmfao

[@BlazyBlaze-c8k]

it took 40 seconds for Thorin to make an absolute ass of himself while Monte half-assed laughed along trying to act like it's not horribly cringe

[@YukinaFugi]

T1 haters- T1 is so dogshit, “downfallllll” T1 fans fight back- “holy shit t1 fans are so toxic” Just can’t win honestly. I can admit t1 fans are toxic but t1 haters will never admit they are toxic as well that’s the difference

[@michaelbevin5576]

Absolutely, I wanted to say the same after watching their previous video. Who cares if there's some idiots out there with bad takes - you can find idiots on the internet on every topic, but who cares - why give them soooo much attention? I never even noticed them outside of these guys ranting about them, and I really don't come here to listen to you whine about them for half the video.

[@raphaelsanandres6221]

One thing that's rarely mentioned about the turn onto Knight in Game 5 is that Oner and Faker prepared that re-engage when they saw the Bin TP. Oner stacks his knockup on the minions then waits for Faker to engage before dashing in. T1 saw that angle a few seconds before they killed Knight, which is insane to me since it looks losing??

[@TheAngelFolly]

They knew knight no flash, Faker had flash up for f+taunt. It was 3v3 while Bin is TPing and T1 had a lot of health. Really crazy to make that snap decision as soon as Bin is using TP and planning for it in a second to maximize the play.

[@mauricewalmsley7035]

Monte does cover the Bin tp in detail, and says it was a mistake. Those 3-4 seconds when Bin can't join the fight were crucial.

[@laisensei6984]

Because it WAS losing for T1, and it only ended up in T1’s favor because Knight decided to brainlessly chase that full HP full mana Xin for no reason (even though he already lost his flash, ult, Zhongya, and charm) with absolutely no regard to the Galio that was walking up to him. He should have just backed off and wait for ability CD when he was slowed down by Xin W (or even before that) and let either Jarvin or Jax engage first, and that would have been an easy win for BLG.

[@mauricewalmsley7035]

@laisensei6984 it also ended in T1's favour as BLG had used all ultis and flashes killing Guma and Keria. They had no resources left. T1 had plenty

[@semitemos1727]

@@laisensei6984 it is his first game 5 in his first world final. Is it that hard to not spread hate on the player? I watch alot of live steam and none of them called it an overchase before the fight ended.

[@fathertime7864]

There is a difference between fans "believing" in T1 than "knowing" T1 will win worlds. No sane fan are saying they "know" T1 will win. It's just that they believe T1 could recover and be good again even when they were playing like shit. You are just tilting the situation so that you have reasons to hate on T1 fans. And I mean the T1 fans that actually watch all the games. Not the ones that just watch worlds, those you can hate all you want. lol Also, the argument "Chovy would trade his LCK titles for worlds" is not some alchemy BS you are talking about. The context of that is how a Worlds title is valued not that losing LCK will make you win worlds. You are not only nitpicking the points you want to argue, you are also nitpicking the context you want to apply them to. I agree that T1 stans are pathetic, but LFN being this defensive is more pathetic imo.

[@PichiStail]

"Chovy is much younger than Faker" Chovy is 5 years younger than faker. In his first 6 years (from age 17 to 23) Faker won 2 MSI's, 7 LCKs, 3 Worlds. He also placed 2nd on the first MSI and in Worlds 2017 and reached worlds semis in 2019. The worst placement on an international event from Faker's 6 first years is Chovy's best outside of MSI 2024.

[@YukinaFugi]

This was chovy 6 almost 7th season since he started summer 2018. Don’t know why they still tryna push the he’s young narrative for lmao. At some point we need to hold Chovy accountable for having no clutch genes

[@AliceNine]

​@@YukinaFugiYeah, Chovy has been playing for 6 full years now. The majority of League pros retire before then. Chovy is a fucking veteran. He's entering year 7.

[@daughtermedicine123]

@@AliceNine 7 in 2025

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

​@@AliceNinedamn, chovy is a grandpa. Maybe he is losing his mechanics... lol

[@Raidizzy]

@@PichiStail you can't compare chovys start to fakers like that, simply because the game is significantly different between then and now. Back then, a mid laner could solo carry games, which is why Faker being so good mattered. Not to mention the world as a whole just getting better over time. He also came up at the same time as prime Showmaker Canyon, with faker himself just exiting his prime lmao that's why Chovy being so good stood out. Sadly, he's just not as clutch. If mid could still 1v9 like years past, Knight and Chovys narratives would be so different.

[@KhanhTran-yx2zd]

I feel like the people who believed T1 were the favorites from the very beginning are a much smaller group than Monte and Thorin make it out to seem, maybe a vocal minority. Throughout the year the major narrative I saw most of was that T1 have been underperforming and are lucky to even be at worlds. Lots of comments on how Faker is gimped by his injury and should retire. I did occasionally see the T1 fanboy shitting on anyone who would make those comments about Faker, but equally I noticed a lot of comments fire back at the T1 fanboys and hating on anything T1. Even though there are definitely some delusional narratives going around about T1, Monte and Thorin seem to be pushing a narrative that these delusional narratives are more prevalent than they actually are. It just gets hard to watch when Monte and Thorin spend almost half the time complaining about those T1 fanboys. Sure they're obnoxious, but letting this vocal minority take up so much real estate in their mental gets difficult to watch.

[@낙원-h6z]

yes

[@SaraGon15]

if they dont do that what else they got lol, sad to say they need those "T1 delusional fans" is the majority of the viewership they got.

[@kiniro8553]

Yeah personally I put T1 in my pickems as crystalball world winners but more so because I'm a fan and didn't rly believe they had it in them this years after that summer split.

[@victorvondoom4869]

yes, this. Dom also falls into this problem, arguing vs the small but very loud group of delusional T1 fans that are always online on these social media like twitter and reddit. And then talk as if all the T1 fans are like this. It's just tired to hear this in every goddamn shows of them.

[@SaraGon15]

@@kiniro8553 i am a fan too, but honestly i thought this was GenG's year and as 2nd Favs had BLG, i knew we could beat the others somehow but not those 2...

[@joeywheeler9074]

Remember guys the 5th trophy is for us. We got one more than all the haters.

[@Totaluser1]

Bro thinks he's on the team 😂

[@robinandersson99]

@@Totaluser1 faker said it was for the fans

[@Max88188]

​@@robinandersson99 little bro really thinks the controller is plugged in!!

[@MrBahki]

Haters salty they’re not world champions.

[@obiwankanoki3343]

Exactly, imma world champion

[@jwitt19]

"Faker" is true to his name. He fakes being bad all year long just to throw everyone off and goes into worlds and wins another worlds trophy.

[@asf2422-ct1go]

Lv1 listener: What the fck are you talking about. 🤬 Lv 99 listeners: another epic comedy show 🤣

[@NaClLord]

I wish Oner got more recognition on T1. I feel he's pretty looked over, not by the podcast in particular, but as a whole from the community.

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

@@NaClLord he is the secret weapon. Even the opponents don't know...shhh.

[@damroll]

The subtle backtracking of Thorin is actually hilarious. He acts like he never questioned Faker’s GOAT status, it was not long ago that he kept arguing Rookie’s career was somehow better than Fakers. And for those of you that somehow defends this moron, no he did not say Rookie “at the time” is a better player, Thorin ACTUALLY argued Rookie’s career being greater than Fakers.

[@lewtx2283]

Thorin is washed and drunk on his past where he actually had good takes and understanding during early years of League. Coming from someone whom used to like listening to him back then.

[@Iliceon]

He did not say "at the time" but he also did not say Rookie had a better career. That's literally impossible to argue. I'm pretty sure he said he considers Rookie the Best of all time in terms of how many years he was in world class top 5 mid form. He's a talk show host, he has to keep coming up with novel angles, not a big deal

[@m4ng4n]

@@Iliceon He can pull those angles from a "what about" perspective instead of being so dismissive.

[@williamrupnick5861]

He had this take 3 years ago, before the current T1 roster came into being. It was an interesting discussion at the time for sure

[@jackthomas3483]

@@williamrupnick5861he had this take this year. Thoorin copers and defenders are more delusional than T1 fans

[@cyberiaaa2744]

Monte still arguing Kinn is a better toplaner than Zeus or even Bin is the most deliusional take i’v ever heard considering both recent perfomances and all time career

[@zimzalabimzed]

Tbf, he did clarify that Kiin is just his 'ideal' toplaner (or something along those lines). It's his subjective take. Personally, Zeus and Bin take the cake for me haha.

[@animevolution880]

Its a question of what you want, 369 isnt considered a better toplaner than bin for everybody, but was the better toplaner the entire year because he did his job

[@yassirelhidani6803]

@@cyberiaaa2744 isn't zeus is the real ideal toplaner , aggressive like nuguri bin and all around reliable and flexible with huge championpool of kiin and weakside of 369 , he's the perfect toplaner.

[@vsant2886]

Zeus is just 20. He was 17 in 2022 and playing in worlds. Zeus the goat too Lamer to me. 3 years in the sport and 3 world finals 2 wins 1 mvp.

[@gameplayerbr4962]

He plays with Faker, mate. Everything he does is worthless until he proves otherwise, and when he did play without Faker they went 1-7 and he only looked better than Keria.

[@EnzoDeOliveiraFarias-ny3vs]

thing about Zeus is that i thought he was just a mechanical player but bro, he evolved ALOT, after playing alot of swaps he became such a smart player and completely outsmarted BLG in game 5/4, he's really good

[@nirvash241]

@@gameplayerbr4962 he is still the backbone of T1 win though... Zeus and Keria basically need to be on form for them to start winning

[@readASV]

@@gameplayerbr4962his strength is his micro though… is Faker telling him to trade well? i wish it were that simple

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@gameplayerbr4962 Terrible take considering Zeus has been the carry in a lot of these run.

[@oscarnymann1544]

We keep talking about casual fans falling for narratives but when discussing T1 at swiss 2023 you forget T1 2-0’ing blg while already pulling out the meta they won the turnament with - you’re just working off of vibes as much as the next casual fan :))

[@메일알파]

Compared to Thorin, Monte is normal.

[@BlackDeathBlade]

This year was the Chovy and Knight story for sure. It's not hard to say that these two were the best mid laners this year. That said, what separates Faker from Chovy and Knight is moreso that Faker's ability to macro and understand the overall game states and possibilities is much wider than both these two. The veterancy of Faker (and by extension his teammates as a 5 man squad) really helps leaps and bounds to counteract the strengths of the other two. When you see T1 play, they're the most precise team at understanding game states and committing to situations that could win the entire game for them. Both GenG and BLG would rather commit to objectives and the small incremental advantages to snowball into a guaranteed win. Whereas with T1, if they see an angle to end the game, they will take it far sooner than either of these two teams. What Chovy and Knight do better than Faker is be more individually consistent whether it's laning, mechanical plays, and having good fundamentals but league is far more than just individual stats and mechanics at the end of the day. Faker's experience just allows him to be more clutch overall.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

Not sure how it's knight story. Ran off to stacked BLG team. Didn't win MSI/EWC/Worlds. Maybe a story of failure?

[@BlackDeathBlade]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zg While that's true that Knight didn't win any internationals, he was a highlighted main character this year. T1 to me was the spanner in the works that threw the wretch in the Chovy vs Knight international rivalry that people wanted to see.

[@janverfaillie8943]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zg He won both LPL splits and made it to both international finals. He was 3 game wins away from golden roading this year (2 at MSI and 1 at worlds).

[@isslavik]

Knight already looking for the next LPL superteam he can join. Bro is KD without the rings.

[@theburden9920]

​@@isslavikIsnt chovy the same

[@lkm2458]

22worlds: DRX, 23worlds: T1, 24msi: GenG 24ewc: T1, 24worlds:T1

[@HamletKnight9956]

Bro.. where is this army of lunatic t1 fans everyone keeps talking about? I've followed this team from the duke top days but no one i interacted with ever comes up with the the stupid takes people keep mentioning to hate on t1. Faker was the best mid last two years? Who said that? Zeus doesn't get credit?? Really? T1 fans that i know love him. He is the win condition in most games. Oner on the other hand is the least appreciated although he is by far the best junger we got since i started watching. There might be a few people with these stupid takes but it feels like these people are just cherry picking at this point.

[@simone-fz9hl]

but how do you expect them to argue if they can't make up the arguments

[@smallpiper2]

I am a fan of T1 because i took a long break from League and when i came back to watch it, T1 and Faker were the only names I remembered from when i watched/played in 2013-14. They were the boogeyman back then, but now they are the team i know. Plus, there is something about seeing a team constantly finding a way to win when everything seems stacked against them that is appealing.

[@ZachTrue-o2q]

Same with me mate. Watched when I was 19-20 and came back almost a decade later and he’s the only one still there at the same level which is just a testament

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

The Virgin Esports Analyst knight/Chovy shill vs The Chad only-watches-Worlds Faker enjoyer

[@poleandrew8749]

2 weeks ago: 4 player except keria are so overrated and trashy. Now: Faker is a lucky guy who gets help from his teammates. They still don't know that the team mates who left Faker didn't win the world. plz help me talk some sense into this man. 😂👆

[@ThePolishViking]

I completly disagree with the statement that 1 v 1 games like StarCraft are infinitely harder and matters more. In RTS games the only unpredictable element is 1 opponent (if we are talking about 1 v 1 scenarios) and player's input changes only in order to adapt to enemy strategy, that's it. In League you have 9 other players except yourself and you have to adapt to any change that comes from the side of each and every of those 9 players. Even if 4 of them are your teammates, again, let's look at ON, people says he griefed which means your own teammate can grief you and you have to make the best out of it in order to win. Basically teammate can be both help and liability and you have 5 enemy players that want to take advantage of any potentional hick ups. On top of that in League you have skill that you can't have in StarCraft, leadership and Faker is probably the best example of that since you brought up that period of T1 with Poby. And even if Faker isn't the best player in the World individually, he is definitely one of the best team leaders out there. StarCraft game is placed in much more cohesive and controlled enviorment than League which makes up for the gap in difficulty lvl between those games in raw mechanics (which can be argued there is no gap at all). Also, I don't like this argument "oh if Faker engage's there but nobody follow, he's not winning that game". Sure, but let's flip the coin, if there is nobody else when Faker engages they way he did, he's winning without a question. Both teams have 5 players so saying something like that sounds really dumb.

[@Kyle-km7eg]

"Chovy is now the shotcaller" Wtf are we talking about? It's obviously lehends and canyon shotcalling.

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

chovy in voice comms is almost mute

[@kimberlydizon8752]

Lebron fans, Curry fans, Kobe fans, Jordan fans, Manny Pacquiao fans, Mayweather fans, Caitlyn Clark fans, Itachi fans, Sasuke fans, One Piece fans. See the pattern? Big names with big fan bases always has this issue

[@낙원-h6z]

So Faker proved it. Honestly, he's been proving it every year. Chovy, Knight always fall apart. Faker doesn't have to prove it anymore. Leave him alone. And T1 fans are spread all over the world. You already know that there are fans in every country. And there are too many. I know. I think it bothers Monte, but there's nothing you can do about it🤷‍♀️ If you do well and win a lot, the fans will follow.

[@voidox]

they love going on about replacing Guma with Ruler as an "upgrade" for T1, but Ruler was the one who failed to reach worlds this year and was unable to carry JDG last year despite being 3-0 on his fav champ Zeri.

[@metallicamadsam]

ruler GenG confirmed

[@the_woohoo]

thx thorin Your Voodoo curse made t1 win lol😂😂😂😂😂

[@cyder_6406]

It took 45 seconds to mention T1 fans...

[@baronlightyt965]

Its 38 secs 😂

[@nirvash241]

old man crying against youngster... oh my

[@m4ng4n]

Also crying about young T1 fans like they couldnt follow faker's early career from goddamn youtube videos... plus some of us (old ones) are from 2012 when gojeonpa was spotted

[@Trihard_From_France]

T1 fans are happy they are wolrd champions with the same KDA as rekkless 💀 T1 haters are salty they dont have any team sharing their trophee with em 💀 T1 drama farmers are makings videos .... 💀💀💀

[@LucasHadi]

These guys hate T1 fans because their toxicity while became toxic themselves talking about it. ironic.

[@newrudo]

They don't hide that. They're pretty honest and straightforward about it.

[@LucasHadi]

@newrudo yeah and it's exhausting to hear, i love this guys, i came here for their honest insight about the game, not seeing old man hating on certain fans, which doesnt even have anything to do with the outcome of the series.

[@semitemos1727]

i would not watch these guys had their content not contained T1

[@rahuldevalla4176]

Those 0.5% T1 stans live rent-free in these guys' heads 😂

[@wujekcyrus1757]

Yeah and send them death threats in dms, funny AF

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

@@wujekcyrus1757 when you rage bait, I think it's completely deserved

[@vghsfan]

Listen to thorin do league analysis is like listening to a gold player with the way he fumbles over even simple ideas

[@jasoncangy6535]

T1 Fan here - T1 was probably the 4th best team coming onto this tournament, - Yes we were shit all summer - Yes Faker was pretty bad to his standard the whole year - Yes BLG and GEN G were heavy favorite - No I did not expect them to be this good, but I did hope, as this team always gives me hope comes worlds - Yes it is even better that they elevate their level of play at the best time I cale to saw your takes not hearing how delusional I was, because I am not the one you are describing when you call out T1 fan, it doesnt matter if I should not feel concerned Im a T1 fan so I just dont like this. Just saying I feel the show would be better not having those T1 fan generalisation takes. Thank you for the new video.

[@WhatShouldIDo-e6y]

T1이 왜 4seed 였는진 현재 컨셉에서 나타난다. 구마유시는 전형적인 전통 원딜러들을 선호한다. 특히 라인전을 잘해 애쉬,바루스 같은 캐릭터들을 하면 압살한다. 케리아도 마찬가지.. 근데 이번 시는 빠르게 라인클리어하고, 압 라인이 단단한 그러면서 포탑 말리 밀수잇는 바텀에선 직스 같은 캐릭을 선호햇다. 구마유시도 직스를 했지만 그와 맞지 않은 캐릭이엿고 안좋은 성적은 낸거다. 월드 와서 잘한건 직스를 사용하지않고, 원래 t1의 서커스가 시작되었기 때문이다.

[@SuperAwesomeRoboSpy]

Writing this comment makes you a delusional T1 fan by definition

[@zzdahaewae]

Thank you Jason, you are officialy the first T1 fan I respect.

[@ajarofdirt3830]

@@SuperAwesomeRoboSpy Better to be delusional and right than be not delusional and wrong

[@nirvash241]

they won't get views if they don't do that then

[@skrattaoppar9753]

I hate the ON scapegoat when Elk overextending multiple times at game 4 and 5 costed BLG the Worlds Trophy. Basically there's so many reason that BLG lost you can summarize it that they were desperate at game 4 and 5 but putting every blame at ON is unjustified.

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

When did Elk overextend

[@skrattaoppar9753]

@leaguefixesyourmatches8259 game 4 as Ziggs in the sidelane, go 1v1d by Faker, game 4, got Flash engaged by Faker at mid and died in the wombo combo, game 5 he didn't wait for his front line at the last fight. Are you gonna glaze him cuz those are tempo costing overextension, if anything Elk made them lose the trophy

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

@@skrattaoppar9753 then why does everyone blame On including Uzi. I heard many commentaries including Chinese and they always blame On.

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

@@skrattaoppar9753 ziggs getting soloed by faker was one kill. Not sure how they escape the sylas flash wombo/combo at mid.

[@skrattaoppar9753]

@@leaguefixesyourmatches8259 it's easy to blame the support. Even you, you can't even blame Elk right now cuz there's a justification in your mind that Elk is free of criticism cuz ON also missed engages and dying randomly. I feel like you don't know T1 like everyone does, Elk dying at sidelane gave T1 so much control at the map. Yes it was 1 death but T1 took it miles in terms of lead and control. BLG would've won if they slowly farmed away but Elk has no business dying in the sidelane when Ziggs and Smolder relies on having map control to scale hard.

[@witt1lol]

I hope people will stop using Faker for views! After you guys talk shit about him, you have the audacity to even talk about him. You even said that he is a candidate for the dade awards! You even use Faker's name and joke about the calamity that happened in Spain where people died.

[@Paddycakes1337]

0:36 already hating on T1 fans

[@jedanim9536]

They make good points. Saying t1 was excellent all along when they had struggles is an insult to the team. Like not acknowledging the journey deft took to winning worlds and just saying he's the best adc

[@abouttime2569]

@@jedanim9536 What these two guys and some other people like IWD do. They always go back to the minority of T1 fans and act like most of the T1 fans act in a certain way. It is literally rent free moment.

[@jedanim9536]

@@abouttime2569 in that I agree...it's either very narrow minded of them, or they've become such slaves to their agendas that they can't see any different. But barring that, they make fair points sometimes

[@abouttime2569]

@@jedanim9536 Yea ''sometimes'' is the problem. It should be ''most of the time''. That is the basic standard. It is pretty much like LS. LS is all about ''sometimes'' right or have a legit point.

[@mauricewalmsley7035]

New PB for this content - insulting lunatic T1 fans in Thorin's *first* sentence. Congrats. JDG were favourites last year, not T1. Monte is wrong about T1 looking bad early tournament. They were winning vs TES in their very first game, until Aurora did Aurora things. Aurora then became "must ban" for everyone. The next game T1 lost was vs GenG in the semis, thanks to Kindred/Braum picks. T1 had just won 8 games in a row, with a match score of 8-1. How is that looking bad? How is losing a match to GenG looking bad?

[@iamkailong]

Yes, Faker is the goat of all esport, period. He is the most well known, most influential, and has dominated the biggest esport title in the world for over a decade. If that’s not the greatest I don’t know what is. Honestly Riot should be glad that they got Faker playing the game. He is the goat that every sport would like to have. Always love the sport/game, give the game his most, and has some of the best personality you can hope for as a positive image for the sport. Faker, he really has it all.

[@llamus8432]

have you ever watched a single game of starcraft?

[@hagenlala6409]

Flash doesn't even deign to laugh at puny humans like Faker.

[@iamkailong]

@@llamus8432 Some, not much. And that’s the point. There are simply more people that watch and play league than any other esports.

[@llamus8432]

@@iamkailong i've never watched it, but i think basing it on popularity is not the best. is drake the best musician because he gets the most streams?

[@skarm7780]

@@hagenlala6409Faker has surpassed flash, if South Korea doesn’t remember flash or talk about him then Faker has surpassed and actually in a much harder game where it’s a team game and you have to suck it up and hope your teammates are good not in a 1v1 like flash

[@CSRT123]

Bro less than 1 minute into the podcast and they're already choking on T1 fans's chodes. Some people just never learn and you can't teach old dogs new tricks. The level of immaturity it takes to continue acting like children and bitching about random fanbases is considerable. You're not getting younger guys. Maybe it's time to learn how to act grown up.

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

Thanks for letting us all know that, checks notes, a gaming and entertainment podcast is meant to be the pinnacle of buttoned up professional maturity 😂

[@BucsFanO22]

The irony is astounding 😂

[@chomosuke0720]

​@@PlastikGUbilationz if being entertaining means being insufferable to you, then you are beyond help

[@myq723]

​@@chomosuke0720 You call it insufferable, I call it funny. That's why I'm happier than you.

[@satominami6599]

stop the hate to those casual T1 fans, tbh it's better not to mention them, yeah they were annoying but we cant deny the fact that those fans are part of the reason why Worlds 2024 viewerships keep increasin every year. they maybe dont watch any region splits and most of them prolly dont even play the league anymore but atleast... they were loyal enough to comeback every world just to support T1.

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

Translation = waaah waaah I am offended

[@evenjesuscantsaveyouanymor6163]

​@@PlastikGUbilationz Accepting that casuals are not informed and taking their takes with a mountain or two of salt. I would call that intelligent, if your end gole is growth and sustainability of the competitive scene. Shitting on them isn't the way but ignoring them is imo.

[@AnythingYouTube.]

@@PlastikGUbilationztranslation = wah wah i am salty cause my team got beaten by T1

[@nirvash241]

@@PlastikGUbilationz oh wow real mature... then blame the fans if they started attacking him lmao

[@ula17404]

thorin is in his bubble too much. I used to like watching you but, half of the content is just hating on imaginary skt/tsm/na fans. We get it, you're smarter than casuals from social media, but it swallowed his whole identity.

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

Damn who's holding you at gunpoint and having your eyelids forced open clockwork fkn orange style to watch this? 😂

[@MH_Ward]

Lmao retard alert

[@lanh.7573]

Honestly I'm quite sick every time he talks fast, his head is nodding like he's in a trance. Don't even know who he is and won't waste time finding out.

[@hyogeunkim-r7u]

That's right, Thorin thinks he is the righteousness of the content he hates and talks about it, but if you hide the names and list them as text, there is no difference in the end between Thorin and Reddit's malicious posts. Thorin used to say that one player shouldn't be treated like replacing parts for another player, but now he says that if the players were changed, the winner would have changed. Thorin now looks like a mentally ill patient.

[@TerranViceGrip]

You realize you’re just proving his point ?

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

imagine picking fights with casual fans because you can't come up with arguments against more hardcore fans. obviously t1 has the most toxic fans, they have the biggest fanbase by a mile. Every team has toxic fanbase but it's all proportionate to how big fanbase. when it comes to "takes" these 2 just say a bunch of random nonsense they read and hope it sticks, a broken block is correct twice a day.

[@metallicamadsam]

Faker absolute standout in that series. Keria though, is just something else, the small things he does more than any other support. Yes not his best series, but he changed the entire meta 2023. HE is the GOAT in my eyes

[@RumandCocaine]

Dam you guys are popping with the views ✌️

[@ShawnBlaque]

Who's this Faker guy? I think Rookie is the GOAT! LOL best take ever

[@go49ers28]

Oner is so underrated imo

[@swingyouth2749]

Thorin was hilarious this episode with his "oh God, no" observations, avtually had me laughing out loud, great energy today

[@RainNT]

lol saying faker cant win with other top laners are crazy. Kiin bin? 369 even. The perks of faker is how he mind control his team. Faker has innate talent to shot all his team to victory, creative angle, high risk but high reward decisions that only he seems to make. Hai on c9 used to be like that, but faker has that skill + the mechanics. Yes chovy and knight are better mechanically in some ways, but faker is up there when he’s in top shape AND the extreme decision making from his unique way to see winning angles and force his team to come with him. Any player with faker gets a level up, so saying bin kiin and 369 or even Kingen won’t get a level up playing with Faker is crazy. And imagine building a super team of the top 3 players in each role on your team on GenG and still can’t win? When you build a super Chinese team top 3 top 5 players in each role and can’t beat them. Now you want ruler on chovy team too? Like how many “one of greats” players do you need before you realized chovy and knight aren’t as good because they don’t have the macro and decision making that faker has, not mechanical skill, BUT JUST BASED ON DECISION MAKING AND CLUTCHNESS

[@kayoom9613]

Faker ensures that his team executes their gameplan while adapting to the gamestate. If things are going wrong, he is willing to take the risk to swing the game in favour of his team. Game 4 was the perfect example of him bringing it home when his team needed him most.

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

Faker has even carried fucking Huni to a Worlds final

[@Creek1575]

Faker is not the best player anymore especially in consistency, but what makes me admire this man is he strives hard even in his current form and you can just feel that he can do something that would make you admire him time & time again. It's like me being a fn of Curry coz you just know he'll do an ageless performance.

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

"Not the best player anymore," okay then who is???

[@Creek1575]

@MicrocosmicExperience I'm talking about consistency. Zeus or Keria has even better overall performance this year. What I'm saying is Faker has that factor that when he shows up, he's undoubtedly the best player in the world. The problem now is he's not consistent like he was years ago and that's okay.

[@JackODonoghue-n4b]

@@MicrocosmicExperienceHe’s the greatest of all time, not the best over the course of a year. He may be the best at this moment, but so was Kingen in 2022.

[@JackODonoghue-n4b]

And it’s Bin.

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

@@Creek1575 He's literally the most consistent player of all time. He's been playing since 2013 and he's always been a Worlds contender. No one else even comes close.

[@ninjaonebearz9599]

All games leading up to worlds is like a marathon race. You can be ahead in the earlier laps, but It is crossing the final line that matters. T1 kept pace just enough to the last lap, and made the sprint through the finishing line first. Other top teams GenG, BLG sprinted early, took the lead early in the race, but ran out of stamina at the end.

[@이게이-igei123]

At this year's Worlds, Faker played outstandingly in all tournaments, outmaneuvered Chovy and beat Knight to be named FMVP. However, Monte and Thorin still say that Chovy and Knight are the best in the world. Is there a problem with the frontal lobe?😅

[@Aiotenn]

Faker is the GOAT of esport because he's the GOAT (by an abnormally huge margin) of the most played esport game of all time. I also don’t get the argument of "it’s harder for Flash because it’s not a team game, you can’t get carry" You also have no one to carry and no one that can f everything up. This team was literally iron V without him, raw mechanics are not all there is to judge a player in LoL.

[@shindoxxx]

I guess all you play is team games. In a 1v1 game you have no relaxing moment, there is no one to fix your mistake or give you an opportunity, and in a game like Starcraft: BW there is constant pressure. Players had 300+ APM, go watch some broodwar video record of Flash, you can't compare the difficulty and the pressure of the game to league of legends. LoL is probably is the easiest game I've ever played on that aspect, you have a lot of relaxing moments during the game. LoL is mostly about the teamplay and making the right call, mechanical part of the game is not very hard. Let me give you an example. In the last game of the semi-finals vs geng, Faker was playing ahri and he instantly died when poppy engaged on him, but his team won the fight and they won the game like that. He didn't do anything useful that fight.

[@jack90054]

Also, Starcraft is an extremely localized game. Pretty much only Koreans (and some other Asians) play the game really seriously. League, while still very much Korean-dominated, is def much more global.

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

I think you could argue both sides if we're talking about solo and team games but one thing is for certain, league is has higher playerbase with a hyper invested esports, simply making it more competitive.

[@icefever13]

having the players do high fives with all the fans in the semis stadium is also a mistake I think. You really never know if some random rogue fan will try to fuck up a players hands or even by accident tbh

[@mrjadelee]

i would pay good money for a 'good vibes only' episode

[@scotthoover468]

People criminally underrate Oner especially at Worlds. He’s been monsterous at every Worlds he’s been to. Also, have no idea why the take away is Bin was the shit in this series. He got baited into taking Jax in game 5, got outplayed for almost the entire game, and then cost his whole team the game with that TP. I think it’s time to stop talking about T1 fans as well

[@iamkailong]

@@scotthoover468 If you want to nitpick, every players would look like a fool. Bin is simply the 2nd best individual performer in this final. BLG didn’t lose because of him. BLG lose because as a team they can only play one style. Even tho they draft gapped t1 4 games in a roll, they somehow let t1 survive til g5 due to not knowing how to play a smolder comp. In g5 T1 know exactly what blg can play and countered the whole blg comp.

[@elizabethmurigi1131]

Oner disrespect makes me lose my mind because he's consistently good. And his synergy with Faker is overlooked. They back each other when making those crazy plays, which only shows how much they trust each other.

[@SpoonsOfApe]

Bin played Jax into a comp essentially made to counter Jax and still almost singlehandedly won the game-winning teamfight. The TP play is a team call.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

Bin was shit in the sense that they spent the entire series stopping Zeus and he still got out performed. Hopefully Bin can start playing tanks. Maybe year 6 we see Bin play a tank at worlds.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@iamkailong T1 won 3 drafts and those were the games they won.

[@Fang0rr]

Speaking of fan incidents, unrelated but I saw Rammstein in Nottingham back in like early 2010s, they had a stage in the middle of the crowd, the main stage and a bridge between, and a group in the crowd helped a guy up on to the bridge and within about 10-15 seconds a security guard had speared him off that bridge lol

[@fults18]

I heard monte say quintessence and I had a flashback to season 2 runes.

[@BlackDeathBlade]

As far as finals goes, to me it felt like Top and Bot were less relevant as the series went by. I think Guma played probably his worst series at worlds this whole finals, while Elk was solid first half but was mostly irrelevant in the 2nd half. As much as Bin was important, he and Zeus were kinda roughly even with maybe Zeus being a bit better on average but it wasn't really about them either. Biggest difference was support but overall I would say the most relevant roles were the mid jungle. Knight had a fantastic series and Xun was great as well, but Oner being rock solid and Faker being more clutch ultimately decided the series. I was kinda leaning towards a BLG win for the Chinese morale, but the T1 win was a bit too good it seems. It is delusional to say that T1 were the best team of the year, but defending their worlds title despite how bad summer was for them basically immortalized the roster as far as great teams are concerned.

[@johnkirk1772]

they were the best team of the year, there, I said it...they just didn't play like the best team all year - when a team makes worlds finals 3 years in a row and beats the best teams consistently every year, then they are probably the best team in the world, just that during regular season they don't play like it..but their peak is just higher, they weren't the best all year long but certainly the best team of the year 5 years from now people will talk about JDG/GenG/BLG like they do about ROX, old KT and maybe Samsung blue..good teams in their time but not as good as SKT..

[@BlackDeathBlade]

@@johnkirk1772 I think T1 have planted their stamp as one of the best rosters of all time. The semantics of best team of the year is simply just different. It's not that it's necessary to be the "best team of the year" from a statistical standpoint to qualify as an all time "best". But when you look at results and average performance levels, BLG and GenG were higher this year. When you look at it this way, T1 traded "best team of the year" to attain immortal status which is honestly way cooler than just being a simple yearly good team.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@BlackDeathBlade Also don't think I have ever heard anyone make this argument beside the boomer clowns Monte and Thorin. No one in the NBA fandom/media/analyst says well the 73-9 warriors lost.. but they are still the best team of the year guys!

[@mauricewalmsley7035]

Just wondering... if you were picking a lol team, today, to save the world in a best of 1 vs alien overlords.. who are you picking in the mid lane? If your answer is Faker, then you have to say he's the best midlaner in the world *right now*.

[@nagatoakira7962]

They all talking about the what ifs in game 5, what if bin didnt tp, what if knight didnt chase too quickly...and said blg could won that game. the biggest what if should be guma's misplay when he got j4 ulted and panic r flash. He can just flash or even stand still and aa whoever dare to walk close to him. J4 no eq, rell was marked by oner, jax was marked by zeus, the only cc was ahri's e and guma has cleanse. Without the misplay blg had no chance to win against a fat xayah even in 5v4 without faker.

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

talking a bout what ifs is just stupid and it's always the sames people in the league space talking about what ifs. if my grandmother had wheels she would've been a bike

[@owenhollow8247]

I'm surprised that the team that won Worlds 2024 by "accident", the team whose 2024 was a "complete failure", the team that got "lucky" was ranked 3rd amongst the best teams of 2024.

[@LucasHadi]

Im waited this video for almost a week to get some insight, review of the game and all i got is T1 fans discussion 30 seconds in

[@Plumpycrabmeat]

No matter what you clowns say, Faker is undisputed GOAT of this game😂

[@jovanpaunovic2785]

Is there any news on Power Spike? Are we getting one or are they salty

[@jamesartemio1312]

They’re still malding deep inside.

[@Raidizzy]

Dom Is on vacation and they're waiting for him to come back

[@Komeru_]

Is this video full of them saying that Worlds doesn't matter and that Faker is still washed even though he won finals MVP?

[@DoctorNerf]

After not watching Thorin for 8 years its nice to see he's still exactly the same.

[@ajmDRUM]

T1 fan. Birthday 1987. Yay! I win?

[@TimothyDFA1]

Pyosik doing the aphelios dance while managing LPL finances just to troll thorin monte and dom rn

[@DiscoNick]

Just a quick point about the security at LoL events. I was at worlds and there was a small retractable barrier (like the ones that help you queue for airport security) between the crowd and the players. The two security guards looking after the barrier in the floor (section A) were sat down eating and were not paying attention. This was even worse during LEC finals where there was no barrier between the players (in fact the players walked through the crowd to get on stage in that shitty intro). I'm always amazed at how easy it would be to invade the stage, and there is no way it would be like that in any other sport. I agree and I am happy that we as league fans have a reputation of not being dangerous or violent, but all it takes is one mentally ill person (maybe someone who isn't even an esports fan, just happens to pick this event)

[@nickmajora]

So the 5 current players on T1 are the undisputed best lol international roster of all-time? 1st places - Worlds 2024, EWC 2024, Worlds 2023: 2nd places - Worlds 2022, MSI 2022: 3rd places - MSI 2024, MSI 2023.

[@milkman2266]

Loved the conversation about Flash, I had no idea how special he really was. I'm always interested when you guys talk SC esports history because I never watched it, I was too young at the time, like 14 or so and just didn't know about it, and I'm sorry to say I'm just NOT going to go back and watch it now in 2024 lmao

[@nathanhosea489]

FlaSh is probably still the GOAT eSports player. Faker is super close though

[@myq723]

And that's not including the rest of flash's career. The year he was in the final of 6 starleagues and won 4 of them was right after winning the prior year's last starleague. 7 starleague finals in a row and won 5. The ASL season they had to rig the map pool against terran, only TWO terrans got to the ro16. His ro8 match was against the player with the best protoss vs terran in the history of the game, on a rigged map pool, and he still almost won the series; only losing on the decider map. These are only 2 small chunks of his career. Children that say faker > flash need medicine

[@chengong388]

Fake only transforms into SSJ3 for the final battle, he doesn't need to transform to play the mobs of regular season.

[@mrfoodfrostfiend4100]

I'd take Lehends, Keria or BeryL on BRO easily because they have that BIG BRO energy to spice up the roster. Throw Pyosik in there and we are cooking up some bangers for next year.

[@Dermi_Sky]

the "problem" with Keria and maybe Lehends is: they need room for their playstyle. we saw how "bad" Keria is on Braum, a champion without any mechanic skill impression. then he picks something like Renata, Bard, even Pyke or any ADC in the game and he destroys a whole team. But he can only do this because of Gumayusi. Gumayusi is a weakside monster, he just dont die even he is all game alone, but if you give him strongside, he will carry the game for you. i doubt Pyosik, Deft, Uzi or Ruler can play like this. They cant play Cho, Sion or any ADC weakside. they are carry-adcs

[@theunwanted37]

Saying it's harder to win 1v1 than 5v5 goes against what I typically hear. People talk about Brady vs Jordan a bunch and people say winning in the NBA is much easier because you're 20% of the team compared to like 4% in the NFL. Or how it's much easier to dominate in Golf or Tennis because it's just you and you don't rely on anyone.

[@hoidaav78]

Clown monte says Zeus is not the top goat but Kiin is ? who even takes their opininion seriously lmao

[@AnythingYouTube.]

top goat kiin has super team but still can’t win it

[@daughtermedicine123]

kiin is soooooo overrated, doran version 2 LMAO

[@JUNGLEsausage]

He said he prefers Kiin because he is more well-rounded. Are you incapable of understanding basic English?

[@joey9424]

You said it. He's a clown

[@kayoom9613]

Kiin is a well-respected player but individually he is not better than Zeus. I would even put Doran above both of them depending on the day but obviously he ran it down in quarters. Zeus definitely has the highest peaks amongst the three. Zeus is also a essential win condition for T1.

[@Yxar]

Do I have to say Faker was 2024th best player of the year now?

[@paulundso8258]

i know i´m late but regarding the faker vs flash debate. i felt like it was missing the solo vs team esports aspect.

[@technicalleon]

I'm a T1 fan but I'm also a long-time viewer of SI. Don't appreciate the jabs but I think most of your points are fair. I think GenG was definitely the better team this year. I'm sure T1 was trying to win it all, but it just wasn't T1's meta for most of the year and they were having issues, from the DDoS stuff to Faker's health issues. However, they were able to peak at the right time and they won Worlds for that. Pretty similar to DRX's Worlds run in 2022. Also, as a fan, I don't think there's anything wrong with having faith in your team. Sure, it can lead to some delusional takes, but isn't the point of a fanbase to support the team, whether they're winning or not? As a T1 fan, I have a lot of respect for GenG & BLG and I know they were more likely to win over T1, but I still rooted for T1 because they're my favorite team and I believed it was high time for T1 to beat GenG, and they did. Then, they clutched up and won against BLG. Honestly, I had no expectations but I still had my prayers answered. It's quite literally an example of the faithful being rewarded. So, yes, I'm very happy that they won the championship and, as a fan, I consider them the best team in the world for their clutchness this Worlds alone, even though I know full well they were not the best for most of the year.

[@SaraGon15]

so is delusional to cheer for your team , but is not for someone who cant even sniff the finals? i mean those 2 Monte and Thorin are as toxic as those fans they claim not counting the takes they have are even more delusional than those fans again they claim are deranged.

[@jedanim9536]

Very based take bro.

[@jedanim9536]

​​@@SaraGon15...what are you talking about? You are taking a lot out of context and not making sense over all. Not delusional to cheer someone who doesn't sniff finals? What are u trying to say?

[@crXssfire_]

@@jedanim9536he’s saying “how is it delusional to cheer for an “””inferior””” (T1) team when the teams and players monte + thorin champion haven’t even got a sniff of winning worlds”. Jdg, blg, geng, etc. these guys hate on t1 all year every year and have to eat a shoe when they win and the guys they hype up all year lose.

[@jedanim9536]

@crXssfire_ alright that's more coherent. They hype those teams cos domestically they were more dominant. Makes sense to believe they would perform at worlds.

[@1RubberDucky]

There is a sport that does allow active players in the HOF. LPGA uses a point system so players are inducted mid career. Lydia Ko just became hall of fame inductee at the age of 27.

[@TKMotoRolA_RazR]

literally who?

[@Dermi_Sky]

in golf btw too. Tiger Woods was in the HOF before he retired

[@darkhime7005]

Saying without zeus T1 can't win is such a clown take though. You said it earlier that without faker they looked like chickens then proceeds to contradict that. There are a lot of top laners that can go even with zeus, exchange zeus with bin and they are still strong.

[@jung-wv4mq]

I can't do a four-set Faker play chovy

[@deuxexmachimax]

The fan getting close to Faker and T1 on stage needs to be discussed more. It needs to be highlighted more. I completely agree with these guys on that point. There is a timeline that Faker gets killed because Riot security is absolute GARBAGE. SECURITY NEEDS TO BE BETTER!!

[@Mr-fe5ng]

I was that fan xd

[@poetrollem326]

Flash was probably greater mechanically, but imo team sports are harder when you are in a carry role. Technically greatest vs greatest achievement to me.

[@jimmyjames634]

This channel and Faker is like J. Jonah Jameson and Spider Man

[@xxjep0yxx]

Hi T1 fan here. I'm sorry if some of your experience with some t1 fans have been bad but please don't generalize us. I've been a viewer maybe not that much of Summoning Insight but of Monte. I was there on the train with you when you where still with riot saying "Choo Choo All aboard the t1 hype train". You know as a T1 fan yourself that not all of us are delusional or toxic. This might be my first time writing a comment here I just hope you guys read this and realize that some t1 fans spread positivity😊

[@Tlcampbelljr1]

Can confirm, the Weed wacker nose hair trimmer is incredible.

[@evandillon5339]

I don’t really agree with Monte’s initial analysis of game 5 around 27:00. What he’s saying about the comps is reasonable in a vacuum if you’re looking at it without watching the game. Blg were totally fine scaling and letting Jax get to a point where t1 and their low damage comp would not be able to deal with him. It was 3-3 in kills until the pivotal dragon fight and that was really the only real team fight of the game. The question of ‘how does blg actually get onto the xayah’ is moot because in the 1 real showing blg do it perfectly by blowing her ult and flash with j4 ult and then bin gets onto her and kills her. Blg(mainly knight) then make mistakes to lose that won fight. Name plates off it was an even draft and with nameplates on I think you’d give advantage to blg. T1 and faker just made the clutch plays to win.

[@metallicamadsam]

T1s draft in game 5 was superiour, but only in a high level ease of execution sense. BLG didnt have many options if the game was even, which it was. Poppy negates there ability to set up, gragas negates jax especiallyif its Zeus. And then mid is even as both can play either side of that match up well. Came down to individual outplays in the end. But the game 5 draft was very good for T1 and then executed really well

[@karlbastos2800]

I think faker realized that he had many years left, so instead of trying to complete the golden road, he was gonna focus on stacking the only trophy that matters and ignore everything else

[@Dracoo123789]

Thorin really played his haters and they didn't even know it.

[@trialblazer509]

"steal champion that could have gone to chovy and knight"

[@zackrasphodos.2305]

T1 Is genuinely the only team that shouldn’t follow the meta at all. They should play their own picks, as even if those champions aren’t better than the enemies champions. The amount of synergy overall knowledge that they have for those champions and those comps, can equalize it sometimes. Yes in some meta’s it’s actually dking impossible to do this. Best example is the double adc + mage jungle meta that actually made GENG invincible, since it’s a comp that gives maximum stall and will allow any team to just deny these clutch moments just by the nature of their champs. This is why T1 struggles so hard against GENG. T1 is the most clutch team in league history. But that doesn’t make them the best since GENG’s playstyle and meta just outright removes the enemies ability to be clutch, allowing them to be the T1 kryptonite. I’m very sure that they wanted to play with their meta. But it was just impossible considering how good smoulder mid/adc mids are. Because there just comes a certain point where you just cannot punish those champs unless they Uber int, which chovy and geng just doesn’t do.

[@theanonymouschicken169]

2:13:41 anyone got the clip of that?

[@yassirelhidani6803]

we talking here mostly about faker , and we forgot keria and how insane this guy is , the best support since prime madlife

[@MRkriegs]

Mata

[@TriDevious]

a fan invaded stage with t1. I thought they were talking going to talk about Rekless lol

[@dracounbound]

0:46 As a 33 year old I feel targeted about my Dino Nuggets.

[@mauricewalmsley7035]

I'd love to hear some analysis on "do other teams play WORSE at Worlds, due to its pressures?". We know T1 plays better each Worlds, but I do think other teams struggle to find peak performance.

[@Raidizzy]

@@mauricewalmsley7035it's more noticeable in younger teams and teams with players who have a history of being stuck at a certain hurdle or teams user to losing in general. Like I'm sure Doublelift had a hand on his team's mentality at worlds with his own personal curse, even if he didn't play bad individually. Kiin as well. Deft definitely did until he finally broke that curse. Chovy might be exactly where Deft was right now.

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

They've talked about this when they did their really long video about GOATs for each lane. Deft and Dade come up quite a bit when it comes to choking at Worlds, because they were always insanely good domestically.

[@joelkaeber]

@Th0rin Chovy is like Device, without the accolades ofc.

[@eddyirons]

so nice that these Faker haters got proven wrong once more :)

[@ericwang865]

Reasonable people can never deny he is the goat and was awesome to see them perform at worlds, but what a dumb fucking comment considering all they have lost the past few years. They don't grand slam all the time. They haven't won LCK since 2022, haven't won MSI together, and lost world finals 2022. "Three finals in 3 years and winning 2? XD hater" Faker is a beast and the team is definitely top of the conversation for most people for being the best team ever in league. But don't act like they had any reason to win, or that they would win all along given their shortcomings

[@Raidizzy]

Are the faker haters in the room rn? No one hates faker or ever hated faker. They hated the fake narratives people made about him!!!!

[@nikhileshwar9673]

​@@RaidizzyThorin does seem to hate faker in a sense like he's sometimes overrated and all but comes up making excuses when it's about simple. Like he doesn't have same tone yfor Zywoo like he does for Chovy he's like Zywoo gotta be making the winning play y won't u do if ur that good u shd be able to and all but here see how diff he conveys similar msg but in a more subtle way. In a sense u can see he wants simple to remain as the top guy but not for faker and vice versa with zywoo and Chovy. It's not abt whether it's good or bad there is an inherent bias which u can acknowledge.

[@bigboi4404]

@@Raidizzy They are literally on the show lmao. They bend over backwards to downplay any of his accomplishments, while only making some concessions, so they don't seem too biased (though they suck at hiding their bias lol) - now that we flame them back for it they and people like you want to cry "foul" ? get the fk out of here lmao. The game of toxicity goes both ways - they wanna be toxic? Fine, but so can we - fair is fair - remember, that this is what they wanted - don't cry foul now. I agree, that it's a silly game, but if they want to play it, so be it. Also, their narratives were just as fake - hyping up LPL players like there is no tomorrow - when in reality, LPL just looks good, because they play hyper-aggressive, which is fun to watch, but i would never call it the smart way to play the game. Many people watch podcasts like this for entertainment in the background - not because their analysis is good. Well, monte can be good, but he gave up on sticking to his guns, because he is surrounded by mega-faker haters/downplayers and LPL-vegans , he has no choice but to kind of give in to them, because they're his friends. Funny thing is, i actually never cared about T1 as a whole, because i always thought that all the t1/skt-iterations have a clear common denominator in faker, that is - on average - the main reason for them winning. Don't get me wrong - i really like this roster, i also liked old rosters - but i also like other players and rosters from other teams - they are on the same level to me, when it comes to enjoyment to watch, but when the best player of all time comes to mind, i clearly have only one answer and i think it's disingenuous to not admit to that or downplay his value, even when they aren't winning. It's astonishing, that he has this kind of level of gameplay in himself still. This is possibly chovy's and knight's peak and faker being at less than 100% still can make them look like toddlers lmao. It's possible, that no one will ever be as good as prime-faker, but losing to a weakened faker even? My god, that's humiliating lol. The best these players can hope for is beating a below-peak-faker, which is still impressive, but it's definitely not goat-material, like they suggested, when talking about the goat-team being LGD last year lmao. Their arguments in favour of LGD felt so forced, jesus christ.

[@bigboi4404]

@@Raidizzy They are literally on the show lmao. They bend over backwards to downplay any of his accomplishments, while only making some concessions, so they don't seem too biased (though they suck at hiding their bias lol) - now that we flame them back for it they and people like you want to cry "foul" ? get the fk out of here lmao. The game of toxicity goes both ways - they wanna be toxic? Fine, but so can we - fair is fair - remember, that this is what they wanted - don't cry foul now. I agree, that it's a silly game, but if they want to play it, so be it. Also, their narratives were just as fake - hyping up LPL players like there is no tomorrow - when in reality, LPL just looks good, because they play hyper-aggressive, which is fun to watch, but i would never call it the smart way to play the game. Many people watch podcasts like this for entertainment in the background - not because their analysis is good. Well, monte can be good, but he gave up on sticking to his guns, because he is surrounded by mega-faker haters/downplayers and LPL-vegans , he has no choice but to kind of give in to them, because they're his friends. Funny thing is, i actually never cared about T1 as a whole, because i always thought that all the t1/skt-iterations have a clear common denominator in faker, that is - on average - the main reason for them winning. Don't get me wrong - i really like this roster, i also liked old rosters - but i also like other players and rosters from other teams - they are on the same level to me, when it comes to enjoyment to watch, but when the best player of all time comes to mind, i clearly have only one answer and i think it's disingenuous to not admit to that or downplay his value, even when they aren't winning. It's astonishing, that he has this kind of level of gameplay in himself still. This is possibly chovy's and knight's peak and faker being at less than 100% still can make them look like toddlers lmao. It's possible, that no one will ever be as good as prime-faker, but losing to a weakened faker even? My god, that's humiliating lol. The best these players can hope for is beating a below-peak-faker, which is still impressive, but it's definitely not goat-material, like they suggested, when talking about the goat-team being LGD last year lmao. Their arguments in favour of LGD felt so forced, jesus christ.

[@Pyr0Amos]

If you want to compare it to NFL, just say Faker is Joe Montana & Chovy is Dan Marino.