MTG Commander Gameplay Cassius Marsh vs Joe Manganiello vs Gabriel Luna vs BlacknetoTTJ Ep 45

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Cassius Marsh ‪@CashCardsUnlimited‬
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Gabriel Luna
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Sorry for the lack of deck lists for this episode but to be fair these gentlemen are extremely busy and I thank them for their time to hang out on the show period!

[@evanperkins3467]

what an awesome pod of people! at 18:39 Cassius uses Mental Misstep on Flusterstorm. That only counters the flusterstorm itself, but not the storm trigger. Storm is a cast trigger, and flusterstorm has been cast. there is still allllllll the copies of flusterstorm that Joe M controls. fierce wouldve been countered and LED would resolve...

[@edgarnevarez1605]

Immediately the comment I searched for.

[@teejayaaron]

this is true.

[@g4greed502]

this made me want to scream

[@badgerlord13]

Yep! Storm is op. Also when will Cassius ever show the key cards he's using from his infinite mana combo. You should still be able to articulate and pull out the key cards to illustrate your win to completion.

[@hodlsage8968]

Yep, I was here looking for the same comment. Cash had no mana, and there were two spells cast before Flusterstorm, so the storm count would have = 3. However, Joe also played it wrong and did not pick his targets for the copies.

[@NinjaRaiden56]

Biggest take away this session is that Gabriel seems like a genuinely likable, really nice guy

[@jeffreysmall1087]

He really does.

[@BoucherRaphael]

Yeah best dude at the table lol

[@OurWorld.WithFriends]

The idea of playing DND with Joe Manganiello is incredible.

[@tash1201]

He has great energy and attitude, I agree, besides being an wealth of experience. Though getting magiced on wouldn't hurt either.

[@markdziamski4859]

💯

[@joshshin6819]

He's better to play with than Vin Diesel. Joe comes to the game sober usually and isn't nearly as annoying ❤

[@MetaLibanez1]

Cassius' deck is so overtuned compared to the other players. Maybe Joe's deck is up there but Gabriel is out here cracking a terramorphic expanse for a basic forest and playing an island for turn. Cassius is hitting a grim monolith into a jeweled lotus and playing teferi untapping and taking an extra turn ON TURN 2. Bro. Bring a more equally powered deck to actually make the game fun for your friends.

[@bradgill2009]

i fully agree with you

[@seangavrilles52]

love how they talk about turn 5-7, then cassius is immediatly like yeahh idk about that this deck won a tournament. like what is the point of the conversation if ur just gonna ignore it.

[@williammaykel138]

Totally agreed. I was hoping to see the other decks pop off too

[@d4rksolitude]

THIS! This part. Dude said “nice turn 0 talk. Anyways, I’m playing cedh monoblue and I’m trying to beat a record on how fast I can win.”

[@adoo765]

As aways the best card on cassius deck is the credit one

[@Larkinzzz]

I'd like to see Cassius play a $25 budget deck 😂

[@GOOMBAHx]

I respect Luna for always playing normal decks at a high level table

[@Shydoshi17]

Definitely respect your point on that one, but it would be hilarious to see Gabe come out one episode and obliterate the table with a crazy storm deck or something!

[@nelsikegaming]

Joe Manganiello has big bro energy man I'd love to play MTG or D&D with him

[@snuggiethegoblin7101]

Looking at Joe's jacket; I can hear that old school Xmen arcade music in my head!

[@coffinspire9430]

Watch Cassius play is hilarious because he has the cards, he has the internet to look up a cedh deck, he brings it to a table thats not even close to power level. Then Spends half the episode searching off a turn 2 tutor, then misplays a flusterstorm counter, then really has no idea how his combo works. The fact the host of show said something and still didn’t catch the fluster storm is crazy.

[@deadtv2712]

Sorry Blackneto, love Joe, Love Gabriel but damn Cassius just doesnt play the same levels haha. Wish I could see Joe and Gabriel (and your board) develop a bit more and see better interactions.

[@jlyxxy8]

Cash did a really bad job of explaining the Teferi-Chain Veil combo. Since Teferi's untap ability is a minus, Teferi will eventually die. Cash needs to generate enough mana to recast Teferi when this happens. Additionally, when Teferi is recast, all of the Chain Veil activations still apply to the 'new instance' of Teferi. He can use those additional activations to draw cards with Teferi's plus ability.

[@braingasm1348]

Nah he said he does the plus so it doesn't. That's how he draws

[@jlyxxy8]

He can't continue the loop if he ever does the plus on his original Teferi. He needs to do the minus in order to untap the Chain Veil so that he can continue to activate the Teferi. 1 Chain Veil activation = 1 Teferi activation, so if he ever uses the plus on the original Teferi, he won't have the capability to untap the Chain Veil and continue the combo. He needs the additional activations on a recast Teferi to ever activate the plus ability.

[@michaelchavis9770]

@@jlyxxy8 He had voltaic key to be able to untap the Chain Veil.

[@ltmaid]

@@michaelchavis9770 key taps to untap, it's net zero in this loop. It also costs mana so even using it to untap vault doesn't improve the situation. He can untap the veil one time sure so he can plus one time extra but it's not necessary. He does have the combo but it was explained poorly. He has to net mana with the veil + teferi, minus until Teferi leaves, and it has to be enough mana to recast him including enough left over to pay for the commander tax. Every minus untaps veil, vault, crypt, and either island or sol ring. so (7 colourless), or (5 colourless + 1 Blue) minus 4 for the veil. If you can recast teferi once, you can loop forever since the new teferi can activate more times since chain veil adds activations for new planeswalkers counting every time the veil was activated this turn. Each activation is either +3 or +2 mana, and new teferi costs 8, so if he minuses at least 4 times before leaving the first time, he can loop forever with the additional veil stacks + recasts. Every extra veil stack can be used to plus teferi, netting more mana and more cards he is netting enough that each new teferi's commander tax is paid plus extra. It is infinite, since you can plus teferi with an empty deck, so he should be able to trivially win assuming he has a win condition in his deck somewhere.

[@nik700]

"He's so salty!" says Cassius, famous for never being salty on camera Great episode, loved the pod!

[@sdbritt]

Gabriel with the Wonderboy reference that went by unnoticed.

[@thewanderingmind3327]

Me: sees Cassius Hell nah, I'm skipping this episode Also me: sees JM DAMN IT, okay I'll give it a shot Me again: I can't take it, he's infuriating *closes ep early

[@gazza4589]

This was my exact same reaction. I was hyped to see Joe play. I loved his character in Critical Role!

[@papaflowers5726]

THAT. Joe is so cool but Cassius "imma scoop" marsh is insufferable.

[@teejayaaron]

Gotta love watching Deathstroke and Ghost Rider playing some Magic together!

[@garyfalls3960]

Who played deathstroke

[@teejayaaron]

@@garyfalls3960 Joe Manganiello in Zack Snyder's Justice League

[@garyfalls3960]

@@teejayaaron thanks. I figured it out right after I left the comment

[@branimalgaming4807]

Let's be honest with ourselves. When we all see a new TTJ episode we all get excited! Joe brings the energy, and a fun aspect to the game every single episode. That is the reason we all ask for more!! But when an episode with Cassius comes out, we all groan in pain and agony. 10-20 minute turns, $40K decks, and turn 3-4 win combos every single time he plays... Even the players look bored out of their minds watching him play solitaire for an hour. Doesn't understand the combos in the deck either. "Rule 0" with his cEDH deck he won tourneys in..

[@xxxzeroxxx8406]

It's painful and almost pointless to watch even if they all agree to the rule 0. Its just not as entertaining to see ONE player become the threat just because they are playing a stronger deck than the rest. It would be way more entertaining to see him actually play something in line with the others. It's not even a personality thing, I am just tired of seeing the low variety in decks that he plays, too.

[@afrosamurai3847]

Yeah the guy plays every game with his wallet, just lame as hell to see. I make remarks whenever I see similar obviously to a lower scale than casually dropping a 4k card at my lgs. I much prefer actually unique decks rather than seeing the same best in slot "staples".

[@hodlsage8968]

Kinda agree here it just pulls all the fun out of the game. Then you have the other guests thinking their decks can compete, Joe needs to set Cash straight.

[@jeremyv3470]

1000% agree. Ruined an episode with amazing guests. Black neto needs to set better experience levels so that he delivers a good experience to his viewers.

[@TabbyLavalamp]

Four untouched pre-cons is the way to go.

[@tylermorrison1595]

I feel like Gabriel got to play like 2 spells the entire episode 🤣

[@justinc.8753]

This is my fave channel, but damn these decks that Cassius runs are a drain on the entertainment value as a viewer. The mood seems to always shift and drop at the table and so does the mood drop as a viewer. If no one’s having fun playing then no one’s having fun watching

[@d4rksolitude]

Gotta double down on this comment. Like why purposely ignore the rule 0…

[@barryrott726]

I think they have Cassius because he’s a big name and he seems to help Out Joe. Minus that I agree it’s not very entertaining to watch casual decks face Cedh decks … whenever Cassius plays that seems to be all he enjoys doing

[@jaydub5515]

Cass k ows his deck isn't a High Power EDH Deck, right? It's a cEDH deck. Mental Misstep is not played in Commander

[@broganmccanna3008]

A Fan-deck episode would be so sick, TTJ

[@november1991danny]

Why do they play with Cassius. Cus that man just doesn’t know power levels.

[@gazza4589]

Cause he’s got money and he’s famous.

[@imurhuklbrry2393]

Joe did not seem entertained by the power level difference haha. This is the type of session that a person will brew a deck specifically for vengeance

[@TabletopJocks]

😂 it’s already happening haha our play group does that all the time! Whenever I have my land destruction deck they bring all the counter spells lol

[@TheDARKNESS8030]

He seemed annoyed that the second game was headed the same way as the first. Which I completely understand. But to be fair, Joe won pretty much the same way. I dont really sympathize all that much. Except with Gabriel.

[@SmeeGuitar]

Always the one guy at an LGS that brings a cEDH deck to a casual table

[@adoo765]

Like bringing a nuke to a stick fight

[@Azlaak]

There’s 2 types of competitive players. People who knows what they are doing and Cassius… son you gotta play faster if you’re going to play combo… if you were my friend I’ll be in your case 30 seconds tutors 60 sec turns…. And go through the combos because once you make a mechanical error you lose the game.. Back in my days the beauty of sequences combo came from knowing your deck… if you were playing against decks that could compete against Teferi I doubt you’ll win this easy. P.S you did not resolve the flutter storm correctly either…. Worst than playing against a combo deck is to play against a player who doesn’t now how their cards works… 😅

[@thewanderingmind3327]

Spends $35k on a deck and doesn't know how to play it Also plays Cedh deck against a new player lol Pain

[@vincentaponte5726]

Rule 0 means nothing if you aren't actually on the same power level. Rule 0 is about the fun/joy of the game. If you guys aren't enjoying getting dumpstered then we aren't either watching it. I should have turned it off when Joe said turn 5-7 and Cass said ehh idk about that. I get it, with turn 5 decks and a god hand, you can probably win turn three but that same thing shouldn't happen in the same way when you run it back. Have him play a powered down deck or have everyone build a deck on his power level. We shouldn't have to hear that he slow played it to "have mercy" on everyone either. Love the content Joe, I just want to see it ALL. I wanna see all the decks do SOMETHING. Appreciate the second game so we could see moar!

[@kurmit11]

am i wrong in thinking that the counter spells at 19.31 were resolved incorrectly and that the mental mistep could not of stopped the copies from flusterstorms storm trigger?

[@torreywalls1930]

I was thinking the same thing. Should’ve been more copies of Flusterstorm.

[@gigarawr]

Should have been 3 copies on the stack

[@tylerqt2uqrivera33yu4]

Yeah I am a novice and I knew that XD

[@TabletopJocks]

“I’m a novice and I knew that” 😂 y’all gotta relax it’s really not that serious. It’s a game and we are just kicking it. This is just us having fun. Things are gonna be missed sometimes, not a big deal. It’s how it would be in a real game with friends.

[@williammaykel138]

@@TabletopJocksits a good thing that people commented on this cause I actually didn’t know that about “storm” mechanic and I learned something from the comment.

[@Bradimus1981]

"If anyone touches your deck and it makes you feel uncomfortable, call Judy at HR." lol

[@CrookedTerror]

Joe M's Rambo III story to describe the Tempt with Vengeance scenario had me cracking up. Cassius so serious about the situation it made me laugh even harder. "Who gets Europe? I don't know."

[@moonlight2870]

The dog on Joe's lap just chilling

[@RequiemFortheFallen]

It's so adorable , stole the show lol

[@lokumo13]

I do like Joe and his content. Also know they are friends and having fun and are chill with eachothers’ lists ahead of time and all, which magters the most. Though Cash coming in with the deck that took down his cEDH tournament twice against this pod is a bit funny ngl…

[@nelsikegaming]

Gabriel says "it's been almost a year since I was here" and this was recorded in Jan-Feb of this year? Man time flies!!

[@gamingmedic8639]

Bro Joe M's face says what we are all thinking when Cass is going off again on the second game. The power level seems way off on this episode. Still love ya thought Blackneto!!!! Keep up the beast work!!!

[@PaladinLostHour]

I like this table, because you got four different vibes. Cassius tunes his decks to the highest level. He will absolutely wreck your face with his decks. Gabriel just loves magic and hanging with the homies. He don't care that other people are popping off way hard. Joe loves his tribe and his commander. He wants to do Dragon things with his friends. Joe just wants to be a good host, because I've played enough with him to know that his Mishra will put in work, but it's not nearly as degenerate as his Blanka deck.

[@bashlindsay7618]

Joe with a Tiamat Deck, LET'S GOOOOO!!!!!!!! I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!! Going to be an epic episode.

[@shannonwatson8023]

They need to make a Arkhan the Cruel card for him!!!

[@bashlindsay7618]

@@shannonwatson8023 they should

[@ryanquinn1257]

He loves DND and Tiamat is a big character there in of. Definitely wanted on his part. Great steward of MTG and DND. His play on critical role is still epic gameplay.

[@bashlindsay7618]

@@ryanquinn1257 yup

[@jeremyv3470]

Coming in knowing Cash Marsh ruined the gameplay with his overpowered BS. Didnt even pay attention to the game. Just here to enjoy the guests conversation.

[@hanbasssolo]

Maybe next time we can see Joe and Gabriel play

[@g4greed502]

the flusterstorm misplay will bother me for the rest of my night

[@user-ix8dz4eh2o]

It’s just cassius’ way of having fun is a little different I don’t have a problem with it.But so everyone else will be quiet I think they need to see Cassius play with the other opponents playing a game full powered too.Yeah he takes a while but you can still tell he’s having fun.Gotta give him credit for that at least🤷🏻

[@thewildcyclone3159]

Damn, I thought this pod would only appear in my fan fiction! Thanks for all the content btw.

[@brendonrichey]

Oh my lanta, what have we here. A terminator and a werewolf alongside blackneto and cassius marsh.

[@fernandobalmaceda2877]

gaddddeaaaam that beat in the intro goes HAAAARD !!! top content as always my guy

[@jamesharless6103]

Cash the ultimate pub stomper.

[@Muxeman]

Fun game if the mono blue player wasn't there.

[@SmashAdams]

this is always true

[@pvolt7]

RUN IT BACK! I love the channel man, really. Commander is about people ultimately, and you get such a range of fun folks period on here, it's cool. Cheers!

[@Ohaitoyou]

Looks like Manganiello's biggest commander pet peeve is the table not being able to play.

[@christophermiller34]

Very cool to see these actors and athlete playing MTG and talking DnD! Really living up to the “jock” in tabletop jocks 😂

[@bigredzed3374]

How tf Cas always have the craziest opening hand! Lucky man

[@chriscordero-torres9095]

Can we just appreciate the subtle Hunter X Hunter reference Cass made

[@vlfive]

I can tell Joe M was not having it/enjoying the game on Cassius’ extra turn 😂

[@auxillaryinput]

That wonderboy reference at 22:00 Love it

[@evanperkins3467]

wow i missed that!! hell yea

[@dgja16]

Misplay: Flusterstorm creates copies of itself on the stack when it's being cast for each other spell that was cast before on the same turn (Storm), The storm count was 2 (LED and FG) he had 2 copies of Flusterstorm, and mental misstep would've only countered one copy of Flusterstorm, Cashes was tapped out.

[@claytongonzagaa9374]

If Tiamat enter in the battlefield everybody can say: GG. 🎉

[@magerr98]

Oh man, the last time I saw Joe in something was Critical Role playing Arkan. Awesome to see him again!

[@joewhite4456]

Gabriel is the dad that learnt to play magic to spend more time with his nerdy son and is constantly trying to fit in with "the kids" by talking about baby yoda.

[@heath1948]

Glad to see Joe is taking the divorce well

[@unclebrady69]

Joe didn't even need all the other dragons, Terror and food chain squee combo ends the game on the spot

[@yurdedmyded]

Dood, so glad Gabriel mentioned the bike rack resembling the phyrexian symbol. I've seen the made the same connection before and thought to myself "Does that mean bikes make you pay with your life?"

[@izzyskeemy]

*I'm all the way out here for this video* 🙏🙏🙏

[@bashlindsay7618]

Dragonborn Barbarian for the win for me. I love playing that in One Shots, I enjoy the rage of ancient dragons and slaughtering my enemies and standing on a mountain on corpses of my enemies and letting out a mighty roar of victory.

[@BillyTheFridge]

Good games! Tiamat is silly good. Been trying to put together a dragon deck and have been bouncing around so many different color combinations for it. Why not ALL OF THEM!?!! Hahaha. Cheers!

[@dondariohabibi5118]

Lmao Cassius out here again with playing his tier 2 cedh deck countering Flusterstorm XD winning on turn 3 shiiiiiiit man. enjoy the channel joe no matter what he does tho :D

[@christopherpolizzi8706]

Nobody ever remembers good ol' Luminarch Ascension

[@brettsutherland8390]

Wish I could've seen this game without Cash

[@TheDylls]

Cassius has always been a completely unexpected Spike to me, and I always love having one or two in the group

[@miggie1290]

doggo just casually chilling

[@ghost64626]

Joe, that jacket and hat combination is phenomenal!

[@bryanrosado115]

Cash, we are playing casual commander. Bring a power 7 deck Oh, my Cedh deck is a 7 bro.

[@RefriedVirus]

This was the sickest commander video I've ever seen. I'm just getting into competitive. Kinda felt like I was there too.

[@TabletopJocks]

That’s what’s up! Welcome to the fold! Glad you had fun because that’s the vibe 😎

[@2d_spartan]

Cassius is the definition of “I have money so every deck I have has to be top tier” ive never seen the dude not play competitive style decks.

[@UNTAPUPKEEPDRAW88]

The amount of people getting salty on other peoples behalf is astonishing these guys play together all the time and are ok with what each other plays they laugh about it because it’s a game cash is a stand up guy just like Joe is and they are a blast to play with

[@nsaneg00n74]

I’m sure Joe knows this now but the flusterstorm has storm so mental misstep would only counter one copy of fluster. Great energy though on the show love the guests.

[@runcmd1419]

Cassius needs to find a way to bling out a casual level deck. Get some deep cuts in there because watching chain veil combo go off against a modified pre-con is just painful.

[@mattiasbystedt1332]

This is hilarious 8:16. Gabriel and Bubbles look identical when Cassius blue goes off

[@moreparmesan5261]

Cassius' decks are always overpowered.

[@GrundysGames]

Love the intro!!!

[@JR_Nerd]

I swear I’m having deja vu watching this video lol

[@Amaryterasu]

DUDE my birthday is also December 5th that's such a wholesome tidbit of info. Crazily enough my name is also Gabriel.

[@oa8418]

I LOVE this, new subscriber. ya’ll really got me wanting to try EDH, looks fun! i would def want to see the same pod of guys but with similar power level decks! love the vibes!

[@mattiasbystedt1332]

Let’s go!! 🎉Thanks for the Friday❤🎉 entertainment! I also have a Tiamat/Ancient dragon/Miirym deck and love DnD ❤I am guessing he wants to play Tiamat, play sneak attack, put Miirym down followed by all ancient dragons and more, maybe Scourge of the throne? And I haven’t played my deck a lot and frankly not a whole lot of commander! But if it’s more that’d be even better!

[@lichtheimer]

Cassius's deck was just a well oiled machine the whole time. When he played Fabricate I knew he was either going for the last combo piece or something different to let things go on a bit longer XD

[@mrTjstephens1]

I watched Joe Magninillo's "Finding your roots" where that jones line is from.

[@alexwolfe7551]

Last game I played I finally got to play teferris puzzle box. SO MUCH FUN

[@SolidFoxHoundSF]

I feel so bad for precon dude after that turn one teferi LOL

[@JR-ti5jm]

Squee doesn't go to the graveyard from Food Chain, he goes to exile, then he can be cast from there. Also, Food Chain can supply "infinite mana" this way, but that mana can only be used to cast creature spells. Just small corrections.

[@archmagemechanic1]

Additionally, doesn't Food Chain create mana of one color? So it'd make 4 mana of one color which has to be red to keep recasting Squee...so he's got infinite red mana. So how does Joe play Tiamat? Am I missing some detail?

[@JR-ti5jm]

@@archmagemechanic1 you make an additional mana each time. So you can get 'infinite' red and then use that to continue and get 'infinite' of any other colors as well. But it's only for casting creatures. You could use a creature like Ramos, Dragon Engine in this deck to filter that mana into other uses though.

[@nchomeier]

I need that Dragonlance t-shirt! Gonna hit that Death Saves store before christmas!

[@Jack-in-the-Mox]

Thats also not how the stack resolves at @19:20 yall forgot about the flussterstorms was like for 3

[@sjorensenestraro167]

Didn’t realize that mental misstep could counter all 4 of the flusterstorm on the stack… pretty sure joe should have still resolved LED

[@itz_bulls2374]

Great game, he had the kill with just terror and squee cause the squee will just keep coming in and dealing damage everytime he casts it to get his mana.

[@matthewcapaldi]

And Joe should have had the win a turn earlier. He could have sacrificed his elemental tokens after attacking to cast Squee from the graveyard to kick off the combo. Tokens have 0 CMC so each would be worth 1 mana.

[@Justadadonthetok]

Cass needs to be able to play out the stuff but it seemed like everyone preferred to run it back.

[@Tempest-Official]

I watched this 3 times! Love this group so much! Keep it up, guys.

[@TheFallenA]

I wish to see more the table and cards and people playing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hetarthpatel8297]

when Joe used worldly tutor .... I was like nah not dockside... miirym. ur-dragon or Tiamat ... miirym always. AND he did it !! Love my dragon overlords.

[@rafa93ish]

i like how Cassius builds the perfect decks to have fun with his friends.

[@bpchongo-.-]

Straight up ballers! Great vid guys!

[@t3smith]

I really wanna see this dragon queen decklist!!!

[@Timmyfigs]

Also the office idea is great on camera. Maybe it would feel less cramped to you if you take out that little side table/ credenza and move the desk all the way to the other side of the room.

[@tlwilson32]

Cool game of shuffle my deck every turn while I learn my deck as I play it.

[@PrimeShifter]

I am now a huge fan Of Joe. Sitting with that dog on his lap. Just chilling. Seems like a good dog 🐕

[@briskybryant2296]

X-men fit goes hard, Ayoo it’s cash

[@luckyskin09]

''we did our rule 0 before the game'' LOLL ya okay i wanna hear this convo

[@EpeenKing]

T1 by Cassius was cold. Also love JM and death saves