FINAL Grotmas Detachment - Space Wolves! | Warhammer 40K Grotmas Calendar

[@GrimdarkKing]

‘The Great Wolf Watches’-sounds less like a battle strategy and more like a reminder not to leave your sandwich unattended around Leman Russ.

[@killjoy6090]

they really saved the worst for last, ty gw

[@lol32jnjcaa62]

yep, it sounds as a really bad detachment

[@brandonraasch5239]

This feels like it would be super easy for your opponet to play around so you never benefited from your detachment ability. A shame cause its cool narrative wise but i dont see it working well.

[@marctello8861]

GWS Seems unable to make a functional SW detachment, so far both detachments lean more on your oponent playing bad rather than you playing good, and that just sucks.

[@tailssonicteam1604]

​@@marctello8861well with the changes made to the SW index detachment it has made it much better than it was at launch. It has play imo but yeah this one is just worse than our index one which I didn't think would be possible 😂😂

[@omegonchris]

If my opponent can't assault one of my units because it will let me counter charge with one or two of my own, then my detachment rule has done it's work.

[@marctello8861]

@@omegonchris a full detachment only for one posible countercharge ia just plain bad, 3 inches is too easy to counterplay, they can just charge and fight with less people, but even then they can just pile in and be in those 3 inches and tou cant do anything about it

[@BenjaminHolbrook-tz6pw]

Everyone seems to forget about "if you can base you must". Unless you spread your army thin, your opponent will be choosing between fighting multiple units or not charging at all. This is actually fantastic.

[@BlueMinisYT]

This is a slap in the face to space wolf players, now we likely are gonna have to wait till the end of the edition just to even get a 2nd playable detachment and by then we’ll probably have it for a month or so before 11th edition

[@beerbatreps3861]

Detachment rule is... Ok. Mainly the strats are great. Upy-downy, sticky, stealth, sustained-lethals and AOC. It really gives you all the tools needed to win the game. The strats are the winners of this Detachment for sure

[@BrotherAlan74]

If you want at least 2k of first born sons of fenris, let me know as it would be a good home for them

[@thkase]

yes please?

[@willi526]

That woul be awesome

[@Colbliashi]

Poor Space Wolves, always dumped on.

[@CuriousLumenwood]

Reading the rules myself, then watching Art of War’s video on this detachment, then watching this one, I’m much more inclined to agree with AoW on this. The detachment rule is awful. 3”, no charge bonus, and you don’t get anything for doing it. No +1 to wound, no rerolls, nothing.the enhancements are all fine at best except the one that increases it to 6”, which is so mandatory *it might as well have just been the detachment rule from the start.* I didn’t want to get Thunderwolf Cavalry because I think the wolf models look absolutely disgusting. I got wolf guard terminators instead as my “big melee threat”. As someone who uses WGT with Logan Grimnar leading them; this detachment does absolutely nothing to make playing them worthwhile. Terminators are not that durable and they don’t hit that hard. If your WGT are stationed on an objective and you’re trying to threaten the 3” countercharge, there is very little that could stop your opponent from killing you in shooting. This detachment doesn’t make any of the things it wants you to do actually worth doing. I think the only thing this detachment is good for is being proof of how much GW absolutely despises melee.

[@The_Penguin_8964]

I don't know why everyone feel bad to this detechment, to me it's a really nice detechment🤔 Just tell your Brutalis+Redemptor charge onward, if your opponent ready to charge them, Rapid ingress 1×10 terminator standby for a counter charge, if they don't, charge them and tell terminators to shoot some bodys down, done👌🏻 Not competitive at all, but fricking fun👍🏻at least better than knights...🤦🏻‍♂️

[@poolice1808]

At least Wolves didn't get the same detachment that they already had but worse, like Thousand Sons xD

[@The_Penguin_8964]

​@@poolice1808 I try not to mention them...🙈🥲

[@The_Penguin_8964]

​@@poolice1808 I try not to mention them, that detechment is just...ugh🤦🏻‍♂️

[@NecroGoblin-yl2fx]

hmm this detachment leant towards the rumors of Assault termies next year and the SW refresh with special SW termies :D

[@mikeg8564]

Up the 3" to 12" and ill love it.

[@complainergamer4315]

It's nice to see a boost to Wolf Guard Terminators, shame it doesn't quite hit as well as expected

[@BenjaminHolbrook-tz6pw]

I love how when i was saying the DA detachment was horrible everyone was like " but for 2 cp you can charge them in their turn it's incredible!" Now that it's applied to a whole army for FREE "This sucks it's so easy to avoid!"

[@TimothyHorsburgh-g7e]

Apparently Dangles players have it great and need to stop whinging. 🙄 What bugs me, is that codex compliant players say ncc players shouldn't have access to Gladius etc. which I agree with in theory, but not until GW bother to give them decent detachments.

[@wiebeposthuma4686]

Happy Holidays!!!!

[@talscorner3696]

FENRYKA!

[@baskierisven8005]

I honestly like this detach. Is it better then Champions of Russ or Stormlance? No, but it gives us a nice, tactical deatch, which pushes you to ignore our most spammed unit (TWC). From what I'm reading online, a few people seems to be missing the fact that the 3" countercharge can be made against anyone withing 3", not only an enemy unit that charged that turn. This effectively gives us a 3" bubble where the enemy has to think twice before entering. Also, we can buff the OC of our battleline as well, at least for the moment, using Wolf Guard Pack Leaders in terminator armour. It's not an incredible boost, but Blood Claws with OC 3 sounds interesting.

[@kimsebimse6603]

Merry Christmas ! and for the love of the great wolf.. get a space wolf army !! asap !! go go ! :D

[@tobias-hastings]

Really dislike this detachment. Thematically it sounds like a cool way of making your army more aggressive. Practically it's going to play as "catching your opponent out when they make the mistake of ending a move too close to you units". It's a feels-bad detachment.

[@tailssonicteam1604]

It's feels-bad for both you and your opponent. If your opponent messes up then it's feels bad for them. But it's super easy to play around. Like a 3" aura is just terrible. If it was a flat 6" heroic intervention basically then I could see it. But 3" is just too easy to play around.

[@alastairlindley51]

Both the SW detachments have been near misses for me, both fluffy as anything but just not quite executed correctly. CoR - Should've just be able to interchange between sagas each battle round with a strat to put units in more than one in a given phase, gives flexibility while still being fluffy. Either that or have the Sagas as enhancements for units and find a different detachment rule in fitting with the fluff like +1 to hit on the charge like the army rule was in 9th. CoF - a flat 6" heroic intervention would've been at least workable, 3" is just too easy to play around and relies too heavily on your opponent messing up rather than any good play from yourself as all you're basically doing is throwing units up the table. Any player with any kind of experience will have no problem dealing with it.

[@alsbartrr]

When will we see a battrep with SW with you guys? ❤️

[@garethjones6708]

Yeah, especially as Fletcher has been painting a SW army for over a year now!! 😮

[@MegaApostel]

Pretty sure that army is on hold until the SW supplement drops and they see what units get a refresh or gets put into Legends/diesnt exist anymore

[@AngryAcolyte]

@@MegaApostel they probably can’t show it off because it may include new units. Idk how early content creators get sent new kits

[@DaBennyBoi]

AWOOOOOOO!

[@omegonchris]

Awoo

[@nicholasblahblahblah1913]

So, no Qorld Eaters...

[@tabletoptactics]

They were yesterday, we have a video up on them now 😊 - jinx

[@USAFWolf]

This detachment gives really sad vibes... What a disappointment. Thanks for covering it though.

[@timroth1984]

Grotmas!!!!!

[@MegatronYES]

I wish I had more to write about this aside from the feeling of disappointment. This just isn’t very good.

[@gustavoacosta1434]

So GW wants us to buy termonators.🙄

[@primalbiomechanics-willmon6166]

AWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo

[@GamingPaladin]

7:00 But it's specifically a *Terminator Squad,* which means Wolf Guard Terminators are locked out of it. :(

[@The.Innercouncil]

When it says that, it’s talking about keywords. So it would work since Wolfguard have the Terminator keyword! Hope that helps

[@GamingPaladin]

@@The.Innercouncil It is talking about keywords, and Wolf Guard Terminators do not have the *Terminator Squad* keyword.

[@christerprestberg3973]

Some hits, some misses, and a lot of nice fluffy ones. Overall, the Grotmas calendar really shows one of the strengths with the detachment system.

[@omegonchris]

Agreed, I love the detachment system for being able to do both competitive detachments and fun and fluffy detachments.

[@NexAura1]

Im just happy to have an index again, sincerely north of 5k points of DeathWatch.

[@BlueMinisYT]

It’s a shame the people designing the detachments are brain dead half the time, it’s like they don’t even play the game

[@jonpeacock5580]

3in countercharge seems so bad.

[@marctello8861]

Gamesworkshop seem to be very lost with space wolves, they have good ideas and fluffy rules, but playing them ultemilaty sucks, both detachments rely on your oponent making MASSIVE mistakes rather than you playing well, which really sucks, who in the hell is going to stop at 3 inches of a unit if they know you can charge afterwards????? It just makes no sense, and even GWS nerfs it saying you dont get a charge bonus ahahhaha, like it wasnt bad enough.

[@bog300]

Are you high? As a SW player I've had loads of casual success with the COR detachment, giving my whole army a +6 FNP? That's amazing! Combined with some easy ways to get the other sagas (black death on a jump pack captain with thunder hammer is bonkers) or having a character Dreadnaught charge into a unit and using epic challenge to pick out the leader (even if it's at the back of the unit cuz precision in melee is kinda weird) It's genuinely really fun in a casual setting having mini objectives to get

[@marctello8861]

@bog300 I'm not saying the detachment is not fun, and it can be good in casual play against not competitive people, but there is a reason COR is not played in true competitions, as i said, it relies more on the oponent making mistakes rather than you playing well, and it's not just my opinion but of a lot of others, still an opinion, so no need to be rude as you are my friend.

[@omegonchris]

​@@marctello8861 casual games against non competitive players is just as valid a way to play 40k as tournament play, it's absolutely fine for a detachment to be good for either type of game style

[@marctello8861]

@omegonchris yes but again, i dont care if its good, if it doesnt rely on me as a player for it to be good and instead does on how bad my oponent is, that is just bad design and not too fun

[@dozencatfish1667]

The charges won't come from randomly stopping three inches away because your opponent forgot your detachment rule. It'll come from your opponent charging one of your units, perhaps on an objective, and then getting countercharged into a much harder fight. Opponents aren't "making a mistake" here - they have to try and take objectives from you - but with smart positioning you can benefit.