Tactical vs Competition with Paul Howe

[@zplitterz]

Competition has never been about replacing anything tactical. Shooting and moving becomes faster and more accurate when the training is working. The competitions are just measuring in public those particular skillsets. Tactics can be trained as well on top of being able to shoot and move. Its not hard to slow down and do it well. Its almost impossible to speed up and do it well if never done before.

[@thecsatway3622]

As long as your discrimination speed is calibrated with your shooting speed. Also, nothing was said about replacing one or the other. It is about selecting a path, one or both and moving forward.

[@ThePoorBoy]

Good information. The same debate rages in Brazilian jiu-jitsu and other fighting arts. But people who take their skills seriously do both.

[@Aikibiker1]

I use competition as a vehicle to let me practice things I cannot normally do at a public range. Things like drawing from a holster, shooting more then one round per second, moving (forward, backward, or laterally) while shooting, and shoot a course of fire that I did not design. The last part is important because it acts a gut check to show me holes in my training I may not see myself. Especially if I only practice what I am already good at. I also like the stress factor of doing this in public, on a time clock, and the physicality of some courses. I shoot competitions with the same gun I carry concealed, it is also the same make and model I am issued at work (work will not let me use my issued handgun for competition), I use a holster and belt setup similar to either my duty holster, or I use my CCW holster and gear. I am in no danger of winning a competition, especially going up against guys with $5,000 2011's equipped with optics and slick speed draw holsters. My goal is to be the best I can possibly be with the weapon I carry to protect my family, my community, and myself. Competitions like USPSA and IDPA are one way I can reach that goal. I also take part in tactical training offered through my local Sherriff's department whenever I can, which lately is more often then I go to competitions. My point is competition has a lot to offer, as long as you do not think it is the only thing on offer.

[@anthonyluisi7096]

Paul you sure are on the right path !! 👍

[@PinGorilla]

Do both. Practical Shooting and Tactical Shooting doesn't have to be a binary choice where you have to only pick one. I shoot USPSA and take professional classes I would call tactical yearly such as WPS for example. I also practice both on my own in dryfire and livefire. I think Paul does a respectful and fair presentation in this video and if he got classified in USPSA he'd be B Class or higher easily which would show he has a competent level of hard shooting skills. I think that would be an intersting video to see Paul shoot 8 classifier stages and see where he lands using USPSA classifier rules.

[@dtna]

I have never competed. Strictly a self defense shooter.

[@williamstringer2846]

Thank you Mr. Howe 🇺🇲

[@KCnoSurrender]

Top tier instructor with no BS. I love your philosophies and perspectives on training and building solid foundations. Planning on taking a course from you this year since COVID got me last year.

[@sgtcwhatley]

Thank you for taking the time to explain the "why for" behind the "how to" of tactical shooting.

[@n4d3m4n]

The USPSA classifications are about getting points per second in relation to the top shooters. That's great for a game/sport setting. USPSA is a great sport. USPSA is not real life. You don't go out and stand in the middle of a hall way or window to engage 5+ threats. IDPA tried to switch it up and make it "Tactical" but it's really just a sport with more rules. that's ok, if you want more rules, nothing wrong with that if that's your thing. You can't turn a real life scenario into a game like that. You can, however, take the stress from competition and use that for a tactical scenario. I often feel more stress while shooting, and make the worst mistakes when stressed in a competition compared to scenario training. It's always important to know what you're getting out of everything. Great video summing up this stuff!

[@thecsatway3622]

Thanks. Stress is what you perceive it to be. If was to say to a student, you have to pass these shooting standards to stay in the course, their stress would be elevated. I do this with Instructor Students. That applies to many a unit/agency where you shoot for your job. Some old contractor jobs required you to pass their standard to get in the door. This discussion was geared to how we train people to shoot standards-methodology. For our Guardian classes, they have to shoot standards and pass live fire shooting scenarios.

[@JG_1998]

"Shooting is shooting"- Matt Pranka (CAG assaulter from 2008-2020, current oga contractor, USPSA production grandmaster).

[@SemperFi_EDC_Guy]

THIS ☝️ ☝️ ☝️

[@bulleit9459]

@@JG_1998 and he would be wrong

[@johnholschen1128]

Yes it is. And then you need to add a whole list of other capabilities that Matt Pranka has, but he didn't get from USPSA. If you are preparing for defensive/tactical situations the first two missing links IMO are 1. Discrimination (more complex than what color is the target.) 2. Recognition and management of spatial relationships (everyone will be moving and you need to manage your gun to target line and beyond.)

[@bulleit9459]

@@johnholschen1128 then “shooting” is not “shooting”. It is in the context of presenting the weapon, acquiring the target, getting sights where they need to be and breaking the shot without disturbing sight picture. Other than that there is so much more to fighting with a firearm than just saying shooting is shooting.

[@johnholschen1128]

@@bulleit9459 I am in complete agreement with your last sentence. The BLUF for me is that yes shooting is shooting but... shooting is just part of fighting. My second point is that shooting competition is/was only a small part of what makes the CAG, SWAT, SF dude they are quoting an effective fighter.

[@USAFraimius]

Competition is a good part-task trainer to validate a sub-set of skills. Weapons handling, reloads, footwork, etc. It is not ALL you need to train to for real life scenarios. Take the good lessons, and file the "game" portion in the hobby category. A good tactician should have the skills to be an above average competitor. A great competitor will have the edge, because they do not worry about things the tactical shooter has to consider.

[@ICantSeeYourRepliesDickhead]

Why didn’t Paul reply to you? He seems conflicted himself and I’m wary now of taking advice from him

[@SavageTactical]

It was eye opening the first time I shot a no shoot target on your range.

[@19anthro11]

Same here. I double tapped a target on the right side of the T intersection. The group was great, but target had a badge in his hand. Ooops

[@Mounty621]

Thank you for your wisdom, Sir.

[@reddeserted13]

Happy New Year 👍🏼🇺🇸

[@praevalerelibertatem6341]

Great info and content. Thanks for what you do.

[@drewmorg.]

A guy who drops 20,000 rounds through his G17 in competition is going to be pretty decently prepared if the time ever comes.

[@johnholschen1128]

I conduct a class in which several GM and more than a handful of M class shooters have participated. What becomes apparent to them and anyone else observing during the class is that although they are very well prepared to shoot, some are far more prepared to fight effectively than others. The later depends on if they have put in the time to develop their ability to discriminate, make flash assessments of the physical battlefield and rapidly implement optimal movement to manage those factors. Exercise of these skills ranges from minimal to non-existent in USPSA competition. You have to learn and practice it somewhere else or you don't have it. (By the way I have averaged about 13K/year over the last 20+ years. Some years twice that and other years half.)

[@drewmorg.]

@@johnholschen1128 That's a lot of shooting!!!! I trust your advice here and it makes sense. I have practiced with the Mantis and even with no stress in a dry fire situation it's hard to pass the shoot/no-shoot test it has

[@BandGeek2210]

I see the negative comments. BUT…l agree with the guy who was on the worlds best military unit. I wish l could train with ypu

[@mikehendricks2933]

SOLID INFORMATION to live (and shoot) by. EXCELLENT!

[@rolotomase1440]

Some guys are going to lap this up but for too many this is going to be used as their justification and excuse to not try competition. Paul kinda talks like competition is an "all or nothing kind of thing." You can do competition and you can do medical training or force on force, etc. I'd like to hear more about Paul's experience shooting competition and how it affected him.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

You're right it isn't an "all or nothing" thing, but at the same time. Many people do take it that way as well. And many don't so it will depend on the individual.

[@TGS-rb8us]

He says at the end do both if you can separate your mind for both.

[@jeffjones7427]

Paul, can you drill down on the difference between tactical shooting and competition shooting? Because in my humble opinion, shooting is just that..shooting. In your slide with police link up, after shooting, verbal, equipment, footwork, hand combat, medical, day/night, equipment, standards etc. etc. That’s not shooting. Shooting fast and accurate is shooting. So can you please drill down on why “tactical shooting” is dominant please? Thank you for your time sir.

[@thecsatway3622]

I don't think I can post real world videos here and don't want to get into too many tactics on the internet. I have photos, videos and body cam footage of many a shooting and I constantly review it to ensure the tactic we are teaching works or gives you the advantage. You have the drop on them, or they have the drop on you. It is one or the other. We teach options. Give commands, automatically shoot, etc. As for the difference, it is shooting and all the components I listed. In a competition match, you shoot and stop. We do link ups, medical and revisit if we have to go back to the flat range and do more tune ups.

[@jeffjones7427]

@ Thank you for explaining that. I appreciate your time.

[@eddiexoc8430]

Great points. Thank you.

[@hubertjoyce4542]

Good info sir, thanks for sharing.

[@mattfransen1551]

Mr. Howe- the negative comments have zero clue. My property was recently invaded twice in the same night. The perpetrator entered my back yard, tried the back doors, and shown a light through my bedroom window. I propped up behind a bathroom wall in the most advantageous position possible facing the window. After a few seconds, I was able to see the perp’s silhouette and flashlight outside through my rifle’s optic, but most importantly, I could tell he was retreating and couldn’t make out a weapon. Following your videos and tailoring my training gave me the ability to discriminate my targets. That discrimination likely saved me an incomprehensible legal battle. Had I strictly been competition focused in my training, I doubt I would’ve thought to take cover or be disciplined enough to hold my fire when I made out the silhouette. Shooting off 10 rounds in 2 seconds as soon as you see a target is cool, until you realize they landed on a retreating and *potentially* unarmed man’s back. Thank you again Mr. Howe, your knowledge kept my sister and I safe that night, both physically and legally.

[@ICantSeeYourRepliesDickhead]

I struggle to find how competitive shooting aspects ruined anything here? Only the tactical portion of finding good concealment and getting the edge over your opponents helped in this situation. Again, competitive shooting will not mitigate your chances of survival. Your extra knowledge pertaining to tactical use was what “saved” you here. No reason to bash on competitive lol

[@markhatfield5621]

At one time there was a Guardian 3 and a Guardian 4 class offered. Would like to be able to take those.

[@flanker1977]

I greatly admire Matt Pranka and like his logic, and I also have the out most respect for Paul Howe (that is same feelings using different words....) but It doesn't mean I agree in everything with both (couldn't be otherwise, in my opinion. Agreeing in everything either means you are the same person, or you can't built your own opinion) This to lead me to what my take is on the subject most comment here I agree with the axiom that "shooting is shooting". And that is a hard skill needed to be mastered by those whom shooting is their work. I also understand the importance of tactics The way I see it is like this: "Tactical thinking" for most is a more "defensive" way of thinking while "shooting" is a more "aggressive" way of thinking. Tactics (either as a way of thinking, or as a "mechanism" of going about) has primarily as a goal to minimize the adversaries advantages (or maximize own) OR to make less important our lack of top performance skills. Example, move to a cover position that offers stability in order to compensate for my lack of mid distance marksmanship (or my lack of confidence in my abilities). Is this a "solution" to lack of top performance hard skills? No. But at the same time many people don't have the capacity to reach top performance (i.e they are not the product of selection process, don't have the time, don't have the resources). Should it be this way? Again, no. But that's the way it is for most. Also, it can apply for people that shooting is not their primary work, even if military. Shooting is a more aggressive way of dealing with issues. But may not be applicable in all situations, or not manageable by all people. Should it be like this? Probably not, but that's the way it is. However, I can't argue that when shooting starts shooting is only what matters. The counter argument is, though, that this in only when shooting happens on equal terms and shooting is the only thing happening So, seeking shooting performance at the top level is only a good thing. And "shooting is shooting" training is the best way to reach for that performance Ignoring the importance of tactics, as a way to medicate "lack of top performance" or as a way to manage things other than shooting is, in my opinion, a narrow minded way of thinking Sorry for the prolonged blambling.....

[@untilvalhalla7854]

What was it Bruce Lee said? “Boards don’t hit back.” I believe another group of warriors says something like, “don’t rush to your death.” My personal favorite is “it doesn’t pass the Walmart parking lot test.” I don’t spend my time, money or limited “hard drive” space on things that violate these ideas.

[@revans4774]

Seem thoughtful , thank you 🙏

[@urijbondar8790]

Main goal in sport shooting is won the competition. Main goal in real life combat is surviving and/or doing the mission. Problem here becomes when good shooters starts thinking when they also knows about the proper tactics of the fight

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

The issue is always going to be that Competition Shooters can't fathom anything else outside of simply shooting fast and accurately, and Tactical guys can't fathom shooting fast and accurately. That being said, I'd always prefer to go to war with trained soldiers by my side, then the average dudes from a USPSA match who are unfit and wouldn't know the first thing about navigating a battlefield. BUT, I'd also rather have the skills for a TYPICAL civilian self-defense encounter that the average USPSA guy has (drawing quickly and shooting fast and accurately) than the small unit tactics/radio/cqb tactics a soldier has that don't transfer over as well for that. It's apples to oranges, but you can mix it into a fruit salad if you're willing to be creative.

[@TGS-rb8us]

Why do people say tactical guys can’t shoot fast?

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@TGS-rb8us Anyone can shoot fast. It's about shooting fast and accurately, and we know tactical guys generally cannot. I've met a few guys who can, Paul Howe being one of them, but generally speaking they cannot. Anyone who's a competition shooter and has trained in the military or law enforcement will be able to tell you that the majority of people in these jobs simply can't shoot.

[@TGS-rb8us]

@ i agree as I’ve seen it. However painting all tactical shooters with the broad brush of they can’t shoot isn’t any better than someone saying all competitive shooters are (insert miriad of comments) I would not classify most LE or most regular Army as true tactical shooters.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@TGS-rb8us You said you wouldn't classify most LE or most Military as tactical shooters... why not? They're the one's who actually use their shooting in tactical scenarios on a grand scale. If you want to point to a few Delta Force guys who run through what are basically USPSA stages in their shoot houses on a daily basis as what constitutes as a "tactical" shooter, that's disingenuous. If you can do that, then I can use guys like Bob Vogel and Matt Pranka to say that's what the average competition shooter is.

[@TGS-rb8us]

@ LE in Texas train tactically (active shooter) once every two years, they qualify once a year with pathetic standards. There are individual officers who go out on their own and train but the majority do only what required. Regular military qualify once a year and most of the regular military are not even combat arms. Tactical shooters to me are people who train on a regular basis not qualify once a year (which is not training). Special ops and SWAT are tactical shooters along with some civilians who seriously train. Delta guys don’t all run through USPSA stages in their CQB training. It will be up to the TLs. Most do not do USPSA type CQB unless something has drastically changed which I doubt it has.

[@scottedwards402]

Thanks Paul. Good stuff again, as usual. I wish all the keyboard competitors/warriors would simply take one of your classes. They might find out the difference that a hit on a don't shoot target and a hit on a hostage/innocent bystander have 2 completely meanings and outcomes. Really good information can be gleaned from competition and tactical if you look at it with an open mind and see if it can be applied effectively to your discipline.

[@TGS-rb8us]

Wow, the amount of people who didn’t actually listen to what Paul said in the video. So many are making comments based on what they thought he said not what he actually said. Insecure much guys?

[@mercenary90]

Hey Paul, can you talk about your methodology for going mustache vs no mustache?

[@thecsatway3622]

Family request. Plus, I did not want to be associated with a GWOT KZbin ninja. Hell, vaginas can grow hair...

[@LtActionCam]

We love your videos Paul. Please keep them coming!

[@ishkabibble2204]

Great Insight!

[@NBT31]

Flat range shooting is not a scenario. It should be used to build component skills in isolation. Tactics are not practiced very effectively on the shooting range. Do that in scenario training with sims, role players, discrimination problems… How about train shooting skills like professional shooters and train tactics separately. You can check accuracy with sims to ensure the shooting skills aren’t falling apart in the scenarios.

[@thecsatway3622]

This is where I see many places/instructors that do not build the additional props such as shoot houses, window ports, vehicle ranges to challenge their students. Yes, then sims applying range fundamentals. All we do from the flat range is take those shooting fundamentals into various common Active Shooter type venues, rooms, open door, inward, outward, T Intersections, vehicle contact, etc.

[@jamessmith-hq5mr]

Thank you for the info.

[@ChappySinclair]

I've gotten in pretty good disagreements with individuals on non combat related competition being detrimental to muscle memory for guys in a combat role. Unfortunately, they were green berets.

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

Tactics don’t mean shit if you can’t shoot.

[@harpsitardo]

...and defensive driving tactics don't mean shit if you can't drive. Duh. I don't need to be a Formula 1 race car driver to "drive". Sounds like you're defining "if you can't shoot" as "if you can't shoot like a USPCA grandmaster".

[@rivercityracer3683]

​@harpsitardo defensive driving is the same thing as trying to avoid a confrontation in a store or parking lot. Yes it is important. No, it is not always possible. If you aren't well practiced at performance driving (motorsports) you're not going to do well when you're put in an everyday situation beyond defensive driving, where you vehicle is losing traction and/or you need to make an avoidance maneuver or someone else changes lane rapidly into your vehicle and hits you because they didn't check/didn't see you, etc. That is where your hard skills should be running in the background and you can regain/maintain control of your car way more often than most people think. But if you're not well practiced at this, you're not likely to be successful, just like if your shooting skills aren't second nature, you're not likely to be successful in a defense shooting. You're just not going to perform fast enough if someone else has the drop on you and has evil intent already. You're always behind the curve. You need to be fast. Nobody can have their head on a swivel and be 100% aware of everyone all the time. Your hard skills in both shooting and driving are the foundation of your survival/the only thing you have which you can fall back on in the event something slips past your awareness or you cannot avoid something.... Edit: it should be noted that practicing performance driving hard skills is way less expensive than becoming a really good shooter. Buy an Xbox and a decent wheel/pedal setup for maybe $1,500 total and you can work on everything performance driving related on a game like Asseto Corsa. Its way less expensive than shooting as far as working on your skills and becoming a good driver vs becoming a good shooter. You need to dryfire a lot for shooting, yes, but you need to shoot a lot as well. With a SIM setup for racing like I mentioned, that's all your hard skills practice right there already, the only things missing are G forces and various sensations/vibrations through your hands and coming from the pedals, and through the seat, that you get from driving a car hard. Basically.

[@ICantSeeYourRepliesDickhead]

Exactly. Fundamentals taught in competition are gonna be the foundation of actually using your weapon right

[@Frank-uw5xq]

Exactly 😂... dudes keep regurgitating that bullshit..DUH.. Hard skills is a Fvcking given... I've said the exact driving analogy

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

@@harpsitardo Its also better to be a formula 1 driver going on a Sunday cruise than to be a Sunday driver in a formula 1 race. Having “just good enough” skills isn’t enough. Especially win your skills level decreases in a gun fight.

[@healthfreak79]

Paul, thank you for the video. Also paul, sorry you have to deal with the soy boys of youtube in your comment section. Dam are they soft and probably got their feelings hurt. Thank you.

[@thecsatway3622]

It is challenging. I am working on patience and thinning the herd at the same time.

[@timothydahlin5321]

Decided to shave after watching.

[@ogukuo97]

Sir, on an unrelated matter, I like your moustache. Sorry to see it go.

[@overlordisgoogle8431]

This dude knows his stuff!

[@jake50461]

I like much of your content Paul. But I would say as someone who does both types of shooting and a current USPSA master this is a weird artificial choice you’re making. Competition shooting is not tactical training. It is fundamental skill training. You must build other hard skills like discrimination with drills for that. You will never see a barbell in combat but I don’t see you saying you should never use one in training.

[@thecsatway3622]

Thanks for the note. If the host agency or organization runs a solid training program, the desired results will be there. I have trained agencies that had a 75% hit ratio because the training structure and command focus was there. I like your barbell comparison, but I used to use machines to get the same effect, faster with less likelihood of injury. In short, it is a choice in training methodology and application. Match results are how you train up. One could take a superior match shooter who did well on a 5-position stage and then run them through 5 rooms of discrimination targets back-to-back as a solo shooter and the results would be different. In end, select your path and move forward. As I have said, I don't have a problem with competition. I just don't care for it. Like free weights to a certain extent.

[@belladonnatook4117]

The internet NEEDS a Paul Howe power point on free weights vs machines. Free weights will get you killed in the streets! Take that gym bros!

[@thecsatway3622]

@@belladonnatook4117 Ha! Humor. Most gyms are bars without alcohol. People want to socialize, screw with their phones, take pictures of themselves in the mirror and not work out on a structured program.

[@belladonnatook4117]

One of the reasons I favor free weights over machines, easy to program and 3-6 movements cover everything. Squats, deadlifts, bench, press, rows, pull ups. Simple and effective.

[@belladonnatook4117]

The real problem is getting people to train regularly. A tiny percentage of gun owners, including cops, train and practice weekly. Heck, USPSA, “stuck in C/B class” guy, doesn’t train, otherwise they wouldn’t be stuck.

[@joie0]

Yikes. This is pure gold.

[@adambala5292]

Thanks, Paul. This was a very informative video.

[@Joseph_Hamilton]

Whole lot of people who apparently have done cqb on a two wau range at the highest level on the planet. Thank you Paul.

[@mattswanson2302]

There is no vs.

[@c.r.chandler5905]

I watched a IDPA match once and the dude who won sprinted the entire match. Ran around corners, stuck his weapon around corners before he cleared them, etc. He was crazy fast and won but I asked him, how would that translate into the real world if you sprint around a corner and there is a dude right there in front of you aiming a weapon directly at your face or stuck you in the chest with a knife and you were moving so fast you didn't have time to react to the threat.

[@bobbertbobberson6725]

And there comes the difference of objectives. Was he using that to train tactical proficiency? Or was it a fun competition? Do you ask race car drivers "Would you speed through on a red light? What would you do if there was snow on the road?" It doesn't *need* to translate to the real world because it's wholly separate from the real world. If the guy thinks he's a badass gunfighter, sure, criticize him for lacking tactical sense. But if he's a competitor that understands he's in a sterile environment, there's no need to go after him over it.

[@frankopanklaric]

That dude would smoke any active shooter/stabber. There is a reason door kickers are chasing after pros for training.

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

Bullets go through walls so you’re point is invalid.

[@bvng2345]

I shot IDPA competitively for several decades... in my younger years (just turned 70). I probably retain 80+% of the handgun handling skill sets as ingrained muscle-memory actions/reactions, even with a much less intense training/practice routine now. There were always 2 types of IDPA shooters, 'gamers' who pushed the limits of rules for their advantage and those who used the competition to hone their use of more reasonable 'defensive tactics', even if it slowed their time. I did some of both, depending on whether I was training for a big match or training for my EDC mindset. I did ok, took a Texas state championship at Sharpshooter level in 2002. But my emphasis has been trying to apply the developed handgun skill sets to a civilian self-defense mindset... 'discrimination', tactical accuracy, and then speed. I dabbled with USPSA/ISPSC, but it proved too extreme of emphasis on speed first and foremost, frankly ignoring what I personally considered more sensible 'tactics' such as 'slicing the pie' from cover. Compare the scoring rules between IDPA and USPSA to see how inaccurate shots are much more punitive in IDPA. This is just my opinion, not knocking USPSA, which is great for speed development alone. Bottom line is Paul has it right from his perspective of the great need to be 'tactical' in all situations. It is more fun to practice for speed and to compete for speed. But seriously 'have the need for tactical', too! 👍

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

@ gun fights are fast… you need to be fast.

[@chrisengstrom8247]

Yep, 2 different kinds of training. If you intend to be ready to defend yourself with a gun, the tactical one would be the choice

[@ICantSeeYourRepliesDickhead]

Nah I’d argue competition for fundamentals. Far more important for the average person.

[@buickkkkkk1]

If I was a competitive shooter and took a class from Mr Howe, I would say very little about being a competitive shooter.

[@paulhowe5863]

You would be fine as we do not demean people but rather educate students as to the "why" behind what we do. Everyone is welcome.

[@glefos3917]

Seems like you are selling mediocre shooting hard skills as good enough for tactical applications. If high speed accuracy is second nature, a considerable amount of mental capacity is freed up for discriminate decision making. Exceedingly well developed discrimination won’t help very much once the threat is recognized and it becomes a race to put accurate rounds where you want before the other guy does.

[@thecsatway3622]

Seems like you might be slow in discrimination. I have not had to shoot fast in combat, I had to see fast first. Again, shooting speed and discrimination should be calibrated equally or you will shoot too fast or see too late. I don't know how many classes you teach, I see people wanted to get better and we help them do that while shooting faster and discriminating properly at the same speeds.

[@thecsatway3622]

@@dmla6371 That is small portion of a slow demo video for students. There is no calibrated speed in CQB if you have ever done it. You will get a team of individuals to a certain bandwidth, but they will perceive and shoot at different speeds. This includes distances. Outside a room is 8-9 yards, inside a room 4-5 yards. Also, there was never a "CQB" speed drill time when I was in special ops. As for students, you don't push them too fast to shoot. If you cannot tell if it is a weapon, you don't press the trigger.

[@thecsatway3622]

@@dmla6371 First, all my videos are on my pay website. You are simply a faceless commentor who may or may not have put their ass on the line for our country. Most likely you are a mouthpiece on a stick. The world champions are tools for tactical guys to pick up nuggets that they can apply in their "Tactical Shooting." As a former TL, I took what I felt was important from the Masters of my time. I was also a Senior Trainer there. The reason a lot of us Tactical Guys don't like competition guys are people like you who want to be entertained, instead of trained. Many of us have been there and back several times and know the difference. You are likely this generation, self-absorbed and need to constantly compare yourself with others, instead of working on self-development. As for pushing and training, I still keep pushing and shot a few quality rounds today that you likely would not approve of. I am fine with that. My pistol is clean again. If you did not pick up anything from the video, it is your loss. It was simply meant to offer my opinion on the fact it is okay to shoot Tactical. That is all.

[@tfwwhennofitlitgf3300]

@@thecsatway3622 No one's asking for entertainment. We just want to see people show proof of their skill.

[@tommysoderholm8305]

@glefos3917 what is your military or police background?

[@Platoon_Guide]

💯‼️If you carry a pistol for a living or daily for self defense, you have to be tactical. I love IDPA/USPSA/PCSL but it’s just a hobby and not a substitute for recent/relevant/realistic case law based training.

[@Kylef7735]

The biggest issue plaguing the average concealed carrier, isn't a lack of tactics. Its a lack of baseline skill. One of the best places to develop those basic universal skills is competing.

[@Platoon_Guide]

@ I’ve been carrying a pistol every day since the 1990’s but it wasn’t until 2017 when I started to shoot IDPA and USPSA that a realized I could get a lot better. Competition drives my practice plan and now I’m more tactical and practical.

[@Platoon_Guide]

@ what do you consider proficient? I’m B Class USPSA and an IDPA Sharpshooter. I dry fire four days per week and live fire about 150 rounds per month. I’m retired but I maintain a recent/relevant & as realistic as possible training plan.

[@jamessmith-hq5mr]

@@Kylef7735 It's also one of the best places to develop bad tactical habits.

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

@@jamessmith-hq5mrso can any flat range tactical shooting.

[@thornburg1911]

Mother of god…my apologies but this is complete nonsense. The things you train for are a shooting problem. The “tactics” are easy. Most can’t shoot accurately at a speed necessary for success in “tactical” environments.

[@thecsatway3622]

Sorry, no. Your opinion is noted. Been training folks a long time and it is a repeating cycle; you see much of the same problems. Tactics and recognizing what tactic to use when is a training process new shooters must go through. Some get 40 hours, some get 80 and are expected to be "operational." If you know anything about training, it will take years for someone dedicated to get to where you "perceive" their shooting skills to be. After their initial training, they then have to put in their own time. Most do not. Yes, shooting is important, but lots of other factors to take into account.

[@todddunn584]

Thank you Paul. This is the way.

[@TGS-rb8us]

Tactics are easy? Ok 👍🏻

[@thornburg1911]

It may be that I wasn’t clear. I believe that the shooting piece and tactics are very different things. I think the shooting needs to be over developed to the point where it runs in the background. We get hung on tactics and techniques very often to the point where operational performance suffers. The feeling i get when listening to you describe tactics is to “slow down and get your hits” and if you don’t, you risk shooting your own people. If we are speaking for the law enforcement side, I’d say that very little comes in the way of performance shooting. They are very hung on things like footwork to the point where “tactical” training just becomes this experience of what a gunfight is suspected to be like.

[@thecsatway3622]

@@thornburg1911 Thanks. Yes, on the overdeveloped shooting. The reality check is most people will never be there. As an instructor, I accept that and push people to be better. The reason we do demos slow, fast, slow is so students can start to process all the micro mechanics involved. As for shooting running in the background, yes and no. Bad guys out there on one side, you on the other, no issues. Shooting live ammo around live role players will slow you a bit as you now have to look at their movement patterns and see if they are going to walk/run into your shot. You might have to move and change angles to ensure a safe shot or simply hold your fire.