45-70 Lever Rifle vs. Level 3 Body Armor

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[@shazmodeus2795]

plate may have stopped the bullet, but that impact is still going to knock the outlaw off his horse.

[@laurence1643]

The hydrostatic effect of blunt force shock like that could turn your insides to jelly and massive hemorrhage. It would be interesting to hear what a doctor would say about it.

[@shazmodeus2795]

@@laurence1643 the amount of deformation on the back of the plate, even after just the 1st round would have caused a shattered sternum and cracked or broken ribs, with possible lung puncture. You'd be alive, but in so much pain you're out of the fight.

[@WangHungLo]

It depends on the firearm/bullet. I am sure that the level three plate works well against handguns to an extent. Rifles are a different story

[@jakeberenson6949]

Yes and Dorr acknowledged this in the video. He still prefers having the plate than not .

[@michaelatkin9649]

It would stop your heart. No its not gonna turn your insides into jelly. You'll have broken bones and bruising with a heart stoppage though

[@laurence1643]

That much blunt force trauma to mid-sternum would could still be fatal.

[@possumpopper89]

From the looks of the low recoil those lightweight 45-70 loads weren’t being pushed beyond black powder pressures. I would like to see some heavy 45-70 loads tested too.

[@rheisz1]

Along with some heavy brass solids.

[@PreppedReView]

Yes sir I agree, possibly mono bullets

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

Exactly!

[@skipdegraff6547]

That's what I was thinking seems low recoil but that could be the custom build I guess. Different bullet and higher grains would getterdunn

[@user-dm8nm1tv8z]

I have a fully customized 45-70, love that thing. I shoot a 730 grain round. I need to get some plates and test it out.

[@kelvinwilliams6999]

Try a 405 grain hardcast hot load.

[@Sabrebadger]

Yeah, I have some 415 grain hand loaded rounds from a vendor at a gun show, I would love to see how it compares.

[@johncoleman2495]

Check out their other offerings... pretty amazing stuff! I am pretty accustomed to shooting heavy recoiling rifles and 5 of these and I'm done for several days

[@jakeberenson6949]

Dorr clearly mentioned like 3 times in the video that even if the plate stopped the bullet, anyone shot by these rounds is staying down. Why da fuq to people in the comments keep bringing it up like the video didn't address it?

[@dustinpribble1546]

Costa Ludis rail is great but i prefer the Chisel brand stock.... a little more expensive but well worth it. 45-70 can come in up to 405g or slight bigger too

[@rom14141]

That's a cool build. It's like an old version of the 450 Bushmaster. You can make steaks from about anything with the 45-70.

[@jpetro3600]

We have been using the lever 45/70 for years as bear back up. Been building them, more then this build for 2 plus years now. The build isn't difficult. Lack of vocabulary shows this is new to them. Thanks for the video.

[@geoffreygrant6833]

Anyone who thinks the old 45-70 with the Hornady tipped rounds is not a beast. Ask the Bison that took one step after meeting one last fall. 😅

[@fortnite.burger]

Noice. I haven't shot a bison yet

[@joshuabouley7674]

I fired a 4570 325g expanding head in the field. It emptied out the target and left an exit wound I could pass my fist clean through. I didn’t even know they made 250g rounds. A great guide gun.

[@Nuke8401DaveE]

Great video Dorr. I think one thing you mentioned which is skipped in most tests of body armor is the impact/energy transferred to the body. Maybe you guys can give us an idea based on what you have seen/experienced. I think there is a misconception out here, especially with soft armor/IIIA/pistol, that you can take a round(s) and quickly shrug it off and keep moving/fighting. I mean if I were to take one round of .357 or .44 mag in soft armor and it breaks a rib or two, I'm not going anywhere. Thanks, David E.

[@grayman7208]

there are numerous 45-70 loads that have much more power. buffalo bore, hsm, cor-bon, grizzly, double tap, etc.

[@joshroten3997]

The rifle and the results on a Level III plate are both impressive! Cool video.

[@eddieC007]

Are there any downsides to ccw safe? Like Uscca being secretive about what case they will cover, or hidden things we may have to pay for? Does ccw safe really cover everything in a firearm altercation?

[@jasonmyers5341]

Nice rifle. I love the fact the plate held but that energy transfer to your ribs well knock the wind out of you ass on the ground out of the fight

[@stripmin41]

Seen a guy at the range with a tactical 45-70 lever action with rails, weapon light and a LVPO. Looked cool and it was accurate but is it practical? I like my M14 in .308.

[@shawnryan2197]

Was this video recorded in Escondido?

[@mohawkdriver4155]

I'd like to see a measurement of the kinetic energy transfer to a human torso.

[@lefunnyN1]

would be cool to see a modern semi auto in that sort of large caliber, maybe a 450 bushmaster or 50 beowulf

[@RustyShackle1776]

They have AR uppers for both.

[@martinsonofwar395]

458 socom is 45-70 equivalent. All of them have AR chamberings

[@Cakesadamant]

Check out the company that makes an AR platform chambered in 45-70. It's buckage... but 20 rounds of fuck your couch is what it is. Lol

[@icescrew1]

Hunted Elk with that cartridge. In its range its the deal. 444 as well.

[@AgressorNation]

The amount of deformation on the inside after the first round would have cracked the sternum possible in multiple places, caused costochondreal separation of the ribs from the sternum, and fractures on those ribs as they separate from the sternum. The resulting compression would knock the breath out of the victim in a brutal way, and cause severe internal damage to the lungs, possibly internal bleeding. Even if the victim survives the 1st shot and impact, it will take a long time before he can catch his breath again and may pass out from lack of oxygen. I don't think someone would be able to survive that impact.

[@williamsweet7511]

Over 3,000 ft/lb of energy, can you imagine how that would feel. It would knock you off your feet is it didn't go through you.

[@robg8433]

That'll tenderize yer steak...🥩👈🏽

[@aaron5270]

Great video choice.

[@philosophicalneanderthal5501]

I'm shocked after the 2nd round it wasn't just punching straight through.

[@johncoleman2495]

It's all about bullet integrity. It's an expanding (light for caliber) hunting bullet not really designed for penetration. It would also appear from the lack of recoil it's also loaded to standard pressure (or there about) and not really indicative of what the 45/70 is capable of.

[@mikereese15]

Awesome

[@tomcampable]

I got a question you’re showing your shots so close of course you’re going to get penetration and knockdown but why not show your shots at 100 yards, 30 and500 yards like they’re supposed to be to see what the effect would be

[@joeymurphy5617]

The plate would stop the bullet but whoever got hit, their insides would still be a bowl of chili

[@michaelatkin9649]

Do the 50-110WC on that plate now

[@user-iy7ss2dz9m]

That ting prolly give you heart att on impact 😂😮

[@andrewsteele7663]

Good morning, Ryan & Dorr great beards. I am a huge fan of the way the classic lever action being brought into the Tacticool world. My present project is a Rossi Citadel in 357. I am saving the Oz version of cash to get myself a Ranger Point stock. Cheers

[@roobscoob47]

Don't let the Dorr hit you in the ass~

[@JamesWilliams-cc1ow]

That is hardly a full power lever gun load. The gummy tip FTX is not designed for penetration. Need to try some full power Lever Gun loads with the monolithic heavies.

[@ellwoodwolf]

.416 rigby brass core. .... that should do it.

[@telesniper2]

try steel core bullets

[@johncoleman2495]

Leaning a plate isn't a realistic test. Without it solidly supported by something to simulate the mass of the human torso gives you no indication of what the plate is capable of.

[@donoakes3928]

Not a super velocity heavy round, we all hear it. But for giggles if a 500 didn't penetrate? That plate would be punching your sternum against your spine! But we all know that it would probably thread the material through you

[@tonyg25]

Oxxide collab when?

[@weird1ish]

"Not known for its penetration" LOL maybe 20 years ago with loads safe for all guns. A modern lever gun in 45-70 with loads designed for them that is a test to see. I don't care what loads from 100 years ago will do to modern armor. Try some modern loads designed for a modern lever gun to stop brown bear and other deadly game say from manufacturers like Garrett Cartridges, Buffalo Bore et al. Also put some poster board on all 4 sides and show how much spalling exits the coating a sliver or two of jacket or part of that plate to a carotid artery will take you out even if the plate "stops" the projectile.

[@chrisgeist9046]

Those are low power rnds doesnt count. Try 325 grn hornady ftx or hsm 430grn. Try real rnds

[@litsci4690]

Broken bones and internal bleeding.

[@PreppedReView]

Y'all need to use hotter ammo

[@oscarfloyd2678]

Right? a 250Gr .45-70 is nothing. The original Govt loads are 500grains (albeit with a blackpowder charge behind it)

[@PreppedReView]

@@oscarfloyd2678 yeah I agree. I got 225gr. All brass at 2750 fps ! It's from underwood with that material at that velocity it would have to go threw

[@johncoleman2495]

I really dislike that term "build" adding some aftermarket furniture and add ons to an otherwise stock rifle does not constitute a build.

[@ericthomas9915]

🎄

[@R.Sole88109]

I bet the blunt force trauma knocks the nuts out of your shit getting hit by that round, especially at heavier weights.

[@MattSpinks]

Gloves? I can't be the only person wondering why the gloves. All the time. Are you wearting them now?

[@dsxz]

those are made for hunting, theyre glorified hollow points

[@pg234forreal]

Let’s see it vs a 458 socom, 308, 12g slug

[@EugeneWorth]

Try hard cast