B-17 Flying Fortress : The Mighty 8th Redux | Misbehavin' Crew - Mission 3

[@Mydogdoesthethinkin]

Your navigator desk has a wind drift dial.You need him to adjust that,so it's in sink with the Bombardier wind drift gage. Air speed,ground speed,wind drift,will give your bomb vertical drop.

[@SOLDADITO76]

Been watching the Masters of the Air series, and your navigator being totally lost instantly reminded me of that episode of the series.

[@roberts1938]

The navigator fell asleep during the mission. You would check his pockets to see if he drinks alcohol on the side.

[@slimyflea6973]

it could be that you're bombing from too high an altitude

[@RandomStuff-he7lu]

Like in real life?

[@BENKYism]

It's sad how il-2 sturmovik doesn't have long-range bombers. The variety of aircraft in 1946 and the simplicity of it makes it more fun to play with friends.

[@DL541]

The B-17 that went down at about 20:00 took a pilot/copilot hit. I have never heard of a formation climbing to avoid flak, they would speed up slow down or descend. That way the stragglers had a better chance of keeping up.

[@10_points]

My grampa flew 52 mission in 1943 to 1944. He told me a story of when almost every bomber had an engine out and he said "let me tell you, 9 bombers including me had an engine out and the 2 that were fine weren't about to go ahead of us"

[@DL541]

@@10_points everyone has a story and that is fine. However, damaged B-17’s and 24’s, probably mediums too, were slower and were picked off by fighters. If you look at the German gun camera films, you can see several of the bombers are by themselves and obviously damaged. Not a good situation. When loaded a B-17 or even B-24 could still keep in formation with an engine out. Empty, not so much, and climbing over flak was not feasible for a damaged bird.

[@10_points]

@@DL541 If 2 or 3 random B-17s decided to go ahead they'd be picked off same as if 2 or 3 damaged ones were behind. What I'm saying is, they decided to stick together and they made it home

[@DL541]

@@10_pointsI got it, and I apologize for not saying that is an awesome story. Those guys did everything they could to get each other home.

[@joeaustin4472]

Great episode taff, another.. close but no cigar on the target below.. might be down to bomb sight error, high altitude or maybe even a mere simple miscalculation of speed or wind speeds.. it could be anything. In our case we can merely keep saying the crew is just young and getting the grips of combat, it is still early days so as the game develops and all get to grips with control.. Bullseye after Bullseye will eventually get mastered. Either way went out and faced the enemy, took damage from AAA but there's more air victories added to the tally. Just keep going out and making attempts at destroying the targets, yeah.. the bombs missed.. but any sheep, cows or anything edible in the fields are off the menu for the enemy. Also shook the enemy up so, you know.. there is some minor consolation. Love the series, keep it up and happy hunting mate 👍

[@ASilentWarrior]

Bombs landing to the right of aim point is for sure a bug. I've encountered it every time.

[@gotanon9659]

"its some very advanced vortex machine the Nazi invented with the help of aliens" ~~ History channel probably

[@EggnogTheNog]

Can you get a navigator who’s less likely to fly you to Leningrad?

[@jbarry39]

Thanks for the videos! I named my plane 'Leper Colony'... in honor of 12 O'clock High

[@blairscartoonshistory7477]

Good name 👍

[@SeargentBarnes]

Hahah classic..

[@booszorg]

Ive read on the microprose discord that someone recommended aiming to the left of target and that seems to do the trick for me personally. Can't remember if it was noted bug or not.

[@Vipre-]

13:21 Appreciate that, I never could figure out how that was supposed to be used. I'm with everyone else in thinking the bomb sight is misaligned somehow. It always seems to pull to the right no matter how steady the image.

[@Vipre-]

Apparently the image/crosshairs was in fact misaligned. Supposedly has been fixed in the most recent update.

[@Perktube1]

18:04 - Flak sounds like a jazz drum solo.😅

[@nickk8762]

Thanks Taff! Really enjoy these series. Thanks for the channel, nice and chilled out, just what I need after a long day. Thanks!

[@Goodiej17]

Reading the discord the bombing, it maybe a bug.. The crew ghosting is a bug introduced in the latest patch. The are at their positions, but you can't see them or select them on their picture. If you switch to a crew in a different compartment using the shift and number key and them switch back, they will reappear. But them another one will ghost. (Also thanks showing the wounded discharge orders. I didn't know you could do that.)

[@kylesievers5034]

Why does the flak hitting the plane actually make a good beat like wtf like the little peppering of the shrapnel

[@JoeC-bz2ep]

Its that raw crew. They will improve.

[@Volron]

I mentioned this in an "older" video, but wanted to bring it to a newer one. It is a copy-pasta, but: I really hope they add more targets with the Redux (OG). One example: In the original game, Power Plants/Stations were a target, but in my numerous runs were only a tertiary target. I was sad to see that they were not even a thing in The Mighty 8th (new). Another thing that bugged me a bit was that the "new" game still had the same amount of aircraft that the OG had. At least the other bombers actually shot at things, unlike the OG. One thing that made me happy, but also sad, was the inclusion of the 109 (OG didn't have), but we lost the 110 (OG had). While I was happy that they added escorts (OG didn't have), I don't remember the P-38 being in the "new" one, and they definitely did not have Spitfires (which the OG also mentioned but of course didn't have). But out of all that, what actually pissed me off was the lack of "effort" from the Luftwaffe in the "new" one. I've played both a CONSIDERABLE amount of time (though I have forgotten a bit for both I DEFINITELY remember this). In the "new" one, you only got intercepted TWICE! That is right, only TWICE in ALL the time you were in German airspace, even DEEP raids, intercepted TWICE. In the OG, they HOUNDED you THROUGHOUT your time in their airspace. "The moment you were in German airspace, Germans would "escort" you to and from target till you left their airspace." There were 2 intercepts PER airfield. Depending on how deep you went into their direct airspace, you would get intercepted twice PER airfield. The exception is if you "glanced" their direct airspace. In one raid I clearly remember, I got 14 kills (which I ran out of ammo on the tail, ball, and top turret) because I was flying through so many airfield's direct space. I hope for the love of this game series they bring back the OG Luftwaffe aggression (and of course the 110).

[@darriusdias]

53 miles off course! 😬 Taff maybe the bomb sights are off like the tail gun's sights.

[@tinmanpickle7212]

I believe it may help watching the drift of smoke from fire's, see the air drift to shift over more

[@tomblake189]

Loving the series and renewal of streaming xx

[@michaelbourgeault9409]

steady...steady...stay on target...

[@SeargentBarnes]

Navigator to pilot "Im totally lost now"...Great right at the IP

[@RBCharger]

I basically fly as the navigator so to be that far off is amazing. I verify my exact location two or three times over England then again at the coast before leaving land. After I reach land again I verify around every way point. On the initial route, I set the course to fly over the Dutch islands so there are landmarks to check. I see you have both updates loaded. The disappearing crew members bug came with the second update. They aren't having a walkaround. They are actually gone from the plane. I haven't tried it yet but I was thinking of lowering the detail of the B-17 interior in graphics setting. I think they upgraded the detail to 4K with that update so that may be the cause of he bug.

[@michaelwarren1538]

Ditto on the navigation checks, for sure. I remember in the original game following the same thing - checking along the route to landmarks.

[@Brainiacs0]

I see Troxen took over navigation for today!

[@NyteStalker89]

"why are we that far off?" because you adjust your alignment last second and drop before the formation has actually leveled off.. that and ground winds aren't being accounted for.

[@FOX11GUY]

Some say that bomber is still taxing down the runway to this day.

[@LawrenceSeetoh]

Thank you Taff

[@RommelsAsparagus]

I think from Angels 25, that maybe the wind simply took the bombs despite the aircraft flying straight in line.

[@redguard2946]

Sweet vid ! By coming in at a much higher alt, your aim needs to be much more accurate😜 Great to hear hats are now working - will try this weekend

[@erichammer2751]

Third mission the formation drifted right. Might be a good idea to take that into account next time.

[@jekylthorn8969]

Always recheck the drift after making even the tiniest course correction.

[@memphisbellend3854]

I approve of this message.

[@DAGO58]

The in tray on the far left of your office has mail in it, sometimes it’s has citations and information about your crew

[@lepaul26]

I have the game on CD. They should do a total remake of this, to todays standards of graphics

[@robertowens5859]

I've heard there is a bug that makes you bombs hit too far to the right of your aiming point.. you may want to compensate by aiming more to the left of your intended target.

[@badsidionjones2679]

Since you keep missing to the right of where you're aiming. Maybe start aiming to the left of where you want to hit.

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

It was Göring´s birthday. All Luftwaffe pilots had one day off.

[@PapagenoX09]

That was another weird thing that smells of "bug."

[@ericweeks8386]

What am I doing wrong to make the bombardier and sometimes the navigator go "missing in action"? Can't switch to them, except by frantically trying everything and eventually I get on the navigator, and then I have to switch to an invisible bomber guy and manually select his equipment view? Just wasted an entire flight because of the "drift to end all drifts" took my aim point about 3km to the right of where I left it, even though I had it all drifted up using the navigator (I wonder if the AI navigator is overriding my setting?) Highly frustrating. The #1 thing this remake needs to fix is the keybinds/interface.

[@cuttablespark1812]

I have been having issues with bomb dropping, bombs seem to drop in very random places. Drift will be one way while the bombs fall the other or no drift and the bombs are half a town away.

[@Douglove83]

Every time I get to mission three game freezes,getting old not sure what to do

[@ViperPilot16]

Your Navigator's last name should be Crosby lol.

[@cowboy10uk]

Honestly starting to think the inaccurate bomb drops are a bug, doesn’t matter what settings I use, or any of my mates use it always hits to the right no matter what. Driving me nuts, also how on earth do you get the bombing console up to reduce the drop length. I know it should be space, but everytime I press that it jumps to the ammo view for the tail gunner. Will admit that I’m finding an awful lot more bugs than I was expecting with B17.

[@IamHoly....]

Cheers Mate....

[@isidroramos1073]

IIRC your group has lost four bombers in three missions, which is perfectly reasonable... but no one has survived in them, 40 crew, 40 KIA, and that's quite surprising. I can't remember if that used to happen in the original game (which I played back in the day) but it sure seems like something is amiss.

[@colindouglas7769]

It's not surprising if your pilot and co-pilot get an 88mm shell burst right under the jaximus-maximus like Ack Ack Annie did! Ouchie!

[@erichammer2751]

@@colindouglas7769 Sure, but four of the casualties last mission ditched into the Channel, and Air/Sea rescue didn't recover a single sodding bastard. That seems... unlikely.

[@jeromyfisher297]

Navigation is tricky when he reading it upside down

[@fastfed]

I could have sworn playing back in the day I was always 25-30k in altitude, every mission Im playing im at 14-15k in altitude

[@Joe-sc8fu]

Dumb question, but htis has been bugging me. Will there be tables added in for the books to sit on, or will it always just be a pitch black background. I love the old version, But I very much dislike how some of the most basic things of the original are somehwhat omitted, even if they didnt affect gameplay. Also, do you think they will fix the texture of the Nordern Bomb sight to not have that one knob poke over the other texture.

[@Rifin-pu2hb]

Hey, can someone please tell me how to adjust the wind drift thingy on the navigator desk? It can't be controlled manually with mouse and I can't find the keybind. Man, I hope the new B-17 game have a more simple control layout, just because it's a simulator doesn't mean it needs to have such complicated control. Let me adjust the bombsight and steer the plane with wasd, it's not immersive when I have to search for a key to turn my head to left and right.

[@SeargentBarnes]

you need to take over control with the "m" key first i believe...Then you can use arrow left and right

[@Rifin-pu2hb]

@@SeargentBarnes Thank you, I tested it but arrow keys did not work. So I mashed every keys on my keyboard and the ones that worked are Z and V keys. Man, the manual lied to me, they said mouse would work [π_π]

[@SeargentBarnes]

@@Rifin-pu2hb You have to bind the arrow keys to the plane controls..in control options. change turn left and right and up and down from the stupid ";" keys to arrow left right up down.. that will also change the gun controls to the plane controls.

[@Rifin-pu2hb]

@@SeargentBarnes Now I just need to scroll through a hundred of overcomplicated list of control. And by “scroll” I mean tediously clicking the ‘down button’ on the screen because you can't use scroll wheel on your mouse to scroll down the list. XD Thanks btw, I though no one would ever answer my question

[@td4068]

Hi, i have a question. How long does a mission take without cuts für the youtube video? Is there a way to speed up the time to play such mission in maybe 30min - 1h or do i need to have time for 2-4 hours or more?

[@loadingscreentipguy]

You can skip time. It will pause when something happens like fighters scrambling or entering flak.

[@cpresuttis]

could you maybe do a video on what button mao you have for your controller if you use one? if not whats your set up to actually play this game?

[@mikemontgomery2654]

I think you’re too high on your run. 15,000 ft will be more accurate but, dangerous. Even 20,000 might be too high. Another thing to consider, did you recalculate for drift as you made your final drop point?

[@lohrtom]

That’s not a target ring, it’s a crop circle.

[@riesmewd]

Are there any sound or skin mods for this yet? Nice video 👍🏻

[@reapersteelwolf4327]

how do you control the bombsight

[@Goodiej17]

Go into manual mode, (M). (Shift-K) to toggle back and forth from search mode (where you can move the crosshairs around freely) and target lock. You will see the yellow light on when in search mode. When locked move the controller up or down to keep the sight in the vertical positioning. Hold the B key for finer movements. Hold the N key and move the controller left or right to adjust for wind drift. Don't make large adjustments and wait for the plane to settle as the plane can really start drifting and it can be difficult to get it back.

[@reapersteelwolf4327]

@@Goodiej17 this is for mouse and keyboard ya

[@erichammer2751]

It does seem very strange (and unrealistic) that the game allows a very junior 2nd Lieutenant to change the mission profile for an entire group of heavy bombers. It's not like you're the CO, after all.

[@tomblake189]

Is this a worse navigator than Trox3n?

[@jameslanz2117]

You were off a bit. I guess maybe 20,000 feet would have been better than 25K?

[@stephanemoreau-nf4ie]

Hello , how to fix the navigation when the navigator say help ; thx

[@ericweeks8386]

You have to manually "find" the location of the plane and move it there, doesn't have to be perfect, not sure how you can tell when it is close enough, but I just keep it manual till I am sure where I am and then let him get lost again :)..

[@blackvulture6818]

Navigator? More like navigain'tor

[@Gekke_Nedje]

I picked this game up thanks to you. Now I'm waiting for proper tutorials because everything other than the first tutorial is ????

[@Vipre-]

The instructions for those others are in the manual.

[@Mydogdoesthethinkin]

I played this game years ago,printed out the whole manual,thick as a book😂

[@Vipre-]

@@Mydogdoesthethinkin Miss the days when games would come with "books". The one for Pharoah was full of information about aspects of everyday life in ancient Egypt.

[@Mydogdoesthethinkin]

@@Vipre- don't get me wrong. I could have have started a real B-17, 20 yrs ago 😆 best sim ever,IMO.

[@PapagenoX09]

Heck, my first tutorial bugged out on me. I played the old Y2K version back when, so I probably have that old manual lying around--wonder if they've done a lot of updates that would make that one obsolete?

[@daveharringbone8512]

The b17 was primitive

[@ViperPilot16]

You don't say

[@NotAFirefighter1]

Bro this shit is carrying the same bugs as the original. So low effort😢

[@matthewrosengren2813]

Great episode, Taff. That round marker you showed us after you took off might be a great way to practice your bombing and, like the rest of the comments for this video, try aiming to the left of the target. Keep up the great work. Cheers🫡

[@jamesrussell7760]

This was the second time for a miss to the right. Looks like a bug to me. There's no telling what weird shit may be in the code for this redux version. Note @jordangibbs4113 comment. Also comment by @Jdc308 about consistent bombing error to the right. Maybe try moving aiming point to the left and see what happens.