Camera Ramble: Leica M10 & Lessons Learned

[@ChrisSaunders]

New Leica shooter here. I’ve been through the gauntlet of major camera makers, and while I enjoy some other systems, I have an M10-P because there is no other system on the market that is so compact with such high quality glass available. I also have film bodies it’s great to move the same fantastic glass between film and digital.

[@cggg490]

I moved from Fuji over to an M9 a couple of years ago. Just got an M10-P a couple of months ago and it's just a game changer. The quality and build of the M10-P is perfection.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

thats a great ability to switch between film and digital bodies. It isn't the kit for me right now but if I wasn't a working photographer I'm sure I'd be happy with a leica system.

[@anthonymiller8979]

I am so glad I took the step to a digital M (M9). I shot film for over 45 years and tried digital a few times but just didn't care for the DSLR feel.....I like my film M bodies. At this stage in life (67) I simply do not feel like developing and scanning nor being retired want to pay for these services. Grabbed an M8 as it was the least expensive m digital and loved it. Same feel, same handling, but pics to enjoy and share the same day I shot them. I have found digital did not make me shoot a lot more frames. Like you, around 200 for a full day focused on photography. Most were doubles, two frame shot as protection in case there was camera shake or a little misalignment in framing. Once downloaded I typically make a quick decision on which frame is best and delete the other to minimize storage space. I go out and shoot once a week, now, sometimes twice rather than once every two months as I did with film.

[@AlexKroke]

I love the M10-R and lenses for personal and documentary work. Forget film. The more you shoot the more you grow as a photographer. Great video!

[@rockymhs]

Just stumbled upon this video. I see the point of the author. As a working professional, it probably does not make sense to spend such a big sum of money into a system that you probably will not be using because you already have an awesome system in place for your work (e.g. Sony). As for me, it is just inspiring to carry the M camera around to take photos, which I would not likely to do with other cameras. I agree with you that the act of capturing the moments with any camera is very important, and may be the sole reason to take photos in the first place. However, my phone camera does not inspire me to take photos, and there is just something about the mechanical/hands-on aspect of the M cameras that makes you feel more attached to the photos that you create. At the end, It comes down to you personal preference, and the availability of resources.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Appreciate the response to the video. I think you bring up a lot of good points, especially my struggle between what makes more logical sense versus what I want deep down.

[@qnetx]

I have a Monochrom M type 240 and an M4P. They suit my needs in ways that my other digital and film cameras don’t. I have no regrets and enjoy them both in different ways.

[@paulsehstedt6275]

Interesting POV. I'm a professional press photographer and I use an M-P240 with a Summilux 50/1.4 and a Q as my daily kit. Together it does 94% of all my photography, the rest is done with a Lumix GX8 with a 100-400 for nature etc. M means back to basics for me.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

love to hear that you are using it in a professional setting. If i picked one up I'd hope to do the same.

[@joelkoff1933]

I have an M10 that I have been shooting for a few months now. I love the photos that I get and I wish I had time to do more with my camera. The idea of 24 MP for each image is amazing. I'm going to shoot with this camera fro years to come but will probably end up with an M11 soon!

[@andysheridan340]

Intrest video. I have just bought an M10 and the first lens is a 50mm (zeiss). While I'm not a pro, I have a lot of Sony gear for Motorsport and other sports. The reason for buying the M10 was something was missing when doing street or landscapes, with the Sony gear. For a photographer, it's the experience of taking the photo, the way the M10 (and other rangefinders) work. This is what I was missing, while others just want an image on their phone. So do what makes you happy !

[@superkrell]

My choice from film to digital happened when the costs of film, optical prints, flash drives, premium scans and shipping costs were over $100 a roll. My film camera is a Nikon F2 and was curious about the Leica MD 262 after Thorsten Overgaard`s video. As it happened, I did manage to purchase a mint condition MD 262 over at KEH camera! The images from the SD card, RAW, to computer were mesmerizing. Film still has a spot but it`s much smaller now...!

[@SourPlanet]

I think you'll eventually find that shooting with a cellphone as an EDC will begin to feel wrong. Yes, it's logical. Yes, it's convenient. Yes, the image quality is quite good. But, at the end of the day, it doesn't *feel* like photography. The physical process, holding a phone out at arms length and composing with a screen.. immediate feedback all the time.. no relevant choice with focus decisions, etc. All it offers is a photo. Fine and well, but in absence of the experience a photo can lose part of it's soul, imo. Probably just me being too in those feelings lol

[@ThomasSkrlj]

You're totally right. Two years later I of course use my phone like everyone else but I am exploring smaller options to have a more dedicated camera. I have the Hasselblad when I really want to think but am liking the GR for an everyday or causal use camera. Plus a lot cheaper so I wouldn't baby it. Havent pulled the trigger on anything yet though!

[@nxtlightdesign7440]

Amazing recovery of the shadows in the M10-R, so lean a little toward under exposing. Then add a great lens to get great images!

[@charliipresley]

Dude you’re so right. I’m eyeing a Leica M6 or digital M as the tool to capture my first kids childhood (due in December, so I have time). Recently I started taking my iPhone with me, I shoot in RAW and other than DOF, I look at the edited photos and feel like this is all I need. However I’m still drawn to that red dot for this idea that “it inspires me to shoot” …

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Totally agree the inspiration needs to be there. I think you can get some inspo from the iphone it just requires some re-training of how you view a phone as a camera. Hard to say but I'll be upgrading my phone this fall and im curious to see how that works out.

[@steveo85]

“Sold my M8, not sure why…” Love that comment. I’m going through the same thing. I had a wonderful M8 with the 1/4000th updated shutter. Beautiful appearance and perfect function. Shot it for a little over a year but started worrying about the inevitable mechanical failures down the road. Sold it for more than I paid when I bought it so that is a bit consoling. Still miss it though.

[@hellatightdude]

I thought he said M-A…

[@MB-or8js]

Leica user here, too. Shooting film with my M3/M6 and digital with M-E 240. Enjoyed your video! I shoot both film and digital Ms - shooting with each is a different experience. I sometimes feel more like going out shooting film, other times more digital. I had a few occasions where I decided not to take my Leica gear when I ventured to sketchy areas - I decided to take cheaper gear instead here. This is to me a major culprit with Leica: the value can be hindering me to take the gear with me anywhere or even having it placed within a bag in my car for a short time. This factor is not often mentioned, but it is certainly an issue many Leica users share. I don't like using my cell for taking photos - I don't see it as extension of my eye by staring on the screen instead of looking through a viewfinder. I use my cellphone camera only for quick snapshots.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Yeah it's tough to bring everywhere. It woudl be different if i was their target market and that kind of a purchase was small for me. I would probably not care about it then but I think too much about things like resale and keeping it safe which is a toxic mentality to have with a tool. As for the phone. I completely agree. I got the 13pro and returned it. I didn't like the files and using it. I think something like a x100 would be more my taste due to the IQ, form factor and the price is just right where it is significant but I cant think of a situation where I would be worried about it. And this is coming from someone who nearly froze a MA and took a hasselblad skiing haha.

[@MB-or8js]

@@ThomasSkrlj Good and valid points! I never considered Fuji due to their resistance to release full frame MLCs. I often shoot wide and ultra wide, so a cropped sensor doesn't work for me. I only buy used gear these days. Brand new every camera is too expensive now for my taste.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

@@MB-or8js yeah the lack of FF is irritating. I think that is why the Q line is such a winner

[@MB-or8js]

@@ThomasSkrlj make the Q with exchangeable mount, and Leica would have another winner for sure.

[@Ben-cx8de]

Over the last four years I have had and sold both the M10 and the M10d whilst looking for a film like digital M experience and neither did it for me. I didn't like the files they produced, they were too flat and the dynamic range just wasn't there. I prefer the files I get from my work cameras (Canon). A film MP comes with me on family trips and weekends away, no batteries a few rolls of film, it's simplicity in itself. I also appreciate that the negatives can be archived so when I am older and have more time I can revisited them, scan and print from them again. For an everyday pocket cam I now use the Ricoh GR III and I really like it, it's unassuming as most people think you are using a phone and the results are really satisfying, great colours and they have a nice look to them.

[@Narsuitus]

I was a Leica M shooter for years. I used the following lenses on my Leica M6: 90mm f/2 35mm f/1.4 21mm f/1.4 I waited years for Leica to produce a digital camera that I liked. The M10 was the first that I liked because it was similar in form and function to my M6. However, the first M10 I bought in 2017 was so defective that Leica gave me a full refund. The second M10, I bought used, and it spent more time in the repair shop than I spent shooting with it. I will probably never buy another Leica digital.

[@electrichimp]

Why not a Ricoh GR? I find it to be great for to interrumpting a moment or intimidating people

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Love the GR series. I think a GR iv whenever it comes out or a X100 would be a much better setup for me. I just need something I wont baby and will still get great results with.

[@electrichimp]

@@ThomasSkrlj yeah I'm waiting for the IV as well. Got into the GR system with the GR II (found it at a bargain price of 300 bucks). and it has ended being the camera I use the most. It's always with me and it never feels like a burden or an interrumption to the moment. And it has made me a 28mm lover.

[@licadica]

Thomas, could you share the details of that camera strap?

[@ThomasSkrlj]

This one is a Gordys Camera Strap

[@rio_nakayama]

I used to use M10 then jump to M10-D. I personally love using the M digital systems in general (tried M-E and M240 as well) and I get that they are expensive gears and should not be the thing that motivated you to take pictures. For me personally there's a difference between wanting a beautiful gears with photography itself. Some buys expensive gears because of their love of designs and beautiful craftsmanship (what ever the camera is). Some are motivated more on learning photography than the gear itself. If you are both, then I think you have to be motivated to keep learning despite of gear but feel that you deserve a camera you'd love to use despite what other say (with cost in consideration of course). I hope that makes sense.. great video btw, I really enjoyed it :) PS: what ever you decide, I strongly suggest you not to sell those lenses.. you might regret it. Good luck to you, Cheers!

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Selling the lenses will be a hard one. I think I am going to sit on them a bit longer to see what the M11 does to the market. I love your point about having something beautiful to use because I think that can be a motivation in itself. Thanks so much for the well-thought-out comment!

[@rio_nakayama]

@@ThomasSkrlj just glad if it helps. Off course by the end of the day it's your choice. Everyone's different. Hope you'll find "the one" :)

[@dazNilo]

why dont you just shoot your beloved M lenses on your Sony? I have done that for years, was always a great pleasure using these lovely lenses with manual focus on sony bodys. To me the viewfinder on digital M´s seemes too cluttered in comparison to my analog M. Now I have my Sonys for work, analog M for 35mm and a GFX 50R for fine-art personal projects. Will be selling my Mamiya 7 as it didnt let me frame as precisely as I´m used to with EVFs.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

I do use them on occasion! To me, the experience is so different though. I'm conditioned to think AF when using my Sony

[@austiinjohn]

i have a canon r5 for my commercial photo/video and an m10 for personal. although that price tag of the m10 really hurt… the joy it brings is priceless. i know my r5 files are better but i’m just not looking for perfection in my personal work. the process of shooting on an m inspires me to shoot more and that’s all i needed to justify the price. good luck on the decision between a digital or film m though!

[@colinosullivan930]

Good video mate. I’ve been sitting on the fence for a new digital m since I got my m8.2 haha so that must be a record ??? I’m like you seeing what the m11 does to m10 prices and the. Like a clown I’ll go get an MP ;)

[@colinosullivan930]

I should have added, I still shoot the m8.2 for family stuff, as recently as today oh the Killarney national park here in Ireland! Along with my m4 and barnack.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

@@colinosullivan930 Ah I loved Kilarney! I was there back in 2018. Thats great to hear you have had such longevity out of the M8.2. I agree with waiting to see what the m11 does to the market :)

[@colinosullivan930]

@@ThomasSkrlj Killarney is special for sure. Off to the Gap of Dunloe tomrorow. Yes for sure the m8.2 owes me nothing at this stage having towed it to 4 continents multiple times, to places m cameras probably aren’t ideal. i will never sell it even if it becomes an expensive paper weight! Subscribed.

[@al404]

Waiting for M11 announcement hoping previous model price will drop.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

same haha

[@GamachePhoto]

Thanks for the video, nice to hear your thinking.

[@torchbox]

I appreciate your honesty. 🙏🏼

[@andyjones5192]

Like your thoughts. For professional work I still use a DSLR of a Japanese manufacturer. I would never consider taking it along for my private photography or enjoyment. It’s heavy and obstructive. I always choose the camera as light and small as possible for my private work still the process needs to be enjoyable. If it’s an iPhone, a GR or even a Leica M is up to you. Isn’t it nice to have such issues at the end of 2021?

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Completely agree, and you are right. We live in an age with so much choice what you want can become clouded.

[@nwwwbbb]

Just got an M10p and yea I agree, as much as I love the rangefinder method -having my phone for just the spur of the moment shots is always handy. Anyway I enjoyed this video, thanks for sharing your thoughts. It was informative and sort of an eye opener about gear and how sometimes just the simplest one can be the most useful or effective-plus you're cute so it was fun to watch haha.

[@davidwamback9000]

If you love your Leica lenses, you can have the best of both worlds (the Sony sensor highlight retention & latatude with that Leica lens rendering) usung those lenses on your Sony body with an adapter. These adapters won't break the bank. Nothing to lose.

[@alanplatt888]

Get the digital M. I think you want one. I have one, maybe not the best camera but it's so different in a special way, as are the files. Thanks for the video.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Deep down i know you are right haha

[@TheVFXbyArt]

50 sumilux and 28summicron? Love that combi!

[@MarcS4R]

Very honest review and it reflects how I felt about the m10. I ended up selling mine and using and SL2s alongside my GFX for client work, for personal stuff i can throw on some M Glass which works amazing on it. I did keep my film M though :)

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Yeah I do enjoy adapting to my SOnys ever now and then. While the experience isnt the same it is nice to still get that M rendering.

[@jspark140]

It’s been a while. Welcome back:)

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Always happy to be back. I have another video in the works similar to my winter camping video. Just waiting on scans

[@sebsrey]

Wonderful video and scary relatable to my own thoughts. Thanks 🙏🏽

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Thank you. I think it is something a lot of photographers get caught up in as we chase and justify more and more expensive gear while the results of that expense diminish,

[@licadica]

subscribed, Great photos.

[@alexc8512]

I don’t know when I went on trips I understand that my camera is less convenient than my new iPhone. But when I viewed my photos I did not love any of my phone photos more than my Leica. Cmon if I liked the iPhone more or the same I would not be spending thousands on a camera…..

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Yeah I see where you’re coming from but I think you’re missing the point that I’m trying to make. The moments I get with the convenience of an iPhone I love regardless of the quality. I do feel the desire for a higher quality camera like a GR or x100, something quick, easy and much more affordable but with the Leica you are required to think more and you can miss stuff because sometimes what you’re witnessing isn’t “good” for a photo. This is also coming from a working photographer. If I didn’t already have an in depth kit. I’m sure I’d shell out for a Leica as my main or only camera but as of right now, when I’m not working I want something I don’t have to worry about

[@dgoullet1]

M10R?

[@ThomasSkrlj]

i'll have to see how the M11 affects prices but i like the idea of it for sure.

[@jklphoto]

Wow, that was quite a ramble. In the end, we are spoilt for choice, no? Does anyone "need" a Leica rangefinder? No. However, a case could be made that since you already own two excellent Leica-M lenses, why not a body? The M10 isn't going to depreciate much more, so the cost of ownership is actually quite low.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

haha I was honest with the title! You bring up a really good point. May be something worth exploring. Selling them will never be easy.

[@jklphoto]

I bought an SL (601) to have a digital Leica for my M-glass that I was using with my M4-P. Film Leicas have become so valued, I couldn't resist selling it. After having the SL, I decided to try some L-mount AF lenses. The SL platform is nothing like the M, but does offer users the ability to use M-lenses manually. Do you see yourself adapting your Leica 28mm or 50mm onto your Sony system?

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Yeah I’ve adapted quite a bit but as I get better Sony GM glass is rather take advantage of the auto focus. To me I only want to use it on a rangefinder

[@bernardlesperance742]

Thanks for your thoughts. The overall impression I had by the end of the video is that you seem quite ambivalent about the M10 for a number of reasons, which you run through in the video. Perhaps you should take time to test as many cameras as you can (borrowing or renting them, etc.) before making a decision. You may simply be stuck on the IDEA of using or owning an M (or any other particular camera) and it keeps on pulling you in . . . but then when you get one or try one out, you don't seem to truly 'bond' with it . . . you remain ambivalent. Perhaps you should take your time and remain open until you find a camera that really speaks to you and you KNOW without any doubt it is the one for you. You will know when you find it, there won't be any if's or buts or second guessing whatsoever. I don't think you are there yet. And remember the old adage: The best camera is the one you've got . . . and, I would add, it is only as good as you are.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

You hit the nail on the head. Love this response.

[@TheVFXbyArt]

Hmmm computational snapshots vs leica photography. For family I use iphone. For street photography and candid family stuff I use a fuji with leica glass. The fuji with the film sims and the leica rendering are an awesome combo. It produces stunning jpgs that can cut out alot of post processing. Use RawCurves on an ios device to edit the jpgs if you want. For me, iphones give you an objective image while the fuji/leica give you a subjective image. If you are looking for objective images, your leica is screwed! Try an xt3 (not an xt4) or an xpro3.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

After using the 13pro this past weekend I understand 100% what you mean by computational. Even compared to my older 8 the files just reek of software. TO be honest I am not really a fan haha.

[@TheVFXbyArt]

@@ThomasSkrlj What I mean of computational photography, especially in the iphone 13, are the user friendly results. So when your sister takes a family pix in the sunny out doors, the photo just looks “right”. What she is unaware about is that the phone took an HDR to make the bright sky and the shadows under chins look normal. That it used Lidar data to calculate DOF. Thats fine, that means we ALL get better family photos. But what if you want to take backlit photos, or use shadows the way youtube photographer sean tucker does, or use the 50 summilux to take a backlit portrait of someone with frizzy hair, basically “unperfect” that create art. Similar to how in film, accidents gave us cross processing, bleach bypass and pushed negatives… and digital took AWAY those accidents, computational photography will undo what little experimentation thats left in photography, always giving you the perfect image. Look at the lensbaby product line… giving us purpose built imperfect lenses to experiment!

[@ThomasSkrlj]

@@TheVFXbyArt love this response, so well put.

[@ankerwiedemann]

Interesting limbo discussion you're having in the video. The comparison with the iPhone (which was my digital camera for the past many years) which in a way both makes perfect sense and no sense at all. If you don't care about photography but just want to make snapshots with family, then the iPhone assures "good" pictures in almost all situations. But they are stereotype with the same much to well known focal length that everyone shoots with and a big depth of field. Predictable and boring - everyone wants to show and share, but no one cares to take an interest in. You can do more with an iPhone - also fun sophisticated things, but the absence of intuitive buttons make it less user friendly. A Leica M, however is an almost fully manual camera. Slow to use, forces you to be attentive to what you are doing but with proper well prepared settings for your planned shots also extremely fast and a no hassle camera for documenting and reporting and a rewarding camera for stunning portraits, architectural og landscape photography, when you bother to work with all of your knowlege and experience to create artwork. As for the latter, lenses di matter, and you have the opportunity to express yourself in all but clinical correctness thanks to the array of vintage lenses since 1920. A friend of mine gave me a Leica R5 SLR for which I bought a Summicron 50 and Elmarit 90 lens as a reentry into photography. It gave me back the love for it and inspired me to go digital with a Leica M10, and I just love the experience. The camera doesn't take the pictures - I do. Whether I sink or swim, it's my doing. I also have Leica V-Lux with all the bells and whistles of advanced programmable buttons which served as my stepping stone from R to M, and I rarely use it. I will never get to understand it properly, and I enjoy the uncompromising simplicity of the M. It's like coming home. How I remembered analog photography from way back. But it is not nostalgia to me. It is uncompromising presence when I take the pictures. I sense, you are maturing some of the same thoughts. I hope you will find yourself photography wise and reunify with a manual rangefinder in any shape and form

[@ThomasSkrlj]

You bring up some fantastic points and I am glad you found your match with your daily camera for documenting life. Having been a couple years since the filming of this video there are parts I still stand with and parts I waver from. I do desire something more, something more deliberate but for me it would fall in the realm of a GR or a X100. For me, they are just a better fit in terms of form factor. That and for the money I would rather put the money into my work camera kit rather than just a daily carry. I do admit I miss using the rangefinder though, there is nothing quite like it.

[@aerisurvey4934]

I think you are talking about two different concepts. One, is recording the moments around you, the other is the way you do it, even for personal projects. For the first, why even bother using a camera, you can just use a device that has a camera... and it is what it is, getting a digital file, and it ends there. That´s why the cell phone become the most used device for taking images. However, in my opinion, of course, the photographic process does not start or end with recording a digital file, but the entire process, from equipment selection, based on the experience it provides, how it is used, and printing, with all the difficulties, challenges and failures in between, and it´s even more rewarding with analogue photography. This will never be achieved with a mobile phone. Like that phrase so commonplace, what matters is the path, not the destination. Is like, why bother climb the top of a mountain, if what matters is the top, just rent a helicopter to drop us over there. The goal is achieved.

[@genobambino]

All the reasons you list for not wanting a Leica are the reasons I use one.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

to each their own! some people the flex

[@genobambino]

@@ThomasSkrlj not a flex. I just find they're less conspicuous and take you out of a "pro shooter" operating mode. So in that sense they're more like the phone than a Nikon rig.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

@@genobambino Interesting. I feel like that is also how I interpreted it. Most of my reasons as to why I didn't want one at the time was due to the cost compared to the results as well as just missing stuff due to needed to be in a certain mindset with a rangefinder versus an x100 for example

[@genobambino]

@@ThomasSkrlj yeah the cost is ludicrous. That didn't come across as the main complaint in the video. So, holding it aside, the keeper rate is not very high until you "live in" the cameras for a while and get the feel for how they shoot. By contrast, iPhones are designed to be idiot-proof and always sharp. The flipside of that is the results are rarely artistic or beautiful in the same way. But they're usually better than what a non-photographer can get out of a rangefinder.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

@@genobambino That's spot on. It is near impossible to replicate the experience of a rangefinder. X100 even may look like one but it isn't and doesn't feel remotely close.

[@CrueLoaf]

A good camera makes a good shooting experience. I know how good mobile phones are now but I detest holding that awkward shape of a iPhone. Don’t drop it! Leicas are tactile and simple to use. There are no huge menus systems and a simple choice of aperture. The joy is in the using.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

That is very true. I think that is why I am always interested in film and M bodies. The simplicity is the key.

[@Gj_frames]

wow … I’m not a film shooter (I shoot film but mostly digital. But i must say it’s a big of a stretch to say that a 50mb raw file from a Leica M10 is samesame compared to a iPhone file 😵 And if we forget about the file/result. The experience shooting with an M10 compared to an iPhone is gigantic! I guess some part of you just want to say something that gives reactions. Everyone I’ve been out with thats took photos with their phones and then got my images are blown away by the difference of that “digital file”. 🤷‍♂️

[@ThomasSkrlj]

I think you misinterpreted the whole video. The point of the comparison isn't to say that they are the same file-wise or results-wise. it's to say when you are shooting personal stuff like family or friends it really doesn't matter what you shoot it on. Sure a full-frame sensor will get you a better file but getting that moment is more important than anything else My goal is to get good moments and memories of friends and family when I am shooting for myself. The experience and what fun camera I'm using is secondary. If your goal is to play with a camera then it is a different POV

[@taneltinnuri8985]

Leica is Leica. You cant compare rangefinder focusing system with ANY other photography tool. Nobody gets M for its image quality or speed. And comparing it with an Iphone experience wise is a complete nonsense. Otherwise good thoughts! :) 90% of people dont know or care what tool U have used. With that said: gear doesnt matter but U still want the tool what matters to U

[@bushbeatnik4480]

M10r will give you back highlight recovery. Use the iPhone 13 until the M11 comes out. Then get the R used from all the freaks dumping for new shiny object. While you are waiting once a week pick up your 50 and 28 and pet them. LOL. I have had an M6 and version 4 Cron going back to 1989. Waiting on seeing if I got in line soon enough to get the m10r in black paint. If so will be last M I buy if not regular R and spray paint (commitment over tape) I have been with one “real” camera one lens for so long never in hurry or have need to shoot tons. Have a X100f and phone but still pick my moments. Especially with personal work, never lessen the experience for the documentation of it. This approach will drop your shutter count and keep you in. Well that and ya can’t smell or taste a photo.😜

[@ThomasSkrlj]

Yeah I'm just going to hold them for a bit and see what the market does and where I go in life. I'm with you on keeping the balance between documenting and photographing, you dont want to miss out on moments.

[@MarttiSuomivuori]

Most Leica reviewers are far more focused on their own personality and the status of owning a collection of fifties museum pieces than actually taking pictures. I have two digital Leicas, an M9 and an M10-R. I also have a set of Sony Alphas. They represent a different approach to taking pictures. Sony makes things fast and easy. With the Leicas, you have to stop and think. With cats and little children, this can be problematic. With adults and landscapes, less so. The quality of images makes the effort worthwhile when you nail it. Count on three months of learning curve at least. Leitz lenses are hugely overpriced. You buy them as investments or fetishes. the price of the lens cannot be seen in the final result. Beware of the Leica cultists!

[@thomastuorto9929]

Haven't tested an M but kind of got the I want one. Can't justify spending that kind of cash without a side by side comparison against my current system. You mention the files from the M to the A9. DXO scores the sensor like 14-15 points lower than that of Nikon & Sony sensors. Didn't check Canon. The Nikon & Sony's were there when I logged on because they were the top tested. If I were you, I would just put the lenses away on the back of the shelf & forget about them until you know for sure. Seems to me like you chase a lot of gear or new tech. In most cases it doesn't improve youe photography. If you need a better low light camera with a better dynamic range & it is a must, otherwise.... I have to give credit where it is due , = you titled the video correctly.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

haha it was therapeutic to film the video. I think you're right. I'm just going to hold onto them until I know what I want without the need for external influence. The rat race of keeping up with tech is something I struggle with for sure. Something I need to overcome. This is also strange because I shoot a lot of film without issue but when it comes to digital for some reason I worry.

[@Funktrainer]

I think the Leica M is not the camera for you. If you were convinced by the M system you would just shoot it instead of buying and selling M bodies all the time. That just makes no sense unless buying them for a steal and selling them to some idiots for twice the money. If you use a SONY kit and consider even an iPhone for photography that underlines just more that the M is not the system you might enjoy on the long run. Just sell the Leica glass to someone who understands and appreciates it.

[@ThomasSkrlj]

You could be completely right. The good thing with Leica is if you buy used you don't really lose out on money, something I've been very lucky with so far. It wasn't so much a comparison to the iphone technically, more a mental hurdle i needed to get over with being so focused on gear. An iphone is in a category of its own, not a replacement for any camera.

[@kubowich]

It actually irritates me more when someone mentions Sony in a photography video. More than iPhone :D Sony is such a ugly piece of shit garbage, only half-retard instagrammers use that shit, and Jared Polin….which basicaly just undelines the former

[@ThomasSkrlj]

@@kubowich lol what a terrible take. If you don't see the strength of Sony cameras than you are truly lost.

[@kubowich]

@@ThomasSkrlj uninspiring, ergonomically abysmal, awful green tint (good for teal-orange instagram bullshit) all over the files…and I don’t need the AF to track my heart-rate and blood sugar levels

[@ThomasSkrlj]

@@kubowich Whohc model, did you use a battery grip, what lenses, are you only shooting jpeg, what subject do you shoot, are you a hobbyist or do you shoot for clients? You're missing the point really. The sony cameras are incredibly capable just as any camera is in the right hands. Maybe you're putting too much weight into what camera is used lol

[@nymzoindian7250]

Just your age that is messing you up man. Leica sweet spot is after you turn 40. Jk Jk. Have fun shooting!

[@ThomasSkrlj]

You may have a point there haha