TaiChi 太極推手比賽

[@Kinsanity]

2nd round the guy wearing white shirt. If u pay attention to him u can see that he totally relax his body to listen to his opponent n attacks right before his opponent tries to attack. thats taichi skill there. thanks for posting

[@WarriorBoy]

What an incredible video! That one guy in the black and white is dominating until the Chen Style dude at the end takes him out, it shows that even the best have somebody who's above them. Very cool!

[@davechesser9062]

they're from the same school and are therefore training partners. in cases like this, they usually just quietly decide who will win

[@JackRusher]

Beautiful tui shou, thanks for putting this up.

[@whiddershins]

Fantastic video. Wish we could have more competitions like this in the states.

[@secongaplai]

Thanks for posting.

[@kaichen8011]

白色無袖的是真功夫,他的出手都是用腰跨的力量,而不是用蠻力.­..像第一下摔倒.剛看到會以為是用腳去勾對方.像柔道那樣!實­際是腳下震.用腰跨帶動手扭倒對方..很開心看到這樣的推手..­這才是真功夫..而且當中幾乎沒讓對方切到中線.或觸碰胸腹腋下­~~但看到最後面的部分.很佩服他們能夠收力.(對上前輩時.摔倒之虞還有辦法收力.這很厲害.)

[@manyu6955]

這樣的比赛，完全不對题，太極是這樣嗎？你拉我跐，亂哂大龍，扭曲太極本質，不如改過貼位的比赛名稱，反而受落些。

[@skytte71]

@anhkhoinguyen i agree 100% I have trained Judo, and Tai chi, and while i find that the techniques, for the most part are different. Some/many techniques are also similar. When you compare the principles, they are much more similar/alike.: keeping a low gravity, and a good balanced center, and reversing the opponents force against themselves.

[@MrJaysong93]

不懂情况的人请不要胡乱评论，而且还是写中文字！那几个白衣的是有真正功夫的！

[@TomTom-og3tv]

功夫係有 ! 不過太極成份太小；此君應該是帶功學藝，玩過摔跤嘛 😅

[@white12111]

個人覺得這是很好的比賽!!說用蠻力!選手體格合乎正常人體格!說混入摔角或柔道卻也沒這兩者的動作激烈(試探時)個人看到有太極強調的(聽)至於勾不勾腳,抱不抱人!只要不犯規及可!&四兩撥千斤!!.......也是要有四兩力!方能撥千斤,........結論是與其把太極拳發展成像(閆芳)那種!!我寧可練這種更合乎邏輯與具技擊性的太極拳!!

[@zendao]

last round the black belt guy's arm was hurt by the red belt and the competition stopped. very wonderful push hands skill show.

[@yhchoo]

我比较喜欢这个比赛。不要有太多规则限制，才能把太极发挥到顶点！！！练拳就是为实战。

[@Tf-zx3fh]

沒錯，練拳就是要實戰！好多人根本未打過。

[@古德林-i4v]

玩玩可以，你要是覺得這是太極拳，就差遠了!!! 我跟你講，功夫好一點的， 功夫中等的， 在這種比賽，可以用斜飛、擠、按 這種勁法把人"打飛出去"， 如果用全力， 非死即傷。 真的不是只有傷筋敗骨而已。 ............. 你真的不要幻想這個是太極。 另外，我跟你講，這種比賽，早晚會有人傷亡。 就看哪個功夫好的缺德鬼最早出現 !!!

[@yhchoo]

@@古德林-i4v 那是5年前的看法。当然现在不一样了。。。

[@yifanwei3869]

@@yhchoo 用的都是摔跤，和太极没有任何关系哈哈哈

[@yhchoo]

@@yifanwei3869 真太极没看过。如果说是摔跤也不出奇。但是太极拳应该比较强一些{个人看法}。清朝武官应该都是摔跤高手。当时杨露蝉能够进宫任教必须要有摔跤知识不然会被摔死。太极拳是拳法加摔法。但是现在的太极拳👊变成了太极掌✋或者只有摔没有打。变了！！！形意劈拳也变成形意劈掌✋了。劈拳的实用性不用质疑完全可靠实用。现在的ufc也多用劈拳。就如张伟丽倒地时就挨了两个劈拳！！！

[@shopperman2007]

i liked the lesson in humility in the last round.

[@やくたたず01]

倒れた相手を思い助ける情景素晴らしいです。

[@nkssam]

he is a master...very young and talented

[@Thailearner]

Yeah, it's my less experience on Tai ji. Where's the white come from? And who is theire master?

[@shopperman2007]

this is why i like chen style you will get knocked down if you cant fight. good skill here, thanks for the video please post more of this quality. a chen Fan.!

[@skytte71]

@Thailearner I'f you can't see it. Then maybe you don't want to see it, or don't know how to see it. Or aren't ready to see it... Its obviously that these fights has very good Tai chi elements in it, and yes there are plenty Tai Chi principles being used!

[@nkssam]

i will suggest for those who wants to comment on the tai chi as ( 做戏？表演？) to go for a training on the 太極推手. It is very useful for yourself also.

[@LZ777]

有功夫 但 非太極

[@全爺-r4b]

何霆夜 真實世界的兩人對戰本來就是這樣

[@古德林-i4v]

@@全爺-r4b 真實的世界，功夫不好的太極武者，確實不是 柔道、摔角 的對手 !!!

[@古德林-i4v]

@@全爺-r4b 這個 白衣人 用的是柔道的手法 !!! 雖然，不犯規，但是畢竟不是正道....算是走歪了的修練。 太極拳練到好一點的程度，這柔道到手法就會變成廢物。 .......... 這也是推手比賽的盲點：贏，不表示功夫好 !!! 可能過一陣子會有另一個盲點出現，就是出現"半高手".....使得推手比賽發生危險。

[@全爺-r4b]

sfsdf sfsdf 原來如此，我明白了

[@佐藤あきら-x3u]

@@古德林-i4v 赢了就是正宗，难道说拳王的防守动作不规范就是不正宗的拳击技术嘛。那是个人风格好不好。规则下赢就行了，还要说正宗不正宗的就还是一个遮羞布。

[@jaysay7095]

Nice Tai Chi. Tai Chi and Judo have the same throws, if you watch closely, their applications are different.

[@skytte71]

@Thailearner #LOL sorry, i misunderstood you, about "the white". i thought you meant my skin colour, but instead you meant the white t-shirt. No i have nothing to do with this video :-) Yes, GM Tung Ying Chieh. ;-) I have done competition tuishou before, and the rules here in Denmark looks very similar to the rules in this video. I agree with you, that this kind of tuishou in some aspects could look like judo. But if you look closely, you can see taiji techniques and principles being used. Peace

[@hanchingyeoh450]

同样是推同样是挡同样是摔，但太极不比力气，比下盘，比卸力，比技巧。太极推和其他武术的推不同，摔也不同。

[@presentlee9403]

我最欣賞雷公太極，雷雷的打法

[@TomTom-og3tv]

Han, 有料到👍

[@巫智強]

鬪牛，差太極遠了

[@juin0921]

似乎看不到有太極在裡面

[@TheRetroman68]

Very nice

[@FarP321]

very impressive

[@wenyi9999]

太極=柔道跟摔角麼,那麼豬木跟馬場是不是也算太極高手,過肩摔跟拋摔是不是不應該列入得分標準呢

[@blank_white_paper_revolution]

看着还是摔跤的赶脚！

[@skytte71]

@Thailearner I guess you must refer to me. And if you're being ironic about the less experience. Then let me tell you that you may have experience on practising Taiji and doing friendly tuishou. But my guess is that you have none practical experience with competition tuishou. Because then you would see what i, and others see! Denmark. My master was Tung Kai Ying, his father was Tung Hu Ling who was a famous tuishou practioner. You have a subscriber who uses the picture of Tung Hu Ling, as avatar

[@ChenjiagouEurope]

推手比赛与传统推手不同, 同时禁止 “打击“ 与 “擒拿“ 因此只剩下 “摔法“可用. 因此常常让不懂太极拳的人误解 批评为柔道…. 殊不知柔道, 柔术与合气道发缘於中国太极的部分原理! 如今居然说太极推手为柔道! 真是指鹿为马 把黄金当铜矿, 可悲矣!

[@古德林-i4v]

太極推手是拿來練打飛的，你知道嗎 ??? 推手是練聽勁。 一方推手的時候，給點勁， 另外一方就可以打飛了 !!! 推手，是練打飛的基礎。

[@Thailearner]

skytte71, are you in the white team that defeat opponents in this video. You're right, actually, I haven't seen the competition Tuishou before. About your Master is the direct decendant of GM Tung Ying Chieh, right? GM Tung Ying Chieh is very well known in Thailand. Anyway, nice to know you.

[@DK5478]

陈家沟的运动员不错，懂得适度

[@taichilaboratorytaichiinsc5734]

就算你達到了推手的世界冠軍，最多也只學了半部太極拳。 推手是一種太極拳的練習，不能做為全面性的戰鬥技術， 太極拳要包含擒打摔拿，這裡只有摔技，所以我說半部還算是客氣了。 推手是假設對方在接觸前不打你。 但是大部份的戰鬥，都是在接觸當下就會打了，甚至就結束了。 戰鬥中很重要的，但是推手練不到的，是第一時間的掌握，防止對方打擊(手、腳)，打是可以很快的，用手點一下你就跑。幾下後還是會受傷。 白衣者摔技的確很強，但摔技是近身技(兩人相距一步之內)，但是如果是對手簡單的保持在一步半，到兩步間，進行打了就跑的方式對戰，白衣者的摔技是無法發揮的。 推手沒練到的是，不必要防打，所以可以放心的摔。但是習慣後，反而失去了在戰鬥中最重要的如何防止對方打擊，化解對方攻擊。 簡單的說，白衣者的摔要在戰鬥中能用的上，他要有能力把對手在二步到一步半的距離，縮到一步，或半步，而不被打倒。 要能讓對方在戰鬥中，減速，甚至是失去重心，這才是太極的精華。

[@judobudo666]

很有摔跤性質

[@denishsu8367]

摔角和柔道無誤 不必託言太極

[@jmscheerleadr]

Denis Hsu 太極會說柔道摔角以前是學我們中國太極的，只是太極實戰失傳了而已

[@charlesbetancourt7337]

For starters watch the video Tai chi vs. wrestling maybe Greco Roman angle 1-shadow Xu. The Greco wrestler is on the Chinese national wrestling team.

[@WarriorBoy]

If that's the case then I'm sure that school got a batch of new students that day! That's the best way to determine who's really got it, put it to the test!

[@aredared]

白色練的是柔道吧！ 每一次的摔技都是柔道的影子，看不出來有太極的味道

[@六弦樂樂]

我想看到四兩撥千斤~

[@古德林-i4v]

這個有呀 !!! 柔道就有四兩撥千斤

[@mdub2000]

well they were from the same school.

[@johnnyhu5097]

太极推手本来就有摔法，看了很多比赛，这还是比较好看。

[@古德林-i4v]

太極拳的摔法，大部分都刪掉了。 摔法很少 !!!

[@yozhikazu]

いろんな人がいて面白いですね　足をかけたり跳ね上げて投げ倒すのは摔跤の技の応用かな？　すぐ組み合うしスピーディーなので太極拳の推手らしからぬイメージの人も肩で当たるのはタックルではなく靠で、抱えた形から一瞬捻って倒すのは挒を使っていると思えばまあまあ太極拳と言えなくもないし　低い姿勢から相手を浮かしたり　その場で尻餅つかせる人は太極拳らしく相手の重心をうまく制しているように見えます

[@sowseng]

几位年轻参赛者把太极的松、发劲掌握得不错。这是柔道和摔角所没有，如果比试，我相信太极会胜完。

[@bboyformigify]

oss

[@Thailearner]

Just doubt that if the white fight like this when he face with the opponent who more weight than him, how he can beat with small force and leverage other? I didn't see any thing that comply with Tai ji principle! It's just face to face, and why it needs to limit the weight of two fighters? If it need to have such limitation and fighting like this, it's not the real Taiji!

[@HillardEarl]

Tai chi Vs. Shuai jiao

[@ffffgvgh145]

摔跤和太極融合嗎==?

[@カラシニコフ-j8j]

腕力じゃん‼柔道と相撲だな。

[@nkssam]

on 4:45, someone said "就住" " let water"

[@王大明-r1m]

太極我沒練過,不過白色的應該是柔道或桑搏一類的底子沒錯 還有柔道的技術不是勾就可以了,如果白色衣服沒有柔道底的話,太極的摔法可以說跟柔道幾乎相同

[@philyip4432]

Since I don't know the rules, so all I can appreciate is the atheletism.

[@piaten]

Good skill. However I find it extremely unsportsmanlike that he lost on purpose in the final match! I know, in China, this is the way things are done, when you meet a teammate. But if they had acted like that here in Europe, both players would have been DQed, and the gold medal given to the second runner-up!

[@Thailearner]

Actually, why the real master don't show the real Tai ji fighting for the world.

[@milkdadvn]

白衣很明顯犯規～推手規則不能勾腳，這樣他乾脆去打柔道好了

[@暐暐-i8b]

我參加過的比賽也規定不能勾腳

[@swj3333]

這個是中國那邊的推手規則 跟我國純粹在腰部以上攻防的推手規則不同

[@cxz841122]

雖然是這樣沒錯，不過裁判沒看到 什麼都沒事..

[@king01sg]

百衣的很像王峰

[@yeepo4461]

何来一羽不能加，顶一只牛都可以了！

[@TAOIST-SORCERY]

real tai chi fight

[@dog523178]

1:12~14那個藍色衣服最好笑,他在做太極的型態

[@leophyter]

1:46 有人大聲話：「不知所謂！」

[@mankonghui6258]

推手是這樣？不知如何

[@alliwanttosayis2144]

是这样的

[@mamba109]

He's correct, somewhat. It's a really restricted form of tai chi, encapsulated and stripped down for competition use. And it really depends on the practitioner, one cannot say one is > than the other.

[@huahuachiching6756]

能抓起來摔嗎? 犯規了吧??

[@Kantaan]

白色無袖的是真功夫沒錯，但又不是練太極推手的，是來太極推手這裡亂什麼，來這裡炫耀什麼😂

[@nmslese]

ip man👍👍 this one? this shit???🤔

[@王碩德]

太極加上柔道摔角混合應用

[@KY-fh5kh]

就是摔跤的翻版

[@Aiki_Taichi]

我以前所學的太極拳比賽，是膝蓋以上著地才算得分。 這個比賽，跟我以前所學的一樣。 至於摔、打、截、拿、抓、閉，有人看不慣，那也只能說，他們沒見過，被自家的規矩綁死了。（通常不能打，也不能列，否則會死人的）

[@YunweiDong]

白色衣服的确实厉害，用的都是整劲，一下就发出来

[@user-pb2ww1sv9k]

+testyoutube согласен . 穿白衣服的男人很壮 ！

[@shenju1990]

是誰在練太極~~風生水起~~

[@fabienoculi4938]

Xiang Bo

[@pyyeung5775]

這是太極推手嗎？

[@kairi0621]

太極拳最好可以用力道把人家抱起來 還把人家絆倒? 真的是太悲了!!

[@davy1516]

這叫推手笑大人

[@jimpk1]

咁都算係太極？

[@陳冠哲-t6m]

這叫......太及麻??

[@TomTom-og3tv]

鬥牛？摔跤？ 太極 只係一個招牌嗻 😆😂😆😂

[@魏云飞-y9t]

晕，推手成了摔跤了，你妹啊。

[@jinpaloalto]

No kung Fu! Just brute force and some wrestling techniques. With such skill levels, they can beat regular taichi practitioners, but they won't be able to advance to the level of Olympic wrestling or even regional tournaments.

[@markzz5289]

摔跤嘛!老老实实承认太极不适合实战得了!以前或许适合不过在现代出现太多整合各国搏击技术的现代格斗术。只能说太极没能迈进现在化!修身养性可以为了格斗的话还没学综合格斗术来的实在!

[@iusnokia3350]

柔道比賽應該穿柔道服才對，他們穿的太隨便了

[@jdub7771]

@jfjetjfjet Agree 100%!!!!!!!!

[@sanjuro168]

陳家溝的這個小哥我喜歡,不知道十幾年過去了他有什麼發展? 像這樣的太極人多一點,現在太極也不會被人看扁到這種層度.....

[@brainzhang9343]

As a Chinese,I have to tell you that this is not real TaiChi!!! Absolutely not! I've learned TaiChi for 10 years and I know what TaiChi is.This is wrestling!

[@IanSinclairTaiChi]

If your taijiquan does not include wrestling, then it is not complete.

[@Gieszkanne]

@@IanSinclairTaiChi Wrestling is based mainly on force against force and I think this is what he criticise here.

[@ShredST]

@@Gieszkanne One would think that if their "real" tai chi is good enough, then they shouldn't have a problem dealing with brute force.

[@schwajj]

@@Gieszkanneif it was force against force, we would see a struggle where he tried to apply a move but it was resisted by the opponent’s strength. Instead, we saw him relax until the moment he applied his move, which worked every time because the opponent was not in a position to be able to resist.

[@jimanHK]

it does not look like pushing hands,more like judo,if all the guys would not have allowed the white t-shirt guy come to close,then a different story

[@TheRetroman68]

jiman dont know looks like push hands how we do it in Europe

[@zus08]

根本是槓桿完理鬥搶重心的摔拿技,遇著柔道或蒙古摔相信要叫娘多生幾條脊骨了.

[@kk723456789]

摔交嗎? 好無內家功神韻......太極係咁既咩..@_@

[@hoonjekye1344]

young professional athlete vs old, weak tai-chi amateur. it's meaningless. very disappointing.

[@twjason916]

这是太极还是摔跤？！比谁力气大吗？！好东西全让你们给糟践了！！！

[@Zenovarse]

力气有用，但确实不是推手里最重要的

[@hehehe2696]

電影看太多嘍兄弟

[@johnapperson7495]

A judo championship

[@doctorandrewtam]

根本唔係推手⋯⋯

[@letutor]

Not wrestling. Judo. Judo>Tai Chi. :).

[@AutoTok]

给那些不懂太极推手的人。。 不知道就别装懂。。。