Tai Chi Chee Sau: Visualization & Intent. Erle's lessons part 11

[@ytb460]

I had a very similar lesson in yiquan zhan zhuang. One leg always. Awareness awake, go through the opponent. Great stuff!!! Thanks for sharing.

[@joachimcoonan6255]

Brilliant. As an Ekrimador, I still gained SO much understanding and insight from your vid above. Thankyou so much, Earle for sharing the knowledge with us all. You make me consider combining my Eskrima with Tai Chi training also. At present, I cross train Western Boxing, and within that science also, I gained much insight and understanding from watching your vid. Once again, thanking you Sifu.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

what you gaind was a false sence of security mate ,now take ya hand off it and go train hard ,thats where youll learn ,not here ,all youll find here are polished turds ,polish it as much as you want its still a turd

[@James-RJM]

A phenomenal video. Yes, difficult to believe if you haven't trained in internal power and explosive fajin strikes. Good friends and family still don't get it. They see the power etc but can't grasp the internal concept. People who have and have learnt/experienced the system/feelings will not frown and dismiss this incredible system/ability! I taught myself, over 7 years to date, and it is a constant learning curve. Unfortunately didn't have an Erle Montaigue 24/7 to guide me but observed many of his videos, in particular the sudden violence series!! Saw Eli for a one to one but wasn't fully loose or understanding the system. His abilities on mitts encouraged me to continue learning. Trained much more until I learnt/grasped fajin and then saw one of his colleagues. I had significant power at this point, but still was over thinking and not totally aware of the whens and whys. Further training, actually less intense and with a break, helped me get back on the correct path. Not thinking is incredibly important!! That, to who hasn't learnt, will sound instantly foreign. I can instantly strike with zero thought, ALL fajin strikes without needing to move my body's position beforehand. Of course, at times, that will leave you with a bit less instant explosive power than if you can briefly step or turn first. The feeling you get with reptilian brain training is incredible. Proper breathing, Phenomenal balance, Eagle vision-slightly blurred, arched back, arms hanging and heavy feeling. Also a floating feeling sometimes before dropping. Tongue on hard palate. No fear. Violent but NOT angry etc etc etc etc. Unless you've learnt and felt these feelings, you simply can't understand and will continue to believe the western movies external force, being huge and muscular must be best. Yes, in movies lol... Working on a builders site, lifting weights in a gym.... In the street, internal power with fajin is likely the most effective system, end of. You learn to fight without gloves, the hands move and close naturally and there's no pain to them or the wrist, forearms etc when you strike very heavy punchbags due to how the energy and force is dissipated. You realise quickly if you've accidentally used external power when first training. Bloody painful. Part of the learning process lol. But you need to be sufficiently skilled in the above points PLUS have the intent/violence to do it and preemptively. Like other comments, I'm not intending to use it unless no choice. I train on bags, strike shields and mitts. That's enough to know how effective it is! It's about it becoming subconscious, awareness, avoidance but if necessary due to the closeness and instant threat, not hesitating and striking first, well before Mr external power has even started to pull an arm back to swing.

[@sadypack]

you said you train on bags, strike shields , and mitts. How can you progress in your fighting if you're always training on inanimate objects? Surely you need to practice with someone to understand some of what Erle's talking about (like feelings your opponent weight, or even the hands movement) these can't be learnt with objects, right?

[@James-RJM]

@@sadypack My intention and focus was on learning fajin, which I've done and I'm continuing and improving daily through training on my bag or with others holding my strike shield or mitts. For the last 2 they either stand still or move/push against me and all strikes are from a few inches to about a foot away. They are simulating me having no option but to preemptively strike an aggressor who's in my face so still quite realistic! It's about being loose and instantly violent, getting into reptilian brain but then doing close strikes again and again and again with solely fajin and remaining in that system and not reverting back to stiff/external force. Easier said than done! Making it a subconscious. Being able to keep striking and staying sung means that if in a real scenario, I'll likely strike from my waist subconsciously once or maybe two/three times and walk away uninjured. Meantime it keeps me fit and far happier mentally. The friends so far haven't learnt fajin, yet, unfortunately. Of course I want to do other training with people, like when I saw Eli and one of his colleagues for a one to one, but they both moved far away and any reputable instructors aren't close to me currently.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

he has zero fa jin when you can snap a dummy arm and its as if it exploded from the inside then you can say you have far jin till then your still practicing

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

hes got no friggen internals just by looking at him you can plainly see hes a jelly bag ,i bet his ass cheeks even wobble when he tries his so called far jin and just quietly if your ass wobbles its actual proof ,serious actual proof of zero internal knollage ,and im hateing myself right now cos you pissed me off so much from being brain dead i keep letting out little gold nugs and honestly your not whorthy of the knollage ,you should be fucken ashamed of yourself mate ,that is the poorest kung fu ive ever seen in my life ,you have zero internal structure yet you claim all this internal shit ,ok heres a test for you, what is the internal force your attempting to grow called and dont fucken say chi ,$10 bux says he cant answer it

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

real fa jin explodes dummy arms from the inside of the wood ,have you ever seen that ,well youve never seen fa jin so how can you ever understand it if youve never seen it or expirienced it ,again a good teacher of 50 years plus can demonstrate this at will and do you think for a second this idiot can do that ,not in a million life times ,hes a fake and the sooner you people see it the safer youll be ,instantly cos ya brains not being filled with poo

[@Anochrist]

i feel so lucky to have this wisdom shared unto me and so casually, life giving me the added bonus of it being shared in my accent...

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

OMG who are these people are you all completely blind

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

im glad i wasnt born with your brain mate cos what you see as gold here is really fools gold but its really shiney isnt it yupeee shiney ,im in lolol mate your not a magpie ,go find a real teacher before you find yourself in a whole world of hurt

[@sifumikezielinski2238]

Great video! Awesome explanations by one of the great instructors. Thanks for sharing this.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

lolol how can you even think that about this absolute rubbish ,you should know dam well this is the blind leading the blind

[@douggeyer416]

A fascinating exposition on mind/body heuristics. So, subconsciously, what meal were you preparing during this video? That seemed like a lot of onions.

[@samuelgreene3952]

These guys just came up on my feed and it has been interesting to watch and learn a bit from the. I see a lot of ignorance and disrespect in some of the responses on many of the videos. What is being demonstrated is often not a fighting technique, but a way to train the body to be able to defend oneself effectively if necessary. I do agree, it would be great to see Taiji guys actually pressure testing their art, but that isn't necessarily the point of these videos. The internal arts have a lot to offer and I have taken what I've ;earned in my own Taiji practice and used it very effectively in BJJ as well as twice on the streets in self defense. I think people need to talk less and listen more and not just with their ears. Thank you for your work!

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

fuck n hell heres another one

[@samuelgreene3952]

What are you referring to ?

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

@@samuelgreene3952 oh jeez dont ever learn wing chun mate cos you need a high iq or at least the ability to read

[@samuelgreene3952]

Ok ,Boomer. Don’t you train 15 hours a day? You seem to spend a lot of time being a keyboard warrior for someone with such a rigorous training schedule

[@WuDaoHamburg]

At the point. Thank you.1🙏🤜🫷

[@angelorosini4326]

Great Master

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

OMG ,this guy isnt a masters ass

[@jasondealba3381]

great focus on technique and method

[@congamike1]

Thanks for publishing this Eli.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

lol fuck me ,thats it thank him for showing the public something thats gonna get em smashed and in a world of pain ,,good one mate

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

all hes publishing is shit mate dont be a sucker ,search out those who really know not this fuck face

[@Ahau-2go]

Be Water my Friend 😊 Be free, to become what you need.

[@lee_bracey]

Thank you for sharing this info. Regarding the hands at about the 18 minute mark, R hand is outside with a R foot lead. I notice a few minutes later you step with the left but the hands stay the same. Are they always R hand on the outside or do they alternate based on the lead foot during the standing practice. Or does it not matter which is inside/outside hand? Thanks again.

[@taichiworld]

+Lee Bracey Hi Lee. There are some set patters that are taught to beginners, but once it gets to this freestyle level, then any hand/foot combination can be used. Regards, Eli

[@lee_bracey]

+Moontagu Thank you Eli. I have been using this hand position during training and static postures. Holding the wrists/hands in this way seems to send a great deal of energy (felt as heat) through the wrist points/hands for me. I notice when I 'fire' from this position after building the energy, it is an explosive strike. I will keep exploring this posture. Thank you again.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

@@taichiworld yup 3 movements or more all linked like a whip at once every time ,see even this guy knows more than you do fuckface ,he knows the untrained human can only comprihend at most 2 movements but not 3 ,4 ,5 and dont forget to stick and also ,more trapping

[@congamike1]

Thanks again!

[@Ahau-2go]

I suggest F.M Alexander Technic with it.

[@life_seeker]

Awessome knowledge on Chi Sao...

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

fuck n hell you cant be that stupid mate ,how can someone ever be that stupid ,his chi sou sucks worse than his so called internals ,i see no spring steel ,i see no trapping ,i see no sticking ,i se no pivoting ,i see nothing ,its just an empty shel of crap

[@cyberserk5614]

How long time in history can chee sau training be traced back and to which school?

[@taichiworld]

No idea.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

chi sou is in white crane ,goes back to the buhdist monks and shaolin but its also a natural instingtive movement that the subcontious is born with ,what we do with chi sou is add technique to what is already there ,next time you get a chance check out mike tyson fights ,he uses chi sou all the time you have to trap and stick to control and stay on the inside ,youll see tyson even change from side to side ,and ontop of that alot of different systems all have their own version of it ,jujitsu calls it grappling ,its about trapping and creating holes to punch your opponant threw ,the way to think is Bridge the gab and stick like glue ,trap ,stick and always remember ,,more trapping

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

@@taichiworld and that answer again shows a huge lack of knollage

[@taichiworld]

@@6588ee.ya.laterFF Yeah I've always preferred to spend my time training rather than studying history.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

@@taichiworld lolol fucken what knollage cunt you havnt got any lololol

[@franckherrmannsen7903]

This is an essential video .

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

no its not ,its complete rubbish from people that know friggen absolutley nothing and if you believe it then you must believe in Santa claws to

[@franckherrmannsen7903]

@@6588ee.ya.laterFF didn´t knew that Santa had claws, actually it´s quite a good attempt of Mr. Montague to put visualization and intent into words, looking into your posts below, it´s quite obvious, that you have no clue what this is about, move on nothing to see here for you

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

@@franckherrmannsen7903 lol no i justknow complete shit when i see it ,ive actually trained full time for the last 45 years ,,im fully trained in mainland wing chun ,Hong Kong wing chun ,foshan wing chun ,tiger ,monkey ax and xing-i i think i know a widdle bit more than all you blind idiots

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

@@franckherrmannsen7903 i could drop shit on most reading this post that you wouldnt understand in a in 2 decades ,im not even a sifu and this so called master couldnt understand 95% of my knollage if he spent the next 2 decades trying to

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

and if you follow this dead head your even thicker than he is

[@LaoZi2023]

You’re right, and you are wrong. His concept of having the form imbedded in your subconscious is very important. Without having the form practiced ten thousand times, correctly, one will not understand the way of that particular style was designed to be used. The body will not understand the the subtle micromanagement. Yes, one needs to have developed song in order to use fa jin, but without one’s Yi focus (yi nian), then the fight is already lost. That’s what he is referring to. Actually this sifu has much to impart, and his example of kicking is weak, to be sure. Could be age. I don’t know, but the message is not incorrect.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

i havnt seen one person write that the forms ,instead of getting stuck in the classical mess every form must be broken down into what works and what doesnt under pressure testing then you put them back together and ontop of that and this def shows the down syndrome kung fu level this is ,not 1 person has asked or enlightened anyone by asking where are all the hidden elbows and knees in the 3 dummy forms ,you know why ,its because their all high on their own crap and blinded by their own ego that they truly believe this is good lol they are both in deep denial and both stuck in whats called the classical mess ,wich again shows the low knollage level

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

nah hes just wrong cos everything from internal to external to spiritual are all linked together ,in other words he has a shit load of links missing and because of that and his mind nothing will work ,well it might on a kid or someone giving zero pressure back

[@stevehulbert4690]

Nice!

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

you think shit is nice do ya mate lolol

[@stevehulbert4690]

@@6588ee.ya.laterFF kk

[@stevehulbert4690]

​@@6588ee.ya.laterFFI just wrote a massive response and it deleted it

[@stevehulbert4690]

​@@6588ee.ya.laterFFthis man isn't Adam mizner lol he's good and Mark Rasmus, Mark Rasmus would wipe you off the face of this earth

[@rideforever]

vs BJJ grappling ? Very likely to lose badly. Of course even BJJ would lose against a gun. So I think the time has come to reconsider what the goal is. Is it strength of force to defeat the enemy ? This isn't the best way, a gun is. And if we turn to spirituality / health, is this the best way ? The world has changed.

[@taichiworld]

I don't think you understand the video, this is a training method, it's not fighting, there is no way you could tell by watching this video weather the person in is could fight or not. It would be liking commenting on weather an MMA fighter could fight having only seen him doing training exercises.

[@craig0weston20]

BJJ or any other martial art have never seen anything like what the Internal arts have in there repitoire especially by advanced practitioners.

[@craig0weston20]

A grappler MUST attach to a limb or something asap or hes going to be devasted by a blit of dim mak strikes.

[@craig0weston20]

Footwork is huge in the Internal arts especially against a grappler. The longer it takes for a grappler to latch onto something the worse it is for them

[@rideforever]

craig weston If what you say is true then you would see internal arts fighters winning open tournaments in MMA comps. However as far as I know that never happens. Who wins ? BJJ or sim

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

if you want to swap emails i can help you ,youve so much stuff mixed up and with wrong meanings ,i cant stand by and throw rocks at ya without helping you to fix everything

[@taichiworld]

I think the first thing would be for you to give a link to a video of you doing something similar, otherwise I have no idea who you are and what your skills are like.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

@@taichiworld Thats the difference between you n me ,i wont put what i know on you tube ,my Sifu/Sigung would be extreamly dissapointed in me ,its ego driven but i stand by what i've said if someone hard and trained put serious pressure on you ,you would not be able to stop it ,you interpritation is wrong and you've learned everything wrong ,one problem in the street with a hot street fighter and your gonna be in a whole world of pain ,thats why to be SiFu takes 30 years of full time ,hard training ,like 10 hours n up per day ,it looks like youve done nothing or learned from a book ,one or the two ,you say your dad taught you then i say your dad only had limited knollage and that shows in your lack of internals and low knollage ,shit i could bridge and destroy you up top in a milisecond while at the same time tiger kicking you once , it would go through both your legs n turn you upside down and i"m not even a SiHing ,close but not ,so what does that say bout you and your teaching ,i'm not even a teacher and id beat you 1 handed ,you really shouldnt be teaching eh ,your simply not good enough and your student will cop it and probably get hurt (hope not) because of a false sence of security and it will be your fault

[@taichiworld]

@@6588ee.ya.laterFF Sorry I don't understand, are you talking about me or my Dad? I am the young boy in the video, I'm now nearly 40. My Dad is the one teaching on the video. I'm not sure how you've come to all this conclusion when you've not seen any videos of either of us fighting, or doing anything fighting related. You're looking at a video of a training method talking about very specific things. You think putting videos on KZbin is ego based? I say it's sharing knowledge. Seems like you have a lot of negativity inside you, saying how easily you could beat me up etc. If there are no videos of you, maybe of your teacher? Or at least someone you respect? 30 years at 10 hours per day, haha good one, the worlds greatest fighters don't even train that much.

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

ive seen all of the videos sadly ,and it bassically gives good teachers a bad name cos the kung fu is extreamly poor

[@6588ee.ya.laterFF]

yeah you say share knollage ,how bout getting the knollage right before you share it , someone will end up useing it thinking its gonna work and get seriously hurt ,become a master ,then share and not before

[@gullydantes5607]

This guy can't even kick. He is talking rubbish. You have to have fa jin in internal martial arts. It means internal power. You have to have strength to overcome an opponent. Every body has jin. Without jin you cannot fight gravity. Through the practice of nei gong or zhan zhong etc you can strengthen jin. Jin is a parasympathetic function.but You can become aware of it with practice . And it takes a long time. The physical feeling of jin is a kind of pressure in the body. All good when you are standing still. The moment you move the pressure goes away because you change function.you still have jin of course but not powerfully enough to fight with. So you have to learn shen. It means the will power to keep the jin pressure or fa jin while moving. Intent or yi is to move jin and jin moves the body. There is no subconscious rubbish. It's all consciousness. We are tired of all these charlatans making money on the innocence of beginners . And more importantly give a bad name to our art.

[@taichiworld]

Like I said in my last comment, I don’t think you understand the definition of the word “charlatan” Let’s see a video you think is showing good internal power?

[@LaoZi2023]

And I would say, if you haven’t touched hands with him, then you don’t know what his level is. Better to be respectful than not. And I say this from a lot of experience.

[@gullydantes5607]

@Douglas Dulac Better not. The Montaigue are no master in the internal arts. They preach as if they are. They are charlatans. They do not deserve respect.

[@LaoZi2023]

@@gullydantes5607 , The benefit of the doubt. Until I know better

[@taichiworld]

@@gullydantes5607 wow you’re still at it. Give it a rest mate, you’re only filling yourself with negative energy. There is so much stuff out there that I strongly disagree with, but going around commenting on their videos only helps to popularise them. Either do it the old fashioned way, show up to a class and make your point for real, or chill out. Hardly no one reads the comments anyway. Even for those who do, they are not going to listen to some random guy with a bad attitude. So chill out mate. I’ll do what I like and you do what you like.