Tail of the Dragon - angry Harley rider

... for some reason, many Ohio plated riders just wouldn't move to one side or use the pull-offs. This guy got particularly upset as I passed ... he saw me for miles but hung left for some reason.
Safe riding, and let's all be nice to one another out there - James

[@jimbookholt8400]

at 65 years of age just bought our first Harley, a 2019 Softail Heritage because I just wanted one, after almost 50 yrs of riding. Yes it is not the nimblest best handling machine I have owned and yes I will gladly slow down to let faster riders around me. Lets ride at our own pace and respect each other. Stay safe.

[@smilingbiter]

I'm like you except I've always ridden HD except once when I was 17 and friend's minibikes and dirtbikes when I was 14 and15. I fell in love with the 2018 Deluxe with all its chrome and bought it for my 66 BD. I don't like to ride much over the speed limit as I realize my potential shortcomings due to age. Whenever I see faster-riding motorcycles and even automobiles, I immediately pull over at the first safe opportunity.

[@petegregory517]

5 years ago at 65 I was stopped at a red light and after 50+ years of riding I told the wife, “I’m done, time to get off”. Rode to the bike shop where I bought it and sold it back to the dealer, walked home. Picked up my gear at the shop the next day and took it to a thrift store. Don’t miss it one bit. My son asked me if I wanted to take his new bike out, said….nope couldn’t pay me to ride it.

[@jimbookholt8400]

@@petegregory517 Hey Barry, Most of the guys I ride with are younger.....I just tell them to take it easy on the old man!!! I respect your decision but I still enjoy riding and I'm just not ready to quit. Here in WV we have great roads and little traffic. When the time comes to hang it up I will have no regrets.

[@victorauletta7699]

Yeah, I’m with the guys that would pull over and let the faster sport bikes go. I’d rather enjoy the ride at my own pace.

[@DrTranofEvil]

Yeah, I’m planning a trip out there in the near future and I’m not planning on rushing. Hell, I would have pulled off and taken some pictures at the vista… You wanna ‘conquer the mountain’ more power to ya. I probably woulda been right there with you like a decade ago. These days, I came, I saw, I bought a T-shirt, I went home and I ate some decent food on the way. Life is good. 👍

[@Jack-xy2pz]

@@DrTranofEvil you have aged nicely sir imo

[@lay1back]

8 out of 10 harley riders have that type of attitude.

[@halbennett4491]

Nonsense. Most Harley I know are polite and accommodating when it comes to faster traffic. Don't judge them by a few bad apples, because we don't judge you by a few idiot crotch rocket riders, or some dual sport douches doing annoying things. With that said, the jerk in the video is just that, and I don't blame the OP from blowing by him when he finally did.

[@lay1back]

@@halbennett4491 , I’ve been riding on the street since 1975. The vast majority of hd riders are posers. They put on their biker ensemble, their dew rag, and ride no farther than their local biker bar, and pose. I’ve met a few old timers who are good folks, but they are few.

[@grayson1946]

@@lay1back so what’s wrong with posing! 🤣🤣🤣 don’t tell me you’ve never posed or showed off! Come on now, admit it! 😂

[@mumbler5644]

@@grayson1946 Ole Peter watched Wild Hogs to many times. LOL to bad he missed the ending

[@grayson1946]

@@mumbler5644 😂😂😂 99% of motorcycle riders pose at least sometimes, me included! I love to pretend I’m a bad ass, even though I’m a weenie! 😂

[@nyannyan123456]

Theres nothing wrong putting around, but some people have no consideration for others. Let faster riders pass and continue enjoying the ride.

[@punishedsnake6141]

Fuck off. Passing on a double line is illegal and dangerous. Person in front doesnt have to do a goddamn thing but keep driving. Prove me wrong, bitch. Im waiting.

[@jamesadams2334]

Follow the speed limit! Stop complaining about slower riders when you are the one breaking the law.

[@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen]

@jamesadams2334 That's the same logic as someone who moves to a shitty neighborhood and then complains about their neighbors selling drugs and stealing their car stereo. If you aren't up for a brisk ride, stay off the dragon. 90% of the riders there are riding over the speed limit. You can ride like grandma on any public back road.

[@1pasota]

Most of Harley riders only know how to ride in highways, the Dragon’s tail is not made for them, big heavy bike with low clearance, they just keep slamming on the brakes as soon as they engage a tight curve, and some have to much attitude because the have an expensive machine between their legs

[@bcuzicancuellar5478]

I learned very quickly to pull over to the side first time riding the Dragon in 2017 on my FJR. It was a natural thing to do. Didn’t want to mess up anyone else’s run, but more importantly, I didn’t wanna try to ride beyond my skill set. Maybe he just didn’t know proper twisty etiquette. Great vid, ride safe!

[@paulhatch7759]

I sold my fjr ☹️

[@SuperChuckRaney]

I just sold my 08 FJR to a good buddy. I'll drag the bags, dont be skittish. Lean her down.

[@jamesadams2334]

Proper etiquette is to follow the speed limit and not harass others. I've owned sport bikes most of my life and never harassed other riders like this. You want to go faster then get on a track not the highway.

[@mikeb8342]

@@jamesadams2334 oh, I'm sure you NEVER exceed the speed limit anywhere.... with any vehicle, right? 🤨 And when someone is driving/riding slower than you for an unreasonable amount of time (maybe well under the speed limit) you NEVER start to crowd them a bit to get their attention and/or to "nudge" them to allow you by. I (and probably everyone else) would find that extremely hard to believe. Now stop being a Poindexter.

[@BaldKiwi117]

@@jamesadams2334 harass? Just let a person pass and this thing would have been over in 5 seconds. It's not your job to enforce speed limits

[@dougjohnson435]

I think the Harley rider was more upset with himself. Had he let you pass earlier everyone wins (both enjoy the rest of their rides). His mind was set to ignore you but that clearly didn't work for him. If traffic bothers you, you may want to try times that aren't as busy like early in the morning on weekdays. Remember the Dragon is a public road and a lot more dangerous than most realize. People can stop in blind curves, or even be walking on the road to pick up something they dropped. If you were to crash you may not be found for hours/days. Always a good ride when you and your bike return in good shape.

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi Doug - good points - wishing you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Cheers.

[@mumbler5644]

A man of reason. I go there with newer riders often the first thing I tell them is ride your own ride and don't be intimidated by others. I also explain there are pull offs but if you can not stop on them safely just pass it by. most have gravel on them. Never had anyone wreck that ride with me. I never intimidate a slower rider by running up on them. rather see them safe on the other side.

[@robertbrown8323]

I think riders who try to show off on this road endanger all around them. May the Dragon take all the show offs down. Chrome rims are available for wheel chairs. Dumb a--es.

[@steveoconnor7069]

Yeah, I always flip other people off when I am upset with myself. 😀

[@theamishhitman71]

@@steveoconnor7069 right this guys a clown lol dude literally just had to move to the right and wave him by like a normal logical person. fml lil dik energy.

[@peytonstamper6931]

Based on how bad the Harley rider's skills are I bet he waves the single finger salute a lot! I admire your patience, I would have passed him much sooner.

[@BenDover-vm7ku]

Double yellow lines = NO PASSING ZONE.. looks like from start to finish .. Drive like hell you will get there...

[@DTO..]

you said be nice, and yet you were rude.. you showed no cycle etiquette.. *that harley was going at the posted speeds as you approached, and you only displayed your inexperience and rudeness by crowding another rider, then you buzzed pass him," with no regard, you didn't even tap your horn to signal your presence nor your intent either, and that's why that harley rider got pissed off at you.. *any real experienced motorcyclist would have known how to do this properly..

[@motarded4214]

@@DTO.. 🤣🤣🤣

[@DTO..]

@@BenDover-vm7ku : when you operate in that manner maybe you'll never arrive period..

[@Cosmic.Origin.exe.]

​@@DTO.. What are you on about? He waited quite some time to pass. If the other rider didn't know he was there, then he was not paying attention. Don't be so pretentious.

[@je7887]

In places around the world it is common to let faster riders through. A little thought goes a long way for safer riding.

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi J E ... well stated. Wishing you the best. Cheers.

[@je7887]

@@JamesScottSi last week I was following 2 riders, a man and I presume his wife/GF, on baggers for what seemed an eternity. They could see me in their mirrors as they were looking. Waited for a safe clear stretch of road to pass, so as I started to pass they both moved to the middle of the road. I cannot understand why they would want to do that other than they didn't like being passed by my Buy My Wallet bike.

[@omarsalgado9715]

Or he could just over take at the first opportunity and stop being a show off. Does that guy thinks he's fast? Pfff...

[@billbeen9350]

It couldn’t be simpler: if a faster bike (or car) approaches from behind, look for the next pullout. When you see it, throw your turn signal on. The overtaking rider will pass in a couple seconds as you reduce speed slightly and swing ever so briefly into the pullout. If there are multiple faster riders, slow a little more as you acknowledge their appreciative “Thanks, Bro!” waves. Slide back out and proceed at your desired pace, content in your knowledge that you just maximized EVERYBODY’S enjoyment.

[@opswest2825]

Exactly, well said 👍

[@Mrhootie333]

Sigh...if only....

[@bigrod4599]

Ride up on an Angel and see what happens

[@DaemonWulf7]

and to *expect* or *demand* that is still pretentious dumbassery

[@BrandonWest87]

@@bigrod4599 He’ll get passed like a blur too.

[@JSTJPN]

As a HD rider when riding the Dragon I slide to the side or even pull over if there are faster bikes stacking up behind me. No need to hold up everyone when riding a lead sled like a bagger.

[@JamesScottSi]

Me too - back when I road an Ultra Classic, Gold Wing or this bike - I just slide right and enjoy the bikes going by. It's not a big deal. Cheers and have a great holiday weekend.

[@expatbiker6598]

There's no need to pull over. If someone can't overtake you without endangering themselves. Then it's on them what they want to do.

[@patricksmith6776]

@@expatbiker6598 Some places it's the law. Where I live even if you're going the speed limit, as soon as the fifth car stacks up behind you on a divided highway you're required by law to use the first turn out you safely can, or move to the right lane if a passing lane becomes available. Whichever comes first.

[@djtomtrain2015]

My expirence. Only hd riders are pricks.

[@patricksmith6776]

@@djtomtrain2015 Really? Where I'm from the biggest assholes are on crotch rockets, although some of our worst riders here are on brand new HD's. There's a few big clubs here though so perhaps here people are trying to stay off radar. Only been messed with by groups of sports bikes here though.

[@themanchannel1555]

I ride with a couple friends regularly all over the country. One is from Kansas and he does not get much practice cornering, especially blind turns common to mountain areas. I always tell him to stay in his comfort zone and simply move to the right on straightaways if someone is faster. EZ and safe 👍

[@davidkeep6526]

Harley riders have a lot to be angry about. For starters they got hood winked into buying a slow, heavy dinosaur of a bike that is good for straight road cruising and pulling tree stumps out on uncle Jeds farm.! 😎👍

[@BrandonWest87]

Until they shear the teeth off their transmission gears or pinion

[@bobbamford5207]

You own one you should know.

[@MotoMadness]

Hey James, would it be ok to include your clip in a moto compilation of angry people. It would be linked and credited. Thanks, MM

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes, of course ... send me the link if used so I can watch. Cheers.

[@MotoMadness]

Thanks mate, I will let u know when I use it. Keep an eye on your spam box as the links have been ending up there. MM

[@MotoMadness]

Hey mate, check out the edit called STUPID, CRAZY & ANGRY PEOPLE VS BIKERS [Ep.#775] - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYCqgWOOZp58ndU with your clip featured. Thanks for letting me include it! MM

[@USMCCGAGNG]

He thought you were sharing his epic ride with him. If a Harley rider had to pull o er for every sport bike that wanted to pass they'd never get anywhere. If you're on a sport bike, get sporty, pass safely.

[@rondj1965]

He's a space man.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

It's all Solid Double Yellow .. but pass them anyway right ? Just don't hit an oncoming Corvette or Ferrari head on ..

[@joeshmoe7967]

@@mikeskidmore6754 The double yellow means nothing to me, the only thing that matters is if I can see and have room to pass. I have ridden roads where yo could see for miles, and still had double yellow. I pass when safe to do so, never on a blind corner or hill top, but the paint on the road does not influence.

[@jaynesc29]

Solid yellow lines my man… plus the GS is a sport touring

[@jaynesc29]

Or is the GS an adventure bike?

[@slowninja14]

If loud pipes save lives, just imagine what learning to ride could do!?

[@mzzzz7331]

Right. And if loud pipes save lives, why not duct take your horn button down - at least it's pointing in the right direction! Oh yeh, because that's against the law. So are loud pipes. It's called disturbing the peace. Man a cop loved it when I got him to realize that. Harley riders blipping their loud pipes at a stop light, not so much. (he ticketed them till he got tired of the novelty)

[@troymyers5181]

He was riding fine, at the speed limit. You dumb fucks racing around the roads like this idiot is how people get killed. Take that shit to the track.

[@slowninja14]

@@troymyers5181 nobody in this video was "racing around" or even going all that quick. You're just an internet Karen!

[@justsomedude445]

LoLoL dude = perfect

[@tedmarakas2626]

Learning how to ride is precious, I've been practicing my skills for over 30 years BUT living in the liberal toilet bowl NYC where imbeciles in Taxis and others with zero driving skills rule......yes loud-ER pipes have saved my life a few times. I'm talking about the socially acceptable loud not the HD stupid deafening loud for no reason.....especially the red light revving retarded loud

[@Hopeless_and_Forlorn]

Absent a law stating otherwise, the Harley rider had no obligation to pull over for faster traffic. Sure it is frustrating, but the rider ahead may be riding at his maximum comfort level of speed for whatever reason. The faster rider had two choices to deal with the situation that would not have involved crowding the other rider in his own lane and possibly causing him to crash: either ignore the twin yellow lines and take upon yourself the risk of moving into the oncoming lane to go around him, or take one of the turnouts that you find so inviting and wait for him to leave the area at his own pace.

[@ushoys]

Sure but the law also states that the speed limit on that whole section of road is only 30mph, so Mr Harley was breaking the law too.

[@Deved89]

@@ushoys speed limis are so low so even the stupidest people can handle it

[@mikehammer2075]

@@ushoys that's the dumbest reply I ever heard.....

[@shelleyking8450]

Of COURSE he had no LEGAL obligation to let someone through, but that's not the point, is it? Being legal (and a major douche) or being right (and a moral member of the human race) are often not the same thing. MOST bikers have ethics, and would realize the RIGHT thing to do is to let a quicker rider through, then both can enjoy the ride at their own pace.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@ElementofKindness]

He's all grumpy because he damn near wrecked before pull-off #4, trying to keep that tractor ahead of you.

[@GiantMeteor2024]

😂 That's a fact Jack! That HD dude was the lead biker in South Parks "Bike Curious" episode.

[@davidthelander1299]

Ride the Dragon a few weekends ago on my KLR - beautiful day. Saw a lot of happy people enjoying the good weather. No accidents or anybody getting angry. Been riding my whole life, almost 70. For last 4,000,000 miles been pushing 18 wheeler - courtesy goes a long, long way.

[@johngibson1439]

I have the most respect for you .. I just hit half a million miles, perfect record... Driving OTR changed the way I ride. I would love to take my FJR1300 to the tail..

[@michaelcrowley1172]

Question ,have you been riding your whole life?.Answer, not yet,lol.

[@johngibson1439]

@@michaelcrowley1172 That's a great comment. No sir, I'll ride forever. The tail is far from home, Crowley lake, Calif. But I'll make it soon.

[@Daschickenify]

To those who fail to move over for faster traffic: You will cause people to do dumb things, putting others and even yourself at risk. Whether or not you may be legally responsible for a crash, you are morally responsible. To the faster people: If you come up on someone who won't move over, but you can control yourself, go ahead and take a pull off and wait for a gap to open up.

[@illhaveanother4365]

Ok dad

[@thatmanstumototours2270]

Or just catch the right moment and quickly and efficiently go around his dumb ass...

[@DaemonWulf7]

you're morally responsible for others who choose to do dumb things? that's the most idiotic, not-taking-responsibility-for-your-own-bullshit thing i've heard today. you're the goddamn problem.

[@jeffhickman10]

Wrong! There is no law that says you have to move over but YOU still have a legal obligation to maintain a safe distance. Morality has nothing at all to do with it.

[@paulkelly4731]

Not to mention the double yellow line means it is illegal to pass... there's that.

[@michaeleisenhardt4590]

I see a rider riding at his comfortable pace. Then I see an illegal pass.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@norseman5041]

yesterday we were a group of sport bike riders who caught up on a very slow team of HD riders, last one on a trike licking the yellow. We were behind them for a good 15 minutes, they did not give two F's and road in the middle of the road not letting anyone pass safely, so when the opportunity came, we throttled up to pass them. I had to get in-between them when a big rig came towards us, man did they get pissed. Fingers up, pistol hand gestures. What is wrong with these people, any normal individual would ride on the side of the road letting us pass in a safe manner, but no, not these idiots. They own the road on their 50hp 900 ibs machines, no riding gear except the huge chain holding their empty wallet after investing in the fake lifestyle machine.

[@raytycker1656]

Hell some sport bikes run as much as some Harleys.

[@xxsunnymelodyxx77]

I didn’t come to a racetrack - I took 129 to go to the dentist !

[@JamesScottSi]

good day - agree it isn't a racetrack and my speeds were the limit or slightly above - and there is no obligation to pullover, but the majority of slower riders do so without fuss. Cheers to good dental care and safe passage there and back.

[@norseman5041]

That is a lie, the HD guys don't have money to go to the dentist after all the screaming eagle upgrades they had to invest in to look exactly the same as everyone else on the steed. LOL

[@leejohnson2294]

I have passed and been past so many time there... I try to ride it pretty fast but there are some locals on superbikes that blow by everyone..

[@darrenleonard339]

Everybody is bashing the guy riding the cruiser he’s going the posted speed limit across that road. It’s not your personal racetrack. Do you expect people to pull over and let you go by when your driving your car on any other road? No you don’t. He wasn’t obligated to pull over and let you go by at any time, he has the right to travel that road as much as you, he just went the legal speed limit. Courtesy goes both ways.

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi Darren ... if you look through the comments I think you'll find it is pretty equitable. The pull-offs are used by cars, motorcycles, trucks, etc. for faster traffic and are used frequently by some and not by some others - there isn't any obligation to use them. Lastly, his speed varied and was often under the speed limit. All that said, cool, ride your ride as safety is paramount. Allow others to pass or not, that is up to the individual. I'm in the camp allowing others to pass is cool. Wishing you and yours well and thanks for stopping by.

[@darrenleonard339]

James Scott S Not saying your in the wrong or right. I personally rode this last weekend and we used the pull offs to let faster riders and drivers pass when we seen them behind us. My son who is just starting to ride was following me and we just about got ran over by someone on a non street legal super motard bike passed us in a curve. If it had caused one of us to wreck he would have never know it and would have been long gone. If I came across as being a dick I apologize, just that incident left a bad taste in my mouth and I will never ride it again. I’m not risking my life so someone else can ride like an idiot. Keep the shiny side up

[@JamesScottSi]

@@darrenleonard339 ... ah, how cool to enjoy a ride with your son. I labor to pullover when someone is behind me, but I do it on my terms and when safe. I too have had the motard and sportbikes just skim by me impatiently and unsafely. Thank goodness it is in large part an exception and never any accident, but damn annoying all the same. Have a good weekend. Cheers.

[@tnelliott2447]

Hardly Go Davidson rider was butt hurt because when he woke up this morning he was confused on which sleeveless shirt to wear,

[@jamespolucha6911]

Everyone knows the tail of the dragon is where people like to ride kinda fast , I always pull over to let the fast guys go the older I get the more I just want to enjoy and that’s what owning a motorcycle is all about , enjoy don’t get mad because someone goes around you

[@TheLucky-we4vr]

Actually the Harley rider didn’t do anything wrong. The speed limit is 30 mph he was doing the speed limit of better. You were clearly following to close and passed on a double yellow line curve.

[@harleyvulcancobra4.619]

Finally a per person with some sense!😎

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@mray8519]

Piss off. It’s the Dragon, people push their limits there and have for years. THE RULE IS RIDE YOUR RIDE. LET BETTER RIDERS PASS.

[@SILVERK5]

To people who say BMW was riding HD's ass, I say he was only (politely) showing he was faster (no honking, no flashing the high beam, no showing his front wheel...) ALL HD HAD TO DO WAS WAVE HIM BY (which was probably the coutesy BMW was hopping for). And they'd both have a more enjoyable ride after. But NO !!! Instead of taking 1 second to alllow a clean pass, HD PICKED UP THE PACE !!! (Ego ?) HD was using the full lane, on and off the brakes, while BMW was not even breathing hard and not even using his brakes ! So people who say BMW was "racing", I'd reply HD was A LOT closer to "the edge" then BMW. (which is not a racer but an adventure bike btw) So seeing HD would never let him by, BMW waited for a rare short straight at the dragon, and did a super clean and safe pass (even if double line), and it took 2 seconds to complete it. HD reminded me of people going the speed limit in the left lane of a highway, and behing pissed when someone passes them on the right because "they are going the speed limit so no one should pass them".

[@jamesvaden2391]

I think all of you has forgotten the speed limit is 35 on the dragon which is slow enough for any motorcycle to negotiate and by law he does not have to pull over to let you speed

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@EZ2XLR8]

I really hate people like this. Just pull aside. Let everyone ride their ride the way they want. Don’t ruin it by insisting everyone behind you is held hostage.

[@mumbler5644]

Funny remark Let everyone ride there ride .... Think you meant let everyone one ride there own ride unless you inconvenience me... Spoken like a true Democrat

[@EZ2XLR8]

@@mumbler5644 let me correct you. If you want to drive slower do it, just don’t keep people behind you from doing what they want. I’m not insisting you go fast so don’t insist I drive slow. No Democrats here. Don’t get it twisted.

[@EZ2XLR8]

@Munchkin Head nobody mentioned being more important or better. The point is if you want to drive 15 mph don’t force everyone behind you to do it too.

[@omnivore2220]

There is a mindset in the world, which wants to hold everyone else down to its lower level of functionality. Also, it rules the world.

[@jrvapor]

As my granddad used to say, "Some peoples kids, you can't take them anywhere!" That Harley rider was angry when he left the house, whatchya gonna do?

[@DTO..]

: being "crowded and buzzed without warning" didn't help the disposition either.

[@BrandonWest87]

@@DTO.. He should have pulled off. He knew the GS rider was behind him waiting to go. The guy rode at a slug pace, crossed the double yellow on every left turn, counterbalanced (wrong!) rather than shifting body weight down, didn’t look through turns, etc. The hardley guy was a trash rider and should have pulled off or gone when it was less busy.

[@williamjohnson6517]

@@BrandonWest87Agree 👍

[@davemac533]

I haven't been on the dragon yet. When I do go I will go slow and pull over knowing there will be someone behind me itching to pass

[@davidklausz3744]

It’s nice to be important but it’s more important to be nicer.

[@Superfloat793]

think about it, if you were in a car would you still pass or expect him to get out of your way ?

[@coachron3524]

That’s the equivalent to cars going slow in the left lane on the interstate! Frustrating!

[@mumbler5644]

This is a 35 mph rode not the interstate

[@firearminstructor135]

@@mumbler5644 still a courtesy. No matter your opinion.

[@roberto4938]

@@mumbler5644 It's also the Dragon..

[@GiantMeteor2024]

Going by his show of novice rider skills on a bike that's not agile, shows he's a middle aged first time rider thats trying to play 1 percenter. Probably the same kinda guy that has to take up 2 parking spaces with his GMC Denali that will never tow or haul so much as a bag of mulch. 😂

[@steveoconnor7069]

@@GiantMeteor2024 False pride has put many a bike in the ditch.

[@williams2652]

Hi James, Patience brother which you exhibited. I like your set up cell, GPS and GoPros but I especially love your jacket which would go well with my K1300S, where did you get it from ?

[@JamesScottSi]

Good morning - Revzilla is the seller / website and Olympia is the manufacturer ... thanks William and safe riding.

[@lgwappo]

I live near a 2-lane country road that I often ride. If I'm too slow for anyone I just pull over. If they're too slow for me they pull over. Nobody gets mad.

[@dgphi]

That's how it should be. Everyone wins. It doesn't need to be an ego thing. Sometimes people want to go faster than you for whatever reason, and sometimes you want to go faster than them.

[@recoilrob324]

That's the Harley Bagger RR model. RR for Rolling Roadblock. We get them and their Honda compatriots (Goldwing RR) all the time in our mountains where none of them wear protective gear because they are riding so slow they don't think they need it...but then get pissed when you blow past them because they weren't expecting you to pass. Oh well....we try to get along but sometimes it doesn't work.

[@darrellswaney1064]

You could have pulled over and waited for 5 to 10 minutes too

[@JamesScottSi]

The couple of times I did that I ended up behind a van and a truck. They kindly pulled over after a few turns. It isn't a big deal. Cheers.

[@steveoconnor7069]

As slow as that guy was 20 to 30 might be a better wait period.

[@danielwiniecki7855]

Main rule is to NEVER cross the double yellow line. You could have pulled over and let the less experienced do the limit and enjoy his ride as well. That's what I would do anyway.

[@Motorcycle-Moments]

Hey there, can I feature your clip for my compilation video? I will credit you with watermark of course. Thanks in advance!

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes, of course. Cheers.

[@kimlannard5388]

Last time I looked at the driving manual, a double solid line means no passing. All you sport bike dudes think normal speed limits and road rules don’t apply to you? At least if you decide to pass on a double solid line, pull far out into the oncoming lane and give the rider ahead plenty of room.

[@cjhockett4308]

Why not just pull over? We're not doing anything but having our ride ruined by big bodied bikes that can't corner, brother. I don't whine when a Harley revs up with loud ass pipes blaring 90's ass rock, so please give me the same courtesy when I'm enjoying angles your bike just cannot physically achieve.

[@kimlannard5388]

@@cjhockett4308 You sound pretty entitled kid. Take your bike to the racetrack to enjoy your angles, not a public road.

[@cjhockett4308]

@@kimlannard5388 Aww. Resorting to insults. Chasing perfection in the corners on track is why I can push it a little further on the road than most riders. This “Kid” is in his thirties, Kim. I’ve probably done more track miles than your bike has seen on the road. Good try, though

[@borat1962]

Hopefully the harley guy smacked you at the end

[@milano9113]

I like that jacket! Which model is it? Cheers from Vermont!

[@JamesScottSi]

It's an Olympia ... not sure they still make this style/model ... dakar. It breathes well in the heat, protects and fits my chubby self well. It comes with some nice thermal layers too, for three seasons. Cheers from Florida.

[@RBZ68]

I never want to be holding up anyone else's ride. I ride a supersport, but by no means am I a "knee dragger". I'd rather ride at my own pace without someone tailgating me, so I gladly wave them around.

[@mikeashbaugh7773]

Couch rider, and I have a HD , but like my sport bike on most roads, do you like the helmet??? I just bought a Himalayan and looking at the kilm helmets

[@JamesScottSi]

Hey Mike - delayed reponse as I've been away a bit. I had issues with my Klim Krios helmet and the warrantied replacement. The inner safety layer separating from the shell. Given the poor build quality and experience I won't by anything Klim.

[@bigkev8949]

he`s riding a poxy harley, he was probably already angry.

[@ji3946]

they have a mentality where they can't believe other bikes handle, brake, accelerate better, and are way more reliable. I've owned both, the HD has a chain welded to it at the bottom of a lake holding the buoy I tie my boat to

[@paulbiggs9279]

I wouldn't have waited as long as you did, you were very patient. Harleys.....🙈

[@dirtbikelunatic]

Hey mate, may I feature it in compilation? Full credited of course

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes, of course ... send me the link if used so I can watch. Cheers.

[@dirtbikelunatic]

@@JamesScottSi Thanks mate :) will do :)

[@randykling2889]

Just a quick question... whats the speed limit on the Dragon... haven't had the pleasure of riding it yet... just curious... Thanks... nice video..

[@JamesScottSi]

Speed limit is 30 MPH - cheers

[@jamespolucha6911]

Tough guy got his feelings hurt

[@seansemkowski1419]

Damn shame on the HD guy. But coming from a speed triple now on a road king and they are big AF but I’ve hustled it through some turns and was pleasantly surprised with the handling just gotta ride them correctly. Obviously not as good as a sport bike or a touring but good enough.

[@thatguy8005]

Some people on a ride are oblivious to anything going on around them.

[@singlespeedman]

Those pull-over spots are for lowly motorcycle riders, not HARLEY riders.

[@girlinagale]

The sped up bits look a quarter of the speed of Isle Of Man TT riders!

[@JamesScottSi]

I got a nice laugh out of this ... I'd enjoy riding my adventure-mule-motorcycle on the Isle of Man, that'd be a treat.

[@BatmanRydin]

Passing another bike in the same lane is dangerous when you are unfamiliar with the rider. You don't know his skill level and he doesn't know yours. You wouldn't ride axle up with a stranger so it's safe to assume you wouldn't want another bike in your lane. That is likely the reason for the reluctance to let you pass especially on a curvy road like that. Some riders dont have the skill level to maintain lane position in a curve and he was probably unfamiliar with the road as the dragon brings many tourists. Not saying he was in the right but you have to consider all the possibilities before you tear a stranger down.

[@JamesScottSi]

I didn't tear anyone down, and at the time I passed, it was parking lot speeds ... 15mph, and after hugging the double yellow, he clearly moved right so I could pass left. For whatever reason, he was put off by having to do this. And if your skill level isn't at a level to maneuver your bike safely to the right, then you have no business being on the road, let alone US129.

[@BatmanRydin]

That was not intended as an attack on you. Just a little insight from a fellow biker to explain to the cage drivers commenting on this video. A PSA if you will. I agree that if you are lacking in skill you shouldn't be attempting a ride like that. But it is as I said earlier. This is one of the major tourist attractions in the biker world so people of all measures of skill ride it. That is why bikes go down so often there.

[@steveholman5978]

Passing another biker in the same lane is very dangerous, even if you know who you're passing. I was riding down I5 in CA with three good buddies once, and we were jockeying around quite a bit. I decided to get on it and unintentionally pulled a bit of a wheelie. At the same time, unknown to me, my buddy coming up from behind went flying by me in my lane. His right hand grip passed under my left hand grip, but had I not accidentally pulled a wheelie, we would have hit and both of us could have ended up sliding down the pavement. Don't pass someone in their lane unless you know them and they know you are passing.

[@mumbler5644]

Amen

[@mumbler5644]

@@JamesScottSi That's right .. Because you own it right james ? I will let the DOT in Tenn. know it is james rode. BTW there are 15 mph curves on that rode. I ride it often . Seems the guy was riding the proper line and riding safe other the some clown riding up his ass. After reading most of your self centered yuppie comments I am convinced you are the problem.

[@onemoremisfit]

It's no fun to be slow if there's nobody behind you.

[@TheCdubbleyoo]

My first time there, I was behind a cruiser and perfectly content to stay there as I got used to the road. I was concentrating on the road, not so much whether someone was behind me. I would not say we were going particularly slow and definitely at the posted limits. Suddenly and Aprilia rider decided to pass both of us, which I frowned upon. If you don't let me know you're back there, I don't know to let you pass. This is particularly so when there is someone in front of me. And, to make it clear, absolutely pulled over to let people pass when I knew they'd caught up to me. I get there are "rules" for The Dragon, but I don't get how I'm supposed to put them before the rules of riding (unless one needs to change lanes or is stopped at an intersection, one's concentration should be directed down range).

[@mikeb8342]

Incorrect..... you are supposed to check your mirrors from time to time, NOT ride with tunnel vision. If someone honked at you from behind, you gonna say "oh, I guess he wants to pass" or "you don't have some right to pass.... fall back!"? In the moment.... me thinks the latter.

[@1zanglang]

Really?! You have mirrors on your bike. Use them! For your and others safety, and because it's mandatory by rules of the road.

[@seanmurphy637]

Mirrors should be checked regularly. More regular the slower you are going.

[@rogerrose8220]

Worst bikes to get behind are HDs, especially in packs. Haven't had one slide over yet... And I ride a Harley!

[@MotoMaxi]

Hey mate. I was wondering if I could get your approval to use your clip in my yt shorts and compilation video. Thank you in advance bro!

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes, use away. Cheers.

[@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen]

Idk why cruiser riders even do the dragon. You can drive slow af on any public road. Ppl go there for brisk riding. Thats like going to the drag strip and running a pedal bike.

[@SILVERK5]

or complaining about the noise ! loll..🤣

[@ShellersClassic]

Try living here in OH. So many of the riders carryover their car mentality to riding a bike. They'll behave as though a large rectangle of metal extends 3 feet to either side, and about 8 feet to the front and back. They would love to share the road, if only there was enough space. Watching the video, it's easy to get the sense that the Harley rider was indulging himself by blocking your path, and became frustrated as he realized he was powerless to continue doing so. I read the other comments, and I couldn't get enough of the meter maids whining about your overtake. It seemed safe and effective to me.

[@JamesScottSi]

Thank you.

[@PA-Tammy]

Unhappy people I get this on the bike and in my truck. People going slow and when you pass them it's as if you called them a name or something. I will never get it, just move out of the way people.. Games are for kids

[@stevendaleschmitt]

It's a public road. He has the right of way and no legal obligation to yield. You passed in a no-passing zone. Never the less, riders should always pull over for dangerous tailgaters. Riding like that gives the sport a bad name and leads to stupid catch phrases like 'it's not a matter of "if" but "when". - Illinois State Motorcycle Trainer

[@bamabiker]

wrong!!! someone tailgates me, their windshield or them is getting peppered with steel bearings

[@fruitydickens6291]

@@bamabiker LOL...sure, toughguy. I hope you enjoy your meltdown.

[@1984xlx]

I just don't understand rude, selfish riders. It hurts NOTHING to pull slightly to the right and let a more skilled rider pass you....SMH...

[@DeliveredCarCare]

I live in this area, it’s so annoying how many out of town people come in and slow everyone down. We put the turn out spots in for a reason. Believe me, all of us locals are just as angry as anyone else. P.S. flat landers are the worst. Jk. Lol.

[@JamesScottSi]

I agree with that flat landers comment. I got a good laugh. Overwhelming my experience with fellow riders is positive, and then there is the exception. I just happened to capture and post the exception. Be well - cheers.

[@jimjohnson3307]

Turn out spots are for emergency pull offs, not for hotdogs with a death wish.

[@carlossantillan4647]

You do realize the reason he was rude and would not pull off for you was because you weren't riding a harley-davidson, right? I'm almost to the point that I stopped waving at anything that looks like a harley myself.

[@jeeveswinston2545]

You were pushing him… different bikes, different riding styles. Be cool man. Wait for your pass op, then go live your best life.

[@kimhorton6109]

So getting passed is a slap against your what??? Why get pissed. People pass up there all the time, especially if it’s a weekend. No biggie.

[@xxsunnymelodyxx77]

It’s where you pass ... not how. I have an assortment of motorcycles from HD to Bmws.

[@heathwest3718]

Maybe a knock against his pride or ego

[@dukie1616]

Either he was being a D or it took all his concentration to take the corners and didn’t have any left to give you room to pass. Usually at that point I take a chill and stand back a bit, give them the room to putter.

[@hni7458]

Imagine going to fulfill one's dream of riding the TotD only to get stuck behind a ****'n moron. "No police around here so now I'm his deputy to stop anyone from speeding!" This to be pronounced in a horrific Allison Grossish old-hag pitched voice. As a Harley rider I'm sending my apologies on his behalf, dear James!

[@JamesScottSi]

No apologies - any day on two wheels, wether spirited pace or slow, is better than a day in the office. Just rented a nice Street Glide to tour the Rocky Mountains; I enjoy my HD rides too. Cheers.

[@jimwms1able]

He must be one of those Harley Riders that will not wave back unless you are a Harley guy. A little respect for a fellow rider would have been really nice by that guy. Oh well, looks like you had a good time. Great ride!

[@JamesScottSi]

thanks, agreed, I extend the courteous I expect ... some just don't care ... but it was only a couple of miles ... it was a great day

[@steveholman5978]

I don't know about others, but I have a hard time knowing the make or model of an approaching motorcycle, especially at highway speeds. I wave to whomever I pass if I see them in time. That being said, 99% of Harley riders are older, smarter, and more law-abiding than those who ride the crotchrockets. To be honest, if I knew I was passing one of those drive-as-fast-as-you-want, pull-a-wheelie-anytime-you-feel-like-it, fuck-the-law-and-everyone-else-on-the-road, assholes, I'd flip them off, too, rather than waving at them. I saw nothing wrong with the Harley rider. He took a good line through the curves and was probably at or just over the speed limit. If some asshole comes up behind him and doesn't like it, let that fucker pull over and let the Harley rider get far enough ahead of him that he won't be a problem in the future.

[@danielcamacho1913]

It looked to me like the Harley rider waved at him. ...If only with one finger. XD

[@thentantt]

Actually i have noticed this. I ride both a Harley sportster and a bmw s1000r. Harley guys only really wave to other Harley guys

[@DaemonWulf7]

yeah, because this guy was being super respectful tailgating the shit out of him

[@1c3sly13]

318 curves. 200 pullover spots. But he's mad?

[@blairboothe7298]

I would suggest that both of you are at fault. In as much as the bagger guy was killing your ride as you were killing his. He could have moved over…also you could have backed off and maybe pulled over yourself for a bit. It’s a public road and he had as much right to the road as you. Cooler heads prevail.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@robbowers916]

People don’t HAVE to pull over to let you pass. It’s not fucking mandatory. Not everyone rides the Tail like they are at a goddam track.

[@JamesScottSi]

Rob ... you are correct ... moving over is a courtesy and not mandatory. First, please refrain from taking the Lord's name in vain on my channel. Second, wishing you and your family well and good health during these uncertain times. Best regards - James

[@robbowers916]

James Scott S First, I would like to apologize for using that kind of language on your channel. I just get so aggravated when people who ride faster than others make videos like this to make it seem like it’s an inconvenience when someone else rides slower. All other people who commented here say that the Harley rider is at fault, when he’s not. Too many accidents on that road from boneheaded riders and he just didn’t want to be a statistic. Lastly, thank you for the well wishes. I hope nothing but the best for you and your family as well. Stay safe out there. Keep the rubber on the road and the shiny side up.

[@JamesScottSi]

@@robbowers916 Hi Rob ... thanks for the note. Again, all the best and hope we can be back out there riding some distances in the months ahead. Cheers.

[@fyrman4]

Let’s be courteous to one another, yet there you were riding up his ass while he’s doing the speed limit. He had as much right to enjoy his ride as you did.

[@bethaneyanderson2123]

Regardless of where I at, if there is a biker behind me that I can tell wants to go fast than me when I don’t wanna speed up I move over and wave them by. I don’t make them wait

[@sellison2192]

Been on the Tail many of times. And of course there are sections it's not safe to pass but it's not much. And you dont have to stop. I would just slow down and get over in my lane allow the pass and then get back to it. Why get butt hurt about it?

[@thatmanstumototours2270]

+100

[@steveoconnor7069]

Pride and it has put many a bike into the ditch.

[@iallso1]

I would be asking if there was a problem with the steering on his bike or if it was the operator, just to see if he gets sarcasm.

[@lloydphilbrick6907]

I'm 65, I ride a Harley, when I see sport bikes behind me, I have them to go by, why ruin my ride and theirs?

[@markkromer9603]

It may be good manners to pull over and let you pass but there’s no law that says the Harley had to. He just wanted to cruise and enjoy himself.

[@JamesScottSi]

agree ... most other riders do ... on occasion, one won't ... and he was under no obligation to do so ... cheers and stay well

[@xxsunnymelodyxx77]

It’s a public road .... local road for residents. Lots of happy valley folks dread it . It’s now do much “how you pass” but rather “where you choose to pass” I’d say.

[@xxsunnymelodyxx77]

Nope. Eyes in the curves trumps watching your mirrors all the time for wheeled bullets coming up hard on you . Getting buzzed in curves sucks.

[@rausemause3109]

@@xxsunnymelodyxx77 Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@hanskonrad5850]

Been riding vintage Harleys over 40 yrs . I ride right of center always . Even in tandem groups I'm on the right line. Please pass me your getting on my fckng nerves ....thankyou. ride safe

[@4himsanctified]

"Dont pass me, Ima Harley rider"

[@bogader1399]

Maybe he didn’t wanna pull over , just sayin u could have been just as courteous and rode his speed it’s not about the destination but the ride is what’s important

[@JamesScottSi]

hello - true ... I was slingshotting there for a bit ... slow down, then speed up, slow down, then speed up ... all the while hopeful one could do the seemingly effortless thing and simply slide right for 5 seconds. It all worked out and we got to see the bird.

[@mensuddevic8983]

Scary thing is that HD rides had no idea you are behind him the whole time, it's obviously beginner rider preoccupied with curves in front , so when you passed him he got scared....

[@jimjohnson3307]

Wow, you can tell what other people are thinking.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@chipm2544]

You say “no reason to rage because you are slow” & “be courteous”. Well,,, -the double yellow line means no passing -passing in the same lane next to other vehicle is unsafe & rude -many riders/drivers in the world with various skills, you may need to be patient like others were for us starting out -you are on the Tail of the Dragon, it is a huge go-to destination, you can expect many other folks there BMW GSA, KTM 690 & H-D Road King rider

[@alexanderrobinson7499]

What’s the speed limit there? How fast was he going?

[@KathrynLiz1]

Riders of HDs seem to think that because their bikes don't corner well, neither do others..... They seem so wrapped up in the brand that they delulde themselves about them in the most amazing way.

[@steveoconnor7069]

You can see that in some of the comments here. They have drunk the Kool Aid.

[@DriveReality]

Hi mate, would it be okay with you if I feature this in my compilation edition? I will give full credits.Thanks!!!

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes. Go ahead. Cheers.

[@mojomanmurph1925]

Remember this is a "public" road. People use it everyday to get back n forth to work, medical visits, shopping, making deliveries, going boating, going camping, etc. Look on the map, there is no other road to get across in that area. The locals who ride the roads all the time can be up on you quick and pass you before you know what's happened and that pisses a lot of folks off. How many other two lane roads people pull over for you to pass. It could be their first time through and don't know to take the pull offs out of courtesy and legally, they don't have too. Speed limit is 30mph. A few years ago, the governor of North Carolina wanted to shut down the road but the locals educated him on the tourist money it generates. I found it best over the years to avoid the road altogether.

[@joedavello9124]

I've ridden the Dragon on several occasions. Although I ride Harleys and have Ohio plates, I have no issue waving faster riders through. None of my Harleys can handle those turns like my K1200GT. No sense in holding up others...

[@chrissmith7669]

Given how all over the road he was I think he was beyond his abilities. A couple times he was over the divider. Not good

[@slowphil47]

I agree with your assessment of his abilities but actually his tires were over the divider more than a couple of times, the rest of the time when he was on an outside curve if his tires were on the correct side his head wasn't.

[@rattler4g]

There is a speed limit on the Dragon, if the rider ahead of you is enjoying his ride, why cant you enjoy yours, no other rider has to speed to meet your needs,

[@philipbarton2634]

1:33. He is a very weak rider. Insecurity is all this is.

[@robertthomas2942]

OK question: To let someone pass, do you actually pull off the road in one of the turn outs? Or do you ease as far right as possible, and slow up, let them squirt past on a straight? Whats the etiquette?

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi Robert … me & most other motorcyclist I encounter scoot far right & waive the faster rider by. Cars, trucks & some motorcyclist wait to use the pull off. My opinion, the other person just do what is safe. And lastly & most infrequently my experience is this person who chooses to stay left & not use the pull offs.

[@robertthomas2942]

@@JamesScottSi Cool, thanks. Pretty much what I expected.

[@kpd3308]

I ease to the right to let them pass, or use a turnout if it’s handy. Live and let live is not that difficult.

[@Ddgi-u73]

This type of stuff is part of the reason why I avoid the Gap (US 129). I'd rather ride the surrounding roads like Wyah or Cherohala where there is zero drama or butthurt to be found.

[@bossmonkey1126]

One has to make allowances for the "Harley " thing. There's a good percentage of these folks that couldn't ride a train but the desire to appear as a badass outweighs any impulse of self preservation. I do adore the costumes tho, so cute.

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

Oh most of them are bought for image for sure. They are great at soaking up miles comfortably in style and with a great exhaust note.... that's it. But these clowns will do stuff like take them on a popular sport bike shred road and expect to not have people wanting to pass? Sons of Anarchy replica vest included.

[@perryrosales]

I am not sure how it is where you are but in NZ you shouldn't overtake another rider in the same lane, it is considered rude.

[@ThePaulArnott]

To me,it looked like a dangerous pass and that's what upset him. You nearly ran him off the road. If you are genuinely that much faster, then just overtake him when you get the chance. There's no way anyone should have to pull over for someone faster. It's a public road. Faster riders don't 'own' it.

[@DaemonWulf7]

and perfectly legit to be annoyed with someone trying to climb into your muffler

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating. @@DaemonWulf7