Taking a Risk in Fighting Games Isn't "Turning Your Brain Off." It's Kind of the Opposite.

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Sajam

Sajam

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@Luminousplayer
@Luminousplayer 3 жыл бұрын
Chat is god tier about trying to tech-escape well constructed arguments with a single very specific counter-example.
@Nofixdahdress
@Nofixdahdress 3 жыл бұрын
The "I didn't watch the video" OS is mad strong.
@wilsonsanabia4259
@wilsonsanabia4259 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nofixdahdress busted move tbh
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
Well actually,
@kogorun
@kogorun 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy how sophist tech is so ubiquitous.
@nodthenbow
@nodthenbow 3 жыл бұрын
An argument has to be valid and sound to be right. If it has counterexamples then it's at best valid or sound, but not both.
@magicalgirl1296
@magicalgirl1296 3 жыл бұрын
"Sajam doesn't know that you need to take risks" *Flashback of Sajam beating an anti air with jump in Volcanic Viper*
@sirjeanpepper2492
@sirjeanpepper2492 3 жыл бұрын
The hindsight DP has a special feature where it is never punishable
@theworstprotagonist722
@theworstprotagonist722 3 жыл бұрын
I've never done a safe option in my life
@jameskub5609
@jameskub5609 3 жыл бұрын
That’s how I got so many kids.
@Kraftik611
@Kraftik611 3 жыл бұрын
@@jameskub5609 you must be great at hit confirms
@sneeze4100
@sneeze4100 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kraftik611 His hit confirms are great when they hit and terrible when they block.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
I like to say once you ready up, there are no more safe options
@Student_DBFZ
@Student_DBFZ 3 жыл бұрын
then how do you know what safe options are?
@Nofixdahdress
@Nofixdahdress 3 жыл бұрын
When I take a risk and it pays off, I'm big brain. When I take a risk and I get punished, my opponent was mashing. When my opponent takes a risk and I punish them, they're stupid. When my opponent takes a risk and it works, they're a cornball who plays mad random.
@Sorrelhas
@Sorrelhas 3 жыл бұрын
The current discourse about this issue in a nutshell Edit: although in hindsight what I said might have been implict in your comment to begin with
@DaddysFlipside
@DaddysFlipside 3 жыл бұрын
Straight out of Lotus' rulebook.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh you should publish these os’s in a guide
@stan5794
@stan5794 3 жыл бұрын
Yea i like saying it in this way
@edwarddominicemilio2661
@edwarddominicemilio2661 3 жыл бұрын
the ultimate option select
@kevl0rneswath
@kevl0rneswath 3 жыл бұрын
When people say they want footsies, what they really mean is that they want to play following a flowchart. Very few people actually mean that they want to take risks the way real footsies is played.
@copiagueeagle
@copiagueeagle 3 жыл бұрын
Is "finishing the round with this move would be sick as shit" good enough justification for how many times ive thrown away rounds? If so, damn im good.
@edfreak9001
@edfreak9001 3 жыл бұрын
are you in a money match/tournament with hopes of winning the pot? No Are you in any other situation? fuck yeah
@Wiziliz
@Wiziliz 3 жыл бұрын
Dragon Install.
@Sorrelhas
@Sorrelhas 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wiziliz Trying to win a match with DI Volcanic Viper is enough justification for any loss
@Sorrelhas
@Sorrelhas 3 жыл бұрын
@Leith Aziz PAGY I didn't read any of that, I just think DI VV hitting a billion times and taking you to the upper edge of the screen is pretty dope, thus my comment
@sanicboi9187
@sanicboi9187 3 жыл бұрын
Dbfz dramatic finishes :(
@Brian-xr8cl
@Brian-xr8cl 3 жыл бұрын
Acknowledging that I don't take enough risks was the first step for me in climbing ranks.
@AchedSphinx
@AchedSphinx 3 жыл бұрын
same. not taking risks makes you too predictable. plus the opponent knows they can get away with more stuff.
@kevingriffith6011
@kevingriffith6011 3 жыл бұрын
Naturally there are characters/fighting games where there is an exception, fighting games are too broad not to have an exception to every rule... but in general, and in *any competitive game*, you do something risky because you want to change the state of the game. If by keeping the state of the game the same you are going to win (AKA: you have the life lead and the opponent is in your character's preferred spacing) then there's no reason to take a risk... and at the same time if you're behind then you have all the more reason to take risks: if it doesn't pay off you just lose a losing game faster. It doesn't just have to be a life lead, either. If Balrog is on top of you and you're just waking up, an invincible reversal may be risky, but is it as risky as letting him stay on top of you? Take a risk to change the state of the game.
@ShinDMitsuki
@ShinDMitsuki 3 жыл бұрын
There is a reason to take risk sometimes when you are in the lead, momentum. It can go really far to dominate a person, then shut them down further with something ridiculous. It will mean you aren't just winning, you are camping out in their head. "Even if I deal with his shit he might just randomly XXX!"
@kevingriffith6011
@kevingriffith6011 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShinDMitsuki Part of that is because this is because human psychology makes everything nebulous. If you're up against an opponent who lives on anticipating your moves and being inside your head then the conventional wisdom of the "right time" to take a risk is exactly when they're going to be looking for you to take a risk... which can lead to a web of circular logic "I would do this, but you'd be expecting that because you're good, so I should do this... but this is Evo grand finals and you're really good, so you'd anticipate that I'd anticipate that, so I should..." . Sometimes the right idea is to take the risk while you can afford to lose the life, but you'll win more consistently against randos by taking risks at the "logical" time.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevingriffith6011 very and insightfully well-put.
@JumbaJumby
@JumbaJumby 3 жыл бұрын
I think one of the reasons why people tend to not want to learn or play the game, but also have the desire to give their opinion even if it's completely invalid, is that for the vast majority of players they want to be a part of a community more than they want to play. The game is the pretext to interact and discuss topics with other people. Whether what they have to say is legitimate or not doesn't matter. They just want to have an opinion and share it. Kinda like what I'm doing rn.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
This is literally too true
@abbymems
@abbymems 3 жыл бұрын
Chat needs a flowchart to understand that people can enjoy games in different ways.
@MrDrumStikz
@MrDrumStikz 3 жыл бұрын
I find the topic of top players playing "too safe" to be interesting; I see it a lot in Tekken. Probably Knee's only weakness as a player is the fact that he often refuses to take a risk. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen him lose the life lead late in the round and thought, "Well, Knee lost." Probably the best example of this was Evo 2019 vs Arslan Ash. Knee has stated many times that the only way he can beat Arslan is with mixups. He gets into grand finals vs Arslan, picks Mishimas, and then proceeds to never go for any mixups and loses the match. There's a time to play like Knee, and there's a time to play like Eyemusician.
@DXYS95
@DXYS95 3 жыл бұрын
I kind of understand why Knee doesn't go for those mixups though. He might think: "hey, if I do hellsweep and I hit them, I get a little bit of damage and a knockdown into possibly more pressure. If they block it though, I die". Maybe the reason he picks Mishimas is just so his opponent has to think about mixups, so that they try to block low sometimes and get launched. But everyone knows Knee won't go for it by now
@xravia79
@xravia79 3 жыл бұрын
Me mashing dp with Ken is smart. You think "I've punished him everytime there is no way he'll do it again" then *BAM* I lose the match but I win the glory.
@DatTeilchen
@DatTeilchen 3 жыл бұрын
reminds of a match against Ken. I just punished his wakeup DP 3 times in a row, no way in hell he is gonna wakeup DP again! boom, I eat a wakeup DP xD
@xravia79
@xravia79 3 жыл бұрын
@@DatTeilchen Live by the DP, die by the DP is the true Ken Masters way.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
@@DatTeilchen the first 3 is what did it
@gxgycf8348
@gxgycf8348 3 жыл бұрын
you're a villain.
@Guito93
@Guito93 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy the jumper trying to make his way as a wifi warrior stuck in Anti-Air City. I almost cried laughing
@iwishforwarHD
@iwishforwarHD 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, while I was watching I was applying these ideas to other games such as League of Legends or Valorant as well. For me it’s always been easy to beat lower to mid level players in any game by playing safe and capitalizing off of their mistakes. The real challenge for me in FG’s and other games is when I’m playing against higher level players and I need to take risks, but due to my lack of experience of specifically taking risks I typically fail when I attempt them. Completely agree that playing safe is easier and less “thought provoking” than taking (calculated) risks in any game.
@gliath888
@gliath888 3 жыл бұрын
A great example of playing super safe without taking risks, even at high level pro play is Arslan Ash when he first showed up in the Tekken scene and caused a massive upset at Evo Japan. Even the best players still fall into basic pitfalls like being impatient or going for high risk plays, and he capitalized off that entirely.
@zenwuu
@zenwuu 3 жыл бұрын
All I take are calculated risks... but man am I bad at math :D
@midorixiv
@midorixiv 3 жыл бұрын
there's no such thing as 'playing safe' when you're a jam main
@ArchOfficial
@ArchOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Sajam, I disagree. I didn't watch the video, but I disagree. This is a joke. I think you're overestimating the ability of the Sajam audience to watch the whole video and think intelligently about what was said.
@DatTeilchen
@DatTeilchen 3 жыл бұрын
Next time claim you didnt watch the video, but you agree 100%
@Grovfu
@Grovfu 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me a lot about making art and music. Industry leaders and professors will tell you that you need to understand the rules before can effectively bend them for your vision. They are absolutely right, but those moments where you're going to benefit from breaking those rules can be right around the corner, whether you're ready for it or not.
@level3xfactor
@level3xfactor 3 жыл бұрын
Memes have ruined people’s ability to think.
@ezrasilver9819
@ezrasilver9819 2 жыл бұрын
This discussion video is great in that it goes so much further beyond just fighting games in terms of its applications to how to approach life in general.
@suburiboy
@suburiboy 3 жыл бұрын
As a beginner I feel like some things are done on reaction and some things are well thought out. I recently posted a gif on Reddit where I Paprika [4]6C four times in like 10 seconds and won. And when it happened I immediate thought “wow” I’m dumb, I got away with crap. But then I went back and considered why I did those moves. The first one was a whiff punish, the second one was part of a high-low-high mix up, the third one was a high-commitment reaction to the tech back, and the forth was a read on the opponents retreat/approach habits. They weren’t the best choices but I feel like they had some intent. Even if it looks super dumb. Maybe I had better options to do those things, and maybe I need to practice converting those raw hits into combos.... but things often happen for a reason.
@jasonslade6259
@jasonslade6259 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh nobody who wants to play super solid and not take risks will pick Paprika, and that's fine. I do think most of them are way too eager to go for the YOLO options though.
@suburiboy
@suburiboy 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonslade6259 yeah. Pap, in personality and play style, probably attracts people who like to hit buttons and fall from the sky. And it feels great when I get a good read to teleC for a win... But I think a strong pap will mix in safe options like cart A to make the hard call-outs more real.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
@@suburiboy yeah no one picks a grappler to play “safe” or even “smart” but just to increase their ratio of decisions:skills.
@elijahj.alfred6632
@elijahj.alfred6632 3 жыл бұрын
I will continue to call those options monkey-brain-head-empty on the spot as a coping mechanism and the fact that the meme is just really funny to me, but I'll also internalize it and try to see if I actually got read later.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
Fair enough.
@HugeWangPiece
@HugeWangPiece 3 жыл бұрын
my goal every stream is to make it through without saying anything dumb enough to incite a berating from Sajam
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
Short term goals as a stepping stone to long term goals, I guess
@Giraffinator
@Giraffinator 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure meaty DP 120% of the time is the good decision he's talking about, idk, I didn't watch the whole video
@zenwuu
@zenwuu 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I didn't watch the video either but you are both wrong.
@CrowsofAcheron
@CrowsofAcheron 3 жыл бұрын
Even better than the meaty dp is the meaty super. Best option 150% of the time. Make them block all those hits.
@doumanseiman2645
@doumanseiman2645 3 жыл бұрын
its a critical mental hit. A sagat did it once on me I laughed so hard I lost the round not even joking
@paleposter
@paleposter 3 жыл бұрын
Ed's are kings of this tactic
@j-kreed4419
@j-kreed4419 3 жыл бұрын
I think the thing that holds intermediate players back is they don't take enough "notes" during the match. They play moment to moment instead of trying to break the opponents playstyle. With good conditioning, those risks become reads.
@tydissimo
@tydissimo 3 жыл бұрын
I’m convinced that it’s impossible to condition low/intermediate level players.
@TheForhekset
@TheForhekset 3 жыл бұрын
You can definitely overthink your options, often making a snap decision is better. I often play riskier if I have the lead, but obviously playing really risking when your under pressure can backfire badly. But when your ahead you can steal a round, and if your punished you still have life left over if that risk didn't pay off.
@Manley410
@Manley410 3 жыл бұрын
It should be the other way around. You don’t play risky with a lead. If you are down you have to take risks, however if you are up, you can simply slow play and keep the lead
@azirlincurve2982
@azirlincurve2982 3 жыл бұрын
Sajam, these people EX DP out of arguments everytime, and yet, you block every single time. Nice defense.
@TheCosmicUprise
@TheCosmicUprise 3 жыл бұрын
unga bunga is scary but calculated unga bunga is terrifying
@sometimesRay
@sometimesRay 3 жыл бұрын
Good timing on this topic. Whenever an option of mine doesn't work, I justify going for it by going over what options it would've beaten. But lately I've been thinking that I'm doing that as a way of coping. I think I'm not taking into account whether my opponent has shown signs of doing whatever my option would've beaten, though it's hard to judge in the moment.
@nubesock5231
@nubesock5231 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of them good good videos. Thank you for talking about this. Its very hard to quantity and youre quite good at it.
@EDarien
@EDarien 3 жыл бұрын
This video I 100% vibe with. Every time I've been upset that I got hit by something big/"stupid" or otherwise unorthodox, I realize they did it because I was being predictable. Even if that hit/super/option whatever it was seemed stupid and "random" the fact is, I was being predictable and the opponent knew what I was going to do and that the punish would work.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
That, and there’s just so much stupid and random and rewarding shit in fgs in general. Sometimes both players just suck and dumb risky shit, while being stupid and all but wrong, just worked. But yeah there comes a point when you just have to reify the reason you got hit as you being too predictable, in order to grow past your current limitations. And it sounds like that’s where you’re at
@Wiziliz
@Wiziliz 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes my round start Grand Viper is big brain because I've gotten used to my opponent starting with a safe poke like Faust c.S, but naturally, that won't always be the choice I go for.
@matrix3509
@matrix3509 3 жыл бұрын
I don't play grapplers often, but when I do, its more of a battle with myself than it is a battle with my opponent. The battle is between the me that wants to think and be smart versus the me that wants to command grab ALL the time. Unfortunately, that battle is a 1-9 matchup.
@VinceOfAllTrades
@VinceOfAllTrades 3 жыл бұрын
The part I can't get past is everyone talkin bout this Kage player like they're a fragile noob who just bought the game and will run away at the slightest criticism. They're Diamond ranked. They're probably in the top 10% of players. They've got thousands of matches played. They've put time and effort into learning the game and achieving their rank. Maybe all the stream monsters out there are Warlords so a lowly Diamond is just a scrub, but to guys like me who live in Silver, this dude's really good.
@madthrasher88
@madthrasher88 3 жыл бұрын
Its only brain dead if you're always playing risky. Playing risky/smart are just another page in the conditioning book if you ask me.
@Cringycoot
@Cringycoot 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. I problem I have is that i sometimes tend to go for extrmely risky options for no reason, like people have said "just do it, turn the brain off for a second", while most of the time these choices end up in me losing the round :P if you want to take a risk, you have to think MORE about the choice rather when choosing which route to go for in pressure, for example
@qedsoku849
@qedsoku849 3 жыл бұрын
I often get “you play too committal”
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
Damn I wish I played such a level of intelligible opponents
@itsyaboi1245
@itsyaboi1245 3 жыл бұрын
This is straight Sol player propaganda
@aganaom1712
@aganaom1712 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes no brain is big brain
@RobSomeone
@RobSomeone 3 жыл бұрын
Why is Brian F talking about himself in third person at the end?
@hyperhedgehog7
@hyperhedgehog7 3 жыл бұрын
that's why they call it a calculated risk
@selofeals947
@selofeals947 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like strategy and decision making are the lest thing I've searched about to learn about them. They just came by after trial and error and playing for a long while.
@ShinDMitsuki
@ShinDMitsuki 3 жыл бұрын
Realistically it's the thing you should be looking into the most in almost all competitive games. Even if you are the best in the world mechanically there will be people good enough mechanically that that doesn't matter in any game. Scream is great at pointing and clicking at heads but that doesn't mean he won every CSGO round for his team.
@selofeals947
@selofeals947 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShinDMitsuki of course it's not like I absolutely learned everything by myself. But it's just crazy how I didn't have to research about it
@madhatterarts1506
@madhatterarts1506 3 жыл бұрын
watching pros/high levels of play w your character is amazing when hopping into a new character in a game
@jprsdas
@jprsdas 3 жыл бұрын
Jiyuna speaking the truth
@RubeusArchos
@RubeusArchos 3 жыл бұрын
Some times in fighting games I just do nothing..this is risk but much to gain from it.
@yeahboyz9314
@yeahboyz9314 3 жыл бұрын
And some diamond player said i'm crazy for wokeup command grab and won the game
@old_man_fran
@old_man_fran 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to watch the 3hr twitch stream
@wraithakiin
@wraithakiin 3 жыл бұрын
Turning your brain off isn't taking a risk, turning your brain of is iad>j.C>A>B>C>214B->A>jc>j.C>2B that's a linne combo in unist
@thrillhouse4151
@thrillhouse4151 3 жыл бұрын
It’s good to take risks, but being lame is a very time tested and powerful strategy, that’s the Blue mage in me.
@h8reset194
@h8reset194 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest i'm kinda dumb because i take risks all the time, for me is hard to don't continue the pressure, i don't know how to safe jump in all games i play for example, and i love to play grapplers, so i'm a mess i think xD
@Geheimnis-c2e
@Geheimnis-c2e 3 жыл бұрын
There was a vid where Sajam was telling a match where he fought a Zangief I think, and they almost never blocked. So I guess it checks out.
@jgray2718
@jgray2718 Жыл бұрын
This discussion reminds me of casual fans discussing coaches of pro sports teams. If they take a risk and it pays off they're geniuses. If it doesn't pay off they're idiots and should be fired. Up until maybe 5 - 10 years ago that was the life of an NFL coach because the risks are obvious in football _(going for it on 4th down, trying a trick play in a critical situation, going for a surprise onside kick, etc.)._ I used to watch sports discussion shows and after a while it became apparent that the "pundits" were literally just pandering to stupid viewers and I had to stop. Sadly, chat is those viewers sometimes.
@ddublu397
@ddublu397 3 жыл бұрын
button go brr != brain go drr
@happycamperds9917
@happycamperds9917 3 жыл бұрын
Generally the only way to beat safe options lots of times are risky options.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
You don’t “beat safe options” that’s why they’re safe. Generally the way to beat calculated playstyles is to play unpredictably/disjointed. Is what you meant I think.
@sneeze4100
@sneeze4100 3 жыл бұрын
@@stolensentience Disregarding zero risk option selects like safe jumps, there are very few options that are zero risk in most games. You might hear poke into fireball described as safe even when the opponent has resources to punish the gap. When people say "safe", it's more about your resources combined with your position and most importantly the risk you subject yourself to. Even a quick poke that's plus can get beat out on startup or whiff, sometimes a slow fireball at full-screen is bad because it takes longer to throw the next one and the opponent gets in for free. Being safe on block and losing your turn doesn't mean you got hit, but does mean you've lost your advantage which is terrible in some matchups. Hopefully this makes sense.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
@@sneeze4100 i feel unmoved by your post
@sneeze4100
@sneeze4100 3 жыл бұрын
@@stolensentience I'm not here to change the world, all I can do is agree to disagree on what "safe" is at this point.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
@@sneeze4100 except all I said was that safe options cannot be beaten. Not sure what you’re disagreeing with.
@beatdown_kai1534
@beatdown_kai1534 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo jimmy the jumper
@EarthLordCJ
@EarthLordCJ 3 жыл бұрын
This is what I always tell myself when I Level 3 Counter as Daimon in KoF14. *Especially* if it doesn’t succeed!
@theosabatini692
@theosabatini692 3 жыл бұрын
2:06 in case someone misses it
@Y20XTongvaLand
@Y20XTongvaLand 3 жыл бұрын
What match is he referring to?
@lettucemode8643
@lettucemode8643 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I especially like the point about going for the higher-risk options after doing the safe ones for a while and seeing how the opponent reacts. I'm realizing now this is something I struggle with - I go for the high risk options probably too soon, and then when my opponent does something crazy to get out of it I'm like "man, you did THAT THERE?" Well sure they did, maybe because I didn't condition them enough before taking the higher risk.
@skylrxoxo
@skylrxoxo 3 жыл бұрын
ive been struggling with this concept in SFV, i get too scared to mash or tech on defense sometimes and i get run over by people with good offense
@anotherinternetperson8495
@anotherinternetperson8495 3 жыл бұрын
Switch to ken Problem solved
@kogorun
@kogorun 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't sf5's defence a big risky mess as a whole anyways? You always have to do risky shit to not get ran over in that game.
@ARandomClown
@ARandomClown 3 жыл бұрын
6:10 i feel called out and I don't generally comment/catch streams
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, the eternal struggle to condition your reflexes to be the optimal thing at any given moment.
@aganaom1712
@aganaom1712 3 жыл бұрын
Is it too much to say it can be both at the same time?
@ibosu3190
@ibosu3190 3 жыл бұрын
Why do these videos feel like they're packed to the brim with "valuable FG advices"? It almost makes me want to sub the channel (Yes, I'm a newcomer).
@supernebula101
@supernebula101 3 жыл бұрын
Eventually, everyone goes on a weeklong binge of playing a game and listening to every Sajam video in the background
@Ace1stClass77
@Ace1stClass77 3 жыл бұрын
Fear the unga bunga 🦍🦧
@billyjoel8510
@billyjoel8510 3 жыл бұрын
Sajam I agree with a lot of ur points
@john-lukepickarde7382
@john-lukepickarde7382 3 жыл бұрын
More like Safejam. JK good vid.
@madhatterarts1506
@madhatterarts1506 3 жыл бұрын
why're you trying to enable jam players jiyuna.
@OG_Fireflare
@OG_Fireflare 3 жыл бұрын
It's me. I am Jimmy the Jumper. :,)
@henriquerodrigues7795
@henriquerodrigues7795 3 жыл бұрын
Being a Leo player, you get numb to the "unga gorilla hurr durr" comments, I'm like yeah whatever yall say. At this point it's just as funny as Sajam is other white guys in the community
@ShinDMitsuki
@ShinDMitsuki 3 жыл бұрын
I usually take it as a compliment because the people saying it are playing characters like Elphelt.
@masone.9004
@masone.9004 3 жыл бұрын
same with sol or any grappler tbh. it’s so tiring
@hanino6453
@hanino6453 3 жыл бұрын
Sick thumbnail
@zacharysnyder5820
@zacharysnyder5820 3 жыл бұрын
In tekken I absolutely love throwing out fff3 on katarina at least once a match. Lemme catch that counter hit and front flip kick you in the top of your head for an easy 20%. Hell, ive thrown it like 3 times in a row while laughing maniacally that it kept working
@crypticTmesis
@crypticTmesis 3 жыл бұрын
I need to catch you live
@Awesomesac
@Awesomesac 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I stopped listening to Sajam after he said Flavor Blasted Goldfish were bad.
@Shining4Dawn
@Shining4Dawn 3 жыл бұрын
I love recognizing when a player does something without thinking. I got a friend who will almost always punish with throw in MKX so I default to holding down after getting blocked. He gets the 2 almost every time.
@Ouryuu-Zenokun
@Ouryuu-Zenokun 3 жыл бұрын
you will call me a brainless monke but if my raw reversal super works in neutral am I really in the wrong here?
@sammydray5919
@sammydray5919 3 жыл бұрын
*sees title* Reminds of a certain dbfz youtuber who does nothing but bitch about exactly this lol
@15kosher
@15kosher 3 жыл бұрын
Implying games are fun
@852lorenzo
@852lorenzo 3 жыл бұрын
I try sending these videos to my older brother to help him learn and he always just say shit like click bait not gonna watch the video.
@BCBCAirThrow
@BCBCAirThrow 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@Aimlesswaves.
@Aimlesswaves. 3 жыл бұрын
I personally disagree that execution stops being an issue compared to decision making. I watch too many tournaments where *pros* are dropping combos, failing to hit confirm effectively, hit wrong buttons, etc. I, as a shitty player, find that despite a very reasonable casual amount of hours put into a game, say 100-200, my execution is still garbage and stops me from fully utilizing strategies I know would be better. The difference in difficulty isn't that learning mechanics and terms and when they best apply, it's the raw talent to hit links and hard inputs consistently that make fighting games unfun for people, especially when so many people making easier input fighting games out to be trash for casuals and babies.
@Sorrelhas
@Sorrelhas 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed the point but I feel too much scrutiny is being placed on the player that did it instead of the player who took the hit
@sneeze4100
@sneeze4100 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's more like both deserve scrutiny, this is like shining a spotlight on something people might not think about as much. Most people don't think "My button won me the game but should I really be bumpin' that button?"
@Sorrelhas
@Sorrelhas 3 жыл бұрын
@@sneeze4100 I get you and you and Sajam are totally right In fact I think it's not anormal for Sajam to use this issue to teach something to new players What I'm saying is that most people attacking the random tatsu are honestly just using this "You should calculate your risks better and think more about your options" argument to gatekeep and attack non-orthodox play People are just talking about it because it hit, if it didn't, no one would comment
@mmmk6322
@mmmk6322 3 жыл бұрын
Lol play tekken. I've played all sorts of fighting games after tekken 7 and this tip only works in tgese games cause everyone sucks in these games. Tekken doesn't allow these shenanigans, if you play unsafe in the upper 30% of the player base, you get screwed. Guilty gear in top 20% you'll find ky mains still spamming stun dipper. Honestly, the reason in tekken it works is because tekken doesn't have meter to unlock for you defensive options. All the defensive options you can get are unlocked from the start of the match till the end. There are almost always 3 defensive options that beats a flowchart with various degrees of risk and reward associated with each option. The equation is flipped in tekken, its when the opponent plays crazy good defense that would include taking unfavorable routes to dunk on the opponents offense.
@blargh559
@blargh559 3 жыл бұрын
Watching people tilt over a hail mary win like tatsugate is like watching Wall Street tilt over commonfolk getting Gamestop bread. Someone made moves that "shouldnt" be made and it worked out great for them. A win is a win, remember Gandhi vs FSP.
@Andre00x
@Andre00x 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, let's keep justifying braindead behaviors.
@sneeze4100
@sneeze4100 3 жыл бұрын
"Justify", hahaha. What are you gonna do about it, tell everyone "You must make all decisions based on logic and reason to play this game". You can't get more braindead then that I'm afraid.
@p-townhero
@p-townhero 3 жыл бұрын
Dog imagine winning from a set with a 2MK, vs a ex tatsu. Son are you playing to improve or playing for the clip? I'm sure when you ask yourself that, you'll see clearly it's much better to play for the clip LMAO
@karue7581
@karue7581 3 жыл бұрын
If it works it's a calculated risk
@ShinDMitsuki
@ShinDMitsuki 3 жыл бұрын
Realistically I think the "unga" comes down to how people want to play. Leo for example is called Unga by a lot of people, in Xrd, but when I play people who think he is very unga it usually comes down to the inability to accept the fact that there is a small amount of set play against him that if you don't adhere to, you are taking a massive risk that can open you up over and over again. When he gets a knockdown you HAVE TO hold back. If he is in stance, his low kick is grab invincible, beats anything you can press really, and he can eat any of your reversals with a button press that combos into a super if he so desires or can put you back in knockdown. I see all the time people searching for a solution to it, but the answer is never "accept that I am going to be holding back until he does something I know he isn't allowed to do." I think that's also why the word "honest" is bullshit. A lot of people call Ky "honest," but he is way more ridiculous than Leo in almost every way and is a far better character. He can snuff you from across the screen, he has incredible oki, his meterless pressure is insane and he will tick throw you for days. There really is nothing honest feeling about it, but because he technically doesn't require you to hold back at some point in his setplay (with meter at least) he is honest? Not to mention Leo has to earn that knockdown with horrible normals against characters like Ky, who destroys him at all ranges when they are in neutral. It's more just that people want the game to be mashing buttons, but when they do, the other person technically gets to never stop pressing buttons because at some point it's easy to realize when a person is never going to accept that set play exist at all. "My magic DP button doesn't get me out of dealing with Oki, this character is bullshit." type stuff. Maybe, I don't know. I just make casual observations from playing so I'm open to being told I have no idea what I'm talking about.
@jasonslade6259
@jasonslade6259 3 жыл бұрын
Online Leo just degenerates into "Opponent blocked any button, time to 236H" because you can't throw him out of it on reaction in Xrd's garbage netplay. So instead of having to play neutral he just hits any button and then goes behind you with plus frames. He doesn't actually have to play Neutral. That completely changes in an offline environment, but must people don't have and never had access to a local Xrd scene.
@Gattsbot
@Gattsbot 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly that tatsu could of just been him expressing himself. "I can just do whatever" kind of thing. Probably wasn't but just food for thought.
@cynicanal111
@cynicanal111 3 жыл бұрын
Don't fall for the Sol gorilla propaganda!
@chungusumungus4004
@chungusumungus4004 3 жыл бұрын
Ok Sol Player
@georgealvarez1195
@georgealvarez1195 3 жыл бұрын
This is like when people say "overwatch is dead" and some boomer comes out of the bushes and is like "ackshually the servers are still up"
@vocalcalibration8033
@vocalcalibration8033 3 жыл бұрын
A rock solid argument.
@stolensentience
@stolensentience 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t the boomers be the ones who compare current Overwatch to when it was actually a relevant game
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