Taking kyoto with hattori on turn 1

I assault and take kyoto on turn 1. Legendary difficulty, short campaign.

[@kekero540]

“All war is deception, and taking advantage of the AI.” - Sun Tzu

[@pragmaticpuppy2715]

lmao good one.

[@ozzylepunknown551]

Dont believe everything you read on the internet. - William Shakespeare

[@muhammad_soa]

"Lots of lies are available on the internet" ~ Hattori Hanzō

[@elyastoohey6621]

Abuse of the A.I, above all things is the first quality of a warrior- Clausewitz

[@jeremiasastorga8399]

"If your Daimyo is to become Shogu-" "Already done" "Wait what?"

[@gorlack2231]

"N-Nani?"

[@GeorgeVega]

Omae wa mou shindeiru.

[@TheCagamu]

Jeremias Astorga ę

[@Saw321lol]

Omae wa mou shogun!

[@prisai03]

@@aletaris orae va mou shogun!

[@LegendofTotalWar]

Pretty damn impressive.

[@DrewHengy]

LegendofTotalWar Have you ever done it?

[@HAL-cp4mt]

I knew you would love this stuff.

[@alberts6096]

Open the pod bay doors, please HAL.

[@balboboogins2511]

Coming from him, that’s huge huge muthafukin complement

[@TheKamakazipenguin]

yo legend :)

[@n0denz]

The heaviest walls, Weathering the Summer's storms, Undone by Spring rain.

[@acroties9304]

Very clever i give it a 10/10

[@Jupiter__001_]

@Benjamin LI haiku

[@radiantbacon1502]

Based

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

Burst out laughing at the random horse POV interlude and the missile-porcupine OVERKILLLL.

[@chopmopjeter18]

You absolute madman

[@tuliodosanjos260]

MAD LAD

[@tuliodosanjos260]

In case you are wondering wtf is this balloon behind their backs, its a horo: a sheet of silk that inflates like a sail on movement and was supposed to absorb the impact of arrows.

[@SONNENKVLT]

I tought it was some kind of bag to carry some stuff like food and other things lol.

[@janusceasar7851]

@@SONNENKVLT you play fall of the samurai too much

[@SONNENKVLT]

@@janusceasar7851 no. Only the base game

[@janusceasar7851]

@@SONNENKVLT Oh, I was actually referring to the bag the infantry are always carrying into battle, which contains foods and stuff.

[@qwertyerror601]

Infantry: My bag has a bento box and some misc stuff for out in the field work. General's Retainers: uhh, My bag is inflatable and could PROBABLY hold maybe an arrow or 2

[@danisrusski6297]

A unit of 30 men killed 844 and got 0 exp...

[@BrunoM321]

shamefur dispray

[@Sonlirain]

True samurai would kill 10000. They don't deserve exp.

[@shamefurdispray859]

@@Sonlirain the Warrior Monks would kill 100000, the samurai dont deserve the exp either

[@JM-dy4ty]

A random fat 096 shyboi With interent access A true General would kill 10000000 alone!

[@nitrozeus951]

Our unit did not even kill a thousand enemies! What a shameful display

[@JonatasAdoM]

You're now Shogun without even dividing the realm, all behind the shadows.

[@brainwasher9876]

Doesn't holding Kyoto for four turns trigger RD no matter what? the way I see it this is a strat purely for bragging rights. There's no way you can win RD with just Iga and Kyoto.

[@averagecalisthenicsguy1504]

@@brainwasher9876 lol watch smartdonkey ashikaga let's play he gonna prove u wrong. Volound hattori lets play too. They both playing on legendary

[@alexpilou1]

"You cannot win, you idiot bas.. -But we took the castle ! -No way ? We are still like one thousand ! How come you take the c... -Look. This is our flag there ! -Oh. Ok. Well guys, Seppuku for everyone, they got us !"

[@Bimo552]

loot the castle? SHAMEFUR DISHPRAY!!!

[@makaramuss]

shamefur? really? I think his shamefu justified enought by this glorius victory :)

[@mrstrdknmabalz1412]

you mean, grorious

[@tyskbulle]

ROOT THE CASTRE!?

[@htf5555]

He can't keep it for that long anyway.

[@Setsuraful]

A CUTTINGU BROW!

[@pixelatedbishop]

The power of the Yari Wall.

[@seppllseppll4517]

Btw, he could ve done better if he actually used it ;)

[@andrewle7429]

his 1st Yari Ashigaru unit did (the one that he lost first), if you notice when he had them engage, they were walking real slow towards them, and later on actually formed together into a wall. I mean there's no other way for that 1st Yari Ashigaru unit to have survived for so long.

[@CosmicContrarian]

This is awesome, I really like your strategy here, I've not really came across many other people who play shogun 2 who are able to perform such feats, most youtubers don't even try legendary difficulty.

[@rodrigoleitao285]

Cosmic Contrarian If you want a youtuber who plays shogun 2 on legendary check out Mr Smart Donkey. I know you made this comment 3 years ago, but hey!...

[@Kodlaken]

KZbinrs watch other youtubers.

[@popcornfilms1]

+Xalxitz not awkward at all

[@toshiroyamada2443]

Cosmic Contrarian MySmartDonkey does only legendary 😊

[@Hasharin14]

Feat? What feat? Exploiting AI is not a feat, it just shows how bad the AI is.

[@initiatebass]

I love how this video is several years old yet you still comment on it! Awesome man!

[@mogr488]

XD I notice it now #2018 /#2013 BTW is the channel owner still alive ?

[@Fulcrox]

F

[@DrEtzor]

First it says "Heroic Victory" then it says "Pyrrhic Victory" Pyrrhic in Total War logic is quite weird anyhow, i've beaten 4000 enemies and lost only like 20 of my own and the game says "Pyrrhic Victory".

[@Anand70707]

LegendofTotalWar beat a 3000 strong army taking no casualties and the game called it Close Victory.

[@Cthight]

maybe your 20 men cost more than those 4000 loses? If you lose 20 legendary warriors and the enemy 4000 yari ashigaru maybe the amount of cost of each unit is calculated?

[@aletaris]

Ummm, percentage of lost men maybe?

[@baconcommando2454]

I think it also counts ammunition in the battle calculation

[@brekezek]

Pyrrhic just means you have not much left enough to fight again, which is pretty much the case here

[@DrEtzor]

"HONORUBURU WARRIORU!" all the Kyoto soldiers camping inside the inner walls Sucho honoru, much for the famiru.

[@tastycookiechip]

"If our daiymo is to become shog-" Already completed it mate

[@andykorso]

Nice video, just one more thing for else watchers - you can destroy enemy archers when they are at the gates. And take many castles with smaller armies. Your generals can dismount and be very good antispear infantry unit as the katana samurai. Also you can mount back in case if you need mobility. 1st - the same tactic, try to gather their archers at one side, then move your samurai (1 squad) to the destructive job. Ashigaru also can do this but they have biger size and will take some arrow hit if not good micro-controled. Also they may have some morale isues when they're far from general and else troops. The enemy archres will not move to another wall if they see your not hidden main troops, (AI is not a human). After your commandos will flank the archers - Try to ignite the gate from side, to not take enemy arrows) - after it is ignited, you can run away, it will be a big "boom" and units inside will be destroyed+some kills if else troops are near. Same thing happens with the wall and archers at it, but the wall cannot be ignited dircetly (without fire arrows), you can ignite it if it's near the gate or in the way of torch-throwing - some first fire atacks at the gate will be blocked by the wall, if lucky - it will be ignited before the gate, just don't forget to run away from it. There is one minus in this tactic - not direct killed enemy=no combat XP for your units (but still a full size victory XP points for the general). 2nd - There are some castles without big gates (not possible to ignite), in this case there is still something that can help you to take it outnumbered. Castles with inverted "T" construction have issues (bugs). Enemy troops (not archers), always will try to go out when they change position, at this moment you must drag them with your cavalry (general). Of cource first you must gather their archers at the opposite wall or at else side and leave there just 1 unhidden squad. Tactic is simple: 1. your archers must not fire (save the ammo) - so you can keep them anyway (even as the bait for enemy archers described in the begining. 2. stop or slow down your general(cavalry) time after time to not lose the focus of enemy rushers. 3. make ambush with one ashigaru wall (order to form it when enemy is near to not lose stamina). - form a straight line and stop the general in one step near your troops- the enmy still will focus him, if he goes behind your troops - the enemy will retreat back. When enemy is close - order the general to run behind and at the same time order the atack to the wall (not a rush, just simple march forward), at the same time you can flank with other troops and smash the enemy troops 1 by 1. Remember - if you fight inside or near the castle, enemy will fight much longer, but outside - they lose morale and try to flee much easier (sometimes even at 80% from their strenght). So you can kill them with cavalry while they runaway. With enemy general is same tactic but your general must RUUUUN to your troops much faster and wait for the enemy there, your spear infantry will solve the problem fast. At the end - you can reform your troops, replace "the bait" with most injured squad, and try to shoot some arrows at the enemy inside (if you still keep their archers at oposite wall - you can shoot at their back, they die much faster because they stand still. Also, if the enemy troops sometimes don't move inside the castle (don't want to change position) - 1 salvo from your archers will break it and they will begin to move. Sometimes the enemy castle can have just 1 squad of castle samurai - you can take it even with your general (or 2), in case if else troops have not enough moving points. (1 general) can dismount and ignite the gate - then mount&charge the enemy, this require some cavalry control knowledge (attack and retreat, attack and retreat)... the most damage is done by "charge", not by long close combat), you may lose some horsemen but the victory will be much faster) in some cases you can end it without a single casuality. 2 generals take the castle without ANY casualities: Tactic 1 - ignite, drag the enemy with one squad while other is taking capturing the flag, after you capture it you can kill the retreating enemy. Tactic 2 if u want to take not damaged castle to save 1 repairing turn - the general dismounts and climb the walls near the gate while other one is waiting close to the doors, or you can atack enemy with both dismounted generals after they climb up, 1 for frontal engage - 2nd one charges from the flank or back, it is less efective than the cavalry charge but still you will easy win the melee fight at all dificulty levels. Another hint: After you take the castle, do not deal with it's unrest, let the rebels show up and after you'll deal with them - you will have big unrest bonus + not to mention the generals XP level up, they are very important and you need to fight at any oportunity to gain the stars and perks. All what i said about castles is just for the begining of the game, when you don't have ninja troops or else advanced units wich can have else tactics. (rifle units can fire even at the enemy from othe side of the walls from the casltegates, form a column looking to the side near the doors and just wait for enemy to pass by, grenade throwers can destroy walls, artilery and fire arrows can ignite&kill from distance, ninjas can infiltrate inside and take objects as gates or towers,

[@nathanamos6698]

11:22 LOL

[@alexjones4690]

I like how even in legendary mode they force a general to charge out in the open like he's an op unit.

[@entidade1000]

the difficulty system is a joke, it gives AI things like more money per turn, higher morale, but the battle strategy is the same crap, if you want a real challenge play against other people.

[@christianpuga9424]

I swear, your mic is so sensitive it manages to pick up the sound you make in your mouth when you try to clear out the saliva. You got a good mic that's capable of doing ASMR.

[@max29pl]

Bruh

[@SRJohnnyGat]

I know lowkey was making me cringe, still good video w good strategy

[@wealthmonger]

It's been a long time so this is if I remember correctly? If your ninja can sabotage their army twice in a row and you recruit units plus 2 more units from the home province. You'll end up with a battle like this steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/923670771633037071/89CC37CA0DC0CBB7E9CB6FA1146C12E96550ADF8/ which you should be able to win. The harder part is taking on everyone 4 turns into it when realm divide hits. vassals created after realm divide don't suffer from the penalty, might be the way to go. Save game right after the battle is here if you want to try it www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?598560-Taking-kyoto-on-turn-1 Actually you don't even need to sabotage their stack twice. I just fought their second stack when they assaulted and I won. The few units that got away were destroyed right after. Here's what it looks like on turn 3 steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/923671058507195991/3ECA933CC24314222643C5C9E47051455CDD3AFF/ Hattori Shogunate realm divide steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/923671058507437790/CBB5D7A99182E3D3D1130F97369A55BEC743FACB/

[@adjoe4799]

Pin your message so everyone can see it

[@alexanderhedblom3195]

Havent playhed for long, how can you have samurai retainers with you? Werent they only for garrisons?

[@andrewle7429]

he didn't have any samurai retainer units. he had 1 unit of Yari Samurai, which is what your given at the start with most clans

[@123SEA1]

This is after you capture Kyoto and the enemy is the Ashikaga second stack that you sabotaged

[@riftbandit223]

May i ask how does your Campaign map look like that? Mines all foggy and black?

[@corey9544]

I'd like to see the aftermath letsplay tbh

[@korvasterindar9672]

He likely lost the campaign after. Taking Kyoto at any time triggers realm divide, which makes every clan in the game declare war on you. In this position, with no army or infrastructure, holding anything would be near impossible

[@diddlypoop]

@@korvasterindar9672 Which makes no sense considering that when Oda Nobunaga took Kyoto, he wasn't immediately invaded by every daimyo in Japan.

[@korvasterindar9672]

@@diddlypoop Indeed lol. Guess they wanted to raise the stakes.

[@rikrishshrestha5421]

@@diddlypoop In game, you're the main character and AI knows it .But in real life , you're just 'another' character, so everyone doesn't give u special treatment.

[@MushroomPickles]

OMAE WA, MOU SHINDEIRU!

[@ghost5231]

Thank you for this video, I used it to capture Kyoto myself and won the battle on a second try. The AI abuse was just so amazing. Stay awesome ;)

[@MasonicadaM]

my units rout even if i outnumber them

[@andrewle7429]

what units were you using? if mostly Yari Ashigaru, just have them form a literal wall facing the enemy army and put on spearwall. If assaulting a castle, things get a bit trickier, but you can time it so that they climb the wall when no units are around, take the gate, get more units in, and by that time the enemy may have reacted and tried to intercept you, at which case, do the same again, form a wall and turn on spearwall. The AI will literally throw themselves on your spears. Gets pretty fun when using matchlock though, as you have to move em in and make the thinnest line possible to have the most amount of shots fired in the 1st volley, or just get a mod to allow kneel fire from FoTS XD

[@robertharris6092]

Ashigaru need to be in spear wall to be good.

[@mee091000]

How... I'm sitting here getting obliterated by Oda Nobunaga. And this guy is taking over Kyoto with 6 units

[@thetoasterinyourbathtub1086]

The Shogunate: "We've been tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly bamboozled."

[@JonatasAdoM]

If you burn the gate with people going through you blow them up. You could destroy the gate, lure them and then blow the whole gatehouse.

[@kacperd2331]

Wake the fu** up samurai , we have kyoto to burn

[@SamuraiRevolution]

"Oh! We got a customer." Hahaha lost it at 5:33

[@d2vid5]

what if that sabotage had failed?

[@dragonsyb]

Dávid restart

[@brainwasher9876]

then you're royally fucked.

[@chaosherald8879]

Night attack?

[@JonatasMonte]

Restart the campaign...

[@LucidDream]

You uninstall.

[@PrinceDolos]

Pretty incredible overall! But dismounting the generals would've made combat 100 times easier against their yari units. Your generals suffered too many unnecessary deaths.

[@jmra99]

the horse charge has a bonus in discouraging enemy units

[@andrewle7429]

plus he would've had to park his horses somewhere where they won't get scared away, otherwise they are stuck as basically Katana Samurai units. his ending strategy required a fast charge towards the gate too

[@bravomike4734]

My goddamn ninja keeps failing to sabotage their second stack.

[@djdjdjfjdjd128]

I haven't say anything about it actually, that is just crazy and incredible!!

[@DOMINATOREDWING]

I didn't know Charlie Sheen did walk throughs and played this game?!!

[@foughtthelol]

Sounds like the announcer is using a megaphone from on top of a hill.

[@119winters5]

PUT ON YOUR GRASSES

[@TheManeymon]

NOTHING WILL BE WRONG!

[@caocao_art2play]

Realy good trick against stupid AI ^^

[@Mars_junior]

Legendary buffs the AI to a point an actual baby could have coded the AI and they're still tough because how OP it makes them. Idk what you are on about.

[@RobinTheBot]

Mars Junior he abused and exploit in the AI that causes them to leave an unassailable defensive position with all their best units into massed spears one by one. I don't care if their stats are OP, victory was possible due to shit AI. A player of any skill level with normal stats still would have won that, as it was literally impossible to attack the 2nd tier.

[@johnadams-wp2yb]

Those 'balloons' only filled out at speed, to prevent arrows from behind. They absorbed the energy of the arrow.

[@yami2227]

That's the first thing I tried to do while I was the Hattori but , unlike you , I failed :P (I was also on legendary diff)

[@johndthottam]

so once the castle is captured, the enemy troops just simply walk away despite the fact that they really outnumber the invaders lel xD Such morale loss :D :D

[@sausagemanjohn567]

How do you make them come out like that? I'm trying this on hard, not sure if it's difficulty, or they fixed it. They just won't come out.

[@wealthmonger]

Thomas Sørensen moving around to the back will make them move to the inner tier. Basically do the opposite, slowly move units back towards the front. At some point they'll start coming out. Usually moving 2 or 3 units back towards your starting location will trigger them to come out. Then you want to run those units back to help.

[@nam5165]

WTH did i just see? AWSOME!

[@directrulefromgamerchair3947]

What about that 3/4 full stack waiting just outside?

[@bassemmhamdi6826]

how ?? units will attack me when i try to climb walls

[@property7421]

Real challenge also comes after you’ve captured that Kyoto 😂

[@the0glitter]

What a legend

[@MJFAN666]

One turn later ... Great Divide... Game over.

[@spyknight8857]

Some advanced shit im seeing here.

[@JonatasMonte]

I still want a video on how to take Kyoto with the Uesugi

[@Mishu777]

this video is a master piece

[@entidade1000]

the difficulty system is a joke, it gives AI things like more money per turn, higher morale, cheaper maintenance etc, but the battle strategy stays the same as in easy mode than in legendary, so it would actually be harder to take Kyoto in turn 2 or 3 than in turn 1. if you want a real challenge play against other people.

[@wealthmonger1705]

I won against another player several times. I had the more aggressive playstyle = win. I also did coops and online battles. drop in battles were kind of fun. fighting a battle against a player when your outnumbered 4 to 6 units and winning it. poor guys, some of them just forgot to turn off the drop in battles.

[@theperson8275]

It takes a Country Man. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@FinetalPies]

Was sabotaging the army necessary? Couldn't you just do a night battle? I thought for sure you'd be going for a gate sabotage

[@mkratos17]

Ikr 😅

[@gabrielos45]

lol mate, you are amazing!

[@RideThruSpace]

Who got brought here cause Volond’s video on TW? Also watch this video with KZbin closed captions it’s hilarious 😂

[@redbastard9711]

Now lets see you hold kyoto for a full year BRUAGH

[@user-sl7rx4jp3t]

Me: *takes 858392948 turns to capture a province*

[@simpicusmaximus]

Looting Kyoto at the end hurt a little ngl

[@DrWongburger]

Bravo

[@jamesmurray83]

Charlie sheen playing some shogun

[@quentinthomason2287]

And then all clans declare war on you, though it might be easier because of the 7 units you'll be able to recruit per turn.

[@manlypowers9967]

Inspiring win.

[@beaulong3270]

Wonder if you’re still commenting on this in 2021? :)

[@november6344]

Been playing shogun for only a few hours and been using a cheese tactic all the way, fooling and taking advantage of stupid AI

[@Skinz01]

gg well played.

[@greatmallard9318]

Sneak 1000

[@locutusofborg3418]

impressive, but what about that massive enemy army outside the gates? did you manage to hold it the next turn?

[@mkratos17]

I doubt it lmfao

[@Tayzorr]

Super skillful, but at the same time it just reminds me of how dumb Shogun 2 is in some ways, that you can basically win the game with Yari Ashigaru and Bow Ashigaru. Also that the TW series will never get the hang of how sieges work.

[@lu2nam821]

Thats why you play avatar conquest instead

[@Synystr7]

Shhh shhhh.... shamefur dispray?

[@robevans8629]

Then it's retaken next turn by the full stack ashikaga army

[@Doredar]

All He needs is 20 good man

[@Abygoneage]

only one flaw. if you cannot continuously sabotage that big ass army on your doorstep from who you stole their capital from...well let's just say no matter what cheese You pull.... you're gonna have a hard time defending with depleted units against a fresh elite army that has the full wrath of their dead lord backing them up (figuratively ) so good luck with that defense for whoever does this build .

[@wealthmonger]

It's difficult to get two successes in a row but your ninja just needs to sabotage their stack twice. After that you'll have enough troops to defend against them.

[@RuneKatashima]

No it's still 20%. And it was 27% anyway. Just to clarify, yes, I know how math works. But they're completely independent chances, especially with save games.

[@Abygoneage]

+British Ball very in depth and useful. well done.

[@iead3935]

Well, at this point the chances are 27% as he already succeeded on the first toss. I take A and B as random variables. A = First sabotage was successfull, B = Second one is successfull. Lets assume the chances of both Actions are equal and Independent. The probability for this strategy to succeed at the start of the first round is P[A /\ B] = P[A]*P[B] 0.27^2. The probability after successfull completion of the first sabotage (Situation at the end of the round) is P[A /\ B | A] and as A and B are Independent of each other P[A /\ B | A] = (P[A]*P[B])/P[A] = P[B] = 0.27. So you can say it works only with a probabilty 0.27^2 if think about the probability at the start of the round. However from the first comment you can assume that the first round is already over and the sabotage was successful -> case 2. (Please excuse my bad english)

[@iead3935]

Was not clear to me from what I have read. But you should see, that I do support that. (0.27^2 = 0.27 * 0.27 if notation is in the way)

[@Algernon7]

Very impressive, definitely not something you can do without having a lot of knowledge about the game.

[@afriendlyrebel5709]

Hattori but no ninjas

[@ChainsawGutsFuck]

Sun Tzu Simulator

[@robertharris6092]

Thats the new chinese total war (hopefuly)

[@xostler]

I can never get them to come out of the inner castle

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

Any workarounds?

[@thar768]

Next: taking Rome with Scippi

[@SFDPSFDP]

very nice technique :)

[@jack_stryker]

Man! I have to try this!

[@yayo4624]

This is pretty much how you play on Legendary difficulty.

[@stochastic24]

Strange, for me computer never accepts agreements on turn 1 on legendary.

[@glassdtomato4046]

Is it possible to just abandon it next turn cause u already have that sweet sweet money or will they chase you down to hell no matter what you do?

[@bread_plece]

Im gonna siege this fortress with only like 400 men and won

[@Drakrath]

What determines if a unit goes up in experience? I thought it was kills but looking at your generals that doesn't appear to be the case.

[@roblaquiere8220]

Units that are heavily damaged get a tremendous penalty to their experience. Think of it like the officers you had promoted got killed.

[@seanwalters1977]

What happened after? I know the wrath of the AI didn't let that stand lol

[@codysmith1915]

was this before or after volund did this? Either way its still impressive

[@wealthmonger]

his was about a year after mine. He continues with it so others should check out his campaign kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYCmaouKfLWCo9U

[@codysmith1915]

Oh thats cool man, I can only imagine how many times it took for you to figure out this was possible

[@jgn]

this is based on a true story

[@LordJike]

Well hello there Ephraim.

[@chavalchavalon6557]

EPIC

[@thedogatemyhomework8]

Question, though - wouldn't the huge stack just come around next turn and smack a bitch up? I didn't play much of Shogun 2 but in that game don't you have to also get rid of all standing armies/family members to completely destroy a clan? Isn't that why the doomstack you sabotaged didn't disappear as you took the castle?

[@wealthmonger]

Their remaining army is sabotaged so it can't do anything for one turn. By the next turn I had enough of a defending force to defeat them when they attacked.

[@thedogatemyhomework8]

Ah, I see. Did you record that battle? I'd definitely watch that! I am not very good in Shogun 2, I'd definitely gather a few tips from seeing how you handled that army with a handlful of battered units.

[@MatCo774]

WOW! I have to try it!

[@yaboichazzy]

Fucking mad lad

[@dingus7081]

how did your ninja succeed? mine didn't

[@Schursse]

i dont get it, how u have less enemies against u because when i do it odds are much much less on my side

[@janko4620]

Turn on captions

[@BenPrattJin]

Alright, so show us how you're going to defend against that full stack at 12:50?

[@lennysmileyface]

You should try this with a mod that improves the AI.

[@Nanomachines5on]

Great use of defeat in detail, and exploiting dumb AI xD