TAKING THE BANANA OUT OF A FIAT EXHAUST MANIFOLD !

[@passenger6735]

Nice to see the set up rather than the chips flying. It's very important and quite often longer than the actual machining. It was great to see how someone else sets up for these 'just needs a quick skim' jobs.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks 👍

[@michaelohman4980]

Every mechanic and service manager needs to see how much preparation goes into a warped manifold repair, more than they give credit for...a job well done by the way.....

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks 👍

[@dermotkelly2289]

Nice job mate. I did one of those years ago at home and the customer almost had a heart attack when I added on 2 hours for setting up time . He wanted to just pay me for 3 minutes of machining time lol

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol , it's always the way . I tell them the cost first ! 👍

[@pjofurey6239]

Nice to see, it’s always the care in setting up that makes the results we want , just finished re-commissioning a Swiss LUTHY LF10 mill from the sixties , watched this with a coffee and can’t wait to get the first parts on it.happy to see I’m not the only one uses gudgeon pins as cylindrical squares mine are out of a big cam Cummins.golden. Cheers max from soggy wet and cold Ireland ( warm in the shed )

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks . Lol , nothing like setting up the off set keys on the cam in those engines ! 👍

[@StuartsShed]

Very nice demo of “best conditioning” a part. That’s what the machinists at my last job called it. Basically setting up a part (like a weldment or casting) to make best use of available machining stock and end up with a good and in tolerance part. 👍👍

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers Stuart . 👍

[@ThePottingShedWorkshop]

Well, that badger makes a fine shaving brush! Love the setup, good video!

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers 👍

[@matttradie1341]

Im literally sitting on the beach on the Amalfi coast in italy Max watching you machine Fiat parts 😂 cant miss an episode.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Buongiorno 👍👍👍

[@TedRoza]

G'day Max. Setup worked out well,& the Cutters did their job. Well done on another good video.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@infoanorexic]

International 345's were notorious for warping manifolds. When I swapped out engines on an old truck I had, I took a set of manifolds in to see if the guy could straighten them out. He used a blanchard style grinder. Lost a little from one ear on the output flange in the process. It was nice, not having to install new gaskets every time I hauled a load of scrap into town.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

very good job friend Max,,thanks for your time

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@be007]

you always make it look easy max ! cheers ben.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks 👍

[@DudleyToolwright]

With the title, I was thinking a literal banana, not a metaphorical one. Got me. Cheers. Always great content.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks Rob . 👍

[@eyuptony]

Great result Max, liked the setup. Cheers Tony

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks Tony . 👍

[@paulrayner4514]

2 Vids, Your spoiling us Max😁. I'm not complaining though! Thx

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@seamusbolton215]

Someday we will be able to login to a youtube creator channel and download all their knowledge and experience, when that happens Max, yours will be the first channel I visit ! Thanks again for another excellent video.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol , Cheers 👍

[@TheAyrCaveShop]

Better than when it left the factory Cheers, Max 👍👍

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers Dean 👍

[@DudleyToolwright]

Your plan A is better than my plan Z. So much to learn.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol , nothing wrong with plan Z's . Sometimes a better place to start ! 👍

[@RalfyCustoms]

Well G'day Max, second morning with a fresh hot brew, waiting for the sun to come up, and here we are again! 2 videos this weekend is a ripper mate, happy days, thanks for sharing and best wishes brother Btw, 1st fish I ever caught was a gudgeon lol, I must have been about 7 years old and had a go down the cut (canal)

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers Mate . I turned on the tele last night to catch up on a few videos , but it was a long day on the tractor then a few beers & i fell asleep straight away ! 👍👍👍

[@MotoRestoFL]

Max, you’re great, love your attitude, it’d be a hoot to spend a week with you in your shop. I have a crapload of similar soft jaws with my Kurt that the CNC shop I bought it from (it was rough though) used to make specialty “tractor parts” if you get my drift. Those sure come in handy time to time. Cheers.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries , Cheers 👍

[@1ginner1]

Hi Max. Love hate relationship with parts like these, knowing when and where to clamp and worrying if the bastard is going to go ballistic because you haven't got it nipped enough, but the satisfaction when you put it on a surface plate and cant get a little feeler under it is worth a tinny or 3. Best wishes, Mal.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers 👍

[@johnlee8231]

Seen many a warped manifold when I still turned a wrench. Broken manifold studs and blown out gaskets. My machine shop had a horizontal belt sander that could do straight six manifolds that got me going again pretty fast. Worked like a charm never had a comeback. The heat cycling let them normalize mostly so once flattened they were happy in their final configuration I figured.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers . I think a lot use those grinders with the cup style wheel mounted under the table . A bit like a wood work planer . 👍

[@deakin2880]

@@swanvalleymachineshop that is a very old style, mine is a dedicated precision belt sander called a platen grinder. makes that a 5 minute job start to finish

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

@@deakin2880 I have heard of those , but never seen one in action or realised they could be so precise . Cheers 👍

[@deakin2880]

@@swanvalleymachineshop i do cylinder heads, blocks, anything flat with it but i bought it in the 80's primarily for exhaust manifolds. did a lot back in the day. a lot of engine machine shops used them.

[@jdmccorful]

Looks as though "mock-up" is gift of alot of practice. Thanks for the insight.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Keeping the lights on job there. 👍

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers Tom . The sun does that with the solar panels , when it's sunny ! 👍

[@stacyhiggins3880]

Great videos you are a true professional

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks 👍

[@Dustin_the_wind]

Thanks, Max.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@50gmb]

What engine are the wrist pins out of? Great videos, I always learn something. Thanks

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

I have Cat C15 & Cummins ones . Cheers 👍

[@hmw-ms3tx]

Hello Max. This video makes a mockery out of those customers who say "I'll pay you to machine it, but I'm not paying you to set it up." Ken

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol . Lucky it was an easy one , it could have gone to other way ! Cheers Ken 👍

[@willemvantsant5105]

Nice setup Max. I had a Fiat 124 sports back in the seventies, remember driving to Albany and refueling at Williams, opened the bonnet to check oil and the exhaust manifold was glowing cherry red. Understand why they warp. I have the same mod 98 level, I was nervous you might accidently knock it and drop it. I bought one of those cheap and cheerful digital box levels and surprised with the accuracy. Not such a great loss if I drop it.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

The digital level i find not easy for quick checks , sort of like a digital dial indicator . I use the digital boxes for the T& C grinder & love it there for setting tool angles . 👍

[@TangentJim]

Max - Machining an Exhust Manifold is like machining Jello . How do you hold Jello securely ??? --- Jim

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

I agree ! Cheers Jim . 👍

[@michaelohman4980]

@@TangentJim you freeze it!.....😆

[@TangentJim]

Michael - Excellent answer LOL . On a more serious note - I have machined Soft Rubber and frooze it using a can of Air Conditoning Refrigerant . --- Jim

[@ericpatterson3887]

Set up gold! Missed your calling Max, should have been a teacher, you have the skills for it. Better late than never. I was trying to think of the engine that manifold came off of. Looks like around a 2 liters motor, pretty small I'd say. I was wondering about that flange on the end of the manifold that is inline, what was that for? Kinda a curious design. Possibly a bypass? Probably not, pretty small diameter for a bypass. I think I've heard of some small tanks that had Fiat motors, but that appears to be quite small and from a petrol motor. Just curious. Nice vid mate! Curious how that badger keeps showing up around your shop!

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers Eric . The little flange was for part of the EGR system . Part of the exhaust runs through a cooler . 👍

[@christophercullen1236]

Adding to the international flavour watching from Dubai today. Kit from up north

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

You get around ! 👍

[@frankerceg4349]

Thank you Max!

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@geraldestes2470]

> nice going thumbs max. beer thirty here now - keeping it between the ditches.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Beer thirty here soon ! Cheers 👍

[@dcraft1234]

I really doubt the manufacturers of automotive exhaust manifolds use seasoned iron before machining. Coupled with the thousands of heat and cool cycles, of course they're gonna warp. Great work Max. Cheers.

[@melgross]

Nowadays, seasoning is done in ovens and just takes a couple of days to finish. The days of leaving CI for months or years to season is long gone.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Production line castings . Cheers 👍

[@timkohchi2048]

Nice work, cheers from Brooklyn NYC. As to the comment from “the dude”, about it being “still warped”, what are you getting on about there mate?, you might not understand what happens to cast iron metallurgically as it is cast and then warps from heat and time. As cast it can have internal stresses from cooling unevenly or other causes, that are relived over time and heat/cool cycles. This is the “relaxed” state, if you were to “heat straighten” it that would be reintroducing stresses. You don’t want to do that.

[@melgross]

Here from forest Hills, Queens, and I agree!

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

It would have to be an absolute worse case scenario to risk it . The extra cost & risk would have to be explained to the customer . 👍

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

He must have deleted his dribble as i can no longer find it . I sometimes highlight comments like that , as i was going to do . I am not one for bagging people out on social media , but i thought it was entertaining enough for everybody to see & make there own judgement ! 👍

[@campbellmorrison8540]

Ive never seen that done before, good to know thanks

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@rodbennett4790]

G'day Max, please advise which deburring tool you use. Thanks.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

It is one of the cheapies of the internet site Temu . No name brand ! 👍

[@rodbennett4790]

@@swanvalleymachineshop Thanks Mate.

[@alank616]

If the manifold is warped , why would you use the face of the warped manifold to set the level ?

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

I can balance out the warp and twist using a precision level . A lot quicker & easier than using a dial indicator because of the twist . 👍

[@alank616]

Thanks for the explanation . ​@swanvalleymachineshop

[@ianpendlebury9503]

You are really cranking out the work and the videos. Double win - for you and us viewers. Thanks Max.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@tomsing6384]

"Think" Graffenstaden Horizontal Boring Machine! I'm ready.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

So am i , a couple of other things to sort out first ! 👍

[@tomsing6384]

@@swanvalleymachineshop OK!

[@Randysshop]

Well done Max. You have an hour or maybe more setting up the part and 10 minutes to machine. Cheers

[@melgross]

That’s normal. A good machinist does proper setups as the machining itself is the easy part.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

The set up is the best part ! Cheers 👍

[@bostedtap8399]

Next step down from herding cats, lol. Soft jaw scallops worked great.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol . Cheers 👍

[@Warped65er]

Thx for the vid.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@bombardier3qtrlbpsi]

Nice job 👍 Just a guess... made in ina... Products Always have to make them better and give them quality workmanship before you use them. Just for 💩's and giggles I went a checked a 1960's manifold for a 6 cylinder chrysler flathead. There was zero rock on the face. I know there is no made in ina stamp on this 😁😁

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol , cheers 👍

[@gordonquigley2267]

I was expecting an imperial measurement you had to take out Max

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol , Cheers 👍

[@jefftheaussie2225]

The mile high club, 5280ft. They must have to bring the plane down to do the business.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol 👍👍👍

[@peterhawkins4612]

Manifolds have to be on of the worst shape things to get a grip of in a machine , your set up looks better than most I have seen. I did see one bloke on KZbin who was probably cleverer than me fab up a fairly simple fixture out of a piece of heavy flat bar then he clamps the manifold to the fixture then he clamps the manifold face down to the mill table then skims the back of the fixture plate then flips the whole thing over and faces the manifold . No levels or dial indicators needed there is some good stuff out there to learn from people like yourself who make videos of routine tasks that are actually quite complex.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Thanks . Yes , not the easiest things to grab hold of . 👍

[@daviddeakin2006]

It seams strange that the bolt flanges aren’t on the same plane as the exhaust ports . I’m sure there’s a reason for it and I would be interested to know why .

[@undaware]

Increases and focuses clamping forces at the port because the bolts don't bottom out.

[@jefftheaussie2225]

@@undawareZachary. The Italians are pretty good engineers.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Like you say , there must be a reason for it . 👍

[@adrianpalmer-lc3ec]

Thanks Max !! Beautiful 🙂

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@alungiggs]

Yay! Nice one Max 🙂. Thanks for the extra video 👍🇳🇱

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@alandawson2813]

Awesome job Max.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Cheers . 👍

[@garagebuildz5216]

I did my Jeep exhaust here on my Haas. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3LYZH5nZaZgnsk I wish I had seen your video first. It was my first time doing this and I was winging it, so it took forever.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Hey, you got there in the end . That's all that matters . Cheers 👍

[@macsmachine]

Great way to start a Saturday.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries 👍

[@dennissheridan1550]

Max, if the piece is a banana putting a level in the middle is of no use. I would have used a long beam level and set the piece level with respect to the ends, and across the width. The middle is of no import as it's going to be either too high or too low, the machining will level all in the end

[@undaware]

Worked didn't it.

[@bobhudson6659]

That's right. Max has no idea what he is doing. It also shows in all the other weird and wonderful things that many others would not take on. I have done a few manifolds myself and they can be a pain especially when adjacent ports are high or low and there is really nothing really flat anywhere to work off. I have then put a piece of steel flat bar that covered end to end. That gave me some sort of reference to work off. But as undaware commented, for Max, it worked didn't it. The idea is take the minimum off so all the ports are aligned and flat. That's what Max achieved - he had something more reasonable to work off. Max is no dummy. Look at the time it took him to set up the job versus time to machine it. That's always the case with exhaust manifolds. They can be a real pain. How many have you done?

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

I do not use builders levels to set jobs up , they do not have the 5 thou graduations . Balance it out either side of centre .

[@dennissheridan1550]

@@undaware Yes, but it took 10 times longer to set it up than it did to actually machine it.

[@undaware]

​@@dennissheridan1550... Ten to one isn't unreasonable for something with no reliable register. And don't forget he's bringing us along and narrating. Would have gone quicker working on his own.

[@Bristolcentaurus]

"the mile high club" no aircraft activities or the wacky weed or anything else of that nature - how many banana's did you have to take off to get it to clean up? did you mean rough as an echinda's arse ?

[@jefftheaussie2225]

Rough as guts.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

About 1mm , Smoother than a Badgers ass ! 👍

[@mikewestbrook2319]

Thanks Max 😁

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

No worries . 👍

[@mariusthefaker9339]

God I hated machining manifolds, although I had to use a horizontal surface grinder designed for cast iron cylinder heads. Does look a bit easier to do on a mill as long as you get a soft one, although I must confess when you were tapping this one in I was thinking "...hit it harder, with any luck you'll break it and you'll never have to do another one!" 😁👍🦘

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Lol , no such luck !!! Just glad it was an easy set up . Cheers 👍