Tales of Symphonia Switch - PAIN

[@bloodless653]

You really got me with "I'm not disappointed, I'm just mad." 🤣🤣

[@Rex13013]

Yeah same

[@sushisashimi8320]

same lol

[@j.s.4778]

I was like "alright, this is the easiest way to show my friends this old classic, it CAN'T have been done THIS dirty" and then plot important lines were still literally being skipped from other ports. Let Mithos burn this one man, yikes.

[@lysanderxx1664]

I don't know about you, but my wife and I have been loving this game on the Switch.

[@rotolotto]

This game is so incredible and so important to most of our formative years. This port truly depressing. We deserve better. SYMPHONIA deserves better.

[@lysanderxx1664]

I don't know about you, but my wife and I have been loving this game on the Switch. And I played through the game multiple times on GC.

[@flaminginferno6641]

​@@lysanderxx1664and that's good for you, it doesn't change the fact this is an undeniably crappy port

[@pokeman7554]

As someone who played the gamecube version back in the day this feels like a slap in the face

[@RevolverLink]

It's hard not to feel like Namco upper management threw a skeleton crew at this remaster and then stuck them with an incredibly strict deadline. And that they, either through corporate mandate or sheer necessity (or both), then had to over-rely on AI programs they didn't really have the time, skill or manpower to properly oversee. Whatever the case, the end product displays a stunning lack of care or attention to a game that deserved so much better.

[@RawPower867]

What I don't understand is how the PS4 version turned out better than the others. Was PS4 Namco's main priority for the game? Because that doesn't make sense. PS4 is basically irrelevant in Japan and Tales of Vesperia (and JRPGs in general) sold way better on Switch.

[@datalphalion]

This is gonna be Daniel’s version of Steve’s review of Little Town Hero.

[@rand21althor]

Man. Tales of Symphonia is not just one of my favorite GCN games, but one of my favorite JRPGs. I played the GCN version so many times back in the day. It's so sad to see this "remaster" done this poorly. It's fascinating how we got two noteworthy remasters on the Switch recently (Metroid Prime and this) and they are just polar opposites of what a remaster can be. One's a masterpiece, and the other is just....this.

[@robinh.3768]

Tales of Symphonia is my favourite game of all time. I've got it on GameCube, PS3, Steam, and now Switch. It has been a while since I've come back to playing it, and honestly I'm scared to play the Switch version, because of all these issues. This game should have had a full remake like Final Fantasy 7.

[@RM2011ish]

I have it. Only paid $16 out of trades. I'm betting on the hope that Namco will patch the shit out of this. Because I honestly stopped playing when I got to the Desert ruins. This is a great game and the way they did this is INEXCUSABLE, especially when Vesperia is a newer game with a better port. I still have the GameCube version, and I actually dug out my Wii to replay it.

[@-mhayes86]

Thanks for the very informative comparison video! I first played this back in the day on GameCube, and now both my wife and I were excited to play the remaster since she's never played it. Seeing this, we're pretty bummed out.

[@akafacts]

"we are dangerously close to this being a power point" LMFAO DEAD!!!!!!

[@Lappy-fx4kq]

If you ever feel useless in your life, remember that somebody at Namco was paid to bring downgraded, 30 fps Tales of Symphonia on the Switch (a console made by Nintendo) that came out over 20 years later than the Gamecube, ALSO a console made by Nintendo, that ran the game with full dialogues, shorter loading screen times and 60 fps. The more I look at it, the more it just becomes glaringly obvious that Symphonia was a stroke of luck for Namco more than their own technical genius.

[@ViewtifulBeau]

The fact we didn't get an Arise or at least Vesperia upscale is heartbreaking. This game deserves to be respected not farted out for quick cash.

[@nanofate8662]

I think its sad this is what they gave us for anniversary. Symphonia and Tales in general deserves more love from Bamco when it's such a classic JRPG series.

[@MasterStacona]

Bandai Namco: Money? Bandai Namco: Money.

[@pite9]

I think fans tend to complain too much when it comes to remasters, but oh boy was this a darker shade of bad. Thanks for informing us! I played the PS3 version, and I didn't have any issues with it, but now I understand why I thought that conversation with Remiel was really awkward. Missing dialogue in what was essentially the most important scene of the first 10 hours of the game is totally unacceptable. They really should have patched it back in for the PS3 releases. Not fixing it for this release is child abuse of an IP.

[@KonaKonaKaabisteru]

Guess I'm still stuck with my GCN-copy of the game for my Wii. How on Earth did we end up to this point??! It's mind-bendingly infuriating and exhausting to watch Namdai strangely fumble even harder with this one giving this one fair amount of attention... now it's been almost a decade on how Symphonia just can't seem to catch a break with re-releases. God. I dunno if this particular one was just spurred on by the sad ripple effect of other VG companies thinking it's fine to make half-hearted or even outright broken remasters since past few years, such as GTA Trilogy or Nintendo's own remasters on Switch sans recent Metroid Prime and Kirby's Return to Dreamland DX. Knowing also how some of fans I followed Tumblr had been doing a cool fanart countdown for this release... it's enraging that all these passionate fans will be receiving at the end is such a mediocre port. They just don't deserve this kind of treatment with this much strong, on-going appreciation and support for this game after all these years. 😟

[@StarshineFlourish]

Symphonia is my #1. I own every Tales game, but I own every cover variant of Symphonia. They KNOW it's their #1 tales game. It's the tales game that put them on the map. Not only does it deserve the full remake treatment, at the VERY least it deserved a polish. They seemingly copy pasted the code from ps3 into switch and called it a day :(

[@EnigmaBarry]

16:02 Nintendo Switch games DO NOT save to a cartridge. They save to the internal flash memory on the console. Unlike the 3DS and older Nintendo Cartridges, the Switch cartridge only contains the game. Thanks for making this video. Shame the remaster is a disaster. Makes me wonder how the recently announced Baten Kaitos I & II remaster will go. I never played it, but it would be a shame if Bandai Namco ruined one of Monolith Soft's earlier games.

[@powwowken2760]

When a game is so pathetically made that it manages to piss off a guy who's literally named "Good Vibes" then you know things have gone horribly wrong.

[@cyruskhamee678]

I know this video touched based on your comparisons between the Switch version and Gamecube version, but we should highlight that these SAME issues DO NOT exist on the PS4 or Xbox One version. The skits retain the background image of the character and the traditional black bar across a 3rd characters south based frame. They have the proper cracking in and out battle animations or fading to black animations. They retain the light blue background in menu options. For anyone wanting this game I'd truly recommend it on Xbox or PS4, as you can enjoy it similar to the steam version without any issues. It still has missing dialogue as highlighted, but the game plays as intended, aside that battles start like .1 seconds before the screen finishing transitioning in, and the camera doesn't pan right to left as a fight begins. Albeit better, its still far from a remaster and I just wanted to touch base on some better comparisons of alternate versions of the newer releases.

[@jacksonlovesnintendo]

Man I actually really enjoy Daniel’s videos!! He has some pretty funny lines that you can totally miss if you aren’t listening close enough!!

[@SuperPaperPokemon]

So that's why Nintendo ports of older games cost $60. At the bare minimum, we're getting the exact same experience we had on the original, at a higher resolution. We can't really guarantee that from other companies, can we...?

[@Snotnarok]

I know people from a Tales fan group that was defending this port before it ever came out, knowing full well it was based on a much disliked PS3 'remaster' which was ported to PC, which was also disliked and now we're here with the same remaster with some higher res textures for $40. Metroid Prime just had a graphical overhaul while keeping the gameplay the same since it was based on the same code somehow and that's $40 and also a critically acclaimed game. Crisis Core had much the same treatment and it did it far better than this and was also $40. Even with the janky up-resd cutscenes it still shows a lot more effort than this. For better or worse, they even re-voiced Crisis Core where the skits in Symphonia still aren't voiced in english. Mass Effect had a heck of a remaster that fixed so many gameplay issues & jank with 1 and upped the visuals but also included touched up sequels on top of it for $60. This is one of people's favorite Tales games, it's one of BamCo's most known game in the series and they kicked it out the door like this, knowing people would defend it instead of using common sense and having some standards. Most remasters bork something up, the lighting is usually it but this just was doomed from the start using the PS2/3 version as a base. The textures on characters look so ...awkward and borked, especially with the cellshading being so subdued. IDK what they were going for but they sure didn't get it going here. The loading is baffling too, it seems worse than the OG release? They were better emulating the OG, upscaling with some light texture filters than what they did here. (I don't mean visual filters or upscaling, I mean anisotropic filtering). And my sensitive eyes couldn't deal with the white battle transitions, I have to wear sunglasses even on a fairly dim day outside. I can't deal with Elden Ring's boot up sequence for every battle. This just is not worth it. I don't know why people defend this mess for $40. Bamco is better than this.

[@RobVerKa]

Here in the UK a physical copy of Tales of Symphonia Remastered is £50, which is the equivalent to $60, absolutely insane

[@indexical1897]

Lol. I just checked eBay and you could buy both the GameCube and PS3 versions together for that price…

[@somebodyyoudontknow3980]

And honestly even if the remaster didn't have these problems, full price for an old game that already looked outdated when it came out is stupidly overpriced.

[@aleksandrar.2839]

I had the pleasure of having a hand in the Vesperia remaster and seeing how they've treated Symphonia in comparison is just disheartening . I think it really just goes to show that they wanted to spend less money on pushing this out, and the missing dialogue is SO BAFFLING this is essential conversation! I've been hoping for a Graces remaster for years as it's my favorite Tales game but now I fear what would become of it...

[@Kasaaz]

I think those black screens are either a transparency issue with certain graphical effects, or actually intentionally added to prevent you from seeing how JANK it looks while it's doing loading, etc.

[@montyleblanc8776]

I haven’t bought it yet but I’m glad I was able to see your video first. I just recently bought it on my steam deck

[@albertzinger7132]

Ah, so that's why the Remiel scene felt so weird in the Switch port! He straight up didn't say what she had to do! No wonder I was so confused about Colette's supposed actions as a chosen. I think I'm going to drop the Switch port and just emulate GC version on PC.

[@celestialstar6450]

I’m sorry for your pain; it’s absolutely unacceptable that the new re-re-re-release is in this state. Publishers have gotten VERY lazy now that “we can just patch it later”. Giving programmers and testers insufficient resources to do their jobs is just criminal. Can you imagine eating a cake that was only half-cooked? Watching a film that had missing effects and poor-quality audio? I never played the GC version, but I remember watching a friend play it, and it was amazing to see. I have the PS3 release in my backlog, hopefully I’ll get to it soon-ish.

[@Octav2000]

It’s impressive in a twisted way how much they messed this port up

[@ChazDragoon]

yet another game to add to "Remaster is actually Demaster" list...as is the standard for this garbage game industry.

[@bananabike279]

Absolutely baffling, how could Bamco approve of this port 0_0

[@kaptenteo]

It's absolutely bonkers that a remaster is *worse* than the original. Not only did they not fix already known bugs and issue, but this version introduces *new* ones! I can't even ...

[@Next-GenNico]

Actually the black background issue is only on NSW, On XB1 and PS4 it's transparent and customizable, agree the remaster doesn't give a lot of change, but that battle with Abyssion is totally worth it for this game.

[@apparentlad]

My favorite arte is nurse, because where do all of these nurses come from? It’s perfect.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

Wow, I didn’t know they were dropping dialogue, I’m glad I’m playing with the Japanese language script because that keeps the dialogue about how you’re supposed to go climb the tower. Now I’m worried about the Baten Kaitos remakes.

[@Z-Man7]

Only Tales game I ever played, Lloyd was one of my favorite heroes growing up. This re-release should have been so much better.

[@cosmichappenings6674]

16:00 Correction: Switch games don't save to the cartridge, it saves to your internal storage or Mirco SDCard

[@DigiPen92]

@Good Vibes Gaming Since you did covered the Nintendo Switch version and actually showed what was the biggest issues going on in the Nintendo Switch version, can you talk about the PS4 and Xbox One version to see the better things than the Nintendo Switch version since you did showed the comparison of the transition was kept in PS4 and Xbox One than the Nintendo Switch version had? Edit: I managed to find out why was Ramiel Dialogue was cut. I did taken a look at the Japanese version both Rerelease with Japanese Audio Option and the original Japanese release GameCube, he didn’t spoke on those two part of the dialogue that were cut in the rerelease, it was added in the English version for the GameCube. I do find that weird that was taken out or not added the Japanese audio in that part. (Super confusing)

[@rickster008]

My copy just got delivered yesterday :(

[@solonepeon5805]

R.i.p

[@rickster008]

@@solonepeon5805 smh and i was really looking forward to this on the switch, i played the GameCube version years ago. i'll contact Namco Bandai

[@DGMbeats]

This man clearly has good taste. I have the same symphonia poster

[@windego999]

The opinions everyone has all boil down to "It's still a great game but this is a downgrade, not a remaster." and it's true. You're paying more for less and it sucks.

[@Ahzafera]

The outline issues seem like an emulation/porting issue. Taking assets from an older console and trying to make it work on modern hardware. A few examples of official console games that do this would be games like Sonic Adventure when it got ported to the Gamecube and more recently, Super Mario 3D All Stars, which showed clear signs of graphical issues caused by emulation. Though the difference here is that at least Nintendo makes an effort to try and solve those issues while here... they let major issues slide.

[@davidwhidden9337]

"We already remastered this game for PS3 and PC" "Yeah, but what if we do it again and make it worse?" "Brilliant" I bought Vesperia. That game plays great. After Sonic Colors remaster being patched to heck and back, while stile being terrible, I was worried. Now? I just don't care for 3rd party remasters. Buy it on PC if it's not exclusive.

[@Litlrox]

14:35 Omg!! No wonder I didn’t know where the hell I was going. I had no clue where to go. I did look everywhere. It’s been years since I played the GC.

[@Seron-Lowell]

Fun Fact: The missing dialogue also exist in the GameCube PAL Version of ToS.

[@MikesterMF]

I have the steam deck. I bought the remastered steam version years ago. I love this game, and arguably saved my life when I was going through my depressive teens. I see no reason for the switch remaster to exist or buy it as it currently exists. And it breaks my heart

[@wusstunes]

AI upscaling is really gonna be a mixed bag for future ports. How many sloppy remasters are going to use it without the care needed to make it work?

[@Kasaaz]

This is like a Switch running a PS3 Emulator, running a PS2 Emulator, running a GameCube Emulator.

[@TyrekeCorrea]

@5:59 Oh, there was thought put into it; the development team thought they'd ruin everybody's experience.

[@Maxwell_Kenway]

I really hope they provide some patches soon. Big N should also intervene, because a game like this can give their consol a bad name. Like uhhhh, look at that bad consol! can't even play a game cube game. what piece of... . I really loved this game back in the day. butr playing the desert let me down really hard.

[@Soumein]

Never got to play this or any Tales game, but... Is that Font on the Gamecube version the same as Dark Cloud's?

[@Sahri81]

Yeah these remasters really feel like a cash grab. I hope Bandai Namco will take this criticism to heart and not make the same mistakes as with this one. This game was my first Tales game so I was happy to hear that there was a remaster of the game available for ps4. But in hindsight I should have waited for it to be on sale because this remaster wasn’t worth the amount I spent on it.

[@jiggling86]

it might just be a memory, but i cant remember the voices to be bad at all in the gamecube version, i first noticed when i played the pc port

[@ifrit1937]

Well they were able to get some of the VAs back to voice a handful of lines (new arte names for the most part and other new battle lines...maybe some more additional spoken scens too that I didn't notice) and said lines don't have the same quality as the OG scenes (likely due to using different equipment) and on top of that they likely messed up the sound quality of the older scenes too when ripping it from GC's audio to the PS2 audio (which is also why I find the 'don't have the source code for the GC version' to be a dumb argument as they'd likely need that or a copy of GC Symphonia that they could take it from to get said English audio...surprised anyone believes that theory given that specific fact: if they have the English voice acting they likely have the source code...as for why they don't use that version it's fairly simple: if they used that version you'd likely get a bunch of people complaining about any port based off it NOT having the PS2 only content added to that version...and if you need proof that will happen than look at the fact that English player complained for a decade before PS3 Vesperia released via Vesperia DE on current platforms, ya there's not AS MUCH content in Symphonia PS2 as Vesperia PS3 but still enough that people will likely complain).

[@abbytoocoolya1058]

Someday…. Someday Tales of the Abyss will be remastered….

[@Trakker1985]

I didn't even know there was a PS2 version >_>;;; Very sad, I guess if i want to play it again, i can just play it on my Gamecube, or emulate the gamecube version to play it in HD

[@wesin_]

"Bad Vibes Gaming", that's hard

[@GameBeatenakaKevinS]

I haven't played my Switch copy yet, so this is unfortunate to hear. Also makes me wish I had bought a Gamecube copy when I had the chance back in the day.

[@ShudoukenTV]

14:40 The lines are still said in full when you switch to Japanese, but its only 1 textbox in Japanese 2 in the English GC version. Them using the JP PS2 code as base for the ports made those English lines disappear. (Probably in other places as well)

[@TyrekeCorrea]

@2:03 Well, naturally! Now that so many more of us are aware that Samus is a girl, we want to take advantage of the latest technology in order to check out her rack! ... Or, to be more precise, all of us wanted to take advantage of the latest technology in order to see to it that a rack was built on Samus which we could all delight in... Even if the rack we mostly see is a metal one.

[@TheRootBeerKing]

ToD Director's Cut is never leaving the PS2, luckily it's been fully fan translated and can be played and enjoyed by an English speaking audience if one has the means to do so(PS2 emulator, modded PS2/3). Bamco likes to pretend that the sprite based Tales of games don't exist in the west. Shame cause they are the best in the series. Luckily we got talented fans out there releasing english patches for all the greats like Phantasia X, Destiny 2, Rebirth, Destiny Director's Cut, and Hearts.

[@ItachiUchiha-qn3ox]

the only thing i wanted from the remaster would have been removing the casting delay if multiple casters are in the party

[@wpninja83]

I wish somebody made an upscaled texture pack for the gamecube version soo much. As far as I know one doesn't exist.

[@osvaldozepeda1755]

This was my first JRPG I have ever played and well I'm still on harvestella and I keep seeing videos about it bring bad has made me wait on actually playing it. Symphonia was the best Tales of for me. After was Tales of the Abyss. If they make a remake hopefully it's good.

[@vaderman212]

Man, Bamco, what the flip is this?

[@ignasia7230]

After the insanely high sales of Tales of Arise? They won't see low sales as a slight on the Tales series, but they might look at it from the angle that Tales of Abyss/Symphonia/Vesperia and potentially other older Tales games aren't worth the effort. That said, the cost of this was probably not particularly high. It seems like they hired out to very amateur new coders with minimal experience. That's my guess anyhow. It's a tragedy as this game is one of my favourites, and I was really hoping to see Tales of Destiny's PS2 release finally see some love and come here, then a remaster of Destiny 2, then Eternia, as those are some of my favourite (and the changes to Destiny in its remake is amazing, taking a very slow and clunky system and making it smooth and speedy like Eternia, with a hint of the battle system style of Abyss/Symphonia/Vesperia). I don't get this, I'm hoping they're actually working to fix it? I doubt it given their treatment of the PS3 release. They had the ability to upload patches for that system. It does put a sour taste in my mouth, but I am happy to know I still have my GC (and Wii), and the original Symphonia. I pre-ordered this game the moment it was announced, assuming that given how well Vesperia was handled, they wouldn't do a drag and drop type of port of the PS3, with minor optimization tweaks...which is exactly what they did. This is one of the most beloved games in the series, even today, so it is shocking. Here's to hoping they actually do plan to fix it...and more importantly, how much dialogue is cut from the original experience? How was that even fudged up when they dropped the game disc of the PS2 version and used that as the basis for the PS3, and wasn't caught or fixed then?

[@followertheleader]

Tales of destiny 2 joke got me. North American localization always caused more confusion than necessary.

[@ubermaster1]

Was so excited for this too, the game that made me fall in love with video games in general, it deserved so much better than this.

[@leaflenster7340]

I'm so glad I own the original version of this game and have basically since its western release. I've heard nothing but bad things about the remaster so far and I heard people were annoyed at the port for being 30fps, and not only did they make that mistake once, but now twice. It's also actually kinda sad that your video about the bad things of the port is almost ten minutes longer than your video on the ToS being best for Gamecube. Like, it just has enough to complain about that the video is that much longer. I admit this is one of my least favorite games in the franchise as a whole when considering my feelings on every game, but this one /was/ my first for Tales so it's a shame to see it treated as just another cash grab. Seeing this makes me want to... actually /not/ see remasters done for other Tales games. Ports that are just the exact same version of the old game maybe, but the problem with ports for games like Destiny DC is that the original game wasn't playable on a Nintendo system, so they'd have to re-release the entire game, and they'd probably never release Destiny DC in the form it was originally in. They'd end up remastering/remaking it, and lately remakes with Nintendo just seem to bomb. Bandai Namco in particular is obsessed with remakes though so they would probably do that anyway. Wouldn't be shocked /at all/ if we suddenly saw Phantasia get a remake, of theeee remake, of theeee remake of the original.

[@Zerolink30]

This saddens me, Symphonia was my introduction to the Tales series and was so excited when i heard about the Remaster. I have no way of playing the original anymore, are this issues just on the Switch version?

[@KnucklestheEcidna]

I already had MASSIVE issues with these kind of things when i first got the switch on day 1. just a never ending barrage of EVERY SINGLE GAME I bought on the system to have game breaking glitches. it's gotten a little bit better to the point that I can actually PLAY my current library of games. but seeing how so many of these ports are actually releasing in such a BROKEN state. I see no reason to even invest in the switch console anymore.

[@TheeLZ]

I hoped they remaster Tales of Abyss and uh.. Do it right. Or Eternia! Does anyone remember Eternia!? "I can't wait to eat your omelettes!" - Says Reid, clearly an innuendo for sex. Maybe. Or he's just hungry. STILL! When we getting that one!? With the Garnet Crow Opening!

[@DelEnd_Virtua]

I was hopeful but I should have known better... Oh well I still own two original GC disks (its my favorite game to this day) and I always have Dolphin if I wanna mess with visuals... I really wanted this to be a good re release just so maybe new people would try it.

[@WildBassfly]

I'm so glad I just have owned this on GC my whole life!

[@iselinDDLV]

Thank you! I saved my money, this is so bad. I better play it on GC again🥰

[@camb06]

You know, if they focused on Quality of Life changes, like the fight transitions and 60fps base and the transparent backdrop for scenes and things like that, there’s a lot that players would forgive. This looks like jarring mess that I doubt anyone would want to continue playing for 60 hours

[@Geneolgia]

I hope the Baten Kaitos colletion gets a better treatment.

[@gavingraham2851]

I caught the pre-release review warnings, hmmn'd and hah'd for a few days, but downloaded the Switch version anyway. Too busy to play first week; yet one title screen option held no spoilers for me, so I pressed play... The music breaks up during the credits. Many times...

[@Zyibis]

I think the whole missing lines with Remiel was a bad censor to avoid the topic of Heaven.

[@kristinabozza8309]

I will add that as someone who was nervous about playing this game on a switch, I bought the ps4 version. The menu and battle transitions are all like the original.

[@WanderSeth]

This port is the shining example of “the straw that broke the camel’s back”. So many little problems that accumulate into a huge, glaring distaste for this port

[@VOAN]

I don't get why these games started having to read terms of service now. It's not like these are games as service. It's almost like they want to annoy their customers. Before the HD era we usually never had to read terms of service before starting a game unless the game itself had some kind of online multiplayer mode, microtransaction, or something. Sent this video to Bandai Namco so they see their laziness and correct these. There's no excuse for why these are like this.

[@lumaicelike4904]

I own the ps3 collection one, but I never really played it since I still had the GameCube version. Is the dialogue really missing in that one, and that's why it's missing in the switch?

[@SIDDqlo]

I'm glad I just got the Gamecube version

[@jeremyc3496]

I want to see Tales of Xillia 1 and 2 ported over. i still think it had one of the best battle systems of them all. Don't get me started on Tales of Arise, for a high budget game, i felt they did the opposite compared to this symphonia remaster. They spent way to much time making that game look pretty instead of the battle system. it just felt very cut and dry and empty. I have played EVERY tales game, even the Japanese only ports. This symphonia remaster is not even going to make it to my switch, i'll just keep the ps3 one i have on my steam deck. I did love the GameCube version, but i did not realize just how much cut content there was from the American release until i played the first re-release. I guess we wait and see whatever they shovel out next.

[@seseiSeki]

The outlines look like they're not bound to the resolution. I'm not an expert, but my guess is that the outlines weren't scaled up when they increased the resolution. Maybe lowering the resolution makes them appear thicker? That's a thing I'd like to see tested. I think the Switch can go down to 480p, right? :D Ah, but maybe it's just the output resolution and games are still rendered in 720p and just downscaled.

[@StonerJames]

You are not trashing the remake at all. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I wish I had waited a couple days before downloading this game to hear the reviews because if I heard this review before buying it I never would have. I have only played up to the first seal and I haven't played anymore of it because it just sucks to bad. I hope these mistakes that you mention this video is something that can be fixed with patches. As well as add voice to the skits as in Vesperia. Since I couldn't play this remaster anymore, I've started another play through of Tales of Vesperia instead.

[@Igamikun]

I'm hopefully happy I bought the PS3 2-pack for like $13 on eBay a month before this was announced. Say hopefully cause I don't know if it's got similar issues to this post yet as I haven't had time to play it yet.

[@FahrenPFR]

gotta play the game with sunglasses 😎 every time you fight.

[@HyouVizer]

I am so scared for Baten Kaitos remasters now. Both have same publishers, Bamco let this Re:Bastardized version of Symphonia go through.

[@adventurealways]

I just got my copy in the mail over the weekend and my god the desert effing melted my soul. This is my favorite game of all time and i’m just… so sad. 🥲 but i’m just happy to be playing this again..

[@BorbMcGorb]

Ah yes Symphonia, a game that ran at smooth 60 FPS on its initial release on the GameCube and then never again over the next two decades.

[@jacobp1189]

What the last "remastered" version was ps3? Oh guess I should have watched the video and could see the ps3 game lol.

[@jamman7344]

The game was made for the GameCubes CPU, but newer CPU's. I can see why it would be difficult

[@flaminginferno6641]

​@@jamman7344that's.. Not the reason? The port is based on the PS3 version which was in turn based on the PS2 version which is why it's at 30 FPS, it has nothing to do with the Gamecube's CPU

[@iwbtg231]

​@@flaminginferno6641lost source code is the reason

[@MelaKaden]

They obviously slapped this together for a quick buck, and that's heartbreaking. This was my first JRPG and made me fall in love with the genre, and it deserved so much better.

[@_CrimsonBlade]

welcome to gaming in 2023

[@David-nd4to]

It’s a game from like 2004. I’m not sure what you were expecting? It’s not a remake but just a spit and polish to get it out on more platforms.

[@jaymeister26]

@@David-nd4toi wouldn’t call it “spit and polish”. Almost certain they just ported it directly from the PS2 and branded it as a remastered.

[@David-nd4to]

@@jaymeister26 you’re entitled to your opinion

[@Nagatem]

@@jaymeister26 Actually it’s most likely a port of the PS3 version that was remastered from the PS two version hence the additional costumes that were included with the PS3 version if you had saved data from other PS3 tales games such as graces and xillia Hence the Alvin costume zelos gets

[@DigitalStarry]

Also I forgot to add: The reason the voice lines are missing is because the English version added more textboxes to accumulate the English script (since English usually needs more words than JP to say the same thing). With this though they just pasted the English script into the JP game with no adjustments to the amount of textboxes which is why voice lines are missing.

[@CheesyLizzy]

That's terrible

[@jakef.7126]

That is absolutely insane... It could be so easily fixed. I can't believe they left something so broken in a new, expensive "remaster". I find it openly disrespectful towards the customers. Certainly not buying this port, I think emulation would give better results.

[@k4keko]

@@jakef.7126 I once played the PS2 version on an emulator, and it was quite a terrible experience. All sorts of frame rate issues and stuttering that couldn't be fixed.

[@jakef.7126]

@@k4keko Man... Fair enough, but I think adding text boxes isn't rocket science. They could have done without the awful AI upscaling and released it as a cheap port and not as "remaster". Sadly I don't have the answer for how to rerelease Tales of Symphonia but this has been an absolute train wreck. I feel money was not spent on optimising the frame rate or recreating visual effects (screen shatter or background in menu)

[@imAgentR]

@@k4kekoI’ve played my copy on Dolphin and it runs like clockwork. Plus there’s HD textures and blue removal and the widescreen hack that makes it enjoyable. Dumped it a long time ago and never gave a thought to any of the ports.

[@Froge0]

Sounds pretty similar to what happened with Sonic Adventure, the problems just keep snowballing with rereleases but that version is always chosen because it has the most content on paper

[@dreamsdeep1076]

They could just remaster the DX game again and fix bugs and graphical issues

[@UltimateTS64]

And just like SADX, fans can make mods to give it the look of the original, with the content of the expanded version

[@okagron]

@@jaretco6423 It is still incredibly glitchy with bad collision and the main source for the criticism that SA 1 is buggy. When in reality the original didn't had most of the glitches from the DX version.

[@okagron]

@@jaretco6423 I have fell through the world several times, specially in loops (there's the infamous Emerald Coast loop), so it is glitchy. And none of these are in the Dreamcast version.

[@UltimateTS64]

Dreamcast version is definitely more stable, but the DX version is buggies and overall the Dreamcast version just looks better too me

[@neroultimate1]

This is a true “Tales of” fan. He said everything that was on our minds & more. I hope someone from Bandai actually hears the fans cause this is fucked up we gotta put up with this.

[@LaCazaLP]

Nah mate. Tales of Arise sold like crazy. Even tho it was heartbreaking and an instant turn of for me that they cut Mulitplayer. sorry but there was no other JRPG series where you could Couch Coop a whole game and really play as a team. ToS and TotA where my entry point for JRPGS. And i played the HELL out of them.TotA was the reason why i learned english. Because it never got a EU/German release. So i had to buy it from the US and learn to read and understand english. But it did because it was one of the BEST games i had played to this point in time. And it was worth it. The struggles i had with my 2 cousins to understand what to do and where to go. Such great memories. And even to this day. Once every 2-3 years we get together just to play through Symphonia,Abyss,Vesperia, Xillia and Berseria. And its always a blast. so we where incredible sad to find out that last years gaming season was played without Arise because it didn had Multiplayer. So sad.

[@the-man-who-bites-his-tongue]

If he's a true fan why is he play dubs? that's the fake audio track. he should play the actual game, which includes its real audio.

[@Flash33c]

@@the-man-who-bites-his-tongue Even if he did play with JP voices (which aren't anymore fake than the ENG ones) that wouldn't change the fact that that's the least of the games issues, issues which were highlighted in this video and which wouldn't magically go away just from a simple VO track change. To claim or act otherwise would be disingenuous, ignorant and biased.

[@lysanderxx1664]

I don't know about you, but my wife and I have been loving this game on the Switch.

[@IronBlaze77]

Dang, that’s unfortunate. EDIT: seeing the pure black background in menus, track cuts in the music during loading screens, and abrupt battle transitions makes me believe that there was absolutely _no_ love and care put into this port.

[@TronicSpeed]

No love? This feels like an actual insult to the fans and I've never played a Tales of game.

[@TwilightWolf032]

It's like they only bothered to put in enough effort to make sure it would boot and respond to the control inputs, then said "this is enough" and shipped it like that.

[@nezkeys79]

​@@TwilightWolf032 I mean they could have just doen nothing at all

[@lucuador1992]

Seriously. I stopped at the triet ruins because damn the frames dropped horribly.

[@TwilightWolf032]

@@nezkeys79 That would have been more dignified.

[@RoyalHustler09]

This “Remastered” was just Namco being lazy and doing this for an easy cash grab. Which is a shame; because they did a fantastic job with Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition. Tales of Symphonia holds the hearts for many people me included due to that fact that this got me into the series (though it’s not my favorite from the series). You would think Namco would put more care into this one seeing the game sold to a million on just the Gamecube alone before porting to other systems. This feels like they did this for PlayStation and then made the Switch version as an obligation; because the original was on a Nintendo platform and they would get blasted for not releasing it on the Switch after literally giving everyone the better version of TOV on all platforms. Now we’re going to hear folks say the see this is why the Switch sucks. No this is why you shouldn’t half ass your products.

[@nintyfan1991]

"You would think Namco would put more care into this one seeing the game sold to a million on just the Gamecube alone before porting to other systems." No it didn't. It never hit a million until the PlayStation 2 version arrived in Japan. Third parties tended to port games from the GameCube because of that platforms low sales. Capcom did it a lot (Viewtiful Joe, RE4, Killer 7). Sega even did it (Sonic Heroes-onward, Super Monkey Ball). Again, can we stop with the revisionist GameCube takes? Tommy Tallarico got busted for that by hbomberguy during the whole Amico fiaco.

[@RoyalHustler09]

@@nintyfan1991 okay that’s my bad. I see that the GameCube version sold close to a million.

[@ifrit1937]

I don't know if you played Vesperia DE on Switch on release but no they did not do a great job there...on Switch it had constant crashing issues that were bad enough for me to drop the game and have yet to go back and play it (got/am too focused on completely new games that a game who's main scenario I already beat on Xbox 360 is still backstage for me right now)...ya this got patched out later but doesn't change the fact ToV wasn't a fantastic job especially as you also ignored how pissed people were with Namco with Vesperia DE in regards to the voice acting issue as well with Troy Baker (and probably others) getting changed cause Namco didn't want to throw out the extra cash needed for that to happen.

[@RoyalHustler09]

@@ifrit1937 I had no crashes while playing the Switch version. Though sucks that you did.

[@leon4000]

I have to also bring up Klonoa Phantasy Reverie. While game can run mostly. The game can't run a steady 60FPS and tends to waver by plenty. This causes button presses to not register on point. Klonoa 2 is a good example of this, and I own that of the physical copy (Europe) since only Asia and Europe had physical copies. This problem screwed with my 150 dreamstone runs, especially on hoverboard stages.

[@DarkAura19]

It's just so baffling that it turned out the way it did. You have the Vesperia remaster that had even MORE Japan exclusive content SEEMLESSLY brought over, and that ran significantly better despite being an entire generation above Symphonia. Just... man.

[@ifrit1937]

Eh he/you forgot that at launch but Vesperia Switch also had at least a constant crashing issue at launch...it was bad enough I dropped the game completely and have yet to go back to it (granted I beat the Xbox 360 version multiple times so the ONLY parts I didn't play (though I saw in KZbin videos years before the DE version released) are the new content additions). Also...your argument about comparing Symphonia and Vesperia's generations doesn't really make sense tbh as Vesperia is from a later generation of console that likely fixed issues with game development that existed during Symphonia GC/PS2's time while all the assets were still fairly old for that generation of gaming (the game's art style is just really good...same art style as Zelda Windwaker which still looks great today even though it came out 7 years before Vesperia/2 years before Symphonia in 2001). Hell on Xbox 360/PS3 Vesperia it ran 30 fps on field, 60 on battle and was 720 p on Xbox 360 and 1280 by 576 on PS3 which means the only real thing it had over GC Symphonia was resolution which pretty much all games started changing the resolution to around 720p in the years in between these 2 games releases as the rise of HD started at closer to Vesperia's release than Symphonia's. And as far as PS2 version (that all later versions are based of) given the PS2 was weaker than the Gamecube (which was why all animations were remade from scratch and locked to 30 fps for the PS2 release) comparing that console version over the better (technical wise) Gamecube version is kinda ridiculous as when comparing something you take the best version, not the worse.

[@Loner098]

You know what? I don't even want a port of Chrono Trigger then (even though I already first played it on the Steam/PC version in the Summer of 2022).

[@hootle4641]

​@@ifrit1937 I think that was a memory leak problem. Which in general seems very common with Switch games, especially ports of games that never have this issue previously. Even first party games, like Pokémon, Xenoblade and Hyrule Warriors port. I'm not a code monkey so I'm not sure if this is the game or the console, but the PC version didn't have this crash issue and i never had issues with Scarlet on emulator even after long play sessions. So I'm thinking it's the console not being able to sustain sleep mode for extended periods. The way around it is to not leave your console in sleep mode until your next play session and reset your system way more often. Though vesperia did have other issues, like the sound mixing, voice acting quality and direction, and odd changes. It gave me a good laugh with "Zod" instead of Zaude though.

[@boshwa20]

Vesperia isn't even a good game

[@megasoniczxx]

Vesperia only turned out the way it did because it already ran decently on the console that they ported the game from. Every version of Symphonia since the GCN version has been a port of the PS2 one which ran at 30fps.