Lucy Letby EXCLUSIVE: The Man Who Took Down 'Evil' and 'Depraved' Baby Murdering Killer Nurse

There was no single piece of evidence that showed directly that Lucy Letby was guilty.
There was though instead significant circumstantial evidence that pointed the finger at her. Dr. Dewi Evans is a retired consultant paediatrician who was one of the two paediatric specialists bought in by the prosecution.
Independent medical witness Evans explains how he got involved in the Lucy Letby case and how his evidence led to her downfall.
"It's probably the single most appalling event in any hospital in the NHS over the past 75 years."
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[@talktv]

How long should Lucy Letby spend in jail?

[@Maconnaith]

Life without parole

[@marioskublan7273]

​@jordan3405 your disgusting.

[@yvonnesugrue167]

She should never see the light of day again, lock her up and throw away the key. My heart breaks for the families of all these little babies 💔

[@Angel-kf4sg]

She shouldn’t even be in prison, this is so so wrong

[@mariewalmsley6143]

None ,put her in a room with the parents.

[@roseelee1]

As a nurse of 26yrs I can tell you that managers are a curse on the NHS, they have NO medical experience whatsoever yet dictate to doctors and nursing staff on how the hospital is to be run. The worse thing that was ever done to the NHS was when they removed the Matrons as they ran the wards extremely efficiently. Especially when it comes to cleanliness and hygiene as they had authority over the cleaners who were employed by the NHS unlike now, where they don't answer to the hospital as they are contracted in, and as a result of this we have had Legionnaire's disease etc. BRING BACK THE MATRON!!

[@yasmeenrtubv1841]

This is so true .. I work in the NHS and it is reflected in all aspects of NHS ..

[@laetitialogan2017]

Totally agree

[@artsy38]

What u on about the cleaners are employed by NHS . They answer to thier supervisor not a nurse . Why should they answer to a nurse ; wtf do nurses know about cleaning.

[@EhaniHope]

Agreed 💯 Nursing management is a dark joke. Real clownwork... As a fellow nurse here. My heart hurts at this state of NHS. It's ghastly

[@EhaniHope]

​@@artsy38what year are you talking about? Get real. Get really real. If you're not educated on how the system works now please educate yourself. This isn't about your cleaning skills or your ego. Get down from your high horse.

[@johnlowe3050]

Managers need a trial as well....they didnt murder themselves but allowed her to carry on murdering even after medics screamed a warning to them.

[@chrissmith6245]

Agreed in full

[@user-hp5jz5ji7g]

Managers who are not qualified doctors threaten those who are concerned qualified professionals. I feel so sorry for the doctors involved in this. It is unacceptable they should have been dismissed despite their concerns. Those Managers should be put on trial

[@steadyeddie7]

Agreed, they cared about nothing but they're own ego's and professional image. Dereliction of they're professional duty of care.

[@paulrichards6894]

think the doctor said at least 5 babies could have been saved.....they should be jailed with her

[@johnlowe3050]

@@user-hp5jz5ji7g it appears the managers were worried about repuatation of the unit so covered up the medics concerns....looking after their own jobs.

[@kristin5700]

The staff who were suspicious of Letby were forced to apologize to her? That’s appalling and criminal.

[@Pinkcandy777]

Absolutely :(

[@KJ-lb4tj]

It's appalling, but not a crime, not criminal

[@gigigigi1508]

Typical in NHS. I work on the night-shift with girl who left me on my own when I needed help with an urgent samples. The managers called me out and made to apologies to her because they like her not me. So I left that place but this happens in very UK hospitals

[@peterrandall9523]

Disgraceful

[@enagreco3280]

The worst is that Letby has the choice not to be physically present in court during trial. It's a slap in the face to the victims IMO.

[@Aihana84]

Do you all realise those babies felt tremendous amount of pain before passing away? One of the victim’s mom heard her child scream bloody murder with blood coming out from his mouth. This woman is pure evil!

[@shrubhunt]

a baby screamed 'bloody murder'? ......

[@irinamaria4005]

​@@shrubhuntit's a saying, as in "the baby was screaming extremely loudly, it was in distress, in pain", etc

[@irinamaria4005]

​@@shrubhuntit's a saying, as in "the baby was screaming extremely loudly, it was in distress, in pain", etc

[@kellz5135]

And worse she will now be protected in prison by rhe government so other inmates can't get to her

[@Tawadeb]

Shes an evil psychopath

[@bweb6]

As a current medical professional myself, i absolutely agree with Dr Evans' suggestion that non-clinical managers have taken over far too much control of the NHS.

[@healingypsy]

THEY ARE JUST BRAINLESS POWER CRAZY OVERPAYED MANIPULATIVE COLD HEARTED CONTROLING NARCISSISTS

[@user-bk6uf9oy4y]

Many Managers are removed from reality; don’t care.

[@averyj5446]

Can someone find out if she worked or did work experience in Beckenham hospital in 2013, I met cold cruel nurse who had similar appearance to this woman. Had I not bee present at the time, I think that woman would have done serious harm to my baby.

[@TheFreemanuk]

YOU GO TO THE FUCKING POLICE.

[@ruthbashford3176]

Dr Evans should have kept his nose out of it as he was a retired paediatrician, not a forensic scientist or pathologist and he had no experience of investigating mass murder in a hospital sentence. The babies that Letby is accused of murdering were actually autopsied and found to have died of natural causes. Evans disregarded the findings of the pathologists and developed his own theories. He made his claims based on a review of the clinical records and images taken at autopsy.

[@jaqflash5227]

What's shocking about this case is no lessons were learnt from the Beverly Allitt murders, the fact they missed TEN warnings that Letby was up to no good is absolutely terrifying and shocking. Those who ignored the warning signs should also be charged.

[@djolivierastro]

Not to mention the endless list of young people dropping dead/dying in their sleep after taking the sauce

[@sinceresong9907]

People don't want to believe it...pitiful. Let's hope this raises the bar of diligence and safeguarding of babies in hospital.

[@jaqflash5227]

@@sinceresong9907 You are absolutely spot on 👏👍👍.

[@jaqflash5227]

@@Steves_fish That's right. She had all that time to do whatever she liked. Shocking.

[@danicagallos]

Yes. If there is one person everytime many babies die? Whos to ask about that?

[@Gattsu1986]

As the father of 2 young babies who were born in the last 5 years, i stayed present with them the whole time, whilst my wife was recuperating! I wouldn't trust anyone, NHS or not, you never really truly know what people are capable of! Absolutely disgusting what this evil woman did!

[@kellz5135]

My twins were in special care and they couldn't get me out of there, I refused to move after they tried to send me home the 1st week and I'd do it all again, my babies were not being left without me or their dad.

[@Gattsu1986]

@@kellz5135 full respect to you, despite your condition and state after giving birth you decided to fight for your babies and I applaud you for your courage but sadly, not everyone is as strong as you. In light of these monstrosities, we hope people will be less trusting moving forwards or better, a system in place to ensure babies aren't separated from the only person they need to be with after birth, their mother's.

[@rayy4pres194]

Respect to you dad for being the second set of eyes while mom was recovering! I’m American but my partner and I had this same system. Our daughter never left our sight. You simply cannot trust anyone!

[@Pho909]

​@kellz5135 Don't blame you, it's a shame the level of trust within the medical field has severely depleted.

[@kellz5135]

@Gattsu1986 I thankfully had a very supportive partner. I know it isn't easy for everyone and we shouldn't even have to worry like this. Sad state of affairs.

[@annashaw858]

There should absolutely be manslaughter charges for those who dismissed concerns raised. Its disgusting that a consultant had to apologise for doing his clinical duty

[@gurutruecrimeguru1405]

Not manslaughter but some form of accountability.

[@peaceangel-rl2hf]

Breach of duty of care, negligent deaths. Hospital is liable, potentially criminally liable imo. Manslaughter by negligence.

[@annashaw858]

@@gurutruecrimeguru1405 involuntary manslaughter by gross negligence for the babies killed after the point of concerns being raised (possibly 5 babies)

[@ruthbashford3176]

Because these consultants needed a scapegoat for the disgusting state of the CoCH neonatal unit an innocent woman has been sentenced to a whole life term.

[@therange4033]

The essence of child abuse is that it happens ''in the dark''. The Managers should also go to court. Dr Evans is a humble, clever man. Thank you Doc!

[@paulrichards6894]

one said he did everything to stop while the sametime calling the doctors bullies against the killer

[@foryourlugsonly]

Humble? The boy thinks he's Quincy! Myers was right about him and his evidence.

[@janethollman7894]

We need to go back to the good standard set by matrons, sisters and staff nurses. Not managers who are not trained nurses or worked on a ward. We were watched by the sister and staff nurses. Standards had to be maintained or you were taken to Matron who would be fierce. You loved your job and took pride in your work. Like most of them today, with these people on the ward someone like Lucy would be found out. The doctors would raise their concerns with the sister and or Matron. The old system worked better and standards higher.

[@peterstephens733]

He's one of the best - he taught me as a student.

[@bohemenper1636]

Dr Ravi is to be saluted

[@CyberLotus2]

When he says the default position of NHS managers when things go wrong is to cover up is 100% true.They need to be trialled as well.This is the most obnxious,appalling event in any NHS hospital, infact anywhere around the world.The Details are so distressing.

[@jennyg-uf1uo]

I spent 40 years working in the public sector: education and social services and I know that there were many coverups by senior managers.

[@nicolataylor6011]

100%..these managers need to be arrested for murder as well..

[@M_SC]

It’s also true in US hospitals that are quite different obviously. The common denominator is non medical people

[@kathleenunsworth4558]

When someone of his experience and reputation days that there has to be truth in it. By 'covering up', they are condoning the wrong doer and allowing them to carry on and do more harm!

[@ruthbashford3176]

It was actually the doctors who were trying to cover up the appalling state of the CoCH neonatal unit. The consultants had been severely reprimanded in a report from the Royal College of Paediatricians & Child Health. A scapegoat had to be found......

[@MichelleWilliamson-dp5nj]

The managers should be investigated and held accountable! Shameful!

[@bepolite6961]

The work of this Doctor needs recognising. He has been caring for our children all their lives and has given them justice in their death.

[@fritula6200]

be polite... in reply. Wonderful comment:

[@GradKat]

I once worked for the NHS (around 30 years ago). It was then a dysfunctional, inefficient, disorganised mess; it doesn’t seem any better now. It’s full of managers with fancy titles and six-figure salaries who care more about keeping their jobs than the patients’ welfare.

[@cocoaorange1]

That is truly sad, sounds similar to the issues in the US.

[@Simpson4756]

❤I remember it happening. We were fine, then all these managers rocked up in company cars, I can remember standing at the window and saying. "Bloody hell, there's more of them than us!" It all went downhill.

[@jacquelinebailey3637]

@@Simpson4756 - my sister worked at Guy's hospital most of her working life. I remember her railing against these Managers, people with no medical experience, no qualifications whatsoever. The system needs changing.

[@rebeccamoon5315]

Same except 17 years ago, I found it much more efficient when the sisters / matrons ran the wards/ units

[@joycewright5386]

Hospitals in the U.S. are no different!

[@guydreamr]

Beyond the killer herself of course, the management of this hospital need to be held accountable for these abominable crimes. Excessive levels of insulin in the blood of a baby who didn't need it? That right there should've told them something nefarious was afoot.

[@christinebeames712]

Hi just what I wrote , how did they think the insulin got there ? Magic? They knew it had to be murder,

[@kjp1232]

Hey should be on nonce wing with her

[@judedonnelly4100]

​@@kjp1232What ????????

[@kjp1232]

@@judedonnelly4100 hospital management should be on the baby killers prison wing with this monster because they are responsible for ignoring reports about the beast.

[@alij7232]

The fact that it took over two years for something to happen is mind boggling.

[@carolemmett9385]

This case is horrifying. Unbelievable and outrageous. That staff were forced to apologize to this monster is unconscionable.

[@TheMazinoz]

Entitled, narcissistic nurses are very common these days unfortunately. They don't enter the profession to help patients, only their own ego, appearance of being a professional, want the status of good nurses, all the while abusing patients and lacking any medical knowledge or empathy.

[@imgrateful7142]

@@TheMazinozYou are correct. I’ve encountered nurses who seem as if they don’t even like people. No compassion or bedside manner whatsoever. It’s like why are you here? 🥲✅

[@TheMazinoz]

@@imgrateful7142 I've encountered some who were much worse, not only ignorant, but not even getting basic details at triage, not realising something like possible impending but avoidable blindness is an emergency then being bullied. Never going back to one hospital in Brisbane Australia. Found out later they have bad reputation at other hospitals even.

[@TheMazinoz]

@@AquaFyre The evidence and the police and the jury don't agree with this interpretation.

[@TheMazinoz]

@@AquaFyre So you want a video of her killing a child??

[@bluebowser3347]

I find it disgusting anyone would ever title her: Lucy Letby "Angel of Death" It makes her sound more majestic and glorifies her. She wasn't an angel of death, she was just a twisted woman who preyed on the most vulnerable of humanity.

[@nanalooloo806]

Exactly not "Angel of death" But "Demon of Death Lucy the Lucifer"

[@user-gi7jn6oe8q]

Unsupervised free with those baby’s , no doctors no matron no second nurse to work together nil Hospital on trail not her

[@krissmith9361]

Demon would be more appropriate.

[@LoCatherine-vx5yj]

Yes it’s disgusting

[@sweetiepie1372]

Presumably because nurses are, or certainly used to be, called Angels?

[@randomcomputer7248]

A child nurse killing the children under her care is absolutely terrifying !

[@SaydeeEnward4500]

Literally not one shred of evidence she done anything

[@sharontodd2732]

​@@SaydeeEnward4500Open your eyes & ears, she wrote in her diary that she had done it & asked herself if she was evil.

[@y2ksurvivor]

​@@SaydeeEnward4500lol lazy troll

[@SaydeeEnward4500]

@@sharontodd2732 yeah that's not what her diary said at all

[@Silkysmooth-qk5nc]

@@sharontodd2732nope they pointed out one line - how come they didn’t show the whole paragraph of what she wrote? I’m sorry but I’m evil comment is pretty common think for people to write for whatever reason

[@anne-louisegoldie]

Those poor babies. It's horrific, the whole story. The murders, the lack of intervention by her nurse bosses and the hospital managers. The heartbreak of the parents and families. Just awful 😢

[@user-md7gr5uf1n]

Lets not forget the criminal negligence shown by senior hospital managers, many of whom quit and moved into other well paid health and social care jobs. These people should be barred from ever working in these sectors again.

[@davidjackson3818]

I took early retirement from the NHS as the 'political and managerial' interference in my surgical practice meant that I was not necessarily providing best care, but protocol directed care along almost rigid lines, with a reduction in my surgical beds (a ridiculous passing fad) which paralysed my performance of major surgical procedures. I had been a consultant for 30 years and I was being dictated to by numpties, who would not listen, just as in the Lucy Letby case.

[@pauljames970]

Every single one of her managers should lose their jobs. Even the slightest suspicions should have been acted on !!!

[@andrewashmore8000]

Correct

[@MsPieO]

They need to go to jail. That’s absolute negligence on the hospital’s part.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Most - if not all - have already moved on....

[@DMR1010]

So their strategic decision was to opt to protect their reputation, 13 babies died and now they’re in the world’s spotlight. How’s that decision working out for you, managers? Hold everyone involved fully accountable, not just allowing them to resign, a criminal investigation. It sends a vital message that needs to be heard, loudly!

[@nellyb2434]

Excellent interview. It was very refreshing to hear Dr Dewi Evans talk openly and honestly about NHS management and its failings. I worked for the NHS and attended many management meetings. My mum passed away in the same hospital I was working at and it was after that, I could not work there any longer. I minuted meetings that involved many patient complaints and the 'brushing under the rug' that went on was staggering. When I witnessed the lack of care that my mum received and the feeble excuses that went along with that, I left. The management did not have a clue what went on on the wards and when issues were brought to their attention, all they cared about was how they could excuse it, careful to avoid an apology in case they were held responsible. This, sadly, is as terrible as it can get.

[@olwens1368]

Dr Evans is very impressive- calm, reasoned, confidence inspiring. He's done a great service in this case. Deserves recognition far more than many who get 'honours'.

[@shaunhunterit342]

He's a boss. He doesn't ask the police, he tells them 16:10

[@averyj5446]

I think what he did was to solely to focus on the case/ the evidence, rather than the personality rather the then the accused and that is why he made his decision. Often people are side tracked by what the person look like they could do that sort of thing blah blah.

[@quantumoon]

@@averyj5446 Maybe in the public eye, but not in a professional tribunal lmao

[@averyj5446]

@@quantumoon Same people in public are the same people sitting in the tribunal, you think they are different species or what?

[@RC-gh7os]

​@@quantumoonwell said. His testimony has previously been thrown out by an excellent and highly professional judge (not going to comment on the presiding judge in this trial, think his bizarredecisionmaking in this case speaks for itself) in a previous case for not being considered 'expert'. He was not registered with the GMC when he was assisting in the LL investigation. Shocking stuff. Don't be fooled by the media.

[@maryearll3359]

What a charming, upright, honest, kind, level headed, thorough man, using his skills he had built up over his 50 years of service. He must have found the experience very daunting. My respect goes to him, the doctors who tried to bring this to the forefront of the useless managers . God bless the stricken parents and families; the babies are now safe. R.I.P. little ones ❤

[@raechelweir8861]

Very well said😊

[@bambina3148]

Dr Evans examined my son 30 years ago in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. He was so kind and caring. A true doctor and consummate professional.

[@peterstephens733]

He's one of the best - he taught me as a student

[@bambina3148]

@@peterstephens733 absolute gentleman.

[@samsungmccullagh3608]

No evidence was found, no autopsy, no blood work or body screening. Only thing she was convicted on as he view. Well that's crazy way too for out court in UK too act. Was once dne my evidence. No seem anyone can have a point view and you can be convicted shamefull. Clearly you dnt know about other cases around world extremely similar too this where nurse after time was shown not too be at fault. It's disgrace with our.court system. I feel extremely sad for babies that lost they lifes. And those families. NHS now will have too pay millions in compensation for so called lack of care and negligence. I hope.anyone that one here not convicted by a.point view and not evidence.

[@Pho909]

The management team need to be interviewed by the police. I strongly believe they should be charged. Absolutely disgusting that doctors were forced to apologise to this twisted killer. Hope she gets her just desserts in her new home.

[@judithjjd]

The managers are absolutely responsible. Reputation over lives it’s a disgrace

[@Ceedee0906]

The managers should be there too!! For negligence

[@25MK]

Thank you Dr. Evans for your service. Dr Ravi Jayaram was also instrumental in putting a stop to this too. Grateful that the doctors were eventually heard in the end. But it should not have taken this long. Shocking situation all round. The management need to be jailed too.

[@pauljackson2409]

It's understandable, that Dr Evans says that he has 'drawn a line' under further involvement. It must take a dreadful toll witnessing such evil. He has done wonderful service, bringing this monster to justice.

[@helenwalton9551]

My younger son was two months premature and was in ic for two weeks. My husband and I obviously had no choice but to trust his life to the medical staff, who cared for him so well. It's absolutely chilling that the poor parents of those innocent babies were unable to do that. Letby should be shown no mercy- she is an evil entity.

[@franciscawaigwa2779]

Hospitals in general. It's high time the Doctors should tour the rooms and talk to patients in particular . Try and ask how is the going ,if enjoying the treat or like the hospital. The reason why I say this is coz nurses are cruel ,merciless. Generally this applies to all sections. Nurses, doctors treat your clients warmly.

[@kennedyadams7159]

We are judgemental group as a whole. It’s an ugly environment of entitlement of fraud

[@saiedahussain2873]

This brilliant doctor did not mince his words. Well done to all the doctors for exposing this monster and my heartfelt condolences to baby families.

[@anncleveland-dunn5944]

Not so. The Dr's are covering up the incompetence by themselves in this hospital. Entubing weak babies up to 8 times, which they were not qualified to do. Causing the damage, prior to them being handed to the nurses.

[@anncleveland-dunn5944]

Really brilliant Dr? Tell the truth, Dr. How many babies were incorrectly administered tunes by the interns, and how often? How many nurses to a baby? Wasn't it supposed to be 1 on 2. It was often 1 in 3 or more. Sewage and waste water leaking right above the cribs. Plumber had to be called out weekly. Is that good fir tiny babies in a weekend condition?

[@ruthbashford3176]

This "brilliant doctor" was admonished by a senior judge in a different case for writing a report that was worthless. All the claims against LL rely on the half-baked assertions of Dr Evans.

[@christinemoore8171]

Covering up such heinous murders is just as bad as the murder itself, it should have been thoroughly investigated from the beginning, any peculiar deaths in hospital should be investigated fully, disgusting abuse of power.

[@markfarnon6742]

Nothings as bad as actually committing the crime itself but they are complicit no doubt.

[@AJ-il1lm8ph7z]

This may be off-topic. What religion does she belong to? When it comes to someone from the middle East or south Asia almost always no matter what crime is committed their religion becomes a topic of discussion, but when it's a white man or woman then a smiley face photo is plastered all over media to humanise the criminal and never is the belief system of the individual spoken about. The hypocrisy is absolutely glaring!

[@markfarnon6742]

@@AJ-il1lm8ph7z after what she has been accused to have done, I doubt any religion would have her.

[@squidguard1]

@@AJ-il1lm8ph7zI have to agree, their religion always seems to be mentioned I find it funny when I see some Asian or Middle Eastern with a Arabic name who’s also drinking, selling drugs, involved in gangs, stealing etc but the media will straight away point out he’s Muslims as if that‘s the reason he committed the crime 😂

[@jennydevlin2845]

Not really religion is it?

[@ahill4642]

When a doctor like Dr. Evans retires it is a serious loss for all. Thankfully he was here to help pin this monster to the wall.

[@amber-lily5527]

Maybe it’s because I’m an American, but I am SO confused by this hospital system and the process of reporting…Are doctors not allowed to call the police themselves? If the managers ignored them, why didn’t one of the concerned physicians anonymously report her? I’m just blown away that it took 13 deaths, always with the same person present, for action to be taken. Also, why aren’t the managers facing charges? Just curious

[@M_SC]

It’s actually exactly the same in US hospitals

[@jillmcfc3934]

The doctors were told by senior managers they had to write a sorry letter to Letby for accusing her of such crimes and once that was done the Chief execs told the docs to draw a line under it or there would be further consequences.

[@michelleo8279]

The Dr's wanted Letby removed and investigated; only the hospital, or people who are medically trained, can carry out such an investigation. If they had involved the police earlier, than many of the deaths could be 'explained away', as having a medical cause/natural causes etc. Medical staff tend to act on actual 'evidence'; which the hospital management, if willing to cooperate sooner ,could have easily provided. The first complaint was raised by a non-white Dr; and I'm sorry, but IMO, it appears that the management 'closed ranks', in order to protect Letby. Why so many of you are more angry at the Dr's rather than Letby or the managers, is really strange IMO. Go to the police with what exactly? A hunch? And what do you think the police would have said? 'Have you informed management?'. Only the management had the power to remove Letby from the ward IMMEDIATELY, and they FAILED to do that!

[@sue5980]

Look at the case of Dr death in the US,

[@patriciaforrester6955]

I would have called the Police myself at the risk of loosing my job & or be vilified!

[@jenniferforde8203]

This is total betrayal who the hell can you trust..My heart goes out to those parents who have lost their babies to someone they thought they could trust..

[@anahash3221]

totally agree! whom can you trust?? extremely terrifying

[@shaunhunterit342]

@@anahash3221 the Lord Jesus Christ

[@anncleveland-dunn5944]

Yes, but blame the hospital for their negligence. Not the nurses left to deal with the dreadful circumstances, thrust upon them. Incompetent young Dr's handling the babies prior hand over to the nurses' care. Sewerage leaking directly above their cribs. Go figure!

[@mariap.9768]

Good interview, you allowed the Doctor to tell his story.

[@jonnyboy8781]

Credit to your doctor-guest. He’s an absolute gentleman & a credit to his profession & to our society.

[@bambina3148]

Mr Evans examined my son 30 years ago in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. I’ll always remember him telling me what an absolute “corker” my baby was. Total respect for this amazing doctor.

[@moremiaj4786]

She actually got the doctors to apologize to her as well. Wow. She is a psychopath. A horrible evil person.

[@Goozo612]

No, the people who made the apologies are the Imbeciles and enabled her to carry on because the cowards were scared of retarded degenerates called management 🤡🙄🥱

[@Tawadeb]

And she denies everything Monster

[@mikemcguinness1304]

Thats a woman for you ..narcissistic

[@frolyhorn1426]

We see this type of case a lot nowadays happen in different contexts. Those who speak and act truthfully apologizing to Narcissistic Violaters.. They seem to be enabled nowadays. Scary times indeed.

[@NoelleObcarskas]

Management made them apologize they're more evil than she

[@Ruby-K]

NHS workers need to scrutinised on a very regular basis.....too much trust given to people who can, and do incredible harm to people. No-one is above the law.

[@paulrichards6894]

my mother in law was taken into hospital with a urine infection....she could walk with help though she was suffering from dementia............one week in and they took us in a meeting telling us from monday we are withdrawing tablets and stopping feeding her.....they called it an end of life plan....my wife was in bits crying uncontrollably......i told the doctor you are more dr shipman than dr kildare.....i was asked to go out of the room.........we complained and they didn't stop her tablets but we had to go there every mealtime to feed her but we couldn't force her to eat....the manager told us if we did that she would call the police....after a month there she was bedridden but did survive 9 months when they did eventually stop her tablets

[@alisonjmiller5339]

What about managers who were made aware of doctors concerns and suspicions but brushed it off

[@Ruby-K]

@@paulrichards6894 You know exactly what I meant....Sorry to hear about your mother.....it seems to be NHS protocol now. After Dr. Shipman, I don't trust any of them, in any branches or areas of their 'trusts'.

[@paulrichards6894]

@@Ruby-K it was my mother in law but i lived with her since we married so lived with her for 36 years....she was a brilliant woman...she was in hospital for that 9 months and they made it has horrible as they could

[@Ruby-K]

@@paulrichards6894 I meant to type mother in law, I apologise, to you and your wife.

[@rgwilkes]

The problem in the NHS is that concerned and informed 'whistle blowers' are treated as pariahs by management!

[@whitneylilucious]

I agree . I once whistle-blowed and I was bullied significantly.

[@nicolataylor6011]

The managers need to be arrested for turning a blind eye to this murderer, and purposely turning a blind eye..they are just as evil for allowing this to happen

[@ruthbashford3176]

Dr Dewi Evans was admonished in a different case by a senior judge for writing a worthless report.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And was the Judge fully medically qualified, so as to be able to make such a call?

[@natureaqua2227]

Those hospital managers and ceo of the hospital who made the consultants write a apology letter to Lucy should also be brought to court and served justice as well.

[@zed3063]

The profession wasn’t slow to pick it up. Multiple consultants raised concerns and were shut down and made to apologise.

[@dhiaulhaq5958]

The powers of managers should be minimised in all departments not just the NHS. The professionals should have more power.

[@everythinggreentammy1538]

You are liar. I saw somebody like that before which looks like you.😢😮

[@Elfrida-ls2mo]

So Wrong they have to much already and are Power drunk 100s ot thousands die every year in the NHS due to Docs making the wrong diagnosis cheap wrong tests scans few ops all covered up because UK Docs and UK Hospitals are given Full Protection and Patients are given none No Docs are jailed or even sacked UK docs and nurses also sit watered down exams and tests The rest of the World refused to call UK docs and nurses real docs and nurses Untill UK lords and UK military chiefs forced the EU and World shows who has the power The NHS is a killing Machine and UK Hospitals are out of the Stone Age a total evil Disgrace

[@HdHd-hp6qz]

The problem is hospitals are run like a business that’s why management is required. Doctors can’t save lives and balance the books at the same time.

[@Tawadeb]

AGREED

[@englishlady8863]

I'm wondering what her family are feeling at this time. The absolute shame and disgrace must be overwhelming.

[@paulamalves]

I am a nurse. And I am beyong shock, I am disgusted. This is the most compassioned and caring profession. How can people trust us now? We have enought stress in normal circunstances, imagine from now on. The doubts the suspition, the anger. SHE IS NOT A NURSE SHE IS A PSYCHOPAT KILLER. Keep your eyes and heart open for the rest of us who really care. MANAGERS =TO JAIL THEY ARE SELF CENTRED ON THEI JOB. NEVER LISTEN CLEARLLY DONT CARE.

[@zacmutu6496]

A killer has no recognisable face.

[@emmsue1053]

@@Kangh88 What on earth has melonin to do with this? Racist comment.

[@chapman2001]

@@Kangh88black people commit more crime cry about it

[@markmc5112]

​@emmsue1053 how he's racist. She's a white women. That means she has a face.

[@onlineretro]

@@markmc5112because it has nothing to do with race you 🛎️ end

[@milliondollarlex924]

We should bring back the death penalty rather than pay £80,000 a year to house these monsters.

[@Ajhc73]

I feel sick i just read rampton secure hospital is like butlins they have more than most people working everyday for a living what a fitting punishment it for them

[@JamesBond-is5du]

Off with her head

[@nackjicholson1940]

That's never going to happen though is it in this day and age. Come on be more realistic.

[@JamesBond-is5du]

@@nackjicholson1940 once Britain becomes Muslim country they will get back the death penalty

[@TheGodfather2731]

Bring back the death penalty in these cases

[@jodirafferty3026]

I’m so angry when something horrendous happens like this that we find these hospitals first reaction is to shut people up, instead of trying to protect their most vulnerable they go into protecting the system instead. When will those in charge of their hospital face prison? We need to start making sure their early reaction of shutting concerns down be held to account. Those who act immediately should be praised, but those like in the case of Letbys Hospital should face charges too. Enough is Enough already!!!

[@mpinto79]

Dr. Ravi was the one who kept saying that she was trouble but none of the managers listened to him and he along with other Drs had to apologise to Lucy, thats very sad.

[@queenofhearts9186]

This is pure full EVIL, why???! They were just born!!! How can she kill little angels. She def deserves the harshest penalty ever.

[@freedomofspeech766]

The irony of it all is that they are calling HER and ANGEL (of death) more like a DEVIL of death

[@teresapeet7146]

@queenofhearts And what might that be ? Life imprisonment, death penalty or banishment to space😗, perhaps?

[@LeftUnderSounds]

Because she is a psychopath and doesn't behave rationally like a normal individual. She has no empathy.

[@zoomby4380]

HG Tudor has an indepeth series on Lucy.....he himself is a Narcissist. His research on her will bring in some light into her behaviours.

[@lindenbutters9396]

CCTV should be made mandatory in our hospitals. The cameras would not lie.

[@shamiran]

I couldn’t agree more! Especially when the child is in separate room to the Mother and father

[@rosannaburgess5782]

💯

[@monicarose2135]

It’s amazing that material things& possessions are monitored by video, but not these priceless irreplaceable treasures!

[@paulineyoung4260]

In Letbys mind SHE was in charge of the babies life or death. That was HER power. This shows up in HER decision to appear for sentencing. I agree with this doctor in all . The TRUST & their management box tickers should hang their head in shame. They must be held accountable. Too interested in protecting the trusts name. How on earth did the trust question the doctors when they reported Letby.

[@francishooper9548]

There is no direct evidence, there is no circumstantial evidence and there is no forensic evidence. What there is is accusations by a group of people who have been clearly demonstrated to have put babies at risk and lied in court. I would like to see a single piece of evidence that cannot be refuted but no one has come up with that.

[@barbaraanderson8391]

The woman on this show repeated twice how this nurse used sophisticated means in how she caused these babies deaths. I am an RN in the USA. All RN’s know how to inject meds into intravenous tubing and also how not to inject air! All RN’s know how to feed infants and limits for feeding amounts that are medically appropriate. These are nursing fundamentals, not sophisticated at all! As far as trauma to a baby’s throat, that is not indicative of any medical procedure done on preemies that an RN would or should perform without assistance from another RN or even a Neonatologist! In the NICU where I worked, the preemies are all in one big room, as well as all the RN’s and their leaders (Nurse Practitioners, Doctors Assistants, Neonatologists, and the ancillary staff such as specialists who come from respiratory therapy or the lab or radiology, etc..) It is a village concept in the unit! You care for the 1 or 2 babies you are assigned but you must observe all babies for their safety and wellbeing as their medical status is very fragile and can change in a heartbeat!! I don’t know how the NHS in England sets their units up or really much at all so I am not criticizing or even critiquing!! In our unit, however, such a string of cases could not have occurred due to the way our units are designed and staffed. I feel so very badly for the parents of those precious babies and for all the remaining staff who are truly dedicated and honorable people! Best wishes to all of you!! 🙏🏻🫶🏻😘

[@dolphinbear661]

Interesting. Thanks for your insight. This is monstrous on a level I can't even comprehend. Those poor families. Those poor little babies. Just nightmare fuel.

[@LaFolleItalienne]

Not sure, but if the UK has the same set up as Belgium, babies stay with their mother in her room and don't go to these "communal rooms" anymore. In Belgium, they don't take the baby away except for specific reasons but the mother or her husband can come with them if they want to. My baby, for example, never spent a moment out of our sight because we followed him for every little thing.

[@CW1971]

​@@LaFolleItaliennethe problem is, these were all preemie and micro preemie babies, they can be in the NICU for a very long time, months and months. They are often very sick with complex medical needs. Parents can't't stay with them 24/7, there isn't the facilities for them to sleep there and most families will have other children and jobs they need to return to at some point. I'm sure they spend as much time as possible with their baby but at times they will be left in the care of the ward staff.

[@nursenikki1981]

Genene Anne Jones in the USA was responsible for up to 60 infant and children deaths from 1970-1983. She was an LPN/LVN.

[@melkin3549]

​@@LaFolleItalienneit's the same here in the UK if your baby has no health problems. The infant stays with the mother at all times. There is no communal nursery. These babies Lucy Letby harmed all needed intensive care.

[@BL-no7jp]

Hospitals are now placing profits above lives and I’m glad I retired early from health care. My experience as a patient in a hospital was a nightmare. The level of incompetence by nursing staff was truly astonishing, which nearly cost my life. I would of been better off just by staying at home.

[@crapbag426]

Which is why every single covid death was in a hospital

[@janlittle2148]

Agreed

[@BL-no7jp]

@@crapbag426 this is incorrect. Many died at homes too, with Covid symptoms, but weren’t properly counted.

[@RC-jr4in]

The elderly especially are treated terribly.

[@BL-no7jp]

@@RC-jr4in It’s awful, and nobody deserves such neglect in their final years.

[@shamiran]

The fact my child was placed in a separate room to me and left in care of nurses, (even though the nurses that were looking after my child were amazing) now I feel blessed that i had such “humans” looking after my child, but it gives me chills that there’s such evil in hospitals especially children, hospitals where we leave the most precious thing in our lives in their hands could have so much evil in their hearts and minds, scares me to deeply! RIP little angels! Prayers goes out to the parents, I can’t even imagine what they have to live with! God have mercy on this world

[@karenpearson6991]

After reading Science on Trial and Dr Richard Gill's blog on the case I conclude that at best LL had an unfair trial, at worst she is innocent of all charges. She appears to be the victim of a judicial sysyem that is at best inadequate and at worst, corrupt.

[@belladonnasartofhealing5573]

My heart goes out too all the families ....I cant begin to imagine their pain 😢

[@paulrichards6894]

hard to get your head around it...those poor parents

[@TheGodfather2731]

Devestating and even more sad if they cant have more children

[@IchaelGill]

Don't then.

[@IchaelGill]

@@paulrichards6894 not hard.

[@paulrichards6894]

@@IchaelGill you think killing kids is normal ...WOW

[@taraqueen58]

What a sick twisted mind she must have to deliberately harm these small, defenceless babies. RIP to the babies and heartfelt condolences to the families who lost their precious loved ones.

[@AdelineCowgirl]

Nearly everyone is saying this, yet nobody has a problem paying people to do the same thing (much worse actually) to defenseless animals. Effing hypocrites.

[@chloemoon6255]

⁠​⁠@@AdelineCowgirlthis isn’t the time and place for this comment. (I’m vegan also)

[@ellen-annetapsell2173]

For fuck sake comparing babies to animals. You should be ashamed

[@BeHumanWithOutBorders]

Agreed with him one hundred percent. Managers must be arrested for failing the protection of babies.

[@anncleveland-dunn5944]

The entire hospital is in fact to blame. They have set this nurse up as a,scapegoat.

[@helenalovelock1030]

@@anncleveland-dunn5944 omg you are saying she has been set up??

[@TALLDRINKUVWATER]

My first & only child, daughter was born at 36 weeks who passed away from SIDS at 3 1/2 months old. 40 yrs ago My next child was born at 22 weeks., 32 years ago she never had a chance. People don't understand unless you have suffered the same loss . No one could possibly ever understand unless you live with those deaths. . May .the sweet angel babies fly above and protect their loved ones. They are there on the other side they are waiting . They are always there for you don't ever forget

[@2GooDProductions]

The profession was slow to pick it up because there is a culture of cover up and hide mistakes, rather than admit errors.

[@sh.4409]

They needed their loosh .

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

You’ve never worked in a hospital have you?

[@2GooDProductions]

@@jacobjorgenson9285 I spent a week in hospital in March after a heart attack, I saw meat being given to vegetarians, I saw the forging of cleaning documentation, stating it had been done when it hadn't, I saw an old man being told one day he could go home, only to be kept there for at least 4 days later. I saw nurses sit on their fat arses all day without barely moving.

[@paulos1878]

I think this is in a lot of industrys not just hospital staff.

[@RC-jr4in]

Yep same with a lot of large organisations who only care about reputation and saving money so they let incompetence and even terrible behavior carry on.

[@stephenmackenzie9016]

No words. Poor babies😢

[@EIH4009]

The consultants at the highest level didn’t call the police when they expected a staff member was murdering patients. Now this is mind blowing.

[@ITS1985]

Yeah so how can she argue she’s been made a ‘scapegoat’ no one even wanted to suspect her took them a very long time

[@angela2726]

I wonder why the staff who suspected letby didn't call the police themselves ?

[@ITS1985]

@@angela2726 because their jobs were threatened

[@angela2726]

@@ITS1985 well they are cowards. They would rather let babies be murdered than loose their jobs !!! If I were the parents I would take them to court for not assisting a person in danger. It's not sufficient to say I told the management. 6 months later with 7 babies murdered and I don't know how many attemted murders they put her in an administratif job. Thé doctors could have written anonymously to the police to Ask them to intervine

[@kayb2445]

Disgusting, the management need to be held accountable too , I agree with him re the cover up

[@maryprice5417]

Having worked for 20 years in the NHS and seeing layers upon layers of management introduced, none of whom had any experience of working with patients, it became clear it wasnt working. High time management reverted to being controlled by senior medics and reinstate matrons.

[@ellamae6360]

It’s so hard to hear how these babies died. I can’t imagine the pain the parents feel . I feel sorry for them. This will be a lifetime pain. Lord have mercy.

[@wiezyczkowata]

why did it took 11 months to even call police???????

[@eagr2023]

My daughter was born 35 yesrs ago at 22 weeks. She was saved at UVA Medical and is now the most amazing person I know. This story is frightening!!!

[@Olivia-lu3gg]

Management must be held to account for their complete incompetence and negligence. As always it is the arrogance if these sorts of people that degrade a society.

[@mikesmith8313]

If you want to hold someone accountable, go for all the medics, the next big fish, they replace them with inferior medics and the Trust squanders their reputation.

[@cameroncameron2826]

The stem cell trade

[@M_SC]

They literally accused the doctors suspicious of letby of being responsible, they told one of them “wouldn’t that be convenient for you”

[@kateshand2920]

The negligent managers should be called to account for this. There are baby deaths on their hands. Shocking!

[@scalarnai]

A clear case of corporate manslaughter. The hospital managers should be jailed together with Letby. Birds of a feather, evil incarnate.

[@amandamcauley]

That the high number of deaths stopped after she was removed speaks volumes to me.

[@Meowser186]

NHS management needs to be on trial next.

[@carolcaprani2138]

Poor little babies. I don't know who could do this. Their parents must be destroyed by this. It's beyond belief.

[@crissieroserose]

deeply disturbing ,, how do you get over this ? the anger and pain must stay with the mothers forever ,

[@Brian-om2hh]

The police do. Lucy Letby...

[@Enimo17]

Management should go to jail too!

[@Otherthan338]

It’s hard to believe that your nursing staff might be hurting newborns but that should not stop you from investigating. The head of staff let their emotions get to them instead of following procedures from the get go. That or they just didn’t want to deal with a lawsuit and hoped that it stopped

[@maryeallen672]

This is unbelievable i am shocked.we all know that NHS is so unorganised and terrible but how is possible that so many doctors complained about her there were thousend of proofs and noone paid attention to this and called police! honestly not sure what to say … poor people had to go through this 😢

[@jomassey4207]

Hospital managers do this all over the world. I was dismissed when I was sexually assaulted by an orderly. It's about time the Hospitals took responsibility for assaults on vulnerable patients. It's always brushed under the blanket. This is one of the worst cases I've ever seen of managers ignoring Drs gut feelings and pretending everything is OK. Shame on the managers!!!! Now they will have to write up new rules or legislation around investigating neonatal deaths and more time writing due to red tape, rather than looking after patients.

[@peterstephens733]

Very true Jo - they now have much more power than medical personnel

[@dawsie]

Years ago I was in hospital for surgery, I was placed on a morphine drip which I asked to have removed because it was making me sick, they all ignored me as well as the Dr, I remember waking up from a disturbed sleep because I felt someone fiddling with the drip, but I was suddenly very tired, I woke up a few minutes later only knew this because I had looked at the clock over the door both times, and I remembered someone had been at the drip I suddenly noticed an air bubble 10 inch’s long, to say I was freaking out was an understatement I rang for the nurse but I shut off the drip there was no way in hell I was letting it go into my vain, the nurse finally came 5 minutes later saw the drip turned off and went to turn it back on, never batted an eye at the huge air pocket, I put my hand over hers and told her to get a needle and syringe and remove the air pocket, she looked my in the eye and told me it would not harm me, I gave a choice either she removers the air pocket or I pull out the drip and she can explain to the Sister and the Dr. She walked off and got what I asked for and she removed it. Drips do not develop air pockets like that ever in all the years I have been on them ever, having her tell me it’s safe was bull, my Mom was a nurse for 20 years when it older her what happened she said I did the right thing, when the Dr came around in the morning I gave him the same choice either remove the drip or I would. He had it removed with 10 minutes of me demanding, 3 hours later my head was finally cleared and I stopped throwing up every few hours. I had been right the morphine had been making me sick, when I checked my charts they had me on 10mg an hour no wonder I was bloody sick all the time as for that nurse I reported her before leaving because I just did not trust her at all, I still have no idea who it was at my beside fiddling with the drip in the first place. Thankfully after being off the drip for 24 hours I was finally allowed home, I was only meant to be there over night after the surgery it took 7 days before I could go home. When I went to his office for my post-op checkup and to have the rest of the stitches removed I asked him why I had been on such a high dose, he checked his notes and that nurse I did not trust had told him I was complaining of being in massive pain. I told him I had no pain at all and that the morphine had kept my mind so muddled I could not think straight or string two words together. I told him what happened with the air pocket in the drip tube and how big it was, he wanted to know how I knew how long, I told him I place my little finger at one end and my thumb to the other end and it was longer than my hand span which is 7 inches wide. He took a lot of notes if he did anything I don’t know, but she was not there when I visited Gran a few days later she had her leg removed at the same time I had my surgery. I was just glad that nurse was no where near Gran. To this day I still hate going on drips and I watch them all the time. That was 30 years ago when we still had a matron and sister plus nurses on the wards and before the wards became mixed sex wards. I have no idea what is going on but hospitals are just not run the way they use to be. Too many oops sorry happen.

[@onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044]

@@dawsieThere’s Satanist, mafia, gangsters in the medical field especially in the state of Arizona

[@rajsamb]

Believe in women is the reason why this happened. Glad no one listened to ya.

[@angelinaperfumes]

They need to be charged for negligence.

[@lordpembridge303]

This woman purposely took the lives of tiny little infants for her own sadistic and depraved pleasure. She snuffed those poor little babies out like they were nothing all because she got some kind of sick kick out of it. Thank god she's being locked up for life so she can never harm another baby ever again.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

She is obviously sick

[@alisonjmiller5339]

Life?? The 14 yr sentence that is call a life sentence? Or her natural life? Because usually almost no one gets term of their natural lives, Harold Shipman was one case but it's rare that happens.

[@dorothycullen7689]

She is sick

[@alisonjmiller5339]

@@lilnikki9146 she hasn't been sentenced yet, just found guilty, but previous poster seemed to imply that she had been sentenced to life.

[@eccehomer8182]

@@alisonjmiller5339 Beverley Allitt has now served all of her minimum sentence of 30 years and she's still inside. A life sentence is not an arbitrary 14 years.

[@etet4536]

What kind of person can look at an innocent, helpless baby and purposely hurt them and kill them? Absolute evil.

[@jjreddick377]

The managers even made the doctors write an apology letter to her for raising concerns years ago. This is what happens when nurses are given too much power in healthcare.

[@catarinagracio1997]

Penso que o problema não é o poder que os enfermeiros têm ...o problema é que pode existir um psicopata em todo o lado até nas profissões em que jamais nos passaria pela cabeça

[@cbtube1677]

The doctors need to take the nhs to court for distress. 🤢

[@cricketlovely8541]

She's a serial killer. Death penalty 🤬

[@Ajhc73]

Calculation she showed is off the scale it’s heartbreaking 🥲

[@ggunga7764]

Death penalty

[@JamesBond-is5du]

I agree 👍💯

[@nackjicholson1940]

Why do people keep commenting about the death penalty as though it's somehow a potential option. This is the UK mate not gonna happen.

[@JamesBond-is5du]

@@nackjicholson1940 on special cases with public vote it should be allowed

[@tesssouter4521]

If ever we need proof that the managers should not be in charge of doctors and nurses . They had every opportunity to listen to the consultants who raised concern about Letby but were told nothing to be concerned about . Even making a consultant to apologise to her after he reported his concerns . They need to be held accountable as they are responsible for allowing further deaths because of their ineptitude.

[@appleish5043]

As a mother, it’s so hard to hear about injuries/causes of death of these babies. I agree that these managers need to be punished just so that the future managers will take these more seriously

[@ant183]

Hail the great NHS management. Probably too busy asking men were they pregnant.

[@fionaforward3358]

How true!

[@peterstephens733]

might be nice if more fell off their snowboards while they are saying WE will have a challenging winter this year. @@fionaforward3358

[@Gattsu1986]

​@@fionaforward3358exactly that!

[@ballsey4521]

Exactly!

[@EffSharp]

Wow you really had to stretch to find a way to mock transgender people in a story about babies being murdered. Let that bigotry go. You’ll be a much better person.

[@minixtvbox]

CEO, medical director and staff director of that trust should be ...., not gold plated pensions tories gave them

[@jillrossiter8757]

Dr you are so right about managers who are not professionally trained.They are arrogant and ignorant of the service that is being provided.

[@nickrowland1904]

My heart goes out to those poor parents. I cannot begin to imagine the hell they must be going through. Lucy should never be let out. The managers are as guilty as Lucy Letby. They should be put on trial too. Matrons should be returned to the wards. Kick all the managers out!

[@99fruitbat94]

I've spent 45 years working in health care . It all changed in the early eighties when we were tripping up over managers. Paper shuffling fools

[@yggdrasil9039]

Kudos to the interviewer for keeping it together during this interview

[@cocoaorange1]

I agree, hearing him describe their deaths, would have brought me to tears.

[@crissieroserose]

This is horrific ,, and deeply disturbing

[@VK.x]

I think the people whom ignored doctors whom kept raising their concerns & were basically fobbed off. They should also be prosecuted!

[@GillyMaid100]

NHS Managers KNEW there was no hard evidence i.e. CCTV, of Letby's crimes which made it easy for them to turn a blind eye. The REAL problem here, is the jealousy the NHS Managers have of the Consultants. I have seen it first hand when I was an NHS bank secretary and worked for consultants in various departments. The Managers are super jealous of the talent and skills of the Consultants and treat them like something off the bottom of their shoe and huge power trips telling the clinical staff what to do. Zero respect. Those Managers especially the one who told the consultants to apologise should go to prison for aiding and abetting a murderer and obstruction of a police investigation, which is evident in the poor submission of notes, outlined in this interview. I think she should go to a psychiatric prison until she takes her last breath

[@med77m26]

Wow ! Management and other co workers didn’t pinpoint that when she was on duty that they had majority of these babies died! That shocks me !

[@angkeats7111]

They did but senior management didn't take them seriously

[@yahyayaqoob8954]

They trusted a nurse over doctors it’s insane Who is in a higher position a doctor or a nurse