“NHS Management CANNOT Be Trusted” How Lucy Letby Became Britain’s Worst Child Serial Killer

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Lucy Letby was treated a as victim and people who raised concerns had to apologise to the nurse who ended up being convicted of murdering seven babies at the Countess Of Chester hospital.
In this week’s Crime Suspect Peter Bleksley is joined by Dewi Evans, a retired consultant paediatrician who helped to convict Letby with his medical evidence, clinical psychiatrist Dr Raj Persaud, former Detective Inspector Neil Jones who helped to bring previous nurse killer Beverly Alitt to justice and TalkTV correspondent who covered the case in detail Holly Hudson.
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@livinginharmoney3843
@livinginharmoney3843 Жыл бұрын
The management of the hospital definitely cannot be trusted and they need to be brought to trial.
@bq1424
@bq1424 Жыл бұрын
How many hospital “Managers” are not Narcissists or haven’t got Highly Problematic Narcissm traits? Answer: Not many.
@Psmith-ek5hq
@Psmith-ek5hq Жыл бұрын
After what has happened, fancy going into that place to give birth?
@LadyDiamondIsHereNow
@LadyDiamondIsHereNow Жыл бұрын
@@JeVoudrais12 they may have a cluster or one in there, though, diagnosed or not. Who hasn't met someone with a haughty, arrogant attitude that persists, a lack of empathy, etc?
@LadyDiamondIsHereNow
@LadyDiamondIsHereNow Жыл бұрын
We've all worked with difficult people and managers that were obstructive or difficult or lazy in some way, etc
@professorcalvert8126
@professorcalvert8126 Жыл бұрын
​@@JeVoudrais12It's also one of the hardest personality disorders to detect as they are so sure of themselves and their actions.
@sarahjtripodi1514
@sarahjtripodi1514 Жыл бұрын
ANY HR person who protected this woman should be fired immediately!
@chrisgermann6658
@chrisgermann6658 Жыл бұрын
Jailed you mean!.
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 Жыл бұрын
And jailed 😮
@ruthbashford3176
@ruthbashford3176 3 ай бұрын
Its the consultants who wrongly accused Lucy Letby of murdering babies who should be fired and prosecuted. The discredited Dewi Evans should also be prosecuted
@bluebellbeatnik4945
@bluebellbeatnik4945 Ай бұрын
or not. they might know something we don't.
@colinwaldron7399
@colinwaldron7399 Жыл бұрын
NHS hospital 'managers' MUST be brought to book over this. They refused to listen to genuine concerns that were raised by competent and caring staff about 'irregular and unexpected' deaths. When will we see them in court? Just another fine example of senior management bullshit that resulted in the avoidable deaths of defenceless babies. Overpaid senior managers who don't want any bad publicity, and who only care about their coveted salary and pensions.
@HGG381
@HGG381 Жыл бұрын
They should be also in jail
@user-xi1br6ur1q
@user-xi1br6ur1q Жыл бұрын
Yep, too many of them with their own vested interests. This is endemic across all organisations now, we seem unable to run any large public business nowadays without consultants and ‘managers’ paid vast salaries, people who know nothing about the organisations they run, all serving their shareholders and getting a fat pay out when they move on or retire. Bring public services back into the public domain, we had a great transport system once, not now, but then People need to get out of their cars and I doubt that will ever happen unless the high cost of petrol or other charges freeze all but the rich out of owning and using one. The NHS needs matrons back running wards too, and a shedload more money, we unfortunately have a shedload more people to service now than we did even 30 years ago, many of whom don’t pay any taxes to support it, and people living longer.
@irishfairytarot5674
@irishfairytarot5674 Жыл бұрын
This is rife amongst all trusts - we need change for accountability- look into social services guys
@irishfairytarot5674
@irishfairytarot5674 Жыл бұрын
​@@user-xi1br6ur1qyou said it!!! 👏
@janmorgan7435
@janmorgan7435 Жыл бұрын
The thing is Letby had everyone fooled as she seemed so normal and good on the outside and not excusing anyone but management will need live with thier mistakes, it's absolutely horrendous what she did and still feels unbelievable that a nurse could ever do such a thing. We have three nurses in my close family and sister a nurse saying she should have the death penalty. Letby will have plenty time to think about her guilt. It's the families and her own parents l feel for it will be impossible to believe thier only one a murderer
@louiseosaur
@louiseosaur Жыл бұрын
It's sickening knowing NHS management are partly responsible for some of the baby deaths. I do hope they are held accountable but I won't hold my breath 🙁
@HumanimalChannel
@HumanimalChannel Жыл бұрын
The NHS is an Intl joke. And consider... ANYthing but to f8nd two NHS doctors guilty of drugging thwir three young children when theyre os on holidays
@lindacraig7486
@lindacraig7486 Жыл бұрын
With you all the way
@normankennith7919
@normankennith7919 Жыл бұрын
LUCY WAS THE SCAPEGOAT IN A COVER UP BY MANAGEMENT & THE DOCTORS!!
@dar540
@dar540 Жыл бұрын
​@@solomansoundswhat? 😂
@Threadbow
@Threadbow 11 ай бұрын
​@@solomansounds evidence?
@ReptilesGeniales
@ReptilesGeniales Жыл бұрын
My daughter was hospitalized with severe double sided pneumonia and we had a very close eye on her, one of us was by her side at every single minute. I once stopped a nurse from putting air bubbles into her iv line. The nurse said that only a little bit wouldn’t be harmful but I made her clear the whole thing before putting any medication into it. I didn’t want to risk it at all, she was very young. Maybe I was too careful but that’s just me. (In Sweden 🇸🇪) she wasn’t a premature baby or anything.
@angelarich8455
@angelarich8455 Жыл бұрын
A very little ? She knew it was dangerous especially on a tiny baby
@iguiste23
@iguiste23 Жыл бұрын
As little as 0.5ml of air can cause a cardiac arrest in a fully grown adult. There is no safe amount. I would say you and your baby were very lucky thank the lord. x
@mariemarie2888
@mariemarie2888 Жыл бұрын
That was really great you stood your ground. The staff are doing a job but it’s our babies after all. Unfortunately I was the type of new mum who accepted the word of any medical staff. Good for you ❤
@squirrel8161
@squirrel8161 Жыл бұрын
Was she putting air into the baby, did you see that or just worry about it? If you saw it your MUST report it Keep our babies safe 🙏
@manichairdo9265
@manichairdo9265 Жыл бұрын
Well done. 🥳
@lemongrabloids3103
@lemongrabloids3103 Жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to the parents of the poor babies she killed/maimed 😢
@mariemarie2888
@mariemarie2888 Жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same. I was upset earlier as there seems to be some who don’t think she’s guilty and I couldn’t help but think it’s another insult to every one of those parents who are left to pick up the pieces. Disrespectful but that’s just my own opinion
@Scorpio72350
@Scorpio72350 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s disrespectful to think she didn’t do it. That’s the opinion they have formed based on their own evaluation and they are entitled to their own personal opinion. I believe she murdered babies based on all the evidence provided. But i don’t believe people intend ro insult the parents, and they are entitled yo an opinion especially based on the evidence.
@leeknoz935
@leeknoz935 2 ай бұрын
​@@mariemarie2888yeah noone cares about your opinion, but the facts would seem, she was set up or just falsely accused to cover a faulty system.
@mariemarie2888
@mariemarie2888 2 ай бұрын
@@leeknoz935 aw really? I am so hurt no one cares , I will not sleep now
@leeknoz935
@leeknoz935 2 ай бұрын
@@mariemarie2888 hey I'm just pointing out they have you and the jury talking about feelings and opinions. No facts. Well they have some...like she was a nurse and she worked at the hospital. When you have been attacked by the so called justice system and locked up and falsely accused of doing something you didn't. Then you can give your facts..and not your opinions and feelings. Then people might care. But I see..you don't care do you...just here to voice your opinions
@jowallace4986
@jowallace4986 Жыл бұрын
This psychiatrist needs to read up on his facts as both Letby & Allitt were in there early to mid-20s, not 30s, so considered to be in their fertile prime, not 'running out of time' at all.
@flowerjpotter1629
@flowerjpotter1629 Жыл бұрын
It's the old cliché isn't it. But there could have been other reasons for which babies she selected to suffer. It's entirely possible she targeted some of the babies because the parents could have reminded her of people from school or university who she didn't like. Or if she spotted another nurse receiving a compliment from a family member, this could have made her want to harm their baby and them. All that can be accurately said is her crimes gave her an emotional payoff, we don't know if it was: Excitement Attention Satisfaction Revenge Status enhancement Sympathy Opportunity to show off her skills Making herself both relevant and unforgettable Or something else. But she got something out of it for sure and not just the harm to the babies, also dealing with the parents at their most vulnerable, in the raw shock of the moment. She wanted to be right in the centre of all that suffering so they couldn't forget her or possibly o😊ver look her.
@flowerjpotter1629
@flowerjpotter1629 Жыл бұрын
*Please ignore the accidental graphic I can't remove it.
@jowallace4986
@jowallace4986 Жыл бұрын
@flowerjpotter1629 absolutely agree with everything you've said & other experts have said we may never know her motive ... that can only come from her. But as she's been so highly manipulative her entire life, her words could mean nothing!
@HumanimalChannel
@HumanimalChannel Жыл бұрын
Beverley Allitt, whilst displaying a lot of the same ACTIONS...ways of killing etc, i think is a different animal to Letby. Allitt being moreso in the realm of what used to be named Munchasen by Proxy, and also Minchassens, she used to harm herself for attention. Lucy letby is an outright SADIST.
@HumanimalChannel
@HumanimalChannel Жыл бұрын
I cant recall which expert said this, but i recall someone saying that until 12 or 13 allut was well adjusted and that they think that at that time thwy were subject to dreadful significant abuse. After that, Beverley changed and developed her MO of...not being able to ask fpr protection, comfort and care for the REAL hurt and she developed the Fictitious Syndrome tp fulfill her needs. I wonder if lucy letby had a similar experience whereby, she suffered thru a viplent or degrading experience perhaps sexual abuse, and th8s has driven her psychology to develop beyond basic psychopathy into something simmering and unstoppably into something wholly dark
@JH-hd6zd
@JH-hd6zd Жыл бұрын
As a student 23 years ago. A nurse tried to get me to wrap an IV line around my hand and squeeze. This clears the air bubbles and is extremely dangerous. I said no. She tried to fail my nursing course. Fast forward 15 years, I worked in A&E and I refused to fudge waiting times to 3 hours 58 minutes when someone had been there for 8 hours plus. They brought in the hospital management team and I was fired. That's how much honesty means in the NHS. I left and never went back. I would never return to the NHS I'd rather spread manure on fields.
@kevbillows7113
@kevbillows7113 Жыл бұрын
The nhs is a corrupt bullying hell hole no wonder why no one wants to work in it
@freshtoast3879
@freshtoast3879 11 ай бұрын
@@kevbillows7113 Yes it is. Much like the police force.
@phillipaclemons7261
@phillipaclemons7261 Жыл бұрын
You don’t need to be “qualified” to conclude a person is sadistic psychopath, when that person inflicts intense pain on tiny babies, and gets a thrill from the grief reaction of the parents. This pain was so intense it caused the babies to scream (not cry) in a manner not usual for these babies. Repeatedly searching for the parents on line and rereading case notes, enabled the sadistic psychopath to relive the intense thrill
@mishi144
@mishi144 Жыл бұрын
I think she would have passed standard psych tests tbh. She was good at hiding and knew what to say to make people think she cared.
@lisabelle7553
@lisabelle7553 2 ай бұрын
Some of these doctors are so arrogant that they think only they are qualified to see what is plain to see.
@beverleightodd5710
@beverleightodd5710 Жыл бұрын
It's been said before and it will be said again Get rid of management bring back Matrons who know there wards and can intercept possible problems. Also stop out contracting things like cleaning services, bring it all under the hospital jurisdiction.
@47nrubreddew
@47nrubreddew Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@pamclarke6785
@pamclarke6785 Жыл бұрын
Agree
@alisonhall4465
@alisonhall4465 Жыл бұрын
Many of the senior management were trained nurses before being managers. Matrons can be every bit as bad .
@advent3774
@advent3774 Жыл бұрын
That’s very true , my father in law ( now deceased 20 years ) was in hospital and he had a go at some nurses for ignoring a patient that was in distress, trouble breathing etc really panicking! they were just stood around talking even though he kept pressing the emergency button for assistance he had to shout at them to get them to move themselves! They were very sarcastic and off with him after that , and said don’t expect us to rush after you should you need it ! How callous are some people! I guess they are in all walks of life.@@alisonhall4465
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 11 ай бұрын
What's a "there" ward?
@karenyoung8341
@karenyoung8341 Жыл бұрын
She was complained about in 2015. Let that sink in. If the hospital had listened to the complainant, so many babies would be alive today. The hospital and staff who ignored it, should face criminal charges. The theory that the ‘clock was ticking’ is ludicrous. She worked in a neonatal department. Babies are under 28 days old, and require the most care because there is a bigger risk of them dying. That is the reason. Less chance of it being seen as out of the ordinary She did it because she could. The public are paying for these murderers. It’s about time nurses had their childhood medical records given to hospitals if they inject themselves for gods sake. They should also be given psych tests as a prerequisite Another great show 👏
@thehoneyeffect
@thehoneyeffect Жыл бұрын
I agree, plus…. Unpopular opinion: If she was a Black or Asian woman she would’ve been caught immediately
@y2ksurvivor
@y2ksurvivor Жыл бұрын
​@@thehoneyeffectlol nice fantasy
@marinka424
@marinka424 Жыл бұрын
Don’t you think those doctors are also to blame for the deaths. They were absolutely convinced she was murdering babies and didn’t go to the police because they might not be believed and might lose their jobs. Whatever made the doctors certain should also have made the police certain. Otherwise they couldn’t be certain.. As the management said, the doctors only had a gut feeling. Management possibly receive many malicious or mistaken complaints about innocent people. I’m sure the inquiry will make doctors, a consultant, management all look guilty of man slaughter, in addition to Letbys guilt.
@natillefoxy9881
@natillefoxy9881 Жыл бұрын
My heart breaks for the parents. It's unfortunate she wasn't black or Asian, it wouldn't have gotten to two babies extremely sad. 😢
@skyblue-7
@skyblue-7 Жыл бұрын
​@@thehoneyeffectSincerely hope that wouldnt be the case (for the reason of skin) but could ofc. Maybe Im too optmiistic. I want any murderer identified quickly for appropriate reasons ofc. ❤
@luizpalombini3425
@luizpalombini3425 Жыл бұрын
Facing a law suit over an alledged female harrassment clearly has more weight than facing the consequences for the death of babies.
@DameEdna42
@DameEdna42 Жыл бұрын
Jesus said to his Dad ''forgive them, they do not know what they do'' and his Dad forgave them.
@niewieder99
@niewieder99 Жыл бұрын
I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here. Female harassment is more rampant than female nurses killing babies. So yes, I can see why without hard evidence, whistleblowers were shown no importance. I’m not saying that they ended up taking too long to take action which could have prevented lives, but I’m sick of butt hurt men making this some anti-feminist case study of how women get it too easy in the workplace. Wake up, tiny man.
@foysollee750
@foysollee750 Жыл бұрын
@@DameEdna42 But not the baby 🤔
@justmichael6628
@justmichael6628 11 ай бұрын
Better to have a millstone hung about one's neck and cast into the sea , than to bring harm to any of these little ones .
@wanderingfido
@wanderingfido Жыл бұрын
1) CCTV 2) Two turned keys 20 ft apart 3) No one allowed in nursery ward alone
@fliss362
@fliss362 Жыл бұрын
Personality profiles, multiple reference checking etc
@wanderingfido
@wanderingfido Жыл бұрын
@@fliss362 Needs more
@shakeynige
@shakeynige Жыл бұрын
Dont blame an unconscious resentment, she knew exactly what she was doing and she did it fully consciously
@LoreeG82
@LoreeG82 Жыл бұрын
Well said, she truly did
@Paul-dv4dr
@Paul-dv4dr Жыл бұрын
because she was bored? That's what I've heard.
@janicebillington1640
@janicebillington1640 Жыл бұрын
​@@Paul-dv4dr because she craved attention and adulation.
@Paul-dv4dr
@Paul-dv4dr Жыл бұрын
@@janicebillington1640 yes u r spot on bored doesn't sound right
@Paul-dv4dr
@Paul-dv4dr Жыл бұрын
@@janicebillington1640 and friendship?
@lynncuthbert2307
@lynncuthbert2307 Жыл бұрын
Our institutions are shameful. Trust is gone. These execs can jump ship but they can't hide.
@kellyloulou81
@kellyloulou81 Жыл бұрын
they all need to be charged after they where made aware of the first few deaths they allowed this to continue it makes me sick that they've been allowed to get away with this
@dianamincher6479
@dianamincher6479 11 ай бұрын
Appalling management from management perpetually looking for cover!
@lyndacooper9683
@lyndacooper9683 Жыл бұрын
Corporate manslaughter charges might make managers fully aware if their responsibility. 🤔
@lindacraig7486
@lindacraig7486 Жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@iveneverseenahealthyvegan.9885
@iveneverseenahealthyvegan.9885 Жыл бұрын
The NHS is harbouring people in managerial positions paid huge amount of money that have no idea how to manage. These managers protect their jobs and the NHS, then dismiss anyone who tries to unsettle their comfortable life.
@3clarabelle
@3clarabelle Жыл бұрын
Spot on, sadly 😡
@peterllwlln
@peterllwlln Жыл бұрын
I agree with the tories we need to privatise the NHS
@dianamincher6479
@dianamincher6479 11 ай бұрын
Piranhas?
@yvonneread5006
@yvonneread5006 10 ай бұрын
Disgusting that she's shown happy when those poor babies are now dead at her supposed caring glad there's someone higher that seen it all she won't get away with it nothing miisse's his gaze justice for wrong doing will be brought! A person will reap what they have sown...." life for life" when unrepentant! deserve such those poor babies had their life taken away! Psalm94 verse 9 how awful for the parents of those poor babies! It won't go unpunished!
@Nat-lg2ks
@Nat-lg2ks Жыл бұрын
Beverly Ellott sought to be the saviour and her desire wasn’t specifically to kill. Lucy’s behaviour suggests she wanted parents to lose their babies as she enjoyed the aftermath as much as the cold blue.
@reinemarais4392
@reinemarais4392 Жыл бұрын
I'm terrified witless. I'm old. Eventually, I'm going to have to go into a care home. Is there a sweet kind nurse on duty who is going to kill me?
@user-fq8rs7rz3i
@user-fq8rs7rz3i Жыл бұрын
Not if you kill her first. What have you got to lose? They’re not going to put you in jail, are they? Lol 😂
@Yggdrasil1844
@Yggdrasil1844 Жыл бұрын
My grandma is in a bupa care home, I visit her weekly, and she is always so happy, those carers are the sweetest, Grandma will often call and say "oh don't cone today love its "x" birthday and I'll be in the hall" always doing things and you can tell the staff genuinely care. I was so worried before she went in.. but now I am more reassured than ever. Depending on the carehome, they can be great. (Avoid any run by Indians, residents are nothing more than ££ - I know that's mad racist but it's a true observation, my husband is a surveyor and has been asked some shocking things by these people, many times) NHS hospitals I have a whole different experience with.. my son has Cystic Fibrosis, so we spend A LOT of time at Watford Hospital.. the amount of corruption I have witnessed in 3 years alone is shocking. They(managers) literally steal donations and leave the wards to rot. Are you certain you will need a carehome? ❤
@sidcymraeg
@sidcymraeg Жыл бұрын
These indiviuals are so rare you are more likley to be struck by lightning . Keep faith with the good people .
@manuelajager8517
@manuelajager8517 Жыл бұрын
Probably.
@Mel87y
@Mel87y Жыл бұрын
No there is ones like me who care❤
@FN-ef4wb
@FN-ef4wb Жыл бұрын
NHS management were equally responsible in the deaths of the babies due to criminal negligence and ignoring of all the direct complaints they received. Not just a disgrace, but highly paid irresponsible, incompetent management! Who indeed had this irrational love for Lucy Letby and wished to protect her at the cost of the lives of so many babies? Several need to pay legally (prison?) for this from the management. Definitely top of the list is the one who asked that the complainants apologise to the criminal, without even thorough investigation and protection monitoring systems set up for the babies?!
@lemdixon01
@lemdixon01 Жыл бұрын
Maybe Letby was trying to stop them
@taniaearle4457
@taniaearle4457 Жыл бұрын
How were they so ignorant of what she used to kill them? Firstly the Pathology teats show abnormal insulin & secondly she would use what's available ie) air/milk/insulin to overdose them.
@carollovell1053
@carollovell1053 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!!!!!!
@lindacraig7486
@lindacraig7486 Жыл бұрын
Breathtakingly defies belief!!
@chickedee1085
@chickedee1085 Жыл бұрын
6 years to stop a killer, yet management take action against employees who under perform with months in most companies.
@lena-Ramone
@lena-Ramone Жыл бұрын
Suspicious eyh how evil protects evil
@freeman8128
@freeman8128 Жыл бұрын
Britain's worst child serial killer was Amelia Dyer (hanged 1896). She too was a hospital trained Nurse who took up the practise known as 'baby farming'. During the course of her career she murdered several hundred babies. Lucy Letby murdered 7.
@Primrose37823
@Primrose37823 Жыл бұрын
They said in modern times
@freeman8128
@freeman8128 Жыл бұрын
@@Primrose37823 Not in the title, nor until 3:13
@freeman8128
@freeman8128 Жыл бұрын
@CODA834 Not all of them.
@noelwallace5257
@noelwallace5257 Жыл бұрын
@@Primrose37823define modern…130 years give or take is modern considering England as a modern nation is a thousand years old…🤔
@shalimar1792
@shalimar1792 Жыл бұрын
They are 8nvestigating for more babies that could have been killed by LUCYFER .a criminal remains a criminal whether it is one or 400 lives that they😢😮 take...
@deltafay1981
@deltafay1981 Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly not interested in her motives....sick to death of trying to work out the thinking of sadistic individuals in general ... thinking of the agony those poor babies experienced enrages me. Stick Letby and her like in a very deep hole...walk away and forget.
@deltafay1981
@deltafay1981 Жыл бұрын
@@eskimo3622 My dear...i'm in my 60s and i remember the Allitt case well enough.... there was a lengthy inquiry back then...with plenty of 'lessons to be learned' outlined ... one of which was improved communication within the NHS. Money however has again won...the Hospital heads would rather prevent lawsuits than listen to the truth. In my view they're as psychopathic as Letby. What's new?... the 'uncomfortable understanding' and 'patterns of behaviour' you refer to ....are irrelevant...the Dr's called it quite early... suspicious medical anomalies in the babies deaths...together with a quick check of the staff rota...end of. This case is obviously novel to you..... but not to me. Throw as many diagnoses at her as you like , munchausens, psychotic blah blah blah...a psychopath is a psychopath at the end of the day...they never change...they're never understood...B O R I N G.
@juliad368
@juliad368 Жыл бұрын
you don't get it though. understanding why people act the way they do helps understand the criminal psyche better to help in the prevention of future crimes.
@aka44441
@aka44441 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of people like that. It's scary how many people with troubled psyche
@deltafay1981
@deltafay1981 Жыл бұрын
@@juliad368 There has never been a larger number of forensic psychiatrists, psychologists etc than there are now.... every other programme is about criminal profiling ..... you can read as much as you like about the seeds of psychopathy....is it due to lack of nurturing as a child?... head injuries?....in utero damage?..or could it be drugs? blah blah.... i was a psychi nurse for 3 decades .... a sadistic adult is a sadistic adult...their personalty traits have been formed long ago... you aren't changing them ....i hate to break it to you...but 'therapy' has ZERO effect on them and short of locking them up on diagnosis (that's illegal my dear)..there is no way to prevent them acting out their rage. ...believe me i do 'get' your theory..i just don't agree with it's efficacy
@arusyakkarapetyan2610
@arusyakkarapetyan2610 Жыл бұрын
Motive is important, because it is an important piece in proving guilty of murder!! All these shows are obsessed with proving there was a motive because otherwise it is hard to believe that this nurse did it because there is literally no physical evidence that it was her
@AMBK
@AMBK Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Dr Raj is right that she was a code blue junkie, because she also seemed to get off on the grief of the parents and wanted to be involved in that. That does sound more like a sadist - as the judge said.
@kahyui2486
@kahyui2486 Жыл бұрын
Not to be a smarty pants but isn't that pretty obvious and expected? That a murderer would look up the family of the person they murder whether straight away or couple years down the line . Seems kinda obvious pal. One would suggest curiosity as an obvious reason. Idk to me that's obvious and expected.
@AMBK
@AMBK Жыл бұрын
@kahyui2486 well you're not coming across as a smarty pants because you've missed the point. If someone was just interested in the thrill of the emergency situation as Dr Raj is suggesting then they wouldn't take morbid delight from the grief of the parents after the child had died.
@y2ksurvivor
@y2ksurvivor Жыл бұрын
​@@AMBKwhy does it have to be one or the other? why can't she gain pleasure from both?
@AMBK
@AMBK Жыл бұрын
@y2ksurvivor Dr Raj is criticising the judge for calling her a sadist. In my view the judge is right, she is a sadist and she isn't only interested in the emergency scenario, she is getting off on the grief after the event - that is sadistic. If you listened to what he said and read what I wrote, you wouldn't be asking this question.
@lisabelle7553
@lisabelle7553 2 ай бұрын
Also, Lucy never heroically saved any of the babies. She only stood by and watched the aftermath of the death she caused. She actually was resentful when the baby would be successfully treated and moved to another hospital.
@havestrength5802
@havestrength5802 Жыл бұрын
she did it because she enjoyed it. like most violent killers. it's not that complicated. it gives them PLEASURE to hurt vulnerable people.
@davidwee130
@davidwee130 Жыл бұрын
She liked it
@flowerjpotter1629
@flowerjpotter1629 Жыл бұрын
Sadism to me means someone who enjoys causing suffering. I don't understand why people are reluctant to say she is.
@MrPerfect-mo1xr
@MrPerfect-mo1xr Жыл бұрын
abit of white washing because self media execs self image and inability to target other groups of people since the most evil looks like lucy in recent conciousness
@sachaallen1716
@sachaallen1716 Жыл бұрын
Dewi Evans presented himself to police to be an "expert" as he had a business offering his services as such. He was out of the game for 15yrs and his "expertise" was not in neonatal care and his only neonatal experience was from early in his career and was brief. He also previously had his evidence dismissed as unreliable and useless.
@JaneboG
@JaneboG Жыл бұрын
So what are you saying? He got it wrong ?
@robinhood4640
@robinhood4640 Жыл бұрын
@@JaneboG I think what he is saying is that bloke talks bollocks. Another way of wording it, is that he is an unreliable witness.
@y2ksurvivor
@y2ksurvivor Жыл бұрын
So what does that mean to you? Letby is innocent? Let me go get the world's smallest violin and play it for her.
@deepblack2193
@deepblack2193 Жыл бұрын
@@y2ksurvivorshe possibly could be I’m not fully convinced of her guilt
@GaryBox
@GaryBox Ай бұрын
The report he referred to about air embolism was written by two authors. One of those authors has stated that this man Evans completely misunderstood his report. He wanted to speak at a retrial but one wasn't allowed.
@daisymaisy4877
@daisymaisy4877 Жыл бұрын
I love the presenter/ ex police detective, ive seen him a few times on programs hes so genuine and kind.
@caroldonaldson5936
@caroldonaldson5936 Жыл бұрын
Persaud's theory that she got off, not in the act of killing, but in 'saving' her victims fails to explain her repeated assaults on infants who 'failed' to die after the first attack.🤷
@rogkeista1
@rogkeista1 Жыл бұрын
Persaud is clueless. That's why he's always on television.
@caroldonaldson5936
@caroldonaldson5936 Жыл бұрын
@@rogkeista1 That's what happens to people who are found guilty of plagiarizing other medics' work and chucked off of Richard & Judy back in the 90s - he's an annoying, sneaky little pipsqueak!
@rozdoyle8872
@rozdoyle8872 Жыл бұрын
Well , I know a few sad saps who come alive when there is a death and they are first at the wake and funeral, 2 people, a man & a woman , they don't know each other and live miles apart so not a group effort , they are really sick & pathetic and nobody sees through them. Like some morbid buzz or something, everyone thinks these people are kind & caring , if only they could the excitement of these Gouls when they hear of a death. Kind & Caring my eye.
@elizabethmadron1336
@elizabethmadron1336 Жыл бұрын
She also took medical records of the dead babies home. So she could review the dead babies files. The police found those files along with the confession note and post it notes. It is like Ted Bundy returning to the scene of the crimes. All hospitals around the world should have hidden cameras to catch these crazy people. Then they should be taken off the ward, fired and jailed.
@raphaellavictoria01
@raphaellavictoria01 Жыл бұрын
She knew that being evil is not something to be proud of, but the main message is this: POOR ME. I'm suffering, it's hard on me too. It's tough to be a baby killer (!). Poor me, I'm evil, poor me, I'm alone, I'll never have kids or marry, poor me, I hate myself.... do you really, bc you didn't harm yourself in any way, no, you hate your life, maybe but otherwise, the message is, POOR ME, period. And all this "hate", no matter what, even if she actually does have self hatred, this hatred is directed outward, toward the babies, bc you really must hate the babies in order to do what she's done.
@peterllwlln
@peterllwlln Жыл бұрын
Stupid thing is she could get boyfriend and marry and have kids
@fliss362
@fliss362 Жыл бұрын
The only one in her graduation to not get a job within six months speaks volumes. There must have been early warning signs.
@TheMazinoz
@TheMazinoz 5 ай бұрын
@@fliss362Especially since there is almost always a nursing shortage everywhere.
@user-ku2xs1md2o
@user-ku2xs1md2o 3 ай бұрын
Lucy Letby is a scapegoat for the appalling conditions in that part of the Hospital and of mismanagement. She is innocent and will one day be free even though her life is destroyed.
@lisagriffiths8806
@lisagriffiths8806 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely disgusting 😡 Alarms were raised early on ...poor infants!
@Scorpio72350
@Scorpio72350 Жыл бұрын
Agree. Most people are pretty pathetic when it comes to caring for others, and most often it’s in hospitals!
@lisagriffiths8806
@lisagriffiths8806 Жыл бұрын
​​@@deepblack2193 The above post suggests, 'certain NHS Management weren't to be trusted when serious complaints were brought to them, i.e. babies could of been saved'! Management were told for 2yrs, despite serious concerns raised by Dr. Ravi Jayaram consultant, Paediatrician, Countess Chester Hospital? Dr. Jayaram was even told to apologize to Letby for raising concerns? There will always be criminals and psychopaths in society, however, Hospital Doctors brought serious concerns to management about Lucy Letby! Subsequently, those mangers have retired? The law needs to change for victims, innocent babies, their families and honest NHS staff, absolute injustice! 😡
@lisagriffiths8806
@lisagriffiths8806 Жыл бұрын
Four Pediatricians went to Management with their serious concerns regarding Lucy Lettby...i.e. concerns were raised which suggests, infant lives could of been saved😢.
@chickedee1085
@chickedee1085 Жыл бұрын
Corrupt.
@lisagriffiths8806
@lisagriffiths8806 Жыл бұрын
@@chickedee1085 I fully agree, I think their currently asking for a full public enquiry? Let's hope so 🤞
@weerobot
@weerobot Жыл бұрын
NHS Needs Complete Shake up..!!
@livinginharmoney3843
@livinginharmoney3843 Жыл бұрын
Her doctor friend was not just a friend.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 11 ай бұрын
Letby went on a nice cosy trip to London with him - allegedly.
@internetfairy1
@internetfairy1 Жыл бұрын
No surprises here then! NHS administration should have people with medical knowledge. Sadly, they are more interested in DEI. What a very strange generation we now have.
@angelarich8455
@angelarich8455 Жыл бұрын
Need the death penalty within a year 😢
@nellyb2434
@nellyb2434 Жыл бұрын
I had my own stories working for the NHS and its poor management. One big problem in my opinion was the legislation brought in and the huge amount of paperwork that was required. It led to management being unaware of what was going on on the wards..they had too many sub-standard managers, too many meetings resulting in more meetings, budgets that would only allow bank nurses that were paid double...so randoms were in all the time who had no idea about the patients they were looking after...yet they had no budget for permanent staffing...work that out! The good bosses were tearing their hair out due to the amount of paperwork required, meanwhile others were getting away with shoddy ward standards and nurses who were only it for the double pay. There were some wonderful nurses too, but the work was therefore harder for them as they did not get the support they needed!! The money wasted at the top was staggering. Sadly, the NHS is a mess. I saw many many people fundraising and donating to the hospital...important equipment desperately needed....but a lot of it went on buffet food and drinks at their meetings to keep the big bosses happy. I was so disgusted I left.
@IamTheSherm
@IamTheSherm 2 ай бұрын
These doctors owe her a bigger apology now. She will be exonerated after the shoddy diagnoses are exposed by responsible journalists.
@xxyes8879
@xxyes8879 Жыл бұрын
I've worked in NHS hospitals and seen alot of bullying and competition rather than bonding between staff, which is can be bad in the nursing profession. There is not sufficient support for those who experience mental health issues and they become pariahs that everyone avoids. Between that, the long hours and the expectations that when traumatic events happen you just suck it up and get on with it, the so-called caring profession get through it by cutting off their emotions, or they end up with PTSD. So there's that. Worst employer I ever had. But like others have pointed out, the vast majority of workers would never ever do something like this. There is not alot of point in speculating as to why someone does it - Im sure they could find a thousand excuses. Male nurses kill just as often, even though there are alot fewer of them around. Women who dont have children for whatever reason, should not yet again, be labelled as baby haters, because the vast majortiy arent, and there are baby hating parents out there too. The point is, to have better NHS safeguards in place to protect against such things happening, especially to the most vulnerable patients. And a better system so that staff aren't treated like factory robots and bullying or ostrasizing is dealt with seriously.
@teuilawilliams
@teuilawilliams Жыл бұрын
That doctor who was giving this evil his attention should held accountable too with this horrible crime
@byronwelch1288
@byronwelch1288 Жыл бұрын
Why?
@im_that_guy
@im_that_guy Жыл бұрын
They did Lucy dirty in the thumbnail lmao
@brianmilligan1787
@brianmilligan1787 Жыл бұрын
If you were innocent would you Like to have to attend a lynch mob Knowing that you've been Edited into A Criminal . With no voice what so ever How horrible would that be.
@harryhill8543
@harryhill8543 Жыл бұрын
The media has been ignoring NHS management for years, they have been destroying its own staff for decades, it was always going to affect patients we saw this coming.
@jacquijones1141
@jacquijones1141 Жыл бұрын
Excellent show as always, covering a very sad crime xx
@acb5245
@acb5245 Жыл бұрын
Its called projection and projective identification. I highly recommend HG Tudors Channel, as to what Lucy Letby is. And why.
@Sanctified57
@Sanctified57 Жыл бұрын
All I got from this round table discussion over Lucy Letby, were hypotheses and theories. I’m not saying she is innocent, but is zero hard evidence to prove her guilt, no confession (aside of course from the anguished writings on a piece of paper, when she actually also stated she was innocent) and there were no witnesses whatsoever. It’s all very concerning indeed
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 Жыл бұрын
REALLY 😩 😢 WAS YOU AT HER TRAIL WHERE SHE WAS FOUND GUILTY 😢 YOU SICKO
@therocksbyclan
@therocksbyclan Жыл бұрын
You can't trust anyone in authority these days people should remember that and that of all the recent cases of ppl who were in a position of trust, the old saying still rings true till this day, trust no one.
@heidijanssen4552
@heidijanssen4552 Жыл бұрын
I still don't understand why they don't have cameras in the neo natal wards ? When you have innocent babies who have no chance to speak for them selves or stand up for them selves camera protection should be there ... why do they not have baby cams on the cots/baby beds ect
@anneg5720
@anneg5720 Жыл бұрын
Because babies are entitled to privacy too, I had and lost a 24 weeker premature baby and i would not be happy with hospital videoing her at all times she deserved dignity and respect for her private parts. She was in an incubator the full time and she was changes etc in there too. I wouldn't be happy with people videoing my naked child.
@i_kissed_a_pixie1537
@i_kissed_a_pixie1537 Жыл бұрын
Because nobody wants some random security looking at images of children with no clothes on!
@leilachristie1861
@leilachristie1861 Жыл бұрын
Poor mum's. One of the worst things that can happen to their lives too.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 11 ай бұрын
Mums. Apostrophe not needed..... Apostrophe only required when implying ownership ie: mum's hat, mum's coat etc....
@abracadabra5636
@abracadabra5636 Жыл бұрын
Whatever happened to the management of the NHS Leeds general infirmary, and Stokes Mandesville? The ones who overlooked Jimmy Saville's crimes because he was an investor in their hospital.
@fs4u
@fs4u Жыл бұрын
If you really want to know what made Lucy Letby commit murder check out the excellent Lucy Letby series created by HG Tudor. Lucy Letby a narcissist, with psychopathic and sadistic traits thirsted for control and other aims demanded by her narcissism, which plagued her whole life.
@yolandehow
@yolandehow Жыл бұрын
Yes this has helped me understand this a little bit.
@talonsarise
@talonsarise Жыл бұрын
Yes HG is always thorough in his analysis
@MrChrisalf2004
@MrChrisalf2004 Жыл бұрын
I checked it out and it was, to use a word i dont often say, absolute bullshit. I should say absolute more often in future.
@rogkeista1
@rogkeista1 Жыл бұрын
H G Tudor is himself a psychopath spewing non-stop intellectual diarrhea. Pure verbiage.
@paulbirkbeck1790
@paulbirkbeck1790 Жыл бұрын
I have her down as satanic bloodline quite possibly her parents are to it would explain her total wickedness
@TheyCallMeJol
@TheyCallMeJol Жыл бұрын
Not a shock about management. Worked as a health care on a ward, was getting bullied by a sister. Myself and a couple of others were to. Not only that but some staff shouldn't be doing their jobs as they are obviously not init for the care. Unfortunately for me because management tried to blame it on my mental health I'd had enough so I left. I had worked in a care home prior to the hospital and I wish I never went there. I'm not working now suffering anxiety because of what I went through. To many people turn a blind eye in hospital and there care isn't there.
@kathyrnpotter
@kathyrnpotter Жыл бұрын
There are children and families who are contending with severe brain damage and all the pain and heartache that brings. Every day. Due to her actions.
@lesleywillis8710
@lesleywillis8710 Жыл бұрын
I think the 'resentment' theory goes a long way to exlain Letby's motivation. She wrote that she would never marry or have a family and coupled with her targeting of twins and triplets, and having several attempts to kill them, this resentment appears to have been heightened with multiple births. She never cried over the murdered or disabled children (as a consequence of her attempts to murder them) she only ever cried about herself. I think she'd been thoroughly spoilt by her parents and she couldn't accept that the doctor with whom she was infatuated would not be her partner and father of her children.
@patbuckley4039
@patbuckley4039 Жыл бұрын
Who was blamed for the other deaths on that unit?
@andyryan3756
@andyryan3756 Жыл бұрын
A good point there
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
Yep. She was blamed for 7 or THIRTY ONE! I suspect the raw sewage did it, but ain't an expert. Oh, the massively understaffed unit, poor practice and dodgy lead paediatrician...
@liesbethdewar469
@liesbethdewar469 Жыл бұрын
Best to be careful! I had 3 month old twin babies, both with bronchiolitis. One could stay home with dad, the other had to go to hospital. I went from one to the other to breastfeed them, thanks to kind friends helping me with transport. I hated I could not stay with the one in hospital more. I suspected they thought I was a bad mum for not being with him most of the time. An odd, older nurse, I think the only one I saw there, said that the babies weren't anxious to be away from their mums, it was the mums who were the anxious ones, which I thought was a strange thing to say. I was trying to stay calm for my little boy, but he was so anxious. Once out of the oxygen tent, I could pull the oxygen cylinder close and have him in my arms to breastfeed and he became so relaxed from having been so fidgety. So what she said was rubbish. Even more odd and concerning was that once, when I came in, she said in a very joyful and excited way: "We nearly lost him, it was that the doctor was in the room." I was so utterly stunned that she would say something so serious in such a cheerful way, I was too shocked to ask what had happened. I can't believe that I never tried to find out. It was all too stressful travelling between babies. Glad he could go home again, away from that strange place with that scary nurse.
@platypups
@platypups Жыл бұрын
😳 chilling
@i_kissed_a_pixie1537
@i_kissed_a_pixie1537 Жыл бұрын
You didn’t question why your baby nearly died?
@liesbethdewar469
@liesbethdewar469 Жыл бұрын
Yes, totally agree, I could never understand why I did not question it! I think I had got too used to very strange staff in the NHS, apart from those that are obviously true gems. Too pleasing at the time and just too stunned and stressed!
@HuxleyWasRight
@HuxleyWasRight Жыл бұрын
To a degree, Aren’t nurses trained to compartmentalise and separate themselves from the emotion of the job ? Otherwise how could you do job ?
@lynncuthbert2307
@lynncuthbert2307 Жыл бұрын
I Couldn't do that job. It takes a certain kind of person. Nurses can be very stern and bossy. The NHS is now a Corporation. Profit matters. Its gone beyond Florence Nightingale. Its a career and a pension. Bring back Matron.
@jesshargreaves4417
@jesshargreaves4417 Жыл бұрын
definitely not, compassion is one of the key principles of nursing
@juliemayes2027
@juliemayes2027 Жыл бұрын
Well as a nurse yes because you become useless to your patient however it does affect us and the odd case truly becomes too much and you do cry with your patient or relatives but this is an exemption because for sake of patient or relatives
@kahyui2486
@kahyui2486 Жыл бұрын
Yes they are and Drs are the proffesion with the highest level of psychopathic tendencies. Is anyone surprised that someone diagnosing u with terminal cancer isn't emotionally sensitive. It's actually a good thing, lawyers, judges, surgeons and drs shouldn't feel much emotion. If they do then they won't do a good job cos their jobs require 0 emotion and only rational thoughts. There's studies out there suggesting people in these careers have high level of people with psychopath traits (not psychopathy) basically they have low emotion and little remorse.
@xxyes8879
@xxyes8879 Жыл бұрын
Thats the myth, but the reality is that compassion runs out when noone shows you any.@@jesshargreaves4417
@elizabethmadron1336
@elizabethmadron1336 Жыл бұрын
My boyfriend trained to be to be a nurse but later changed to medical records. Before he changed he assisted in delivery of 2 babies. He also worked in the neonatal ward. It was his favorite place to work. He was in the army in Germany in late 80's. He said he could not believe she got away with it. Why would she do it? It made him sick when I told him what she did. He said they better put cameras up in the wards.
@anneg5720
@anneg5720 Жыл бұрын
I like the fact they went looking for evidence at her home as to why she would do this. Its scary as someone whos premature baby passed away after being off the ventilation for 2 days. I was getting my home ready for my daughter coming home and i got a call telling me my daughter had deteriorated. It makes you wonder and it definitely puts doubt and mistrust between patients and nhs staff and i will also mention I am nhs staff.
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
Oh love, that's absolutely horrific. I am so sorry x
@cheryl1909
@cheryl1909 Жыл бұрын
There should always be to nurses working in same room together around babys---
@meriamhaq123
@meriamhaq123 Жыл бұрын
I wish parents would never come to know about this brutality their newborns had to go thru. How can now they get over this pain all their lives😢?
@fancyfree8599
@fancyfree8599 Жыл бұрын
Lucy Letby was tried at age 32/33. When the crimes were committed she was about 25. So the theory she was envious of many of these older mums does not stick here. Her own parents were older when they had her. It‘s a very complex case without a doubt.
@AKUBARIKI
@AKUBARIKI Жыл бұрын
You have missed the point.
@raluktandara
@raluktandara Жыл бұрын
How do you know the age of the mums ??? At 25 ad a woman I can confirm you want kids. Don’t be ridiculous
@lena-Ramone
@lena-Ramone Жыл бұрын
The original person hasn't missed the point
@Oshunsprite
@Oshunsprite Жыл бұрын
I listened to a psychiatrist/MD called Andrew Van der Vaart on KZbin the other day. To my mind he gives some of the best analysis on Lucy I've heard so far. He talks about her having a split personality and more. What he says about her notes makes a lot of sense to me. The episode is called "Lucy the witch in the Shadow". Also Nick on True Crime Rocket Science is brilliant in his ovservations, research and analysis.
@HumanimalChannel
@HumanimalChannel Жыл бұрын
Oh, AVDV Is immaculate Also, someone who had a take on the notes i hadnt heard anywhere else was a Dr David Holmes, a criminal psychiatrist. He was interviewed on a channel, an Irish guy first name Colm, i can't recall sirname but his name is his channel name... holmes mentions the note about 20mins in. Someone else i enjoy is "DR G EXPLAINS" not to be confused with T.Grande.
@lena-Ramone
@lena-Ramone Жыл бұрын
Molly coddling parents too created a entitled narcissist psychopath lucy
@kahyui2486
@kahyui2486 Жыл бұрын
She doesn't have split personality. Why does everyone feel desperate to diagnose people who are clearly not mentally unwell with conditions they have little evidence of having. She does not meet the criteria for DID nor any personality disorders. Have u ever asked yourself what is split personality? Cos it's not something that is diagnosable. It's not even a condition. Seems like society can't accept that some HUMANS commit heinous crimes. You constantly try to degumise than by giving them labels and making metal health excuses. To he diagnosed with a disorder you need to meet the criteria and have symptoms. She DOESN'T. SHE IS NOT MENTALLY UNWELL. she is a human with low emotion. That does not make you a psychopath, there is literally rigid symptoms you need to have and ASPD to even be considered that. Stop tryna force labels on her. The only label that is factual is that she is human. Accept it. Evil humans exist. They don't all meet the criteria for MH disorders
@kahyui2486
@kahyui2486 Жыл бұрын
Dehumanise*
@xxyes8879
@xxyes8879 Жыл бұрын
No such thing as a split personality.
@pelumidaramola4129
@pelumidaramola4129 Жыл бұрын
Great talk, It would be nice to have had a nurse guest speaker and see their view point
@livinginharmoney3843
@livinginharmoney3843 Жыл бұрын
It has sickened the nation
@bitabyte
@bitabyte Жыл бұрын
Looks like you invited the wrong consultant. Read this: "It is quite apparent that the quality of the scientific evidence (in this case) is deficient and scientifically unfounded. For example, Dr Evans’ primary assertion is that some of the infants were harmed by air embolism, where air was deliberately injected into a vein, or through the stomach. Peculiarly, Dr Evans relies on a research paper from 1989 dealing with gas embolisms, which occur through the use of high ventilation pressures in preterm neonates. The cause of death due to gas embolism from high-pressure ventilation differs substantially from the cause of death due to air embolism. It is never properly explained how the article Dr Evans references could ever have been used as a basis for describing air embolism using ambient air with 21% oxygen introduced through various tubes. The paper Dr Evans references describes air embolism caused by high pressure 100% oxygen being delivered to the lung with such force it causes an air leak in the lung. When demonstrating the symptoms of a given physiological state, it is necessary to demonstrate this state in multiple peer-reviewed journal articles. There is no evidence supporting the finding of air embolism in any of the infants, as the expert witnesses rely on a journal article depicting gas embolism and not air embolism." There is much more. We will hear more about it I am sure during a retrial. If there is one. REAL experts are already describing this trial as a monstrous miscarriage of Justice and looks like your guess could be at the centre of the cyclone. ; ) No allegations made....
@Sundazed.
@Sundazed. Жыл бұрын
Also Dr Evans says I THINK that this is what happened.
@andyryan3756
@andyryan3756 Жыл бұрын
I bet he got a massive consultancy fee for his heroic efforts to. I bet it’s not the first time he has given his so called expertise either. Cockroach he is
@Sundazed.
@Sundazed. Жыл бұрын
Quoted from Dr Evans.. because you can not carry out tests very easily to find out if a baby has received injection with air and there is very little scientific information to help you. We had to rely on publications, some of which were over 30 years old to back up the medical evidence.
@Cactuscupholder
@Cactuscupholder Жыл бұрын
she was in her mid twenties at the time though.......and women in their early thirties can have kids, guy
@MC14may
@MC14may Жыл бұрын
Like many others im not fully convinced of her guilt...things dont sit right. The main thing was the pressure put on the jury by the judge over the verdict as members of the jury also had doubts. Im also suspicious of the ward and the theory she may be the victim of "gaslighting"as ive not heard a single story about good working conditions,team cohesion and all ive heard is the NHS is a cesspit of toxicity and a horrible place to work. Full of incompetent staff,cover-ups and blame culture. To me there was a lack of physical evidence pointing directly to her other than coincidence and circumstantial. She never admitted her guilt and i dont believe she had a fair trial.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 8 ай бұрын
Ok then, why did she choose to lie over 20 times in court under oath if she was innocent? An innocent person would have no reason or motive to lie.....
@ericaknesek3266
@ericaknesek3266 Жыл бұрын
Here in the US after the first baby there would of been an investigation and the hospital would be held responsible and a lawsuit would be filed
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
While these doctors just argued with management. Read an apology to her. Didn't ask for post mortem due to concerns In fact, six babies had death certificates which listed other, natural causes
@iainholmes2735
@iainholmes2735 Жыл бұрын
Excellent episode. Like an analytical Crimewatch for the AI age.
@freddiebiscuit9703
@freddiebiscuit9703 Жыл бұрын
If I am totally honest, I do not believe in keeping alive extremely premature babies who cannot breathe for themselves. If anyone saw the program a few years ago about this topic and saw the devastating handicaps that some of these children had they will understand where I am coming from. Having said this, for a nursing professional to wilfully and wickedly harm a poor helpless baby is beyond all belief and any forgiveness IMO.
@JoTracy
@JoTracy Жыл бұрын
"direct physical assaults" as well She was out of control. If she had not murdered so many so quickly, and kept attacking the same poor babies again and again, she probably would never have been caught, ever
@bigears5809
@bigears5809 Жыл бұрын
I'm unconvinced the verdict was competent.
@lemdixon01
@lemdixon01 Жыл бұрын
Yes the system is not set up for innocent people
@melgrant7404
@melgrant7404 Жыл бұрын
Well that is the verdict. Have to deal with it.
@lemdixon01
@lemdixon01 Жыл бұрын
@@melgrant7404 I'm sure you'll cope just fine.
@melgrant7404
@melgrant7404 Жыл бұрын
@@lemdixon01 yes I will. I'm happy with the verdict.
@bigears5809
@bigears5809 Жыл бұрын
How did the other eight or nine babies die?
@travellingwitch
@travellingwitch Жыл бұрын
I just hope that if there are repercussions that it will be managers held accountable. Nurses and doctors have enough pressure on them as it is. And as one doctor said about the revalidation that was meant to protect the public from another Harold Shipman, it’s very likely he would have passed his revalidation anyway….
@brianmilligan1787
@brianmilligan1787 Жыл бұрын
Could it be she was held in her Cell as they knew she would shout Out her Innocence Sounds more plausible
@janlittle2148
@janlittle2148 Жыл бұрын
She redused to come into court. Her last power play. She had plenty of chance to shout out her innocence
@rachelnguyen1655
@rachelnguyen1655 Жыл бұрын
How could she be jealous of mothers? She was young enough to have a baby. Was she diagnosed infertile?
@artfull334
@artfull334 Жыл бұрын
Exactly Letby was a young healthy woman in her twenties. They are way off, she was ANGRY because the parents were happy. She enjoyed watching the destruction of the parents and other peoples happiness.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 11 ай бұрын
Letby seemed to have a "thing" about babies from multiple births. She killed a few babies who were twins or triplets.
@MsCharlieBrown78
@MsCharlieBrown78 Жыл бұрын
Why is it whenever there is a high profile case like this, the interview panel are NEVER currently serving in their specialised field.. only retiree's giving their two pence. Why don't others speak out?
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
Was good enough for the prosecution's 'star witness'
@laurasalo6160
@laurasalo6160 Жыл бұрын
I dont know how confident i am in these verdicts. There are definitely concerns i have about Lebty's actions and the numbers, but also about the state of the hospital and the spreadsheet used to place her at the murders, the defense, the released juror. Id like to know more about the statistics of all baby deaths to all nurses. What are ALL the numbers, not just the ones Letby was present for. Do they allege she killed EVERY child that died on her watch? Surely at least some of them died of other causes while she was on shift? Do i understand correctly that the charges she faced for murder and attempt. murder were only one-third to one-half of the baby deaths that occured at the time and that Lucy was not present for any of the other deaths? Wouldnt that make the spreadsheet very different. Id be curious to see the statistical analysis of deaths they calculated (if they did it). I will grant that she was present for all deaths that she present at...... which is what the spreadsheet showed. But was she present for a significantly higher number of deaths than others in her ward, similar wards, other wards and what one should expect in future cases?? If we can tell statistically that she/anyone is way out of normal range, then could we not be alerted to this statistic by some so-designed computer program, immediately after the deaths occur, and catch the suspect staff immediately, or at least be alert to them ? Furthermore, she was only unanimously convicted in 3 cases (no unanimous decision needed in UK, just a majority- thats scary to my mind!!) One death was tossed before it ever got to trial - by the judge! What was wrong there and is that a sign of problems with the prosecution, cases etc? Also, the defense was pathetic. Were their hands tied by judge as far as arguing certain evidence, or were they just PATHETIC Attorneys? I could rhink of a millions ways to pick apart the cases etc. And, NOT ONE SINGLE DOCTOR testified in her defense? Why not? Just a JANITOR? WTF. The causes of the deaths were very difficult to prove and yet NOT ONE expert doctor testified on her behalf? Why are there not cameras in the nicu wards? Casinos film everything. Not for our precious, helpless children while with staff (who are generally unidentifiable tiny babies who i doubt the family will mind). They could watch the babies (and staff) all the time. Could discourage killers. Lastly, tho i am unconvinced of her guilt by the evidence and i think the jury could easily have found reasonable doubt, she sure seemed resigned to a bad verdict for some reason- she didnt show for the verdict!! She felt the case against her was overwhelming and believed herself that she was getting convicted? Why? Why didnt she show up to exclaim her innocence and to tell them theyre all wrong and to defend herself!? THIS act is what makes me convinced she is guilty of doing "something wrong" to at least a child. IMO, SHE felt guilty in her heart, otherwise she would have showed up at verdict and been defiant. Give us a reason, Lucy - those of us who are unsure about it all - give us a reason to believe in you and your innocence!
@deepblack2193
@deepblack2193 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you she desperately deserves a retrial
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
I think she's probably innocent. This has been a shambles. For statistical analysis, Richard Gill is on it. Also you really should see the norman fenton interview on here with Scott Mclachlan
@carollovell1053
@carollovell1053 Жыл бұрын
Not just the NHS admin all aspects of administration are able to abuse their responsibilities and corrupt their use I have been nursing for over 50years and have watched how administrations are able to cover up mistakes and resources stretched to make financial manipulation for businesses to maintain financial gain, and to control through threat the whistleblowers!!!!
@user-fq8rs7rz3i
@user-fq8rs7rz3i Жыл бұрын
I wish someone could explain why women do this. It’s sickening.
@jujutrini8412
@jujutrini8412 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it is down to Münchausen syndrome by proxy. It’s a psychological disorder and sometimes combines with narcissism. It could be to gain attention or sympathy.
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
May be best to focus on the 90% + committed by men
@kirs1064
@kirs1064 Жыл бұрын
Very well presented with great guests and fascinating insights. My thoughts and prayers to all the families of the victims.
@Tearsandbjs
@Tearsandbjs Жыл бұрын
She turned the medical emergencies into dramatic productions starring Lucy Letby.
@HumanimalChannel
@HumanimalChannel Жыл бұрын
Definitely Allit seemed to be one who loved that intensity..that Bringing of LIGHTS, ACTION! Im not sire that Letby was the same way even tho outwardly their patterns were very much the same. I think Lucy Letby is a Sadist.
@HumanimalChannel
@HumanimalChannel Жыл бұрын
Not to say she didnt also like the attn of people she could boast to, just like Allit..."the baby is going to go Hypo". "See, i knew it. It it weren't for me...see i am a good nurse "
@robinhood4640
@robinhood4640 Жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts about the police force turning this horrific crime into a Hollywood production film, with their video covering this case? Just out of curiosity.
@Psmith-ek5hq
@Psmith-ek5hq Жыл бұрын
She has been described as an introvert and loner, yet looking at many of her photos when she's out enjoying herself, she looks anything but. Perhaps she comes out of her shell when she's had a few.
@kahyui2486
@kahyui2486 Жыл бұрын
Oh yh cos quiet loners don't go out to birthday parties and Christmas partiesm they stay at home and cry
@pheart2381
@pheart2381 Жыл бұрын
I'm an introvert loner. It doesnt mean I am a criminal or a would be criminal. I just like my own company.
@andyryan3756
@andyryan3756 Жыл бұрын
Or maybe she is innocent and been stitched up.. don’t think that doctors and senior management will Not throw a young nurse under the bus to save there own skin. And what is most sickening is theses bastards are now being called hero’s. Ravi jayaram was also pushing the covid jab back in 2021… don’t ever forget that, I doctor takes a Hippocratic oath to do no harm but he was happy playing the so called hero in snaring the evil nurse but when not busy was pushing the clot shot.. I wonder how much money he got paid for that… scumbag him
@Psmith-ek5hq
@Psmith-ek5hq Жыл бұрын
@@pheart2381 I'm not saying you do.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 11 ай бұрын
some of those photographs were taken after Letby had been suspended from duty, and had been instructed not to talk to or meet any work friends or colleagues. She claimed at the time she was becoming very "isolated" and "depressed". It doesn't much look like it in the photos though, does it?
@bumblebee7542
@bumblebee7542 Жыл бұрын
Who killed the other 10 babies whose deaths she wasn't present for?
@i_kissed_a_pixie1537
@i_kissed_a_pixie1537 Жыл бұрын
Don’t be silly
@sissy9393
@sissy9393 Жыл бұрын
I think they could have stopped her but Demon Lucy Letby is totally to blame
@sissy9393
@sissy9393 Жыл бұрын
I was disappointed when. I heard the TikTok rumor of her being in hospital due to boiling sugar water was untrue. I can't help it. I have such a reaction to these poor babies being tortured. God help the parents. Their babies didn't deserve this. She was jealous and a sick sadist. Her poor parents didn't raise a daughter but a demon
@birdy3244
@birdy3244 11 ай бұрын
Excellent hard hitting episode exposing the truth within the shockingly poor management within the NHS that we are subjected to these days!!! This should be aired on prime time tv for all to see!
@sarabalcombe896
@sarabalcombe896 Жыл бұрын
Great show loved every minute 👍
@sharonwashington8150
@sharonwashington8150 Жыл бұрын
Plague is right! the sentencing does not match the crime most of the time! there lies one of biggest problems.
@JD-eq4dp
@JD-eq4dp Жыл бұрын
As bad as these managers have been dont let the doctors off the hook. If they were that concerned they should have gone to the Police themselves. They didnt. We're not talking about nurses nicking sone aspirin. Shame on them !
@manichairdo9265
@manichairdo9265 Жыл бұрын
Without evidence?
@sandrinelaurindo384
@sandrinelaurindo384 Жыл бұрын
Really good programme thank you 2 all that been part of it incluind the guests
@LoreeG82
@LoreeG82 Жыл бұрын
The lack of emotion in her police interview is telling, l feel anyone accused of this horrific crime would be so very emotional in denying this, can't imagine being accused of something if you were innocent and staying calm and emotionless
@robinhood4640
@robinhood4640 Жыл бұрын
Your comment is telling. It tells us that you think you behave how we should behave, and any variation to that, is suspect. You should mention this to your therapist.
@y2ksurvivor
@y2ksurvivor Жыл бұрын
​@@robinhood4640You should mention your Letby crush to your therapist. Yikes.
@robinhood4640
@robinhood4640 Жыл бұрын
@@y2ksurvivor That'll be you imagining things, that there is absolutely no evidence for whatsoever, again. You really should be discussing all this with your therapist. Make an appointment, before you forget.
@LoreeG82
@LoreeG82 Жыл бұрын
@@robinhood4640 😅 it's your reply that's very telling !
@francishooper9548
@francishooper9548 Жыл бұрын
evidence for murder = no evidence for motive = no, evidence for method = no, evidence for opportunity = no.
@robinhood4640
@robinhood4640 Жыл бұрын
What do you need evidence for? The doctors told us they were killed, the doctors told us how they were killed and the doctors told us Lucy killed them. Just because if Lucy didn't kill them, it would mean the doctors were too incompetent to know why they were dying, doesn't mean we should be suspicious of them telling fibs. Why would you want factual evidence when you have the doctors opinion?
@SoldUrSoul24982
@SoldUrSoul24982 Жыл бұрын
​@@robinhood4640You know why evidences should be provided. Are you actually sticking up for the negligences of other staffs & hospital failings!?
@SoldUrSoul24982
@SoldUrSoul24982 Жыл бұрын
​@@50milliondownthedraintonym16Well said & I agree with you👀
@sbeast64
@sbeast64 Жыл бұрын
Still not 100% sure whether the verdict was right or not, but here's some important points to consider: - At least one baby died in that hospital in 2014 due to negligence by doctors. (Baby called Noah) - An inspection in 2022 showed the Hospitals maternity services to be "unsafe for mothers and babies." - Lucy took part in a campaign to raise funds for a new neonatal unit at the hospital. - She was a nurse at this hospital for 3 years before anything suspicious began. (2012-2015)
@rolandhawken6628
@rolandhawken6628 Жыл бұрын
I think her conviction is unsafe ,convicting on circumstantial evidence is always unsafe. In a way I hope she is guilty ,because if she is not think what the system has done to her
@enlightenedprophetss
@enlightenedprophetss Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this info! I think she's innocent
@robinhood4640
@robinhood4640 Жыл бұрын
@@rolandhawken6628 If she is not guilty, this is a hell of a FU. With nothing but nonsense from all the specialists in every field related to it. Up to, during and since her case. I sincerely hope my doubts are wrong and she really is guilty.
@JoTracy
@JoTracy Жыл бұрын
Yeah nah The rate and frequency of deaths associated exclusively with her presence, that stopped as soon as she was moved, as well as her FB searches and trophies...she's 💯 guilty It wasn't the Hospital
@JoTracy
@JoTracy Жыл бұрын
There was suspicious activity by her going back to 2012
@eppleheid
@eppleheid Жыл бұрын
Please watch Norman Fenton interviews Dr Scott McLachan on concerns about the evidence in the Lucy Letby case
@jillburn1
@jillburn1 Жыл бұрын
That was a good discussion .
@user-vl1tw4by3r
@user-vl1tw4by3r Жыл бұрын
Did they ever ask her outright if she murdered the babies reminding her she was under oath?
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 8 ай бұрын
She lied over 20 times in court under oath..... That alone merits a custodial sentence, never mind the murders.
@user-vl1tw4by3r
@user-vl1tw4by3r 8 ай бұрын
It should have been a given the very first suspicion and complaint. They ignored everyone but her. Unforgivable!
@violinstar5948
@violinstar5948 Жыл бұрын
“The quality of baby card in the UK is as good as anywhere in the world”. Probably not anymore. Learn the lessons bla bla bla
@supportingsistersuk2238
@supportingsistersuk2238 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely damming. The words of the Paediatrician about the hospital management says it all, sadly and plainly. They were worried about themselves not the children dying.
@Tearsandbjs
@Tearsandbjs Жыл бұрын
A male nurse saving a baby is praised but does not receive the admiration, warmth & support that a female nurse often would. She turned the medical emergencies into dramatic productions starring Lucy Letby.
@SpiritualTarotbyYvonne
@SpiritualTarotbyYvonne Жыл бұрын
So are you saying that it is a gender problem?
@BanjoPixelSnack
@BanjoPixelSnack Жыл бұрын
Any evidence for this assertion that male nurses don’t receive the same admiration as female nurses? No? Thought not.
@Tearsandbjs
@Tearsandbjs Жыл бұрын
@@BanjoPixelSnack Do you have any evidence for presuming male nurses receive the same admiration as female nurses? No? Nothing? And btw that's not my point. I was specifically talking about nurses caring for babies, not nurses in general.
@MaryMacElveen
@MaryMacElveen Жыл бұрын
Did the unnamed Doctor LL had a crush on dispute that it was an affair? Interesting that they allowed him to stay anonymous and testify in court from behind a screen. I wonder if his wife and colleagues know? 🤔
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