Tank Cage vs Javelin and NLAW

[@logoseven3365]

The “cage”, is actually a BBQ grill for when the tank is on fire.

[@rich7447]

Best comment of the week!

[@nialldoyle8206]

😂

[@bamhamer]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@njgrplr2007]

Temporary luggage rack for the comrades bugging out.

[@rickconnolly5006]

Num nums

[@zach11241]

I put a cage around my house. My in laws still managed to get in.

[@bite-marx]

wokka wokka wokka

[@helterskelter416]

you didn't putin enough effort in building it i guess

[@bphenry]

@@helterskelter416 OMFG!! This is the most under-appreciated comment stream ever! I'm ded. 🤣🤣

[@razminka.7522]

Killer comment!

[@MrGraywolves]

You need to add the reactive armour system....some people use Rotties, others Pitties...I personally prefer the older Dobies...

[@Sparta_121]

I was anti tank platoon in the parachute regiment and was trained and fired the javelin. Wicked weapon system. Top attack, fire and forget unlike the milan system it replaced in the british army. The tracking gates in the sight system are easy to use and locks onto the target with ease. The only problem i had with the kit was it wasnt durable enough. We done alot of tank recognition and learned how to recognise nato and russian tanks by just showing us a certain part of the tank and we had to identify them.

[@cesaravegah3787]

Very interesting points and shows that the system though vastly superior to others it still can be improved, hope that the Ukranians get more of them anyways

[@coreliousc8915]

This guy is literally copy pasting this every where. really doubt he was in an anti tank platoon. More likely a bot given how many videos I've seen his comment on.

[@thamwaikeong5885]

MILAN is a SACLOS system. The 2T is still quite potent, rated for one metre of armor or three metres concrete.

[@greva2904]

Apparently many experts in the west were worried that the Javelin, which is now quite an old system, would become obsolete in about 2025, so it’s good to see that it’s still up to the task. The Ukrainians seem to prefer the NLAW though as it’s much easier to use, requires much less training and is more suitable for use in urban combat. But if you’re in a Russian tank right now both systems must be scaring the crap out of you.

[@KFCLOVERMY]

I think they'll squeeze out a countermeasure soon enough, either the ruskies or Chinese, now they seem what they can do.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Javelins do require more training compared to point and click AT weapons. Such anti-armor weapons are better for issuing en masse. Once fired you just break the sights and leave the tube as trash. However, they shouldn't (and aren't) eschewed for one over the other. Both styles of weapons have their strengths and weaknesses.

[@edwinalexis593]

@@KFCLOVERMY yet the offensive technology is easier to create/improve than the defensive ones, so the battle results can also provide valuable info on how to make the Javelin and NLAW systems even more lethal

[@sirxavior1583]

It's debatable. Active Protection Systems (APS) and the Trophy system should in theory stop ATGMs. But it also depends on the location of the sensors. If i'm not mistaken the APS on the T-90 is located on the front turret and is only effective in the direction that the Turret is pointing...so a Javelin should still be effective if you target the tank from the rear and out of sight of the APS. A planned Javelin saturation with each operator firing at the tank from diffrent sides may also overwhelm the APS, provided they all fire at exactly the same time.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

It seems the Panzerfaust 3 is gaining popularity. No guided, no top attack, but it's the handiest of them all, and the penetration is enough to disable a tank from any direction.

[@757Poppy]

I thought the cages were a means of stopping the crews running away.

[@sumitd500]

🤣

[@nicholasmuro1742]

In mother Russia, you do not run from tank. Tank runs you

[@blackcountryme]

Ooooo

[@chriswalker7555]

Too soon!

[@markjackson7467]

Saying "COULD" is not an analysis - try presenting actual energy and timing details with experimental data

[@danboyd2725]

It's like in the Roadrunner cartoons when While E Coyote pulls out a small umbrella to fend off a bolder.

[@danboyd2725]

@True South Like the Javelin Missile System, they all worked as designed.

[@skinnybub5237]

Omg 😱 🤣 #1 KZbin comment of the day!!!

[@jamesm3471]

Screw Wile E Coyote. He was always the aggressor and deserved everything he got…

[@bear76009]

I worked for UPS and picked up from an ACME Co in Texas one time. They asked me what I was there for and I said Rocket Boots without missing a beat.

[@grievetan]

Whoever designed Javelin is a genius

[@daveholmes5540]

The cage is not for protection, its to keep the soldiers in and stop them running away from ukrainian soldiers. 😂

[@taliakron641]

from what? does this savagers have an army? lol

[@tomgreene7942]

Or perhaps it is to make the soldiers feel like they have extra protection, even if it doesn't work.

[@edi9892]

This reminds me of that my grandfather claimed that they shot a Soviet tank and it kept moving in circles. They shot it again and then discovered that the hatches were locked from the outside...

[@claygamer3657]

@@taliakron641 what

[@markjackson7467]

Saying "COULD" is not an analysis - try presenting actual energy and timing details with experimental data

[@bellezayverdad]

It's also called ESA or 'Emotional Support Armour'. It doesn't help much against antitank weapons though.

[@classicforreal]

Alternatively Cope Cage

[@Wallyworld30]

@@classicforreal I heard Speak the Truth call it a Cope Cage and that's the best way to describe it.

[@markjackson7467]

Saying "COULD" is not an analysis - try presenting actual energy and timing details with experimental data

[@Wallyworld30]

@@markjackson7467 Nobody in this thread said "Could" wtf are you even talking about?

[@markjackson7467]

@@Wallyworld30 The idiot making this video did and presented no evidence - there is plenty of video showing Russian tanks with reactive armour being hit multiple times and being repaired on telegrm/twtr.

[@gregwasserman2635]

The cage does a great job of increasing the profile of the tank and making it easier for the enemy to locate, defeating the nest asset of the Russian tank- it's low profile.

[@zeffy._440]

the cage still leaves a smaller tank when compared to it's western counterparts while protecting against standard rockets and drones.

[@gregwasserman2635]

@@zeffy._440, so far it hasn't stopped the early versions of the Javelin while letting the Ukrainian forces let them know where they are. But believe what you wish, this sort of rationalization is why the Russians are bogged down right now.

[@AClemence771]

@@zeffy._440 the cages only use is to just cope that they cant even protect themselves from those javelins

[@zeffy._440]

@@AClemence771 the cages aren't designed against Javeline's. They are great against drones that drop explosives from above and work great as an additional area to store gear. Cope harder out of curiosity how did Mariupol go? Siberia treat you well so far?

[@bitterbutter1000]

The Americans put cages around their vehicles in the last 2 wars they lost. 😃😄😁

[@ivanstepanovic1327]

Actually, this cage was not meant to protect against Javelin and similar missiles. It just can't do that. It is put there on tanks meant for urban combat. In those conditions, enemy uses RPG-7 and similar systems from tall buildings, shooting downwards on top of the tank (proven very effective in Chechnia). Also, RPG-7 is widely used and there are A LOT of those in former USSR republics. Also, most of its ammo still going around was produced in 1960s and 70s, so it is less effective and with less advanced fuses, so cage armor might have some use. Also, note that under this cage, there are still ERA blocks. So, cage plus ERA (old Kontakt-1 is small enough to fit there) will defeat RPG and other low penetration older ordnance. Also, drone missiles are relatively small and have less penetration compared to Javelin and this might help to some extent against those as well. But against Javelin? Forget it, it will go through no problem! Tandem warhead and massive penetration... There is only a slight chance this cage might fool the seeker about the actual position of the tank's turret and cause the HEAT jet to hit engine compartment. However, the chances of it working every time are slim and the tank will still be out of battle (crew might survive this, though).

[@zipz8423]

To be honest we can only speculate about the reasons, but what you have said does have logic attached to it. I agree on the Javelin, the thinking - if Javelin is a consideration it might be for the umbrella to initiate the warhead fuses - but that isnt going to work all of the time because the javelin fuses arent in the front of the round but a good enough impact will make it go bang early according to the field manuals.

Cope cage

[@knoahbody69]

That cage might be able to stop Molotov Cocktails, possibly a grenade. An RPG-7 wouldn't be stopped unless the grenade doesn't go off. The top of the tank is always the weakest point. I mean, how are soldiers going to get into the tank? That cage is pretty much useless and the other thing about tanks in urban fighting is they can be easily trapped and immobilized allowing infantry to overwhelm in close quarters.

[@keithjurena9319]

ERA is of limited utility in MOUT. ERA adds fuel, once the molotov cocktails start flying, that means 5 minutes until BBQ communists are ready to serve. The dish is done when the Jiffy Pop tank pops its top.

[@georgepalmer5497]

I'm wondering if they could develop this system into iterations that do make a difference on top down rocket attacks on tanks. While this approach might seem useless now, it can be further developed, and it seems so much more efficient than the Trophy system.

[@alastairbarkley6572]

Ukrainian forces got large numbers of NLAW first - as their primary anti-tank weapon. There weren't any complaints about it, despite it having lower specs (and lower weight and cost). The British Army has both Javelin and NLAW but uses them in a complementary, not competitive, way.

[@konfunable]

agree. NLAW is shorter range, so better in norther part of Ukraine with woods and cities. Javelins are much better in south where the steppes and farms are, so you need long distances.

[@Weakeyedominant]

NLAW disappointed in the export market but this was down to militaries not expecting to use them and selected more expensive options with more bells and whistles in much smaller numbers. As terrible as war is, it does tell everyone what works and what is just a shinny expensive waste of money on a defense stand. The Baltic States are all now putting in orders for NLAW. The Ukrainians so far have preferred it to javelin which is heavier, slower to setup and more complex. Great if firing from a remote turret on a light vehicle, but at infantry level they are crying out for NLAW.

[@ReadmanJ]

@@Weakeyedominant Oh, and they'll get them.

[@sashakyrus6934]

I'm from Ukraine and I can complain that NLAW has some problems with the battery, so we have to modify it a little bit

[@ReadmanJ]

@@sashakyrus6934 Good luck friend I'm pulling for you and everyone over there. Cherers m8

[@nanyafahkinbiznes1352]

Cages were meant for single HEAT type ammo but the javelin missile is twice that HEAT, it might block the first explosion but the second one will definitely pen the armor with ease.

[@TheGrrson]

There is something incredibly satisfying about watching a guy with a rocket take out a tank.

[@bigblue6917]

When Russia was fighting in Grozny they lost a number of tanks to RPGs being fired from the upper floors of buildings. That is what the cage is there to stop. It was not designed to stop Javelin or NLAW missiles. As for hitting the side of the tank video footage has shown that the reactive armour of the Russian tanks is in a very poor state or even missing entirely. So a side shot could penetrate without much problem.

[@TimKellerLinuxNinja]

Now that the Ukranians are being supplied with German PanzerFaust's as well, those are known to defeat skirt ERA as well.

[@pulaski1]

If you hit it with anything that removes a track, the crew will apparently run away and abandon the tank.

[@trololoev]

i think you confusing russian and dnr/ukraine tanks. Russian tanks t72b3 pretty modern with new reactive armor.

[@SueMyChin]

@@trololoev No, he's not confused. He's saying that the Russian tanks that have ERA have been poorly maintained and in many cases it's in poor condition or missing.

[@trololoev]

@@SueMyChin t-72b3 has or kontakt-5 or relict armor, both of them placed under armor, how it can be missing or damaged? only way you can lost it is after receiving AT rocket in it.

[@trevortrevortsr2]

At the start of the Conflict Ukraine had 2,000 NLAW and 47 Javelin launches - Quantity has a quality of its own

[@peterkwolek2265]

When I found out about shape charges I was borderline traumatized just from photos of the people in our IED training course that were in armored HMMWVs and charges punched through like it was a soda can.

[@jazztheglass6139]

South African army strapped full water tanks to sides of their armoured vehicles, helped against rpg's

[@timothywilliams1359]

Way back in the 1980s, when I first went through ROTC at Knox, I realized my chances of survival on a modern battle field would be a lot higher as an infantry soldier than sitting inside a huge metal target. Never regretted that decision.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Shape charge AT weapons have been used since at least WW2. Panzerfausts come to mind. They didn't have to worry about velocity or trying to penetrate with some sort of dense metal core.

[@zipz8423]

And Strykers.

[@zipz8423]

@@jazztheglass6139 Nice, the water would still transmit the energy hydrodynamically but initiate the fuze early preventing penetration. A bit like water ERA.

[@RaedwaldBretwalda]

[I am not an expert] The purpose of cage armour is to damage the detonator of a contact fused shaped charge. Such as for the ubiquitous RPG. The NLAW, as the video shows, is not contact fused (magnetic or IR, I guess). The front of a Javelin is the IR sensor, so it's detonator can't be damaged by a cage. But, as another poster pointed out, the cage would still be useful against RPGs fired down from buildings in urban areas, and the Russians might reasonably expect THAT to be a problem.

[@joeharris4353]

The principle is to detonate it at a distance. The shape charge is designed to concentrate the piercing material right in front of the payload. If it's detonated a foot away from the armor, it will defuse the material that's being projected into a wider beam, thus lowering its effectiveness. The beam remains focused by the armor if it enters as intended. Just a basic RPG 7 can defeat 24inches of steel. With a cage 12 imches from the armor. Made of half inch sheet material cut into 2 inch slates can defuse the beam enough for 6 inches of steel to stop it

[@viper29ca]

Javelin also has a fly over top attack mode, as well as a much longer 4.5km range vs the NLAW, but both are excellent systems

[@trololoev]

but in comparison with for example cornet with 10km or spike with even bigger range range they are pretty outdated as AT weapon.

[@viper29ca]

@@trololoev the results would prove that statement as false

[@getsideways7257]

@@trololoev You most likely meant "not quite as advanced"

[@trololoev]

@@getsideways7257 if i remember correctly, cornet are pretty old, if someone worse that old AT system, i think it is pretty outdated. But nlaw is something between rpg-7 and atgm, so it has pretty unique place. This is more like great rpg that bad atgm. Fun fact - all tells aboun javelines but noone see it effect and noone tell about nlaw but many see it effect. Maybe it is rude, but if you need to go in tank firing range to use weapon, then against modern army it is pretty suicidal.

[@getsideways7257]

@@trololoev Well, I was mostly talking about Spike. That's seems to be a really formidable AT system - and not just because of its range (which also varies).

[@jaredcorser3372]

U not stopping that hot projectile when it hits that cage is still going threw that turnt

[@cageordie]

NLAW isn't just a shaped charge, it's an EFP, or SFF. The explosive forms a metal dish into a solid slug which it simultaneously accelerates to about 2km/s. The range is not limited to a specific ideal standoff the way a conventional HEAT or shaped charge is, it will work at up to 100m. I don't know how the detonating sensor works, so I don't know the vertical band that it can work in.

[@getsideways7257]

SFF? Is that another name for EFP? And yes, every overfly AT system uses EFP, including the latest TOWs.

[@benthurber5363]

From what I've read, it uses a camera with profile recognition and a selectable magnetic sensor.

[@davidm.4670]

Thanks for explanation!, 100m out seems like a lot - but possible - like gun-fired from close range ...

[@francislaguna9142]

Correct

[@golong1343]

The cage installed above the tank is for the crews to have a false confidence as their engineers knew that the cage will not do anything to stop the penetration.

[@timothywilliams1359]

When you are chugging vodka, the cage sounds like a brilliant idea.... R.I.P.

[@azpowerhitter]

Oh Man this made me laugh. nice!

[@digivagrant]

chugging all that copium

[@danmur15]

from what ive heard, the cope cages arent designed for the NLAW or Javelin. They are supposedly designed in response to previous urban warfare instances in the middle east where weaker RPGs were used from buildings above the tanks.

[@trololoev]

javeline work same as rpg from roof so it wotks against it as well.

[@pirobot668beta]

William Fairbairn taught Cops in Shanghai to hold their off-hand arm up like a shield, covering the heart and throat. Put one fist under you chin, back of your hand facing the Enemy...that's the stuff. It didn't afford that much protection, but anyone shooting at you will sub-consciously be trying for a 'clear shot' around the obstacle. These cages are that same kind of 'protection'.

[@duanemarshall1889]

Thought it was carry the air around out of date rations

[@slavetool9066]

If the cage causes the charge to activate far enough away from the tank it may be effective. The shape charge effectiveness is definitely subject to detonation at a specific distance from the armor; make it detonate further away and penetration will be reduced.

[@amitkp6957]

Having layered sheets of ERA 6 inches apart instead of bar cage can work better. When first layer explodes as missile hits, the 2nd and 3rd layers move in the opposite vertical direction instantaneously and thus hitting the missile like a baseball bat, not only exploding themselves and the tandem charge but also deflecting it somewhat. Also an upward looking radar/sensor that releases HE rounds vertically can kill off missile at much higher distances. Both can be also be cheap like less than $10K to protect $3M tank average price.

[@KFCLOVERMY]

Adding tonnes of weight and overbearing the engine.

[@amitkp6957]

@@KFCLOVERMY Maximum 1 tonne of weight added for whole tank but here we are talking only turret surface area for 2 layers so reduce it to around half a tonne at most. " A Kontakt ERA tile with two reactive sandwich plates has a weight of 5.7 kilograms without attachment bolts. About 151 tiles are used for a tank (although the number varies depending on tank type and surface area)."

[@knerons]

So which tanks are using 2+ layers of ERA armor today? Kind of sounds like a loot of armor and added weight. Not seen any tanks using so many layers at the front.

[@supportmalphite8769]

Russians aren’t smart enough to do this for one and for two they could care less how many of their troops die.

[@KFCLOVERMY]

@@amitkp6957 sure thing, pal. Don't forget to write about your 'keyboard scientist qualification" when you submit your designs to the kermlin

[@juicyj3819]

You need a voice guy? I'm available

[@Imad_Oofus]

“My name is Casey Miller, and I’m in the third grade. Ever since I can remember, people have told me I should read the morning announcements. My friends always say to me “dear Casey, your voice is like butter to our ears. Could you please find a way to get that audible chocolate on the airways?”.

[@juicyj3819]

@@Imad_Oofus you know!

[@venox3811]

Each system has its purpose in the battlefield. They can complement each other.

[@Maks-Yarysh]

You may also check Ukrainian AT sydtem Stugna P whick is often using by Ukrainian forces at the moment. It is less complicate, less accurate but more cheap and from the footage seems has also powerful detonation and penetration force.

[@zzodr]

The only Cage that could stop a Javelin is Nicholas Cage.

[@usarmyfl1]

Ahh your's is one of the rare videos that actually shows the missile go up, then down and follows the whole thing in top attack mode.

[@stevefitzpatrick4260]

Good analysis on these systems

[@viteslavjedlicka7138]

Hello , can with camera see homing infra laser beam ? thanks

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

The cages are more effective against Soviet designed RPGs since they are more likely to hit and detonate on the cage. Having HEAT almost completely negates it.

[@MORDOR7379]

Тандем ные выстрелы забыл, на РПГ!

[@KekusMagnus]

only the cheaper RPG rockets, the tandem warheads will go through the cage just like the Javelin does

[@getsideways7257]

And what do you think the RPGs have? It's exactly HEAT. Look up "slat armor" to understand the idea behind these cages.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

I wonder if ERA tiles would improve the (under)performance of the cage?

[@murraydupley9330]

Could the cages make the first charge go off higher above tank making it and 2nd charge alittle less effective?

[@erikmansson7087]

Yes a little but the protection on the top is way to weak however

[@EnigmaG]

I wonnder what happens if you put a layer of ERA on top of the case and another layer of ERA under the case above the tank, will this be enough to defend against javelin?

[@NIKOinIRL]

you call it tank cage, i call it BBQ grill😅

[@nunyabiznazz2883]

What are we going to BBQ today??

[@chillywilly4126]

Does absolutely nothing to protect anyone in that tank.

[@marianchicago4002]

Curious what countermeasures could be used against the 2 anti tank systems besides armor increases which would have to be addressed on the design and production side of things. I am talking soldiers on bases or on the Ukrainian front,

[@ansonang7810]

I saw tanks in videos surviving hits. still operational from ambush. 1 tank keep moving trying to escape survive 3 hits 1 miss but burned then exploded on 5th hit. I guess charge they need to hit ammunition , crew or engine to stop the tank.

[@lex1945]

These cages even don't protect you from rain. And even if it would do anything, the tandem warhead would still penetrate the tank and kill it.

[@ligametis]

They don't in particular have to protect from Javelin, they can protect from less advanced tandem missiles or shape charges. US also use cages on their vehicles.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

@@ligametis for RPG protection, not for HEAT weapons which aren't as fielded by non-NATO entities.

[@edwindelossantos29]

Can't even Protect you from Molotov cocktails thrown on top of the building, Maybe tank cages are more applicable in Israel or the IDF Tank from Stone-throwing Palestinians, Lol!

[@brianbozo2447]

Russia had 10 -15 years to develop countersystems against Javelin missiles and seemingly did very little to protect their tanks and now they are exposed as weak and incompetent and young Russians are beingburned alive in their armor as a result Russian should never have invaded if their tanks were this vulnerable.

[@KekusMagnus]

They developed effective APS systems even in the Soviet Union, they have new and improved versions too. It's not about developing them, it's about actually putting them in the tanks that see combat. They're not even that expensive, Putin is just an idiot and cheaped out on the wrong thing (or rather his corrupt military officials did)

@@KekusMagnus He is the head of the corruption. How the hell do you think he is worth 200 billion on a President's salary in Russia.

[@ТуманВойны-о6з]

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[@nogod7184]

Tank cage? It's like wrapping your body in plastic bags to protect from rifle's bullets.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

Depends on a multitude of factors. It's actually more effective than you may think.

[@ligametis]

They don't in particular have to protect from Javelin, they can protect from less advanced tandem missiles or shape charges. US also use cages on their vehicles.

[@Minedeployder]

No. Dude, USA used wood against japan in ww2. You think modern HEATs are much different?

[@thunderbear0]

Thats a cage armor to protect tanks top side from RPG when in urban combat

[@raylast3873]

Nicholas Moran has pointed out we don‘t really know that the cages don‘t work and that at least from what evidence we have, all the tanks that got busted didn‘t have them. Though of course this could be due to other factors. Of course it could be just a psychological thing, but we‘ll have to wait and see until the history of this war gets written. Incidentally, it‘s not exactly a new thing for tankers to be DIYing non-standard extra armor for their vehicles.

[@rohzpopper4922]

This is useless. At least need a convex solid shield with explosive device. Those shield can be lifted sideway....

[@jonmassey8124]

Love the fact that the worlds MBTs cost millions 💲 and can be blown to pieces with something like the NLAW that costs about $20,000 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@eeiko321]

No different to a torpedo that can sink a battleship

[@AstrusEminus]

@@eeiko321 I get what you mean but not really. You can't launch a torpedo from your shoulder, it gets a lot more expensive since you need to facilitate them.

[@colincampbell767]

However - the Trophy Active Protection Systems (APS) are currently being fielded (although much too slowly) to US armored fighting vehicles. This system not only shoots down incoming missiles - it also provides an aiming cue towards where the missile came from.

[@jonmassey8124]

@@colincampbell767 yeah, tbh I thought that Russia would have reactive armour but going by the destruction rates they obviously don't.. not sure about the latest Armata as I'm sure they do BUT not seen a single one in Ukraine which implies Putin is fearful that they could be destroyed..🤔

[@colincampbell767]

@@jonmassey8124 They do have reactive armor. It's the brick like material on the tanks. And the plates bolted to the turret at odd angles. The problem is that the NLAW and Javelin are top attack missiles and hit the tank where the armor is thinnest. And reactive armor does not stop a HEAT warhead - it just reduces the amount of armor it can penetrate. Also the Javelin has a small precursor charge to detonate the reactive armor before the actual warhead hits it. The M1 series tank is quite frankly - something that should have been replaced 20 years ago. I suspect that the tank may be at the limits of what it's electrical system can power.

[@DrDLightful]

A cage would work ok against and RPG. Problem is even with a NLAW detonating high above the tank, if it penetrates down, the crew is probably dead anyways. Usually what kills the crew is either the oven effect or the blast concussion. Similarly with tank rounds... I've heard that if a Sabot from an M1 tank gets through the enemy armor, you can clean the dead crew out with a hose.

[@remydaitch9815]

Funny thing is much of the footage shows tanks without cages knocked out. Would love to see footage of caged tanks knocked out. Lots of heavily edited combat footage hard to draw conclusions.

[@trololoev]

well, maybe if tanks with cajes wasn't knocked out this is means they are worked as intendend.

[@remydaitch9815]

@@trololoev Thank you Master of the Oblivious. Didn't I say that!?!?!?!?!?!

[@ecurb10]

Um, I think there's too many 0s or something in those armour thicknesses. - 1 meter thick???

[@JuckFoeBurden]

Makes the Rushky's feel better just before going to HELL!

[@Zolwiol]

I really think we're seeing the Dusk of a tank as a main battle weapon and into the support role.

[@xsystem1]

Javelin is the best and most effective but they say that it is disposable, one shot one kill only but the nlaw can be used multiple times. Is it true?

[@pavel9652]

No, they are both single-use. NLAW is a simpler and a chapter unit and the Javelin has a detachable control unit, so you replace the only tube with a missile. I have seen some Ukrainians removing optics from NLAW after use, though. So they probably recycle some of the valuable components.

[@xsystem1]

@@pavel9652 thanks for the clarification much appreciated

[@ravenmoon5111]

The cage is a joke: it might as well be an umbrella ☔️

[@hihi9674]

great video!! I have always wondered about those cages on top of the tanks. Subscribed!

[@joshuamoore24_7]

What about against Sand bags, ERA, aps, it flares?

[@spitfire8790]

ERA forks but sand bags doesn't

[@Aeronaut1975]

They may as well use cocktail umbrellas.

[@willisdaddy6100]

Might that cage be to catch the turret?

[@tomaschovan3675]

So let's say it... Those bars are good for barbecue. ☠️

[@sanfayyaad]

The infamous cope cage

[@eane7238]

HuRr DuRr cOpE CaGe🤓

[@jjcoola998]

The cope cage is just the funniest shit I’ve seen so far tank meme wise in this conflict. Don’t mind the neck beard above

[@413.]

@@jjcoola998 i saw a meme where someone put a trampoline on a Russian tank and showed how a missile would bounce off of it... Hilarious 😭😭😭😭

[@graveperil2169]

all its doing is putting more wear and tear on the gearbox leading to more disabled tanks

[@slavarodu5062]

Looks like everyone here completely misses the point of cage armour. Its made to stop RPGs and other smaller munitions which does not include javelins. Thats because russians got a bloody nose in the chechen wars where chechens fired RPGs down the rooftops and since ukrainian army is equiped mostly with russian and soviet stuff they falsely thought that ukrainians will greet them with RPGs. Javelins were a BIG suprise for them.

[@phishy261]

The turret cages did not appear on their tanks in Ukraine until like two weeks into the invasion. xD Long after the whole world knew about thousands upon thousands of NLAWs and Javelins. Soo.. No.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Nasty and effective weapons. Also Panzerfaust 3 and other anti amour systems are in the mix.

[@cesaravegah3787]

Being an internet troll with no real military experience but able to read the estimated russian looses Idare to say that those makeshift defenses are not working that great. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@Dr.Kananga]

How does the NLAW work? Does it explode atop the tank to concuss crew?

[@biddyboy1570]

It penetrates the armour with a bolt of molten metal. You can imagine that's not a good day for the crew inside.

[@herbertkeithmiller]

The way cage armor operates is not to explode a shaped charge but to deform the charge or short out the electrical current used to initiate it from the nose tip fuse. This causes the explosive to fail. What seems to be the purpose of the cage armor on the top of the tank is to keep RPG 7s from being fired at the top of tanks from buildings. The possibility is that it was installed with the Russians expecting to invade cities like Ukraine and fighters shooting down on them from the upper stories of buildings. It also is useful in defeating improvised explosives such as anti-armor grenades which have a smaller explosive from being dropped on to the week upper armor of the tanks. The ukrainians have a large number of these anti-armor explosives. The cage armor is ineffective against the javelin which isn't a shape charge but a forced formed penetrator. The explosion occurs well above the slat armor and the penetrator passes between or through it.

[@getsideways7257]

More like it disrupts the forming of a proper shaped-charge jet. And surely, you meant "countries like Ukraine", not "cities like Ukraine"? Or maybe cities *in* Ukraine...

[@getsideways7257]

And no, as far as I remember, NLAW uses EFP, not Javelin. Javelin has a typical tandem HEAT warhead without EFP.

[@SUNDREDSTAR]

These shopping trolleys they've duct taped on their tanks is no doubt the bleeding edge of Russian technology and ingenuity.

[@sumitd500]

You wish

[@alexanderr5682]

Ukrainians call the cage - brazier or barbecue grill

[@wargame2play]

It’s there to “ improve “ the morale of the crew… doesn’t do a thing to protect them….

[@EngineerReact]

500k, Thanks for watching :) check out my other videos also!

[@BeardofBeesPool]

3:14 that's just awesome

[@joselimjoco3367]

Putin's tanks are sitting ducks for the Javelins and at the rate they are getting destroyed, getting them replaced will be a difficult task for Putin's war machine.

[@BlackPrimeMinister]

There's a high sense of delusion amongst Kremlin-haters, about the true power of the Russian war machine. If they wanted to conduct a Shock & Awe campaign, they could wipe out the Ukrainian Army overnight, but also every civilian in the country. They are holding back. Don't be daft.

[@thedudeabides2531]

@@BlackPrimeMinister If they get really pathetic and use nukes, sure. But their military is absolute crap. If they use nukes, they risk wwIII.

[@BlackPrimeMinister]

@@thedudeabides2531 When was the last time the Americans fought anybody with a pulse? You have no idea what the Russians are capable of.

[@MikeBrown-go1pc]

Yeah, they only have 10,000 tanks laying around for parts and/or ready to be refurbished and upgraded. I'm sure it will be nearly impossible!

[@MikeBrown-go1pc]

@@BlackPrimeMinister Are you saying the Taliban didn't have a fighting pulse? The Russians sure thought they did.

[@danemyburgh]

Imagine being inside the tank and then you see a NLAW fired at you from a distance... Evacuate now! Go go go!

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Already too late. Just hope it was made on a Friday and doesn't work.

[@chrisward4576]

If you see it, it's already too late🤣🤣🤣

[@vk3dgn]

When a warhead penetrates to the inside of a tank it ricochets around mincing up any sort of flesh. Not the place for me.

[@mattjaxdad8693]

Is there any footage from inside the tanks? Someone throw a GoPro, vacuum gauge, thermometer in there.

[@petraral8868]

Closest i could find kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHrGdWCrd5qUqKM&ab_channel=PetraRal

[@archibald4222]

sides of a T-80/T-72/T-90 are not 400mm they are like 80-100mm thick

[@j.i1503]

Hy bro, which instrumental or music did you use that's in the video? I really like the sound.

[@GboiGabe]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKfEn2mZrph4oJY

[@ChrisRedfield--]

I have not seen a single picture of an top down attacked Russian tank cage.

[@chriswalker7555]

Thanks for collecting those films. I've now got a better idea of how those missiles fly :)

[@KekusMagnus]

The cope cage isn't designed to protect against either of these, it's meant for RPG-7s fired from rooftops, which Russian tanks greatly struggled with in the past. The single shaped charge of the NLAW will have its penetration greatly reduced if it hits the cage since it will act as space armour, but probably not enough to stop it from penetrating the thin roof armor. Javelins on the other hand will fuck up any tank, the explosion alone is enough to blow the roof off, and it has a tandem charge on top of that

[@someboi4535]

It was mainly inspired by drone attacks in the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan

[@MrAnders9000]

Is the commentator having a stroke?

[@jamesfox4261]

May I say it? MBT for now is past it’s time. It may come back, but for now it is too expensive and to easily knocked out with man portable weapons.

[@MikeBrown-go1pc]

Couple things. 1. I'M betting tanks can shoot a lot farther than these weapons. 2. What better way do you have to move a 120mm gun around a battle field? I'll take the army with tanks, you take the one with no tanks. I'm going to have drones and recon look at this route with a fine tooth comb and they will see your rocket men sitting in the ditch. I would send some kind of "pre-force." Once you rocket men were located or engaged, I would have the tanks move to a range where they could hit your rocket men, but they couldn't hit the tanks. Certainly wOuld be no blitzkrieg, but that invasion tactic has to get old sometime.

[@jamesfox4261]

@@MikeBrown-go1pc I agree with most of what your saying. With that in mind, right now the rocket men are wining and main battle tanks are ineffective. In some environments they are still valuable. That being said, a grunt is safer than an CVC in this fight it seems.

[@chrissmith7669]

Slat or cage armor is very different than some angle iron haphazardly stuck on top

[@gamer-yc6zd]

us troops been using this since mid to late 2000 in humvee's sides the rpg will detonate or disintegrate on the grill and cannot penetrate the thin armor

[@Minedeployder]

I like how everyone complains about nlaw and javelin, but it is not weapon used by Ukraine. Whics rockets post soviet country has in actual use? Lots of rpgs or couple of nlaws?

[@MaticTheProto]

Sorry but the side and rear armor aren’t anywhere near as thick as you claim at 0:38

[@EngineerReact]

Hi Matic. The numbers given are not the actual thickness of the protection but the equivalent protection of reactive armor, composite material and angled protection to add up to X mm of armored steel.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@EngineerReact ah I see, my bad

[@charliem5332]

Is it possible for anyone inside the tank to survive any of these hits?

[@pavel9652]

I would say no, as a rule of the thumb. It might be possible in some cases, when missile hits engine compartment, etc. Lots of tanks exploded completely, because of the ammo ignited inside.

[@someboi4535]

This is the problem with allowing ignorant kids to say whatever they want on the internet Who told you that the cage was even supposed to protect against Javelin and NLAW systems? It was mainly designed to stop drone attacks and RPGs coming from above and mortar fire

[@andyf4292]

i wonder if this is the end of the MBT?

[@KarlNapp429]

Armor with 1 meter thickness in the front???

[@RogerOnTheRight]

Given the improvised nature of many cages, it seems impossible to assert the failure of such cages, since they cannot all be test. There are probably knowable limits to protection, based on structure and materials, but this is not discussed. Also, no real mention of the primary charge and its purpose. My understanding is it is to pre-detonate reactive armour, such that the main, shaped charge can penetrate the target after the reactive armour is expended. I wonder how effective this primary charge is against cages, given its purpose being to merely detonate reactive armour.

[@sierraecho884]

The cage is for older RPG´s and Mortar to apox. 100mm

[@AlleNamenSindWeg]

You should check your terminology. They are called cope cages.

[@citizenVader]

There is only 1 cage.. Nick Cage...

[@Liofa73]

Javelins don't fly in a straight path... They fly up and then come down on top of the tank.

[@EngineerReact]

Hi Liofa. Javelin can shot i 2 different modes. Top attack (against main battle tanks) and direct attack (less armored targets). What you have seen is top attack where the missile fly +100m up and then drop down but it can also shot a more straight path. This missile still shot up 20-60m but hits the side of the targets.

[@nigelmansfield3011]

Tanks seem to be redundant now unless a new kind of armour is invented.

[@davidm.4670]

Proper use = mutual support with infantry = either alone poor vs other.

[@grahamy3400]

Who would be a tankie?