Tara TM-9: What a Tangled Web of Intrigue for a Crappy Gun

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10 ай бұрын

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Tara Aerospace is an arms factory in Montenegro that was privatized around 2013 or 2014, and a major stake in it was purchased by one Heinrich Thomet (formerly of Brugger & Thomet, and then the basis for a character in "War Dogs"). The first firearm the new Tara produced was the TM-9, and it was not very good.
The basic design concept is fine - it's a modern style of service pistol; polymer-framed, striker-fired, and chambered for 9x19mm. It has interchangeable grip backstraps and a rail for a light (no optics cut; it was too early for that). Where it differs most obviously from other options is the use of a true double-action-only trigger. The striker is fully forward at rest, and the trigger pull is responsible for fully cocking and then releasing it. This makes for a very long and heavy trigger, but it also simplifies the trigger mechanics and obviates the need for a manual or trigger safety.
The first production of TM-9 pistols was not of particularly good quality, but the factory needed money and so a batch was sold to a European distributor. They were not intended to end up in the US, but did end up purchased by Century, who brought them into the country and then discovered that they basically didn't run reliably. Slides not going fully into battery was a major issue in particular. While trying to figure out how to deal with this, Century secured a deal to sell them all to Gander Outdoors, which planned to have them all overhauled by America's Gunsmith Shop. Before that was completed, though, Gander decided to just abandon gun sales entirely and sold the guns back to Century as a loss.
Some began to get out onto the market, and American buyers were pretty annoyed at the reliability problems (not that you would know it form the generally-positive reviews in the gun press at the time). Having never intended the guns to get to the US, Tara's answer was to declare that the early production guns were actually only intended for use with "rubber bullets" and were never supposed to be sold as live guns at all (the notice is on their web site, which I cannot link to because of KZbin rules). The gun in this video is specifically listed in their warning by serial number, by the way.
Eventually, Century sold the remaining TM-9s to Centerfire Systems, who is now blowing them out pretty cheaply, with full visibility of this backstory (for the record, I acquired this one before the sale to Centerfire). Tara, meanwhile, is trying to sell their newer and presumably better model to Century, who so far refuses to buy any until the "rubber bullet" warning nonsense is removed form Tara's web site.
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@jonathanbohm6489
@jonathanbohm6489 10 ай бұрын
They nailed the “Generic Pistol from Video Game” aesthetic
@rob6850
@rob6850 10 ай бұрын
Right! I keep looking at it and thinking hmm kinda looks like an XD... or a Glock... with a little CZ in the mix maybe. You nailed it with your summation.
@george2113
@george2113 10 ай бұрын
Hell this is the new pistol for Baldwin. Only simunition ammo is allowed on set and everyone else has Glocks(also with simunition) if the scene is unacceptable or Baldwin does something unsafe he is shot ten times in the nuggets!
@krissteel4074
@krissteel4074 10 ай бұрын
@@rob6850 Finest Eurpopean Glzak polymer 9mm for all your problem solved!
@atomic_wait
@atomic_wait 10 ай бұрын
Where the gun is just named '9mm' or 'Pistol'
@DrSabot-A
@DrSabot-A 10 ай бұрын
Perfect for aspiring Unity game developers to download for free and rename it "9mm Pistol 1"
@harrowedone974
@harrowedone974 10 ай бұрын
Tara's genius is unparalleled: they have invented the semi-bolt action
@killazaawl
@killazaawl 10 ай бұрын
please don't give them ideas
@mcjim256
@mcjim256 10 ай бұрын
It’s a feature, not a defect!
@metamorphicorder
@metamorphicorder 10 ай бұрын
Full semi-bolt action.
@NineSun001
@NineSun001 10 ай бұрын
No it's a tripple-action trigger. It is a new saftey feature!
@ki3657
@ki3657 10 ай бұрын
This cracked me up 😂 thank you for brightening my day!
@vennijesperi
@vennijesperi 10 ай бұрын
You know it's good when the trigger design has more in common with a staple gun than most modern firearms.
@emu314159
@emu314159 7 ай бұрын
"You just got stapled!" That storied catchphrase we all remember from yore;)
@Eduardo_Espinoza
@Eduardo_Espinoza 5 ай бұрын
nailed it :)
@nfsm654
@nfsm654 9 ай бұрын
This is actually a perfect "baby's first 9mm handgun" type of firearm. It teaches you to be vigilant, to check the gun is in battery before firing. It improves trigger finger strength with a long, stiff trigger. It helps improve accuracy as you learn to overcome the trigger without impacting your aim. And it helps teach you how to clear malfunctions without immediate danger like a regularly reliable firearm where those situations are unexpected. It really is perfect in every way.
@thalesofmiletus6162
@thalesofmiletus6162 7 ай бұрын
Found the Elbonian
@grabnar4015
@grabnar4015 6 ай бұрын
Today's lesson: how not to shoot yourself
@RichKunckel-bx5yj
@RichKunckel-bx5yj 6 ай бұрын
@nfsm654 you’d make a phenomenal sales rep for this dumpster fire of a handgun! I got a good chuckle out of your comment. Tara should’ve marketed this as a malfunction training pistol.
@tealiatech
@tealiatech 10 ай бұрын
This handgun looks like every single "legally distinct to avoid copyright issues" glock-esque pistol you see in alot of videogames.
@aaron4820
@aaron4820 10 ай бұрын
Video games have way more accurate Glock models :D
@BarackLesnar
@BarackLesnar 10 ай бұрын
perfection
@nickgadsen4029
@nickgadsen4029 10 ай бұрын
Literally the 9mm pistol.
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 10 ай бұрын
If Century Arms is smart, they strike a deal with Activision to put the Tara in Call of Duty as an OP gun.
@rks9612
@rks9612 10 ай бұрын
​@@KapiteinKrentebolCould make it some reward gun on 1st April!
@blshouse
@blshouse 10 ай бұрын
Not only is it unreliable, but it also throws the brass back into the shooter's face! LOL I sense an Elbonian defense contract!
@henryturnerjr3857
@henryturnerjr3857 10 ай бұрын
It should have a warning stamped on it. "Do not fire while wearing a V-neck!"
@peka2478
@peka2478 10 ай бұрын
@@henryturnerjr3857 especially if you happen to be female! xD (are those shells hot? could they actually burn you? ^^)
@martinswiney2192
@martinswiney2192 10 ай бұрын
Also it has no trigger dingus. 😂
@TheCoyote808
@TheCoyote808 10 ай бұрын
​@@peka2478Very much so. Lady friend of mine has a brass burn scar in a very awkward place because of hot brass getting down the front of her shirt.
@MyILoveMinecraft
@MyILoveMinecraft 10 ай бұрын
@@peka2478 yeah my ex gf had a big ass scar between her tits, flew in there from the guy next to her, I think it was a 308 case
@ChrisB-qe5xq
@ChrisB-qe5xq 9 ай бұрын
Fun fact, some of these made it to Canada for sale. And if you squeeze the grip too hard you can induce the failure to feed malfunction.
@stevepalpatine2828
@stevepalpatine2828 9 ай бұрын
You can induce a failure by... squeezing the grip. Well thats new at least. Never heard that one before.
@cougar2k720
@cougar2k720 8 ай бұрын
Was that during the imminent handgun transfer ban?
@RRVCrinale
@RRVCrinale 8 ай бұрын
It's a reverse grip safety. Revolutionary.
@stevepalpatine2828
@stevepalpatine2828 7 ай бұрын
@RRVCrinale One of the safest guns on the market. Zero chance of negligent discharge when it's hard enough to get it to work when you want it to. I'm amazed these never took off. I suppose if it's heavy enough you can throw it at the attackers head.
@aaronkong8393
@aaronkong8393 7 ай бұрын
@@cougar2k720not during, I remember Marstar had these for sale years ago
@classicrocker13able
@classicrocker13able 10 ай бұрын
No joke, I used to work at Gander Outdoors in the gun department. I remember getting in a huge shipment of these pistols in one day, and all of us gun employees were confused and thought they all looked like shit. Can’t remember anyone actually buying one either 😂
@pegcity4eva
@pegcity4eva 7 ай бұрын
Hahaha nice
@deathpyre42
@deathpyre42 10 ай бұрын
It is very forward thinking and innovative of them to design a gun specifically for the government buyback market.
@AnimeFanatic5602
@AnimeFanatic5602 10 ай бұрын
Depending on how much they offer, you might actually be able to come out ahead.
@hectorgonzalez8246
@hectorgonzalez8246 10 ай бұрын
You could get a really nice pair of Nikes for trade
@Lavthefox
@Lavthefox 10 ай бұрын
Get a few of these at a pawn shop and then go be the first guys in line for the big rewards: those $200 grocery or gas cards etc. Then when the guns re-enter the market (as buybacks often do) go and buy it again at an even lower price and rush back to the front of the line. Gotta play the long game, your first run may seem like a lot of time for little profit, but by the 3rd or 4th buyback you're making serious profit
@kangarumpy
@kangarumpy 10 ай бұрын
GB-22 is this concept but real
@deathpyre42
@deathpyre42 10 ай бұрын
@@kangarumpy Yes but that's made by someone competent, and therefore not nearly as funny.
@HellbirdIV
@HellbirdIV 10 ай бұрын
It's called the 'Perfection' because you only get one shot before it jams, so it demands you're perfect on your first shot. It's only for ~true~ marksmen!
@jontee3437
@jontee3437 10 ай бұрын
It is essentially the modern gentleman's dueling pistol. Just slightly faster reloading times
@CircaSriYak
@CircaSriYak 10 ай бұрын
Should have switched the letters around from "TM-9" to "WT-9" and say it stands for William Tell.
@actionjksn
@actionjksn 10 ай бұрын
You just have to attain perfection at reaching up with your left hand and smacking the back of the slide to put it in battery for the next shot.
@colonthree
@colonthree 10 ай бұрын
That's something Liara would say. ;w;
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 10 ай бұрын
"Perfection" worked for Glock, so why not.??!! 🤣
@mattalex543
@mattalex543 10 ай бұрын
So, while Gander was in possession of some of these pistols I worked behind the gun counter at one of their stores. We had dozens of these pistols, but nobody would buy them. At the time I knew nothing about them, but recognized just how crude they were compared to most modern pistols. It was my job to sell guns, and that I did. However, if a gun was garbage (like a lot of what Gander was selling) I would absolutely steer people away from it. I could not in good conscience sell someone a device they may need to save their life or another’s that is likely sub par. I am really glad this video exists to explain the backstory of these pistols, and the confirmation that they are in fact hot garbage. Side note here: These pistols were not the only questionable firearms Gander came into possession of. They bought tons of firearms in lots, some of them looked like they came directly out of evidence lockers. Things like non function Saturday night specials and such. However, there were a lot of new firearms sold as “used”. What I think happened was a distributor was liquidating and sold all their inventory to Gander, but it couldn’t be resold as new so it was sold at a steep discount. This was also around the time Remington shut down production temporarily when it went under, and tons of Remingtons were sold through us this way as well.
@PremeTeamTX
@PremeTeamTX 10 ай бұрын
"Have you heard of our "protection plan" for a cool, additional $30 and would you like a $30 box of hollow points?? Also lemme have your broke ass apply for our credit card at 200% apr" I did the same, trying to steer people towards a better weapon, while trying to keep within their means. The metrics driven bullshit was maddening.
@tolarpowell5069
@tolarpowell5069 10 ай бұрын
I have to admit I was tempted to buy one for a toy. I have dependable weapons for safety. I'm glad I didn't; even toys should work better.
@EvanDickersonM81
@EvanDickersonM81 10 ай бұрын
I picked up a usp 45 and cz 83 for absolute steals from gander. Wish they got back into gun sales.
@tolarpowell5069
@tolarpowell5069 10 ай бұрын
@@EvanDickersonM81 I think they're extinct. Gone completely, at least brick & mortar.
@reallydawg5987
@reallydawg5987 10 ай бұрын
Gotta question kimber or colt 1911?
@tylerm336
@tylerm336 10 ай бұрын
As someone involved in the gun industry this is the most gun industry story I've heard in my life 🤣
@zivkovicable
@zivkovicable 7 ай бұрын
As a Montenegrin, this is the most Montenegrin story i've heard in my life.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 10 ай бұрын
Quite impressive they made a pistol that, totally clean, performs about as well as most guns after a McCollum mud test
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 10 ай бұрын
....and has that innovative "barrel reset".....
@coaxill4059
@coaxill4059 10 ай бұрын
A must test sounds interesting. Much more devastating than those dust tests, you've added grape hulls sugar and water to the mix. That wouldn't just make your gun jam, it'd make jam!
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 10 ай бұрын
@@coaxill4059 ha! I’ve corrected the spelling, thank you :)
@nucleargrizzly1776
@nucleargrizzly1776 10 ай бұрын
...or like a brand new Kimber. 😁
@Mario_bland
@Mario_bland 10 ай бұрын
Imagine if the mud magically made it better
@marcoocram46
@marcoocram46 10 ай бұрын
I'm from Montenegro, we seem to have made this for weddings and celebrations to shoot at the sky and miss everything 😂😜 🇲🇪🇲🇪🇲🇪
@MadMax-lr6hf
@MadMax-lr6hf 10 ай бұрын
Ovo je katastrofa nisam znao da je ovako loše ipak držati se tetejca najbolje
@Ukraineaissance2014
@Ukraineaissance2014 10 ай бұрын
The UN had to intervene a few years ago because too many people were shooting guns into the air at bosnian weddings and football games (definitely the most effective intervention they ever did there)
@classifiedad1
@classifiedad1 10 ай бұрын
Does that include accidentally shooting down wandering airplanes?
@itsthed5951
@itsthed5951 10 ай бұрын
“Only time I lick in the air is new year’s eve” hvala
@ConnorMainwold
@ConnorMainwold 2 ай бұрын
Lol
@Mag_Aoidh
@Mag_Aoidh 10 ай бұрын
That trigger pull was like every dream I’ve ever had trying to pull a trigger, FOREVER!!!!
@tommyhosler6058
@tommyhosler6058 10 ай бұрын
im so glad im not alone with that stupid dream
@homer-wn5cu
@homer-wn5cu 7 ай бұрын
Mines a variation of the dream where I'm to weak to pull it. But regardless I'm not alone!
@johnpata4114
@johnpata4114 5 ай бұрын
@@homer-wn5cu my dream involves a self-defense situation with my Glock 23 where I pulled the trigger and it moves but it never drops the Sear no matter how hard I pull it I have put well over a thousand rounds through this gun and other than a weak grip failure to eject the tool has performed flawlessly. I've had this dream on a few occasions and it rattles me every time. The commonality of this dream among shooters is kind of spooky
@TiocfaidhArLa34
@TiocfaidhArLa34 5 ай бұрын
i always get dreams where i fall down and literally am incapable of standing up while shit is happening all around me like I'm in one of those old people alert necklace ads. i hate it.
@ThePotentialFailure
@ThePotentialFailure 4 ай бұрын
Not you too!
@VMEMotor5
@VMEMotor5 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Ian. I work the gun counter at a big box retailer. We recently acquired another, smaller big box retailer. Corporate redistributed the guns that were in stock at the new stores. I ended up with one of these in inventory. Knowing nothing about them, I didn't know what to tell customers. Well now I do.
@DecentFarts
@DecentFarts 5 ай бұрын
"It is story time"
@palmabolp
@palmabolp 10 ай бұрын
As someone who is from Montenegro, I can't say that I'm suprised that a gun from my country is shit Edit: Not saying that Montenegro is shit, it definetly isn't perfect, but there are a lot of good things about it, the food, the nature, the people and so on. It's just that it doesn't have a lot of proper industry now (it did have good industry but when Yugoslavia fell apart so did 90% of the industry), just not a lot of factories that could make truly good stuff worth exporting other than food and alcohol. It's mostly relying on tourism rather than actual production and export.
@Kevin80237
@Kevin80237 10 ай бұрын
Same
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 10 ай бұрын
Oof
@funestis
@funestis 10 ай бұрын
@@prfwrx2497 yes!?
@BlackHaloO
@BlackHaloO 10 ай бұрын
@@edgarburlyman738 the name is literally italian, so it cant get much more european for non-europeans I guess
@skunclep1938
@skunclep1938 10 ай бұрын
@@edgarburlyman738you are an uneducated person. Work on your education first, then we can work on your (many, many) other problems.
@Tuchajbejasyn
@Tuchajbejasyn 10 ай бұрын
Impressive how they manage to make a toy pistol capable of firing real bullets. 10/10.
@abs_nobody
@abs_nobody 10 ай бұрын
incredibly cheap due to quality problems, amplified on proper precision shooting, shoots better if you shoot it badly? it's almost as if it's made just to arm gangs
@leovang3425
@leovang3425 10 ай бұрын
sad part is that you can buy airsoft guns with better quality.
@iambiggus
@iambiggus 10 ай бұрын
You mean, firing real bullet...?
@THESLlCK
@THESLlCK 10 ай бұрын
whoahhhhhhh you might be on to somethin@@abs_nobody
@RandomSubs94
@RandomSubs94 10 ай бұрын
Argentina accidentaly made this a reality. We had a "toy gun" called Matagatos TKO, it's a single shot open bolt pistol that was used to shoot 6mm cartridges that didn't contain gunpowder, extremely weak and with, quote, "difficulty to even go through cardboard". BUT, if you get your hands on a .22 bullet, short or long, the thing is completely able to fire it, although you'd need to be very careful and lucky to don't get hurt while doing that.
@55Bentley6
@55Bentley6 10 ай бұрын
How refreshing to see someone review a pistol (or any firearm) and declare it "crappy". Way too often other reviewers, video and print, will declare any piece of plastic and pot metal shooter as 'good for home defense' or 'fine concealed carry' or 'nice camp gun' .... when in fact they are often unreliable, inaccurate and just plain dangerous crap. Thanks for your honesty
@55Bentley6
@55Bentley6 9 ай бұрын
@@justforever96 Yep
@anotheryoutubeaccount5259
@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, let's just call things crap. Crap this, crap that... Is that the extent of your vocabulary and nuance?
@oasntet
@oasntet 5 ай бұрын
Almost like a lot of reviewers are getting products for free and/or getting paid by the company... It's even worse in industries where affiliate links are a thing; reviewers compromise themselves without the company even needing to get involved.
@PremeTeamTX
@PremeTeamTX 10 ай бұрын
The Gander Mtn bit is pure coincidence. They went under due to expanding too fast and the ridiculous price points compared to other retailers.
@kerreckt
@kerreckt 10 ай бұрын
I have one of these. Bought it about three years ago for $219 with two magazines. I discovered that changing the magazine springs to springs from an M&P solved the feed problems. The magazine now hold 16 instead of 17 but the pistol is more reliable. This is a hobby piece for me to see if I can make it work better. Best wishes.
@TheTimoprimo
@TheTimoprimo 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if you can upload a video of that.
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 10 ай бұрын
What Ian got is what I expected to find when I bought an unheard of HS2000 9mm on Gunbroker for $247.50 in 2000 A.D. What I got instead was a very nicely crafted pistol that has shot thousands of rounds since then. Going on year 23 and its still my favorite 9mm out of dozens. I do not get attached to polymer guns but HS2000 is the one exception. For those who don't know the HS2000 became the Springfield Inc model XD/XD9.
@SnoopReddogg
@SnoopReddogg 10 ай бұрын
Everyone needs a hobby!
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 10 ай бұрын
I had wondered if a spring job might help it out.
@diegoferreiro9478
@diegoferreiro9478 10 ай бұрын
and best luck!
@anttitheinternetguy3213
@anttitheinternetguy3213 10 ай бұрын
I love how they ended up making a single action pistol with double action trigger.
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp 10 ай бұрын
It’s semi-semi-automatic
@anttitheinternetguy3213
@anttitheinternetguy3213 10 ай бұрын
@@Matt-xc6sp i was refering To The fact Ian had to push The action forward almost half The shots he took, because it didn't quite go into battery every now And then
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp 10 ай бұрын
@@anttitheinternetguy3213 I know. I was saying it’s semi automatic only semi of the time.
@anttitheinternetguy3213
@anttitheinternetguy3213 10 ай бұрын
@@Matt-xc6sp ohhh sorry now i saw The double semi haha, My mistake
@nylonsheep6520
@nylonsheep6520 10 ай бұрын
10 MONTENEGRIN COMMANDMENTS 1. Man is born tired and lives to get a rest. 2. Love thy bed as you love thyself. 3. Rest during the day, so you can sleep at night. 4. Do not work - work kills. 5. If you see someone resting, help him out. 6. Work as little as you can, and convey all the work you can to another. 7. In shade is salvation - nobody died from resting 8. Work earns illness - do not pass away young. 9. If you have an urge to work, sit down, wait and you'll see it will pass. 10. When you see people eat and drink - approach them, when you see them work - withdraw yourself not to trouble them.
@Squilliam-Fancyson
@Squilliam-Fancyson 10 ай бұрын
Is it a forgotten weapon or rather a weapon to forget?
@eagleeye5520
@eagleeye5520 5 ай бұрын
Both
@dndboy13
@dndboy13 10 ай бұрын
man, i think i love the convoluted stories behind awful guns the most
@VikingcustomLeather
@VikingcustomLeather 10 ай бұрын
The zip 22 was one of my favorites!
@john-paulsilke893
@john-paulsilke893 10 ай бұрын
Chinese warlord pistols have entered the chat.
@somebloke4194
@somebloke4194 9 ай бұрын
Good, normal guns are super boring.
@dongilleo9743
@dongilleo9743 9 ай бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only person fascinated by FORGOTTEN WEAPONS videos about an obscure, lousy gun that I never knew existed, never heard of, and have never seen.
@fimmywa
@fimmywa 10 ай бұрын
A remarkably hidden and underappreciated feature of the Tara TM-9 is that it sounds exactly like the desert eagle from GTA San Andreas and that makes me feel like a big man.
@allengordon6929
@allengordon6929 10 ай бұрын
I think the montenegrins like that the most.
@brianwingo6472
@brianwingo6472 10 ай бұрын
As mentioned below, it would be interesting to give this pistol to professional gunsmith to see what it would take to make it function properly. If all it would take were things like lubrication, stronger springs, or a small amount if fitting it still might be decent gun.
@alandaters8547
@alandaters8547 10 ай бұрын
I was wondering the same. The trigger pull issue would remain, but the misfire problem might be reasily fixed.
@JamesJones-pi6lv
@JamesJones-pi6lv 4 ай бұрын
That's what I'm thinking also, put heavier springs in it
@davidclark5155
@davidclark5155 4 ай бұрын
I put heavier recoil spring in mine and it didn’t help. Also polished the rails but no improvement
@busboy262
@busboy262 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for that brief rundown on the Heinrich Thomet background. I really found that interesting having seen the movie at least 2x. I bought a Canik pistol from when Century had first introduced Canik to the US market. I think that I still have it. It is a duty-size striker fired pistol. It was unique in that it had a de-cocker. It would be a double action on the 1st pull and operate at partial for subsequent rounds. It acted like some hammer fired models from a variety of manufacturers. I kinda liked this. It was a novelty to me at the time and I think that action can be attractive to some for safety. Edit: It also must be said that the sights on this pistol made stock glock sights look like jewelry.
@suramericano
@suramericano 10 ай бұрын
Even when Canada was on the verge of banning handguns, these pieces of crap were not getting bought.😂
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 10 ай бұрын
..but...but...but..."perfection".....actually I was just thinking....such perfection that I am shocked that my current Canadian government did not procure these to replace their HI-Powers....they are after all highly concerned about our soldiers safety.....so much so that on the edge of the current Ukraine conflict they have to scrounge helmets and belletproof vests from whomever will help out.
@brentfellers9632
@brentfellers9632 10 ай бұрын
I saw these for sale cheap .glad I didn't bite!
@mjbranch2109
@mjbranch2109 10 ай бұрын
Now getting a hold of one of these is gold simply because it’s a firearm
@sexyshadowcat7
@sexyshadowcat7 10 ай бұрын
@@radarradarovic2076 some types of armor are designed to crack or shatter. It dissipates the energy. A clean hole through would be worse, as that would mean the projectile completely penetrated the armor.
@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074
@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074 10 ай бұрын
@@troy3456789An additional $400 would buy a firearm that’s functional out of the box.
@joelmcfarland5153
@joelmcfarland5153 10 ай бұрын
“Century Arm’s gunsmiths took them to the range to see how they performed.” The word “gunsmiths” is doing a lot of work there Ian 😂
@tombogan03884
@tombogan03884 10 ай бұрын
"To see how they performed" Not to fix them, just for the laughs. LOL
@possumpatrol45
@possumpatrol45 10 ай бұрын
(Century Arms job interview) -Do you own a Dremel? Congratulations, you're hired!
@mulgerbill
@mulgerbill 10 ай бұрын
That would be Jim, Bobby and Jacob, the Smith brothers. "Hey y'all, we're the GunSmiths yer lookin' for"
@henryturnerjr3857
@henryturnerjr3857 10 ай бұрын
Here, figure out what's wrong with them using 3 rounds or less.
@009013M3
@009013M3 10 ай бұрын
HELP WANTED: Gunsmith. Tired of part-time gig work with mom-and-pop shops that want to pay you peanuts to put offset pins into AR buffers or mount scopes on Wal Mart Savage 110s just to have them sent back because the shooter still can't hit the broad side of a barn? Do you want to actually build guns like that correspondence gunsmithing course promised you? Have you ever wanted to operate a hydraulic press for a reason *other* than squishing clay animals and flattening coins? Century Arms wants to make you the newest member of our staff. Hygiene requirements negotiable. Applicants must have opposable thumbs. Prior experience preferred, will accept having installed CHinese clone Hera Arms stock and foregrip on your airsoft gun. Must be able to grind off the back surface of HK91 locking pieces. Knowing how to weld a plus. Knowing where to weld optional. Higher order primates only please. Orangutans and chimpanzees preferred. No monkeys. Must be able to lift a CETME in the normal course of work. Starting salary - 3 bananas per day.
@wyattr7982
@wyattr7982 10 ай бұрын
The amount of daylight you can see between the slide and the frame in the outdoor shots is nuts
@ivicarod357
@ivicarod357 10 ай бұрын
I have that gun, if you polish the firing-pin safety button (remove the sharp edges on the lever and on the button) it works great. easy fix. (and I'm not a gunsmith, I'm a mechanic who repairs chainsaws )😁
@corrinestenman5683
@corrinestenman5683 6 ай бұрын
I was wondering if there was a DIY fix for this, making it an ok budget gun. And yeah, I just saw this today, it dropped during some especially interesting times for me, and I'm playing catch-up.
@hittinfoe383
@hittinfoe383 6 ай бұрын
Yea seems like a simple fix.. the layout is really simple which makes it really easy to work on it..
@andymac4883
@andymac4883 6 ай бұрын
So is the slide (or some other component that's holding back the slide) getting stuck on the safety button? And releasing the trigger makes the button go down, so the slide is released, or so I'd imagine.
@singlespeedpunk7744
@singlespeedpunk7744 5 ай бұрын
I am a MTB mechanic and was wondering what was hanging up the slide - I wondered if the striker pusher tab (for want of a better description!) was dragging on the striker housing in the slide? Sounds like an easy fix for a cheap pistol to build finger strength 😂
@marcusborderlands6177
@marcusborderlands6177 4 ай бұрын
@@corrinestenman5683 see, you could get one of these and fix it up and still have a generally AWFUL handgun, or you could buy a used taurus g2/g3 that just works. sure they are weird taurus semiautos, but ive seen em for 150 with 2 mags before, and they just run
@2fwelding842
@2fwelding842 10 ай бұрын
Its a safety feature to prevent full auto conversion. Cant slam fire if the slide doesnt close
@calebdean2440
@calebdean2440 10 ай бұрын
Delete that comment now before the ATF sees it and gets some new ideas.
@RageCreati0n
@RageCreati0n 10 ай бұрын
But you CAN have an out of battery discharge, which is a NASTY fuckywucky
@patrickglaser1560
@patrickglaser1560 10 ай бұрын
​@@calebdean2440forcing us to buy from them exclusively
@R2debo_
@R2debo_ 10 ай бұрын
Local gun store is selling them for around $180 and I'm admittedy tempted simply to have something unique to use as an occasional cheap range toy. Checked the serial numbers on the two pistols displayed on the store's website and sure enough, they're on the rubber bullets only list.
@matteusvirtanen392
@matteusvirtanen392 10 ай бұрын
Just ask if you can buy it for like fifty bucks and maybe you could fuck around with it
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 10 ай бұрын
Lmao
@spartanjohn5217
@spartanjohn5217 10 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I'd be tempted to pick one up just to see if I could get it to run.
@PapaSchultz74
@PapaSchultz74 10 ай бұрын
​​@@spartanjohn5217I woud probably polish the metal inserts on the lower and tweak a bit the angle of the triger tab that pushes the striker. (And pilish that to) It will help a lot imo. Good luck anyway 👍🏻
@Sub-If-You-Are-Against-Zionism
@Sub-If-You-Are-Against-Zionism 10 ай бұрын
I've seen a few of these for under 200 and now I know why. I'd rather have a hipoint or a sccy over this trash period lol
@kevintaylor791
@kevintaylor791 10 ай бұрын
So, I was a child, about 9 years old, on family vacation from Canada. We stopped at a Gander Mountain because our next stop was a weekend of camping. We were AMAZED. What a place! Anyway, we get to the gun section and there is this glass case in the center, this bolt action rifle with a gigantic optic on it, rifle and optic all camoed out. It had a sign, big bold letters: "THE ULTIMATE DEER RIFLE" I was asking my dad stuff that he didn't know, an employee came over to help... then the 9 year old pissed him off... I asked how far it could shoot a deer from, he gave some huge number the child could not comprehend. Then came the question "Why do you shoot them from so far? Are you afraid of them?" To his credit, though he looked visibly upset, he took a deep breath and explained that "No, it's because the deer are afraid of people, the farther away I am, the less likely he is to know I'm there"
@VictoriaAlfredSmythe
@VictoriaAlfredSmythe 8 ай бұрын
very funny
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 9 ай бұрын
Cheap, plastic, legendary, reliable...yes, I wasn't talking about the gun. I was talking about Ian's watch - Casio F-91W. It may look cheap and disposable, but it can run for decades with reasonable accuracy on a single battery. Tells time, date and day, also has a 60-min stop watch and an alarm...what else do you need when you're not wearing a suit or getting into serious water?
@robrob9050
@robrob9050 8 ай бұрын
I think I saw somebody in suit with Casio, it was FBI director, no corruption there haha
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 8 ай бұрын
@@robrob9050 Was it at least metallic? haha
@robrob9050
@robrob9050 8 ай бұрын
@@vaclav_fejt No man he had El Cheapo plastic Casio. Edit: yt video Robert Mueller's Watch: The Casio DW-290. Describes it more. 😂
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 8 ай бұрын
@@robrob9050 Hey, it's the Mission: Impossible watch! Not dressy, but very tacticool. (What I had in mind was something like A-158 or A-700; cheap, but elegant)
@LaffinFox
@LaffinFox 10 ай бұрын
I spoke to an employee of Gander Outdoors about them stopping firearm sales. According to what I was told, the payment processing company that handled the companies retail transactions gave them an ultimatum to cease all sales of firearms, as well as shooting and hunting accessories, or they would lose their ability to process transactions. Publicly, it was claimed that their gun sales "weren't bringing in enough money" despite it allegedly being one of their most profitable areas of sales. Could be a good subject for a future video.
@johan13135
@johan13135 10 ай бұрын
Gander Outdoors went into bankruptcy in 2022, so it was more like they had shit economy overall
@victorpapillon1487
@victorpapillon1487 10 ай бұрын
​@@johan13135hows your company doing nigga?
@rjacobherman
@rjacobherman 10 ай бұрын
Gander had alot of issues other than payment processor. They decided they wanted all the gunmakers to house inventory in Gander warehouse and wanted to pay when it sold.
@gaveintothedarkness
@gaveintothedarkness 10 ай бұрын
@@rjacobherman Thats a 50 IQ move right there.
@Joe_Not_A_Fed
@Joe_Not_A_Fed 10 ай бұрын
It's human nature to be fascinated by train wrecks...and that Tara definitely has left the tracks. The brass bonking off your hat, is the pièce de résistance. That sad sack of a gun does everything badly. Perfection. Thanks for sharing.
@FyremaelGlittersparkle
@FyremaelGlittersparkle 10 ай бұрын
The brass oscillating between bonking off/flying over the hat and ejecting anemically between his arms had me laughing.
@dickJohnsonpeter
@dickJohnsonpeter 10 ай бұрын
That reminds me. Any other military/ex military who were left handed have the annoyance of hot brass landing on your arm from the M16-A2?
@vicroc4
@vicroc4 10 ай бұрын
I mean, brass bouncing off your head/arms happens with Glocks as well, so it's not a consequence of it being poorly made. There's no real directing it with this style of open ejection port, unlike something like the 1911 which is designed to spit it out the side.
@federalbeaver
@federalbeaver 10 ай бұрын
I have one of these, and it must be a later model. I bought it for 380 canadian, and before the handgun ban, I ran 500 rounds through it. The only issues I've had are with the mags that are indented to comply with Canadian firearms law. I found the Finnish rough, but over all its been more than adaquate for the price I paid. Thanks for another epic video, Ian.
@johanmetreus1268
@johanmetreus1268 10 ай бұрын
Finnish are rough, but very hospitable.
@jeffrey._.westerby-murphy7268
@jeffrey._.westerby-murphy7268 10 ай бұрын
I drilled a hole in the indentation they created in the magazine and then filed it down smoothly. It still stops it at ten rounds but it allows the spring to run over it freely.
@federalbeaver
@federalbeaver 10 ай бұрын
@@jeffrey._.westerby-murphy7268 nicely done!
@BCGCPracticalShooter
@BCGCPracticalShooter 10 ай бұрын
Elbonia was my first thought! Bevel the striker block and polish up the striker block hump on the trigger bar and that may solve the problem if it still releases the striker. Maybe a healthy dunking in oil to slick everything up too.
@disband_thebbc5933
@disband_thebbc5933 10 ай бұрын
It's like what you'd expect to receive if you ordered a Glock from Wish.
@theguy9208
@theguy9208 10 ай бұрын
To me its more of an alibaba m&p40 lol
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 10 ай бұрын
That's a good one!! Or TEMU. 🤣
@kmech3rd
@kmech3rd 10 ай бұрын
Golck 9ww... like a Chinese Wauser C96.
@SlipdeGarcondeJour
@SlipdeGarcondeJour 10 ай бұрын
A 'Grock'?
@Sanix900
@Sanix900 10 ай бұрын
Tara “Perfection”
@darkonojic7494
@darkonojic7494 10 ай бұрын
First round jam. 😂
@PobortzaPl
@PobortzaPl 10 ай бұрын
This begs to be made into Magneto meme format: I want a cheap gun Perfection
@frankmac1
@frankmac1 10 ай бұрын
I bought one for less than 200 doll hairs. It came and was absolutely stellar. I had 1 mag that had a last round FTF. The other mag ran fine. I stretched the mag spring and both mags run great now. I probably only have 50 rounds through it but zero issues after fixing the mag spring. For what I paid for it, its a stellar deal.
@dchil15
@dchil15 10 ай бұрын
Proof that "it works for me" is not an indication of quality.
@Booruvcheek
@Booruvcheek 8 ай бұрын
200 doll hairs? LOL, that auto correction is a riot!
@tafino
@tafino 10 ай бұрын
Mine came in a plastic case vs the zipper pouch I’ve seen most places. Fortunately it hasn’t had the issues I’ve seen elsewhere, though I do think somewhere an angle is off because the last bit of travel isn’t fluid. I like it for what it is - a curio.
@ChokeberryTea
@ChokeberryTea 10 ай бұрын
8:36 You know just how convoluted the story is when Ian himself is having problems remembers who's who mid presentation.
@andrewpiegzik4121
@andrewpiegzik4121 10 ай бұрын
"You would have to drop this from space to get enough inertia for this to go off hitting the back" Sig would pay dearly for to know how this could be.
@jontee3437
@jontee3437 10 ай бұрын
Lol somebody sneezes a little to boisterously in a gun store and gets shot by a sig sitting in a box in the back room
@AJadedLizard
@AJadedLizard 10 ай бұрын
SIG: Is it possible to learn this power? Tara: Not from the Swiss.
@GBGuns
@GBGuns 10 ай бұрын
I've got one of these, it's not great, on the other hand the TM-9X is a significant improvement. We loved our first one so much we picked up a second one.
@pretzelstick320
@pretzelstick320 10 ай бұрын
How much are they selling for?
@GBGuns
@GBGuns 10 ай бұрын
@@FuzedBox We liked the X so much we bought a second one. When I found the original models (a year or so ago) I bought one of them to experience the difference. The pistolw as so bad in tabletop (video not published) that I've got no interest in shooting it. It just sits in the collection for reference. The difference between the original and X is significant.
@FuzedBox
@FuzedBox 10 ай бұрын
@GBGuns I meant to edit my comment and not delete! Oops. My FFL informed me that I did indeed buy the original... for $90 more than centerfiresystems sells them for ($185). Oh well, it's not bad for a curio. Just found an X for $350 and bought it a few minutes ago. I'm really intrigues by these, and wanted both models anyway. Thanks for your feedback; I think everyone is just jumping on the hatewagon for a potentially good bargain pistol. For prospective TM-9X buyers: Be VERY thorough reading through the product information and UPC numbers, because stores and private parties are selling the originals with the X stock images.
@jamiebrown177
@jamiebrown177 10 ай бұрын
This was a very fun change of pace! Similar vibes to the ZiP .22 video. Thanks for another banger, Ian!
@5anjuro
@5anjuro 10 ай бұрын
It's very endearing to see Ian McCollum himself wear a humble Casio W-59 /F-91. I bought one in Hong Kong once for like $10 at the time and it lasted me about 15 years on the same battery. Always have one just in case. Also good to keep in your emergency kit, it doesn't weigh anything.
@boingkster
@boingkster 10 ай бұрын
Gotta love the F91's! I'm partial to the W-800H myself, basically a slightly fancier F91 that's properly waterproof.
@BrassowGaming
@BrassowGaming 10 ай бұрын
Even Bin Laden used one 😂
@InvidiousIgnoramus
@InvidiousIgnoramus 10 ай бұрын
@@boingkster also more information on screen and multiple settable alarms.
@boingkster
@boingkster 10 ай бұрын
@@InvidiousIgnoramus yup. Been wearing one for about 12 years now.
@guypierson5754
@guypierson5754 10 ай бұрын
I wore them for two decades but I do physical work, the straps would break. So I ponied up, went on Casio's website, spent $15 bucks for the same watch but in stainless steel. Best watch I've ever owned. Wear it daily, in the workshop, it's very tough and the batteries last a decade. Can't recommend it enough. Ironically for a watch, it's a timeless design :D
@christopherreed4723
@christopherreed4723 10 ай бұрын
The slide not going back into battery is something you see out of some early airsoft pistols. With the operating springs super light there wasn't enough energy in the system to overcome even minor dust, grit, or burrs from manufacturing. Or the extra weight of the cosmetic (and also super light) "suppressor" the user screwed onto the muzzle. You can actually see this happen on screen in "Tears Of The Sun" when the SEAL team is clearing the village. As one of them moves forward with his suppressed Mk.23 (almost certainly the airsoft version by Tokyo Marui) the slide stays out of battery and is visible that way just before the cut in the shot. A hearty "Good job!" to Tara for reproducing this key feature of a classic early airsoft pistol, and even improving on it. The TM Mk.23 would not go back into battery when you released the trigger, you had to push it... ...as the actress said to the bishop.
@brandonwhitesell8987
@brandonwhitesell8987 10 ай бұрын
I sold airsoft out of a paintball store so long ago, had a TM Mk.23 there for a long time, it basically became the "goof around the shop" gun. And it definitely had this issue as well. Haven't thought about that in many years. They were quite pricey too.
@christopherreed4723
@christopherreed4723 10 ай бұрын
@@brandonwhitesell8987 I know. When I was young and foolish I st up an airsoft load-outaround a TM M4A1 and...a TM Mk.23. Expensive, plasticky - because Japanese regs - huge, and all the ergonomics of an angle iron. Also veey limited in how to carry it because there's only one holster for it. Or was, because nobody even make that anymore. And it, too wouldn't go back into battery reliably with the dummy suppressor screwed on.
@pegcity4eva
@pegcity4eva 7 ай бұрын
I swear my unmarex airguns are better made than this pos
@garloch
@garloch 10 ай бұрын
The fact that tara in spanish mean defect/disability make that name for this gun even better
@Asspiss100
@Asspiss100 7 ай бұрын
Ian, every single one of your videos is archive worthy. Please dont ever stop what you do. You are the undisputed best at what you do, and i watch at least 1 video every single day. Thank you for everything
@Asspiss100
@Asspiss100 7 ай бұрын
Every firearms manufacturer/ designer should have to watch at least 24 hours of your content before even thinking about making a gun. You include the best history/lore, best technical analysis, and an overall fantastic "3rd party" perspective. You are 1st on my top 3 on KZbin accounts.... out of every account that has ever existed or will in the future. An absolute legend among gun buffs, history buffs, and youtube addicts alike. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
@Huntinggearguy
@Huntinggearguy 10 ай бұрын
The slide staying out of battery with the trigger held back will probably go away after a few hundred more rounds. But then you'll start getting feed issues because the safety plunger impacts the magazine feedlips and starts to bash em in, causing a burr. Their magazine follower also allows too much tilt which can cause feed issues. Some parts on the TM-9 are interchangeable with a Glock. I wrote an article and did a YT video outlining a bunch of details.
@AXWagon
@AXWagon 10 ай бұрын
I'm very surprised Century didn't try and sell these to Elbonia! It'd be one of the most modern AND functional guns in their arsenal.
@dgallari4370
@dgallari4370 8 ай бұрын
What the fuck is elbonia?
@The3biscuits
@The3biscuits 8 ай бұрын
​@@dgallari4370dilbert reference of all things
@VictoriaAlfredSmythe
@VictoriaAlfredSmythe 8 ай бұрын
@@dgallari4370 exactly my thought
@dzonbrodi514
@dzonbrodi514 7 ай бұрын
@@dgallari4370 It's a running joke among Ian's fans, an imaginary country whose Military Procurement minister has been paid off by an unfriendly foreign power to purchase arms and weaponry which on the surface seem like a sound rational economic investment but in fact are carefully chosen to be as useless as possible for their intended purpose. This gun is a must as a sidearm for Elbonian soldiers, I am surprised I had to scroll so far before anyone pointed that out.
@Phobos_Anomaly
@Phobos_Anomaly 7 ай бұрын
@@dzonbrodi514 It actually comes from the Dilbert comic universe, I'm guessing it was just adopted by Ian's fanbase.
@FRIEND_711
@FRIEND_711 10 ай бұрын
I was wondering what flag that was! Montenegro. Man it's always nice seeing more obscure countries with their firearms, historically I can see why Montenegro has an arsenal but still very nice to see this rare gun and it's wacky story. Thank you.
@ambivalentonion2620
@ambivalentonion2620 5 ай бұрын
i remember rebuilding a glock incorrectly and it had that same issue where the slide would not go fully forwards until you release the trigger can't remember what it was now but it was exactly like that
@revgregory
@revgregory 10 ай бұрын
I'm thinking that the trigger pull safety is hanging up on the plunger in the slide when you still have the trigger pulled, then when you release the trigger the slide can move forward but has lost the forward momentum it would have had otherwise. The plunger in the slide looks a bit square-ish, maybe rounding the edge of the plunger and the actuator in the trigger bar would reduce the friction and allow it to go back into battery better.
@mullayho1759
@mullayho1759 10 ай бұрын
I though the sqme
@morgan12x
@morgan12x 10 ай бұрын
I'm curious if the plunger catching on the trigger bar was by design. Otherwise the forward momentum combined with the plunger being depressed when the slide goes into battery would allow the striker to potentially continue forward and fire another round since it doesn't get caught by the sear. Maybe a cheap way to implement a "disconnector" with the unintended consequence of making the gun not go into battery consistently.
@DreadNought0255
@DreadNought0255 10 ай бұрын
@@morgan12x X to doubt on the striker moving forward on momentum. Considering how heavy the triggerpull is, I doubt the striker can overcome the spring by pure momentum alone. I agree with revgregory here and might add that the slide might be a bit heavy, something's up with the recoil spring or there's more friction in the system as needs to be. Maybe the rail tabs on the frame and the rails in the slide are not exactly the right size or shape. The brass isn't ejecting with nearly enough gusto to my untrained eyes. This honestly seems perfect for a "project gun" for when you want to try out those dremmel tools and pretend you're a gunsmith.
@revgregory
@revgregory 10 ай бұрын
@@morgan12x The spring on that striker design works in both directions, I would doubt that the striker inertia would be great enough to overcome the spring to actually cause it to fire when the slide closed. Haven't actually looked at one up close though.
@Ni999
@Ni999 10 ай бұрын
Easy to check by removing the striker safety. Not advocating carrying it like that or any other way, just saying for testing purposes ok.
@Bob-qk2zg
@Bob-qk2zg 10 ай бұрын
Tara, the Jennings Arms of Europe.
@kevinallies1014
@kevinallies1014 10 ай бұрын
I have owned both and at least with the TM 9X it is no comparison to the Jennings Bryco 59. The TM 9X has never malfunctioned on me. It isn’t fun to shoot for more than a few mags because of the long heavy action but other than that it is a good gun.
@scott_hunts
@scott_hunts 10 ай бұрын
Hey, at least a Jennings works if you use minimags or stingers!
@tomsokoli
@tomsokoli 10 ай бұрын
@@kevinallies1014of course you’ve owned both 😂 🙄
@jimjamauto
@jimjamauto 10 ай бұрын
But Jennings has been proven effective in thousands of homicides
@robertvitrano3757
@robertvitrano3757 10 ай бұрын
Perhaps a bit of judicious stone work on the rear edge of the tab that moves the striker. Also those (frame rails) and the front lug of the barrel that locks into the top of the slide. Just talking about breaking the edges. It might smooth things up a bit.
@crozanegovult4526
@crozanegovult4526 10 ай бұрын
From what I recall at the time, Gander Mountain was having difficulties in properly training staff in safely storing firearms (things like inspections discovering live rounds in display guns, missing serialized parts, etc.)
@Zach_D
@Zach_D 10 ай бұрын
This is the kind of quality content I check my subscriptions for.
@paulbarnes954
@paulbarnes954 10 ай бұрын
Never knew the story behind these original TM-9's. Thanks for bringing it to light.
@keffa1982
@keffa1982 10 ай бұрын
I think it would be fun to do a follow up video and go into a deep dive investigation with an armourer into what is causing the issues.
@TransistorBased
@TransistorBased 9 ай бұрын
If it's an issue with feeding, It seems like you could do a pretty serious feed ramp and chamber polish, and potentially get a stronger spring for the slide. When I first built my VZ61 It would not chamber at all, but a decent polish job has it running like a sewing machine. Could also be that this thing was developed around one particular type of ammo and it's really picky as a result
@red_ben3487
@red_ben3487 7 ай бұрын
please
@jasonparent7967
@jasonparent7967 10 ай бұрын
This the first review I’ve seen on these. Interestingly, a number made it into Canada… unsurprisingly even at $250 they never sold well, even just prior to the handgun ban, they were the last pistols on the shelves… I wonder how many are still in the gouging dealers inventory that we’re trying to sell them for $500… maybe these will someday make it back into the US market and add another chapter of perfection in the Tara story.
@DieselTjuv
@DieselTjuv 10 ай бұрын
"The gun is specifically designed to be shot badly"...I bet if you turn it 90 degrees and fire it gangster style it works flawlessly 😄 It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on what exactly in the design is causing all these malfunctions. Thanks for a fun one
@Miner-dyne
@Miner-dyne 10 ай бұрын
That would also place the brass nicely to your side... you might be on to something
@ryancollipi4836
@ryancollipi4836 10 ай бұрын
The Gander Outdoors in my area actually had a few. Told me they had been fixed, but after handling each of them I could tell they really hadn’t - even just racking the slide you could tell it wasn’t going to go into battery reliably. Glad I passed on those!
@actionjksn
@actionjksn 10 ай бұрын
Does it feel like the surfaces on the slide and frame need polished? Like does it feel rough and gritty or tight?
@ryancollipi4836
@ryancollipi4836 10 ай бұрын
@@actionjksn it was more of an issue with it hanging up in the last bit of travel. It was reasonably smooth other than that.
@therideneverends1697
@therideneverends1697 10 ай бұрын
@@actionjksn Being gritty or too tight is not the problem so much as the trigger mechanism actively dragging and interfearing with the slides travel. as much as i love a good bit of haphazard dremmeling, thats not going to cut it here
@actionjksn
@actionjksn 10 ай бұрын
@@therideneverends1697 I don't know because I don't do haphazard Dremeling. I know what to polish on a gun to make it work more smoothly, I've done it many times it's pretty obvious to me what needs it after I examine it.
@therideneverends1697
@therideneverends1697 10 ай бұрын
Sure, but this is not that, its a poorly designed trigger group@@actionjksn
@9drtr
@9drtr 10 ай бұрын
Strangely entertaining range session.
@Andy81ish
@Andy81ish 9 ай бұрын
Dare I suggest, that the reason the slide was staying back until the trigger was released was the striker block? Think about it, the slide goes nearly all the way forward but when the trigger is released there is still enough spring tension to close it, so it is not a weak spring or it would not close. The trigger pushes up on that plunger to un-block the striker, the gun fires, the slide goes back, the plunger drops down as it comes off the part of the trigger that pushes it up. As the slide comes forward the plunger, in the down position, hits the part of the trigger that pushes it up and stops, as you release the trigger the slide can go all the way forward. I thought about suggesting ramping the plunger or the part of the trigger that pushes it up, but that would turn the gun into a full auto as the slid slams shut with the striker block being pushed up and stops and then inertia carries the striker forward with the striker block disengaged? At the very least, it would not be safe. When he runs the gun faster (lets the trigger go before the slid comes forward) there is nothing to get in the way of that striker block preventing the slide going all the way forward.
@jonbeck5945
@jonbeck5945 10 ай бұрын
Or a heavier recoil spring. It’s like it won’t go into battery because either the recoil spring is too weak or the striker spring is too heavy. I’ve seen this on high round count Glocks with worn out recoil springs.
@JohnDoe-vm5rb
@JohnDoe-vm5rb 10 ай бұрын
I have a soft spot for weird/crap guns like this. I wonder how difficult it is to fix this-what the weakpoints are, what it would be to replace them, ect.
@tylerwilliams6022
@tylerwilliams6022 10 ай бұрын
If they are all like Ian's copy, it shouldn't be too difficult. The slide looks to be hanging up on the trigger bar on the return trip. A little tweaking with the trigger bar geometry and a heavier recoil spring could probably fix it right up.
@christinepearson5788
@christinepearson5788 10 ай бұрын
It seems like a bit of deburring, stronger recoil spring, and perhaps a small angle change could render it functional. One positive is it would have a second strike capacity on stubborn primers if other difficulties were resolved.
@SqueakiestChair
@SqueakiestChair 4 ай бұрын
You know you fucked up when Ian starts the video off with your company's weapon malfunctioning
@The_MickLick
@The_MickLick 10 ай бұрын
I would actually really love seeing Ian try the rounds specified for these to debunk the story
@codicusshafficus5055
@codicusshafficus5055 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if there’s something it catches on in the frame that if filed down would make it run flawlessly. Or just offer a stouter return spring to slam the slide forward so you don’t have to give it that little push. After so many rounds, the problem might correct itself. Although, I suppose that would probably result in more stovepipes. Lots of give and take in gun design I guess 😬 cool video, Ian!
@tolarpowell5069
@tolarpowell5069 10 ай бұрын
I'm thinking that hook on the trigger bar that engages the sear before finally dropping free is a bit too long. Just a thought.
@jeffrey._.westerby-murphy7268
@jeffrey._.westerby-murphy7268 10 ай бұрын
I polished the rails and most other parts that had metal on metal contact. Mine runs just fine with no problems. Yes the trigger is long but after your initial trigger pull you release slow until it resets, cutting the trigger weight and length but half....
@tolarpowell5069
@tolarpowell5069 10 ай бұрын
@@jeffrey._.westerby-murphy7268 I've read several reviews in which the owners said theirs were great. After Ian's review, they must have gotten one of those that Gander's gunsmiths fixed, or got lucky, or maybe did it themselves like you did. I was interested when Cabela's used gun department had them. They were soooo cheap. But then, Taurus decided to rebate the excellent little G2C, and after that, I got a couple of teally good deals on Canik's superb interpretation of Walther's PPQ. All work as flawlessly as any semiautomatic I've ever fired, including Herr Glock's masterpiece.
@davidclark5155
@davidclark5155 4 ай бұрын
I did the heavy return spring in mine as well as polishing the rails etc with no improvement. Still a failure at least once out of every ten shots Havent tried working with the sear yet
@hopefulpellinore5490
@hopefulpellinore5490 8 ай бұрын
I always find these kinds of stories to be very interesting. Thanks Ian!
@ES90344
@ES90344 10 ай бұрын
I got an email from a shop about these a few weeks ago and looked pretty hard into them. For the price they were asking, I thought it might be a fun piece to have in 20 years when it ends up on FW. Guess I was a few years late in guessing its FW debut.
@klinfield
@klinfield 10 ай бұрын
My TM-9 has both single-action and double action mode. After you squeeze the trigger and fire a round, no NOT let the trigger go back forward. Slowly release the trigger until it "clicks", then you are in single action mode and the trigger pull is quite nice. I believe this is detailed in the manual. So, just like a Sig P226, the first trigger pull is double action, but you can then fire the remaining rounds in single-action mode, a long as you don't fully release the trigger. This makes it fairly nice to shoot.
@dchil15
@dchil15 10 ай бұрын
That's not single action, that's just riding the trigger reset.
@klinfield
@klinfield 10 ай бұрын
Valid. Manual calls it DARE- Double Action Rapid Engagement. To me, it's like SA/DA on my P226.
@5000rgb
@5000rgb 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, Ian's didn't go back into battery until the last bit of trigger release. That's actually an interesting idea, to engage the "safety" in the form of a long trigger pull automatically. I haven't shot many DA/SA pistols so I have no idea how well that would work in practice.
@jackmcgowan5848
@jackmcgowan5848 10 ай бұрын
This video was very interesting to me, not really because of the pistol it is as generic as they come but because it doesn't work. It was fun speculating on what is causing it to malfunction and potential solutions. It seems like a heftier spring might help and my best guess as to why it holds open slightly with the trigger depressed is maybe the tab that depresses the button for the firing pin block is catching when the slide tries to go back into battery since it doesn't reset. This almost makes me want to get one just to tinker with and see if I'm right or not
@76horsepower
@76horsepower 10 ай бұрын
It seems that way to me, also. I’d love to see further investigation.
@Ioo-nd6hf
@Ioo-nd6hf 10 ай бұрын
Can confirm. I had the same jams right out of the box. Only after some serious lubrication of every disassembled inch of the parts did it start reasonably working. I don't think they even smoothed out the feed ramp. It was quite a grainy feel with poor and 'caked' metallurgy all around with non of the smooth forged texture like others. Not to mention the poor magazines and poor trigger feel and tension that made it genuinely unpleasant to shoot and a fatigued trigger finger after a couple magazines which no other pistol has ever done for me. A finger should not feel 'tired' or strained after shooting your gun so quickly but this one managed to do just that. If you get it, it's for the novelty of being from Montenegro and price. Unironically, a hi point is a better pistol.
@davidvincent5701
@davidvincent5701 10 ай бұрын
This is probably the most interesting story for a some what functional collectable. It'll be worth over a thousand in about a century.
@akaaccount
@akaaccount 10 ай бұрын
With inflation that will be a decrease in value
@Pheonixco
@Pheonixco 10 ай бұрын
This video alone is probably going to bump up the price. The story makes for a good conversation piece.
@TheHelghast4life
@TheHelghast4life 10 ай бұрын
Recoil spring seems like it isn't really acting on the slide when it goes into that final distance into battery. Normally you want a little bit of tension when you install it so you are using as much of the spring force as you can. With how easy it was for you to remove it, I have a feeling it has little tension when it is fully in battery. Either that, or it is combined with the firing pin safety block and tab on the trigger linkage and getting caught up during cycling.
@propdoctor21564
@propdoctor21564 10 ай бұрын
That is most likely the problem
@garrettkajmowicz
@garrettkajmowicz 10 ай бұрын
Someone has finally managed to make something which makes the Hi-Point look like a good choice.
@robertkalinic335
@robertkalinic335 9 ай бұрын
Hi point is very good pistol for what it is meant to do, your joke just sounds like "i hate poor people.
@ballbby3775
@ballbby3775 9 ай бұрын
At least the high point I had worked perfectly fine, never had a problem.
@alphawolf566
@alphawolf566 7 ай бұрын
other than being ugly high points are as functional as a pistol should be
@rubenskiii
@rubenskiii 10 ай бұрын
I have a cheap CZ-75 Airsoft replica from Taiwan and i was surprised with how similar it looks, in finish and material choices. Also my Airsoft replica at one point had this exact same failure(slide not closing properly), I didn’t bother with fixing it properly and just put a rubber band arround it, at a slight angle so the barrel was free. The slide had enough clearance and it actually worked. Later on i sat down and fixed it properly but part of my has a sinking feeling putting a rubber band on the Tara might actually work…🤣
@Getoffmycloud53
@Getoffmycloud53 10 ай бұрын
Ian, this gun simply HAS to go to Mark Novak as a project to fix - to see if it is possible to solve the problem of this design / manufacturing, like Brandon Herrera fixed your Krinkov from Hell!! ❤
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 10 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Mark's fix will just be to throw it in that pond he's got out back...
@8.6GivenAdqVacSysm
@8.6GivenAdqVacSysm 10 ай бұрын
You buy the pistol for $150-200, then send it to your local master armorer, and for $1500-2000, they will get it running at 98%+ with a smooth, if weird staging 15lbs trigger. And then tape a coffee can on your forehead and you can collect all the brass. Sounds like a deal to me 🤣🤣
@_Wiseguy7
@_Wiseguy7 10 ай бұрын
It seems to my non gunsmith, kind of engineering eye that the trigger linkage was jamming everything up. If they split the trigger linkage and the striker safety tab, using a separate pivonting arm to actuate the safety, the problem would go away. Take that with a pinch of salt since I'm not a gunsmith.
@g0ddamnitjeremy
@g0ddamnitjeremy 10 ай бұрын
At first glance you think "oh polymer frame striker fire handgun" but then you hear the story behind it. Definitely a conversation piece.
@robertkerr4199
@robertkerr4199 10 ай бұрын
Hi-Points new ad line; "At least we're not Tara!"
@pyroMaximilian
@pyroMaximilian 10 ай бұрын
All it needs is a pair of foward assist plungers, one on each side, to keep it ambidextrous!
@tstststs
@tstststs 10 ай бұрын
19:40 interesting ejection pattern there (or lack thereof). In fact it looks like towards the end of each magazine the ejection gets weaker and weaker
@GA-br8wj
@GA-br8wj 10 ай бұрын
TARA meaning fault in Spanish, among other things. Literally faulty perfection, weird.
@Kevin80237
@Kevin80237 10 ай бұрын
Tara is also a river in Serbia (it neighbors Montenegro)
@palmabolp
@palmabolp 10 ай бұрын
​@@Kevin80237Tara is also river that is in Montenegro, most likely from where it got its name
@Kevin80237
@Kevin80237 10 ай бұрын
@@palmabolp yup
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 10 ай бұрын
...Years ago I had aGerman Shepherd named Tara.....she appears to have been far mor dangerous than this pistol could ever be! ..
@Kladyos
@Kladyos 10 ай бұрын
The Hill of Tara (star) is an ancient ceremonial and burial site near Skryne in County Meath, Ireland. It was used for inaugurations of the High Kings of Ireland and also appears in Irish mythology (concerning Lub and Medb in particular)
@propdoctor21564
@propdoctor21564 10 ай бұрын
Another excellent video as always. You make everything informative and entertaining at the same time... I often enjoy buying cheap guns just for the sake of making them work if they don't already... This has an interesting problem especially because it is double action only you wouldn't think there would be any problem with it going back in the battery and I suspect the firing pin block plunger may be hanging up on the trigger bar which would explain why it releases when you release the trigger.. maybe a little polishing on the trigger bar and the plunger would take care of it... Or maybe could use a stiffer recoil spring
@buckcanuck207
@buckcanuck207 9 ай бұрын
Well, I'm one of the Canadians that bought the first gen TM9 and my SN is on the list....lol. It was my first handgun after getting my license and wanted a budget 9mm for the range. I probably only ran 500-600 rounds through it, never had the stuck slide issue but feeding issues big time, especially on the last round. Best part is our current handgun ban now means this thing is essentially a paper weight :) gotta love it.
@dinsdalemontypiranha4349
@dinsdalemontypiranha4349 10 ай бұрын
Another tale of woe and intrigue in the gun business. These are my favorite videos of yours Ian! Thanks for another one, the backstory kept me smiling, but I quit smiling when I watched you shooting it.
@Contender-wk2kh
@Contender-wk2kh 10 ай бұрын
I got one out of curiosity from centerfire(7/23) thinking the story was hilarious. I have had the opposite experience. I did lube it up generously before firing. I have had only 1 failure to extract on a subsonic round(this ammo hates many guns) out of the 150 fired. Hollowpoints even went nice. I was also intrigued by the unique double action trigger. The shop I work for has the TM9X that is only slightly cosmetically different. I know it isn't alot of range time but I'm happy for the money.
@rong1924
@rong1924 10 ай бұрын
“They should all be thrown in a bucket or something” is a direct quote from the manufacturer.
@brandonmcmanis5528
@brandonmcmanis5528 7 ай бұрын
I think it's like a highpoint in the way that you'd keep it in a tool box or bathroom where you normally wouldn't think of keeping a gun and don't mind forgetting about it. At least with highpoint you actually get great customer service.
@TiocfaidhArLa34
@TiocfaidhArLa34 5 ай бұрын
sounds like a great way of getting it stolen and used against you. just saying.
@jonjacobjingleheimerschmid3798
@jonjacobjingleheimerschmid3798 5 ай бұрын
Looks like just your run of the mill Glock........
@brandonmcmanis5528
@brandonmcmanis5528 5 ай бұрын
Nah it's fine.
@rednecktek2873
@rednecktek2873 10 ай бұрын
Obviously they spent all the budget on the fancy feature. Ya know, the captive recoil spring. Trying to out cheap Hi-Point is a real challenge ya know. 😁
@richardbell7678
@richardbell7678 10 ай бұрын
My guess, based on what you said and what we see, is that the slide is not supposed to snag on the trigger linkage and the reason it works better during rapid fire is that, to get the next shot off, you are 'resetting' your trigger finger fast enough that the slide is not hanging up on the linkage. If the slide is leaving a witness mark on the trigger linkage, you can see if it is feasible to file down the linkage to get the slide moving freely.
@grexpex1807
@grexpex1807 10 ай бұрын
honestly doesn't seem like a horribe deal if you don't plan to use your pistol for self defense
@Thomastank2023
@Thomastank2023 6 ай бұрын
13:30 that trigger pull gave me some strong feelings of dread.
@stealth1996
@stealth1996 10 ай бұрын
The locking style looks M&P, the rest looks Glock Gen3 as does the Slide. I had these same issues with P80 builds. There is some work to be done on the disconnector and striker safety. Polishing these areas will likely get it running 99%.
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